You smoke some strange kind of crack dude! All the evidence would suggest that AT&T alone had a stock of 200,000 phones. And the evidence also points out that the others have sold out of all their initial unit allocations. Regardless of your personal thoughts, Apple had made at least 100 TIMES what you said they probably had.
Come back when you have a clue! Saving this one for claim chowder!
Really? Try reading the post again and this time engage your brain.
A better place for this comment would be to send it to the mods... please. Let them sort it out if you feel violated.
Thank you.
[ besides... it sounds as if you're saying that you deserve a two week time out... "If anything deserves it, this post does." Maybe, "the above post" would have been better terminology. ]
Well, if we're going to be picky, then "terminology" is not the best choice of words here.
Current form factor is already awesome. Cloners have yet to copy the design. Glass front and back, I haven't seen yet.
There are only so many options - metal interferes with radio transceiving. Apple considers plastic to be cheap. That leaves glass, which is more expensive. Most manufacturers prefer not to spend money on a part that won't show up often in brochures and webpages.
We are told they have been producing since early August. Apple, contrary to popular rumour, dont like shortages. In particular these days when Android is pulling ahead, less so. They want to sell what they can.
No, it had been rumored that Apple started production in August. There is no confirmation of that. We don't know when they started and how many they stockpiled for the launch.
For certain, the factories weren't running at full capacity two months ago. There's a ramp in manufacturing before steady state production yields are reached as Apple's manufacturing partners optimize their processes. It took months for the iPad to reach full production speed.
There are no "popular rumour" that Apple likes shortages. Apple management has repeatedly commented about availability issues and they see shortages as a negative. Jobs, Oppenheimer, Cook have all mentioned this (product launches, quarterly financial calls, etc.). Anyone who thinks Apple is deliberately creating shortages is completely out of touch with reality and hallucinating badly.
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They want to sell what they can.
Duh. Their primary responsibility is to increase shareholder value. They make big fat margins on their handset sales. It is their duty to sell as many as they can.
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So this means there has been extraordinary demand. Which is crap for me as I really want a phone.
If you didn't know that Apple was going have supply constraints with the iPhone 4S, then you've been living under a rock for the past 4.5 years.
Anyhow pre-order now. They'll be fulfilled first-come, first-served. If you order two weeks from today, you're not gonna get your phone before someone who pre-orders right now.
So I ordered mine from ATT...I checked my order status and it says backordered.....does that just mean that they are holding it until it ships? I ordered mine within the first hour that there site was up.
No, it means they've sold through their pre-allotted inventory. Your phone will ship straight from the factory, and has yet to be made.
I still have to wait a month until I'm upgrade eligible with AT&T. I'm jealous. I'll be out of the country and nowhere near any technology when the iPhone 4S launches but that knowledge doesn't make it any easier. I'll have to wait a before I can read up on all the juicy reviews and benchmarks.
Oddly enough... my carrier just called to confirm my order. Shipping on the 13th and should be in my hands on the 14th.
So, wait. My staying up and ordering and re-ordering and trying for hours to get a 4S actually paid off? Cool.
Beats waiting in a real line. Online waiting entails martinis and pajamas. I got my two reserved and went back to bed with a nice buzz. Things I shouldn't try again in line at the mall.
I don't think Apple would agree to that. There are billions on the line and having one company stop the works for a 100 countries and all their carriers wouldn't make any sense.
I think there was a HW issue that caused the delay. Maybe something with the new antenna switching components, or the camera, or this low-power MDM6600, or the A5, or some other unknown component.
I doubt that moving the release date from early Summer to early Fall was the result of "hardware issues" (or due to agreements with Verizon). I think it's most likely that they wanted to separate the iPad and iPhone release dates and that iPod releases alone are not enough to get excited about any longer. The specific date of early October (vs. the usual early September date for iPods) could have been due to ironing out some hardware issue, but it's more likely that it was iOS5/iCloud/Siri development that determined the exact date.
So, I don't think it should be seen as a "delay". I think they made a conscious decision to move the release of the 4S to the Fall and that that determined the development schedule and what got included. I also wouldn't be surprised to see the iPad 3 release date move to June at the WWDC -- i.e., the "prestige" spot formerly occupied by the iPhone. (I would however be surprised to see them release a phone with a larger screen, even after the 3GS is retired.)
