Not true. I've had my iPhone 4 for 15 months and am eligible for a subsidized upgrade from AT&T. The amount of time before you can get an upgrade depends on how much you spend each month.
Correct. Not sure why people keep suggesting iPhone 4 users aren't qualified for a subsidized upgrade. I got the iPhone 4 day one and have been eligible for an upgrade since June (AT&T). Pre-ordered my iPhone 4S day one again no problem with the subsidized price ($299 32GB). Again, just because you're still under contract does not mean EVERY person is not eligible. The amount you pay monthly will determine your eligibility.
Correct. Not sure why people keep suggesting iPhone 4 users aren't qualified for a subsidized upgrade. I got the iPhone 4 day one and have been eligible for an upgrade since June (AT&T). Pre-ordered my iPhone 4S day one again no problem with the subsidized price ($299 32GB). Again, just because you're still under contract does not mean EVERY person is not eligible. The amount you pay monthly will determine your eligibility.
Another thing that determines eligibility (with AT&T at least) is primary/secondary line status. The primary line usually becomes eligible for an upgrade before the other lines on the account. My wife is listed as our primary, and she became eligible about 16 months after our last upgrade. I'm considered the secondary line, so my line was eligible 3 months after hers.
Apple is now showing one of our phones shipped, but with a big 'exception' on the UPS tracking list, saying the service is not available to our address. Is anyone else seeing this?
Edit: Nevermind about the exception. It looks like both of my phones had the same hangup between Shenzhen and Hong Kong during shipment.
Jesus, it didn't take long for you to all get over your earth-shattering grief and start salivating over your next purchase, did it?
Nice.
And nicer still that you're all prepared to buy the same phone twice. Again.
Cue blah blah about graphics x7 etc. yes, yes, I've heard it. It's bollocks. It's the same blower, rehashed. With a voice assistant to make you look like even more of a self-obsessed tit while you talk to it in public.
Cue blah blah about graphics x7 etc. yes, yes, I've heard it. It's bollocks. It's the same blower, rehashed. With a voice assistant to make you look like even more of a self-obsessed tit while you talk to it in public.
Magical indeed.
Am I the only one that thinks that British slang sounds idiotic?
The depths of this subject that you guys are plumbing is impressive. You are correct in the specific sense that argumentum ad hominem refers to an attack on the person that is not relevant to the argument, and calling into question someone's pertinent qualifications is not, in itself, a logical fallacy. However, dismissing an argument based on a lack of qualifications is precisely the argumentum ad hominem logical fallacy.
But, pragmatically, it's also the right thing to do when dealing with trolls, shills, and their ilk. If you know someone is deliberately being dishonest, or intentionally attempting to provoke, the best course is to simply call them out on it. Sometimes, argument is a fool's game.
But, pragmatically, it's also the right thing to do when dealing with trolls, shills, and their ilk. If you know someone is deliberately being dishonest, or intentionally attempting to provoke, the best course is to simply call them out on it. Sometimes, argument is a fool's game.
Yes, but keep it for the actual trolls, rather than people who might be disappointed with something Apple does. Scaramanga89 is an obvious troll.
Dude, you're the one casting baseless innuendos, so you're the one that needs to back up what you say. The Glenn Beck style of argument won't cut it here.
Would you guys seriously stop acting like you're such educated debates? Seriously, the pretentiousness here is outstanding.
What's that got to do with anything (and, no, I'm not angry). You claimed that iPhone 4 cases might not work on the iPhone 4S. Yet all the evidence (see above) says that they will.
So where's the evidence to support your claim that iPhone 4 cases might not work? Alternatively, feel free to withdraw your FUD.
First, you just said it that's nonsense. I simply said I'm not sure if will be compatible because of hte slight differences in hardware (it DOES have two antennas you know) and the fact that it has a different camera lens. We haven't had a lot info. I belive the iPhone 4S has a (1/3.2") sensor while the original iPhone 4 has a 1/4. Again, not sure if that would make a difference or not.
Again, what TRUE evidence do you have? Do you have the iPhone 4S in your possesion? Thing's are different on paper than in your hands. No need to get all worked up for something as simple as a case.
Dude, you're the one casting baseless innuendos, so you're the one that needs to back up what you say. The Glenn Beck style of argument won't cut it here.
I wasn't even talking to you, so what does that have to do with anything? Also, it's not "Glenn Beck's style of argument" as you have no basis for that? Is it defined in the dictioinary? Is a "Glenn Beck" argument a fallacy? Well, then don't bring that to the table.
