I am not a fandroid (I have iPhone-4) and not a troll, but I think 200k on a first half-day is not something to be excited with. Google reports 550k android activation each freaking day.
And after initial enthusiasm dries out, the sales may very well fall like a rock.
You may not be a fandroid and you may not be a troll, I don't know you of course, but you sure are a Debbie Downer, which I also happened to mention.
This iPhone will end up being the biggest selling iPhone ever. It's available in more places to more people and they won't be able to make them quick enough to fill the initial demand for quite a while.
Using all of your vast wisdom, you are basically predicting that the iPhone will flop, because that's what falls like a rock means. Some people never learn anything. People said the same thing about the original iPhone, the iPad etc. and each and every time these people end up looking like complete fucking morons, because they are proven to be dead wrong every time. Betting against Apple isn't a very wise move, statistically speaking. The odds are very much against the people who do so.
Using all of your vast wisdom, you are basically predicting that the iPhone will flop, because that's what falls like a rock means. Some people never learn anything. People said the same thing about the original iPhone, the iPad etc. and each and every time these people end up looking like complete fucking morons, because they are proven to be dead wrong every time. Betting against Apple isn't a very wise move, statistically speaking. The odds are very much against the people who do so.
Reminds me of Pogue's article on Jobs.
That?s just not how things are done.
Often, his laser focus flew in the face of screamingly obvious common sense. He wanted to open a chain of retail stores ? after the failure of Gateway?s chain had clearly demonstrated that the concept was doomed.
He wanted to sell a smartphone that had no keyboard, when physical keys were precisely what had made the BlackBerry the most popular smartphone at the time.
Over and over again, he took away our comfy blankets. He took away our floppy drives, our dial-up modems, our camcorder jacks, our non-glossy screens, our Flash, our DVD drives, our removable laptop batteries.
Good read but Stephen Fry has the most comprehensive and, IMO, best article on Jobs.
I guess Nexus Prime is going to put it on test. Single phone, single carrier.
It doesn't have to be single carrier to be accurately compared, it just has to be the same single carrier. I think it's likely Verizon will post iPhone sales numbers.
I'm sure the Nexus Prime will sell well for an Android-based device, but it's not possible for it to outsell the iPhone. It simply has no pedigree or mindshare that gives it an 'X' factor.
edit: Here is an article with Verizon claiming the nearly year old iPhone 4 sales broke all previous sales records.
People said the same thing about the original iPhone, the iPad etc. and each and every time these people end up looking like complete fucking morons, because they are proven to be dead wrong every time. Betting against Apple isn't a very wise move, statistically speaking. The odds are very much against these people.
You are not taking into account one simple point. Every previous release Apple did not have even a trace of competition. Every product was indisputably superior to anything existing on the market. And now for the first time Apple is playing catch up and not even able to match in some aspects. And Apple is going to drag for another year while competitors will have LTE, 4.5" 720p screens, NFC within a month. I am so pissed off.
You are not taking into account one simple point. Every previous release Apple did not have even a trace of competition. Every product was indisputably superior to anything existing on the market. And now for the first time Apple is playing catch up and not even able to match in some aspects. And Apple is going to drag for another year while competitors will have LTE, 4.5" 720p screens, NFC within a month. I am so pissed off.
Every iPhone release has been met with people like you saying exactly the same thing: the current iPhone doesn't stand a chance against all these clearly superior devices. It's only retrospect that you are and others now say the victor was indeed the better device? and you'll say the same thing next year with the 6th generation iPhone arrives.
Not true. I bought iPhone 4 last summer because believed it was truly revolutional.
Surely you jest. You just stated the revolutionary features that will trash the iPhone 4S are competitors with LTE and 4.5" 720p display, both of which existed last Summer. You honestly think people will be ditching the iPhone because of NFC at this point?
PS: Let's me just calrify your position here. You think that 200k orders in 12 hours on one carrier for one model of phone is not very good?
Surely you jest. You just stated the revolutionary features that will trash the iPhone 4S are competitors with LTE and 4.5" 720p display, both of which existed last Summer. You honestly think people will be ditching the iPhone because of NFC at this point?