An unlocked iPhone would be great. I've heard they have been selling them in Canada for awhile, but haven't seen them in the US. I might just get the new one when it comes out. Even so, with an unlocked iPhone you still need Skype when abroad. I pay for the local US number that rings on Skype on my iPhone. It doesn't work that well because the caller usually gets voicemail before the phone even rings on my end but at least it is convenient for my callers to get a message to me and I can call them right back using Skype.
Apple has been selling U.S. factory unlocked iPhone 4 since June. $649 for the 16GB model, $749 for the 32GB model.
You can also use Google Voice instead of Skype (I still have a Skype account). When traveling abroad, I can call U.S. numbers with the Talkatone app on my iPod touch (naturally over a WiFi connection). Cost = zero dollars.
I am planning to buy the 64GB iPhone 4S unlocked at $849 and drop in an AT&T GoPhone SIM. I've priced it out my mobile phone usage compared to the cheapest AT&T iPhone plan (smallest voice, smallest data, no text) and it looks like I'll break even at eleven months. After that, I'll be paying about $15 a month whereas that cheapest plan is $55/month. After two years, I will have saved $520 versus being on a contract with a subsidized locked handset. Plus, I'll have an unlocked phone to sell used which commands a premium over locked phones.
Beats waiting in a real line. Online waiting entails martinis and pajamas. I got my two reserved and went back to bed with a nice buzz. Things I shouldn't try again in line at the mall.
Excellent point. I had a glass of vodka, but it still applies.
So much for your "iPhone 4S failed to impress" theory.
Yeah. Funny how all the Apple haters are not longer spouting that nonsense.
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I doubt that moving the release date from early Summer to early Fall was the result of "hardware issues" (or due to agreements with Verizon). I think it's most likely that they wanted to separate the iPad and iPhone release dates and that iPod releases alone are not enough to get excited about any longer. The specific date of early October (vs. the usual early September date for iPods) could have been due to ironing out some hardware issue, but it's more likely that it was iOS5/iCloud/Siri development that determined the exact date.
So, I don't think it should be seen as a "delay". I think they made a conscious decision to move the release of the 4S to the Fall and that that determined the development schedule and what got included. I also wouldn't be surprised to see the iPad 3 release date move to June at the WWDC -- i.e., the "prestige" spot formerly occupied by the iPhone. (I would however be surprised to see them release a phone with a larger screen, even after the 3GS is retired.)
How could it be delayed when Apple never announced a ship date?
There are a number of things that could have been the limiting factor in getting this phone ready
- availability of A5 chips in sufficient quantity
- availability of the GSM/CDMA chip with sufficiently low power consumption
- iOS 5
- New camera sensors
or any number of other things. Frankly, no one outside of Apple has any idea, so it's not worth speculating. It was released when Apple was ready to release it. That's all that matters.
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You smoke some strange kind of crack dude!
Come back when you have a clue! Saving this one for claim chowder!
Really? Try reading the post again and this time engage your brain.
A better place for this comment would be to send it to the mods... please. Let them sort it out if you feel violated.
Thank you.
[ besides... it sounds as if you're saying that you deserve a two week time out... "If anything deserves it, this post does." Maybe, "the above post" would have been better terminology.
Well, if we're going to be picky, then "terminology" is not the best choice of words here.
Current form factor is already awesome. Cloners have yet to copy the design. Glass front and back, I haven't seen yet.
There are only so many options - metal interferes with radio transceiving. Apple considers plastic to be cheap. That leaves glass, which is more expensive. Most manufacturers prefer not to spend money on a part that won't show up often in brochures and webpages.
Well, if we're going to be picky, then "terminology" is not the best choice of words here.
... believe me... I stumbled over that word when I wrote it. I'm old... the brain fails...
How about those order numbers for the 4S!!
Ive come to believe conradjoe it's a troll anyway.
I mean jeez join date is sept 2011 and he has almost 600 post..
he only stops posting when his mom calls him to dinner.
We are told they have been producing since early August. Apple, contrary to popular rumour, dont like shortages. In particular these days when Android is pulling ahead, less so. They want to sell what they can.
No, it had been rumored that Apple started production in August. There is no confirmation of that. We don't know when they started and how many they stockpiled for the launch.