Cue blah blah about graphics x7 etc. yes, yes, I've heard it. It's bollocks. It's the same blower, rehashed. With a voice assistant ...
Magical indeed.
So... if it had the SAME internals as the 4, but with a different external case (or perhaps a bigger screen) then it would be better?... and you'd consider that an "upgrade"?
But since the improvements are all internal, then it just doesn't count?
(Now who's the self-obsessed tit?... well... obsessed with how others see him, anyhow )
First, you just said it that's nonsense. I simply said I'm not sure if will be compatible because of hte slight differences in hardware (it DOES have two antennas you know) and the fact that it has a different camera lens. We haven't had a lot info. I belive the iPhone 4S has a (1/3.2") sensor while the original iPhone 4 has a 1/4. Again, not sure if that would make a difference or not.
Again, what TRUE evidence do you have? Do you have the iPhone 4S in your possesion? Thing's are different on paper than in your hands. No need to get all worked up for something as simple as a case.
Amazing. You're CONTINUING to imply that iPhone 4 cases won't work with the 4S?
Apple says that their bumpers work with both.
The physical dimensions are identical.
Someone reported superimposing pictures - and not seeing any discernible difference.
That sounds pretty conclusive. You're going to need more than "but there COULD be a problem" to justify your argument.
Until I see the cases on the phones, that's not enough evidence. There is a high likelyhood. But I'm not holding my breath.
By the same logic, until I actually get my hands on one, I won't believe that the iPhone isn't made of green cheese and painted to look like a phone. Right?
By the same logic, until I actually get my hands on one, I won't believe that the iPhone isn't made of green cheese and painted to look like a phone. Right?
By the same logic, until I actually get my hands on one, I won't believe that the iPhone isn't made of green cheese and painted to look like a phone. Right?
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Not true. I've had my iPhone 4 for 15 months and am eligible for a subsidized upgrade from AT&T. The amount of time before you can get an upgrade depends on how much you spend each month.
Correct. Not sure why people keep suggesting iPhone 4 users aren't qualified for a subsidized upgrade. I got the iPhone 4 day one and have been eligible for an upgrade since June (AT&T). Pre-ordered my iPhone 4S day one again no problem with the subsidized price ($299 32GB). Again, just because you're still under contract does not mean EVERY person is not eligible. The amount you pay monthly will determine your eligibility.
Big Joe!
Nice!
Correct. Not sure why people keep suggesting iPhone 4 users aren't qualified for a subsidized upgrade. I got the iPhone 4 day one and have been eligible for an upgrade since June (AT&T). Pre-ordered my iPhone 4S day one again no problem with the subsidized price ($299 32GB). Again, just because you're still under contract does not mean EVERY person is not eligible. The amount you pay monthly will determine your eligibility.
Another thing that determines eligibility (with AT&T at least) is primary/secondary line status. The primary line usually becomes eligible for an upgrade before the other lines on the account. My wife is listed as our primary, and she became eligible about 16 months after our last upgrade. I'm considered the secondary line, so my line was eligible 3 months after hers.
Apple is now showing one of our phones shipped, but with a big 'exception' on the UPS tracking list, saying the service is not available to our address. Is anyone else seeing this?
Edit: Nevermind about the exception. It looks like both of my phones had the same hangup between Shenzhen and Hong Kong during shipment.
Nice.
And nicer still that you're all prepared to buy the same phone twice. Again.
Cue blah blah about graphics x7 etc. yes, yes, I've heard it. It's bollocks. It's the same blower, rehashed. With a voice assistant to make you look like even more of a self-obsessed tit while you talk to it in public.
Magical indeed.
Cue blah blah about graphics x7 etc. yes, yes, I've heard it. It's bollocks. It's the same blower, rehashed. With a voice assistant to make you look like even more of a self-obsessed tit while you talk to it in public.
Magical indeed.
Am I the only one that thinks that British slang sounds idiotic?
The depths of this subject that you guys are plumbing is impressive. You are correct in the specific sense that argumentum ad hominem refers to an attack on the person that is not relevant to the argument, and calling into question someone's pertinent qualifications is not, in itself, a logical fallacy. However, dismissing an argument based on a lack of qualifications is precisely the argumentum ad hominem logical fallacy.
But, pragmatically, it's also the right thing to do when dealing with trolls, shills, and their ilk. If you know someone is deliberately being dishonest, or intentionally attempting to provoke, the best course is to simply call them out on it. Sometimes, argument is a fool's game.