Sorry for confusion, it was summer 2010. I do not think this kind of screens existed back then.
Sorry for confusion, it was summer 2010. I do not think this kind of screens existed back then.
Ah, I was thinking you meant 720p video out. No the displays were behind the iPhone then and the Nexus Prime still has less ppi than the iPhone 4 so why do you think it will outsell the iPhone 4S. If you say because it's a bigger screen, well those existed last year so that can't be it.
Note the iPhone 3G and 3GS displays were average and below average in ppi for their time yet they still managed to outsell the competition while being on only one carrier in the US so that can't be it either.
No the displays were behind the iPhone then and the Nexus Prime still has less ppi than the iPhone 4 so why do you think it will outsell the iPhone 4S. If you say because it's a bigger screen, well those existed last year so that can't be it.
It has practically the same ppi (320 vs 326) with perhaps 50% more viewing area which is going to give absolute killing browsing and video experience.
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Note the iPhone 3G and 3GS displays were average and below average in ppi for their time yet they still managed to outsell the competition while being on only one carrier in the US so that can't be it either.
Maybe I am wrong, but early iPhone screens were still larger than anything else. Needless to say about capacitive multi-touch and fluid UI.
It has practically the same ppi (320 vs 326) with perhaps 50% more viewing area which is going to give absolute killing browsing and video experience.
A 4.65" inch display. You really think that mammoth is going to outsell the iPhone?
If bigger is truly better than why did the Dell Streak flop. It has a 5" display and capable of making '3G' phone calls. They called it a tablet but what do you expect, it's not that would fit in a pocket. The Nexus Prime seems like a hard sell for the average person.
Be careful what you wish for...
Now add nearly a half inch more on the diagonal for the Nexus Prime.
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Maybe I am wrong, but early iPhone screens were still larger than anything else. Needless to say about capacitive multi-touch and fluid UI.
First Motorola Droid had a 3.7" 854 x 480 display. That's 265 ppi. That's no slouch in the resolution and yet it took over 2 months to sell 1 million units and likely less than a day for Apple to sell the iPhone 4S. It also had a slide out a keyboard. Remember those? The iPhone was doomed to fail because it didn't have a physical keyboard.
You are not taking into account one simple point. Every previous release Apple did not have even a trace of competition. Every product was indisputably superior to anything existing on the market. And now for the first time Apple is playing catch up and not even able to match in some aspects. And Apple is going to drag for another year while competitors will have LTE, 4.5" 720p screens, NFC within a month. I am so pissed off.
Apple isn't playing catch up. Apple is trying to differentiate itself from the rest. While every other manufacturer is in a race to out-spec their competitors, Apple is using software to stand apart(iOS 5, iCloud, AirPlay, Siri, etc).
Do you not honestly believe Apple could slap a 4" screen, a NFC chip, or a quad core processor in their units? For Gods sake, they have the deepest pockets in the industry. What is it, $70 billion in cash now? I'm glad Apple hasn't joined the "me too" race.
You can't win a specs race. Because the minute your device ships to consumers, it's already obsolete. But I guess when software innovation is an afterthought for your company, you're left with little choice.
I happen to love the marriage between software and hardware, the attention to detail, the beauty of simplicity, the idea that everything just works. I love the ecosystem and the integration between my Macs and iOS devices. When I look around, I don't see this exhibited anyplace else. I don't hear about real world use in their commercials. Or about how I can communicate with a deaf family member through video chat. All I see are robots and explosions and a bunch of irrelevant specs.
Apple isn't playing catch up. Apple is trying to differentiate itself from the rest. While every other manufacturer is in a race to out-spec their competitors, Apple is using software to stand apart(iOS 5, iCloud, AirPlay, Siri, etc).
Do you not honestly believe Apple could slap a 4" screen, a NFC chip, or a quad core processor in their units? For Gods sake, they have the deepest pockets in the industry. What is it, $70 billion in cash now? I'm glad Apple hasn't joined the "me too" race.
You can't win a specs race. Because the minute your device ships to consumers, it's already obsolete. But I guess when software innovation is an afterthought for your company, you're left with little choice.
I happen to love the marriage between software and hardware, the attention to detail, the beauty of simplicity, the idea that everything just works. I love the ecosystem and the integration between my Macs and iOS devices. When I look around, I don't see this exhibited anyplace else. I don't hear about real world use in their commercials. Or about how I can communicate with a deaf family member through video chat. All I see are robots and explosions and a bunch of irrelevant specs.
I guess Nexus Prime is going to put it on test. Single phone, single carrier.
That's the amazing thing about Android. The NEXT phone is always going to kill the iPhone. After it comes out and fails to do so, there's always a NEXT phone to claim will be the iPhone killer.
Sort of like Windows. The NEXT version will be better than Mac OS. That's been the mantra for over 20 years now.
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You are not taking into account one simple point. Every previous release Apple did not have even a trace of competition. Every product was indisputably superior to anything existing on the market. And now for the first time Apple is playing catch up and not even able to match in some aspects. And Apple is going to drag for another year while competitors will have LTE, 4.5" 720p screens, NFC within a month. I am so pissed off.
And here we see the Android hypocrisy at its best.
At the same time that they're claiming that Android is better and has more features and more variety and Android is outselling iPhone, they can claim (with a straight face, apparently!) that Apple hasn't had any competition and that's the only reason it has done so well. I think it's really hilarious that it's the same poster who's claiming below that Apple's sales figures aren't so hot because Android is outselling them by a large margin.
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It has practically the same ppi (320 vs 326) with perhaps 50% more viewing area which is going to give absolute killing browsing and video experience.
And killing battery life at the same time.
I really doubt that very many people want a nearly 5" screen in their pocket. Not to mention that Android has still never approached the usability of the iPhone. And that's before even going into malware and fragmentation problems.
I'm sure the Prime will sell OK. It's not going to be an iPhone killer.
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I am not a fandroid (I have iPhone-4) and not a troll, but I think 200k on a first half-day is not something to be excited with. Google reports 550k android activation each freaking day.
And after initial enthusiasm dries out, the sales may very well fall like a rock.
Uh huh. That's what people said about the first iPhone ("Only Apple fanatics will buy it and after they have iPhones, no one else will want one"). They said the same thing about the second iPhone. And the third. And the 4th. And the iPad. And iPad 2.
BTW, you really need to learn to differentiate between 'sales' and 'activations'. Google adamantly refuses to explain how their activations figure is derived. It is clear, for example, that when a used Android phone is activated on a network that it is a new activation. There are a lot of other scenarios where activations != sales.
Not to mention, of course, that you're comparing 100 different devices from a dozen manufacturers to a single device from one manufacturer. That's like saying "all cars manufactured by Ford outsold the Toyota Camry". It's a true statement, but not very meaningful.
Note that 200,000 is not Apple's sales figures. That's the first day sales figures from AT&T alone. It doesn't include all of Apple's other channel partners. It also doesn't include any iPhone 4 or iPhone 3GS units sold.
Not to mention, of course, that you're comparing 100 different devices from a dozen manufacturers to a single device from one manufacturer. That's like saying "all cars manufactured by Ford outsold the Toyota Camry". It's a true statement, but not very meaningful.
It's more like "all cars made by Ford, GM, Chrysler, etc, etc outsold the Toyota Camry"....
http://www.google.com/phone/#manufac...eset_filters=1 is apparently a list of all current Android handsets... I'd be surprised if many of them even come close to outselling the (now over 2 year old) iPhone 3GS let alone the 4 or 4S.
Yeah. And it's amazing how well the 3GS is still selling. I mean, heck, I love mine. Granted, I'm looking forward to the 4S, but still.
The iPhone is by far the best selling smart phone, as I understand it. Sure, if you sell 10 models at different price points, you might beat it. But, while I see people with HTC or Samsung phones, when I go out I see the iPhone most often. *shrug*
But, while I see people with HTC or Samsung phones, when I go out I see the iPhone most often. *shrug*
This is the biggest mystery of them all. Google is claiming 550k activations per day, and while they aren't forward about how many unique devices those are for Android fanatics assume they are all unique. So where are these devices being used? I see very few Android-based devices compared to the number of iPhones or even Blackberries.