But, pragmatically, it's also the right thing to do when dealing with trolls, shills, and their ilk. If you know someone is deliberately being dishonest, or intentionally attempting to provoke, the best course is to simply call them out on it. Sometimes, argument is a fool's game.
Yes, but keep it for the actual trolls, rather than people who might be disappointed with something Apple does. Scaramanga89 is an obvious troll.
Dude, you're the one casting baseless innuendos, so you're the one that needs to back up what you say. The Glenn Beck style of argument won't cut it here.
Would you guys seriously stop acting like you're such educated debates? Seriously, the pretentiousness here is outstanding.
What's that got to do with anything (and, no, I'm not angry). You claimed that iPhone 4 cases might not work on the iPhone 4S. Yet all the evidence (see above) says that they will.
So where's the evidence to support your claim that iPhone 4 cases might not work? Alternatively, feel free to withdraw your FUD.
First, you just said it that's nonsense. I simply said I'm not sure if will be compatible because of hte slight differences in hardware (it DOES have two antennas you know) and the fact that it has a different camera lens. We haven't had a lot info. I belive the iPhone 4S has a (1/3.2") sensor while the original iPhone 4 has a 1/4. Again, not sure if that would make a difference or not.
Again, what TRUE evidence do you have? Do you have the iPhone 4S in your possesion? Thing's are different on paper than in your hands. No need to get all worked up for something as simple as a case.
Dude, you're the one casting baseless innuendos, so you're the one that needs to back up what you say. The Glenn Beck style of argument won't cut it here.
I wasn't even talking to you, so what does that have to do with anything? Also, it's not "Glenn Beck's style of argument" as you have no basis for that? Is it defined in the dictioinary? Is a "Glenn Beck" argument a fallacy? Well, then don't bring that to the table.
Au contraire, bon ami. Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftf4riVJyqw
It's an iPod.
It's a phone.
It's a Internet communicator
iPod. Phone. Internet Communicator.
And that was before the App Store.
Listen to the crowd when the video reaches 6:30. Whoa. The revelation.
(Man, Steve knew how to work a crowd...*sigh*
Oh, si vous plait ami.
Cue blah blah about graphics x7 etc. yes, yes, I've heard it. It's bollocks. It's the same blower, rehashed. With a voice assistant ...
Magical indeed.
So... if it had the SAME internals as the 4, but with a different external case (or perhaps a bigger screen) then it would be better?... and you'd consider that an "upgrade"?
But since the improvements are all internal, then it just doesn't count?
(Now who's the self-obsessed tit?... well... obsessed with how others see him, anyhow
First, you just said it that's nonsense. I simply said I'm not sure if will be compatible because of hte slight differences in hardware (it DOES have two antennas you know) and the fact that it has a different camera lens. We haven't had a lot info. I belive the iPhone 4S has a (1/3.2") sensor while the original iPhone 4 has a 1/4. Again, not sure if that would make a difference or not.
Again, what TRUE evidence do you have? Do you have the iPhone 4S in your possesion? Thing's are different on paper than in your hands. No need to get all worked up for something as simple as a case.
Amazing. You're CONTINUING to imply that iPhone 4 cases won't work with the 4S?
Apple says that their bumpers work with both.
The physical dimensions are identical.
Someone reported superimposing pictures - and not seeing any discernible difference.
That sounds pretty conclusive. You're going to need more than "but there COULD be a problem" to justify your argument.
Amazing. You're CONTINUING to imply that iPhone 4 cases won't work with the 4S?
Apple says that their bumpers work with both.
The physical dimensions are identical.
Someone reported superimposing pictures - and not seeing any discernible difference.
That sounds pretty conclusive. You're going to need more than "but there COULD be a problem" to justify your argument.
Until I see the cases on the phones, that's not enough evidence. There is a high likelyhood. But I'm not holding my breath.
Until I see the cases on the phones, that's not enough evidence. There is a high likelyhood. But I'm not holding my breath.
By the same logic, until I actually get my hands on one, I won't believe that the iPhone isn't made of green cheese and painted to look like a phone. Right?
By the same logic, until I actually get my hands on one, I won't believe that the iPhone isn't made of green cheese and painted to look like a phone. Right?
Nuff Said
By the same logic, until I actually get my hands on one, I won't believe that the iPhone isn't made of green cheese and painted to look like a phone. Right?
Grasping straws. You know what I mean.