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I am not a fandroid (I have iPhone-4) and not a troll, but I think 200k on a first half-day is not something to be excited with. Google reports 550k android activation each freaking day.
And after initial enthusiasm dries out, the sales may very well fall like a rock.
You may not be a fandroid and you may not be a troll, I don't know you of course, but you sure are a Debbie Downer, which I also happened to mention.
This iPhone will end up being the biggest selling iPhone ever. It's available in more places to more people and they won't be able to make them quick enough to fill the initial demand for quite a while.
Using all of your vast wisdom, you are basically predicting that the iPhone will flop, because that's what falls like a rock means. Some people never learn anything. People said the same thing about the original iPhone, the iPad etc. and each and every time these people end up looking like complete fucking morons, because they are proven to be dead wrong every time. Betting against Apple isn't a very wise move, statistically speaking. The odds are very much against the people who do so.
Using all of your vast wisdom, you are basically predicting that the iPhone will flop, because that's what falls like a rock means. Some people never learn anything. People said the same thing about the original iPhone, the iPad etc. and each and every time these people end up looking like complete fucking morons, because they are proven to be dead wrong every time. Betting against Apple isn't a very wise move, statistically speaking. The odds are very much against the people who do so.
Reminds me of Pogue's article on Jobs.Good read but Stephen Fry has the most comprehensive and, IMO, best article on Jobs.PS: Ooh.. new QI to watch tonight.
I guess Nexus Prime is going to put it on test. Single phone, single carrier.
It doesn't have to be single carrier to be accurately compared, it just has to be the same single carrier. I think it's likely Verizon will post iPhone sales numbers.
I'm sure the Nexus Prime will sell well for an Android-based device, but it's not possible for it to outsell the iPhone. It simply has no pedigree or mindshare that gives it an 'X' factor.
edit: Here is an article with Verizon claiming the nearly year old iPhone 4 sales broke all previous sales records.Good luck.
People said the same thing about the original iPhone, the iPad etc. and each and every time these people end up looking like complete fucking morons, because they are proven to be dead wrong every time. Betting against Apple isn't a very wise move, statistically speaking. The odds are very much against these people.
You are not taking into account one simple point. Every previous release Apple did not have even a trace of competition. Every product was indisputably superior to anything existing on the market. And now for the first time Apple is playing catch up and not even able to match in some aspects. And Apple is going to drag for another year while competitors will have LTE, 4.5" 720p screens, NFC within a month. I am so pissed off.
You are not taking into account one simple point. Every previous release Apple did not have even a trace of competition. Every product was indisputably superior to anything existing on the market. And now for the first time Apple is playing catch up and not even able to match in some aspects. And Apple is going to drag for another year while competitors will have LTE, 4.5" 720p screens, NFC within a month. I am so pissed off.
Every iPhone release has been met with people like you saying exactly the same thing: the current iPhone doesn't stand a chance against all these clearly superior devices. It's only retrospect that you are and others now say the victor was indeed the better device? and you'll say the same thing next year with the 6th generation iPhone arrives.
and you'll say the same thing next year with the 6th generation iPhone arrives.
Not true. I bought iPhone 4 last summer because believed it was truly revolutional.
Not true. I bought iPhone 4 last summer because believed it was truly revolutional.
Surely you jest. You just stated the revolutionary features that will trash the iPhone 4S are competitors with LTE and 4.5" 720p display, both of which existed last Summer. You honestly think people will be ditching the iPhone because of NFC at this point?
PS: Let's me just calrify your position here. You think that 200k orders in 12 hours on one carrier for one model of phone is not very good?
Surely you jest. You just stated the revolutionary features that will trash the iPhone 4S are competitors with LTE and 4.5" 720p display, both of which existed last Summer. You honestly think people will be ditching the iPhone because of NFC at this point?
Sorry for confusion, it was summer 2010. I do not think this kind of screens existed back then.
Sorry for confusion, it was summer 2010. I do not think this kind of screens existed back then.
Ah, I was thinking you meant 720p video out. No the displays were behind the iPhone then and the Nexus Prime still has less ppi than the iPhone 4 so why do you think it will outsell the iPhone 4S. If you say because it's a bigger screen, well those existed last year so that can't be it.
Note the iPhone 3G and 3GS displays were average and below average in ppi for their time yet they still managed to outsell the competition while being on only one carrier in the US so that can't be it either.
No the displays were behind the iPhone then and the Nexus Prime still has less ppi than the iPhone 4 so why do you think it will outsell the iPhone 4S. If you say because it's a bigger screen, well those existed last year so that can't be it.
It has practically the same ppi (320 vs 326) with perhaps 50% more viewing area which is going to give absolute killing browsing and video experience.
Note the iPhone 3G and 3GS displays were average and below average in ppi for their time yet they still managed to outsell the competition while being on only one carrier in the US so that can't be it either.
Maybe I am wrong, but early iPhone screens were still larger than anything else. Needless to say about capacitive multi-touch and fluid UI.
It has practically the same ppi (320 vs 326) with perhaps 50% more viewing area which is going to give absolute killing browsing and video experience.
A 4.65" inch display. You really think that mammoth is going to outsell the iPhone?
If bigger is truly better than why did the Dell Streak flop. It has a 5" display and capable of making '3G' phone calls. They called it a tablet but what do you expect, it's not that would fit in a pocket. The Nexus Prime seems like a hard sell for the average person.
Be careful what you wish for...Now add nearly a half inch more on the diagonal for the Nexus Prime.
Maybe I am wrong, but early iPhone screens were still larger than anything else. Needless to say about capacitive multi-touch and fluid UI.
First Motorola Droid had a 3.7" 854 x 480 display. That's 265 ppi. That's no slouch in the resolution and yet it took over 2 months to sell 1 million units and likely less than a day for Apple to sell the iPhone 4S. It also had a slide out a keyboard. Remember those? The iPhone was doomed to fail because it didn't have a physical keyboard.
Gotta love AI!
But they fixed it after you posted, which may be a first for them.
They fixed it on the main AI page but not on this forum page.
You are not taking into account one simple point. Every previous release Apple did not have even a trace of competition. Every product was indisputably superior to anything existing on the market. And now for the first time Apple is playing catch up and not even able to match in some aspects. And Apple is going to drag for another year while competitors will have LTE, 4.5" 720p screens, NFC within a month. I am so pissed off.
Apple isn't playing catch up. Apple is trying to differentiate itself from the rest. While every other manufacturer is in a race to out-spec their competitors, Apple is using software to stand apart(iOS 5, iCloud, AirPlay, Siri, etc).
Do you not honestly believe Apple could slap a 4" screen, a NFC chip, or a quad core processor in their units? For Gods sake, they have the deepest pockets in the industry. What is it, $70 billion in cash now? I'm glad Apple hasn't joined the "me too" race.
You can't win a specs race. Because the minute your device ships to consumers, it's already obsolete. But I guess when software innovation is an afterthought for your company, you're left with little choice.
I happen to love the marriage between software and hardware, the attention to detail, the beauty of simplicity, the idea that everything just works. I love the ecosystem and the integration between my Macs and iOS devices. When I look around, I don't see this exhibited anyplace else. I don't hear about real world use in their commercials. Or about how I can communicate with a deaf family member through video chat. All I see are robots and explosions and a bunch of irrelevant specs.
True, I didn't notice the twenty
Apple isn't playing catch up. Apple is trying to differentiate itself from the rest. While every other manufacturer is in a race to out-spec their competitors, Apple is using software to stand apart(iOS 5, iCloud, AirPlay, Siri, etc).
Do you not honestly believe Apple could slap a 4" screen, a NFC chip, or a quad core processor in their units? For Gods sake, they have the deepest pockets in the industry. What is it, $70 billion in cash now? I'm glad Apple hasn't joined the "me too" race.
You can't win a specs race. Because the minute your device ships to consumers, it's already obsolete. But I guess when software innovation is an afterthought for your company, you're left with little choice.
I happen to love the marriage between software and hardware, the attention to detail, the beauty of simplicity, the idea that everything just works. I love the ecosystem and the integration between my Macs and iOS devices. When I look around, I don't see this exhibited anyplace else. I don't hear about real world use in their commercials. Or about how I can communicate with a deaf family member through video chat. All I see are robots and explosions and a bunch of irrelevant specs.
Very well said.
I guess Nexus Prime is going to put it on test. Single phone, single carrier.
That's the amazing thing about Android. The NEXT phone is always going to kill the iPhone. After it comes out and fails to do so, there's always a NEXT phone to claim will be the iPhone killer.
Sort of like Windows. The NEXT version will be better than Mac OS. That's been the mantra for over 20 years now.
You are not taking into account one simple point. Every previous release Apple did not have even a trace of competition. Every product was indisputably superior to anything existing on the market. And now for the first time Apple is playing catch up and not even able to match in some aspects. And Apple is going to drag for another year while competitors will have LTE, 4.5" 720p screens, NFC within a month. I am so pissed off.
And here we see the Android hypocrisy at its best.
At the same time that they're claiming that Android is better and has more features and more variety and Android is outselling iPhone, they can claim (with a straight face, apparently!) that Apple hasn't had any competition and that's the only reason it has done so well. I think it's really hilarious that it's the same poster who's claiming below that Apple's sales figures aren't so hot because Android is outselling them by a large margin.
It has practically the same ppi (320 vs 326) with perhaps 50% more viewing area which is going to give absolute killing browsing and video experience.
And killing battery life at the same time.
I really doubt that very many people want a nearly 5" screen in their pocket. Not to mention that Android has still never approached the usability of the iPhone. And that's before even going into malware and fragmentation problems.
I'm sure the Prime will sell OK. It's not going to be an iPhone killer.
I am not a fandroid (I have iPhone-4) and not a troll, but I think 200k on a first half-day is not something to be excited with. Google reports 550k android activation each freaking day.
And after initial enthusiasm dries out, the sales may very well fall like a rock.
Uh huh. That's what people said about the first iPhone ("Only Apple fanatics will buy it and after they have iPhones, no one else will want one"). They said the same thing about the second iPhone. And the third. And the 4th. And the iPad. And iPad 2.
BTW, you really need to learn to differentiate between 'sales' and 'activations'. Google adamantly refuses to explain how their activations figure is derived. It is clear, for example, that when a used Android phone is activated on a network that it is a new activation. There are a lot of other scenarios where activations != sales.
Not to mention, of course, that you're comparing 100 different devices from a dozen manufacturers to a single device from one manufacturer. That's like saying "all cars manufactured by Ford outsold the Toyota Camry". It's a true statement, but not very meaningful.
Note that 200,000 is not Apple's sales figures. That's the first day sales figures from AT&T alone. It doesn't include all of Apple's other channel partners. It also doesn't include any iPhone 4 or iPhone 3GS units sold.
Not to mention, of course, that you're comparing 100 different devices from a dozen manufacturers to a single device from one manufacturer. That's like saying "all cars manufactured by Ford outsold the Toyota Camry". It's a true statement, but not very meaningful.
It's more like "all cars made by Ford, GM, Chrysler, etc, etc outsold the Toyota Camry"....
http://www.google.com/phone/#manufac...eset_filters=1 is apparently a list of all current Android handsets... I'd be surprised if many of them even come close to outselling the (now over 2 year old) iPhone 3GS let alone the 4 or 4S.
The iPhone is by far the best selling smart phone, as I understand it. Sure, if you sell 10 models at different price points, you might beat it. But, while I see people with HTC or Samsung phones, when I go out I see the iPhone most often. *shrug*
But, while I see people with HTC or Samsung phones, when I go out I see the iPhone most often. *shrug*
This is the biggest mystery of them all. Google is claiming 550k activations per day, and while they aren't forward about how many unique devices those are for Android fanatics assume they are all unique. So where are these devices being used? I see very few Android-based devices compared to the number of iPhones or even Blackberries.