For certain, the factories weren't running at full capacity two months ago. There's a ramp in manufacturing before steady state production yields are reached as Apple's manufacturing partners optimize their processes. It took months for the iPad to reach full production speed.
There are no "popular rumour" that Apple likes shortages. Apple management has repeatedly commented about availability issues and they see shortages as a negative. Jobs, Oppenheimer, Cook have all mentioned this (product launches, quarterly financial calls, etc.). Anyone who thinks Apple is deliberately creating shortages is completely out of touch with reality and hallucinating badly.
They want to sell what they can.
Duh. Their primary responsibility is to increase shareholder value. They make big fat margins on their handset sales. It is their duty to sell as many as they can.
So this means there has been extraordinary demand. Which is crap for me as I really want a phone.
If you didn't know that Apple was going have supply constraints with the iPhone 4S, then you've been living under a rock for the past 4.5 years.
Anyhow pre-order now. They'll be fulfilled first-come, first-served. If you order two weeks from today, you're not gonna get your phone before someone who pre-orders right now.
So I ordered mine from ATT...I checked my order status and it says backordered.....does that just mean that they are holding it until it ships? I ordered mine within the first hour that there site was up.
No, it means they've sold through their pre-allotted inventory. Your phone will ship straight from the factory, and has yet to be made.
I still have to wait a month until I'm upgrade eligible with AT&T. I'm jealous. I'll be out of the country and nowhere near any technology when the iPhone 4S launches but that knowledge doesn't make it any easier. I'll have to wait a before I can read up on all the juicy reviews and benchmarks.
Oddly enough... my carrier just called to confirm my order. Shipping on the 13th and should be in my hands on the 14th.
Cue the queues!
Eddy Cue, or Q from Star Trek?
So, wait. My staying up and ordering and re-ordering and trying for hours to get a 4S actually paid off? Cool.
Beats waiting in a real line. Online waiting entails martinis and pajamas. I got my two reserved and went back to bed with a nice buzz. Things I shouldn't try again in line at the mall.
The word 'fuck'? really? I'll change it to 'frak', happy?
Oh please, that's like replacing Mountain Dew Extreme with, I dunno... Tab.
It's called sarcasm. I know it doesn't always come across clearly in text, but this was pretty over the top.
May be, easily solved with the inclusion of the old sarcasm tag.
I don't think Apple would agree to that. There are billions on the line and having one company stop the works for a 100 countries and all their carriers wouldn't make any sense.
I think there was a HW issue that caused the delay. Maybe something with the new antenna switching components, or the camera, or this low-power MDM6600, or the A5, or some other unknown component.
I doubt that moving the release date from early Summer to early Fall was the result of "hardware issues" (or due to agreements with Verizon). I think it's most likely that they wanted to separate the iPad and iPhone release dates and that iPod releases alone are not enough to get excited about any longer. The specific date of early October (vs. the usual early September date for iPods) could have been due to ironing out some hardware issue, but it's more likely that it was iOS5/iCloud/Siri development that determined the exact date.
So, I don't think it should be seen as a "delay". I think they made a conscious decision to move the release of the 4S to the Fall and that that determined the development schedule and what got included. I also wouldn't be surprised to see the iPad 3 release date move to June at the WWDC -- i.e., the "prestige" spot formerly occupied by the iPhone. (I would however be surprised to see them release a phone with a larger screen, even after the 3GS is retired.)
An unlocked iPhone would be great. I've heard they have been selling them in Canada for awhile, but haven't seen them in the US. I might just get the new one when it comes out. Even so, with an unlocked iPhone you still need Skype when abroad. I pay for the local US number that rings on Skype on my iPhone. It doesn't work that well because the caller usually gets voicemail before the phone even rings on my end but at least it is convenient for my callers to get a message to me and I can call them right back using Skype.
Apple has been selling U.S. factory unlocked iPhone 4 since June. $649 for the 16GB model, $749 for the 32GB model.
You can also use Google Voice instead of Skype (I still have a Skype account). When traveling abroad, I can call U.S. numbers with the Talkatone app on my iPod touch (naturally over a WiFi connection). Cost = zero dollars.
I am planning to buy the 64GB iPhone 4S unlocked at $849 and drop in an AT&T GoPhone SIM. I've priced it out my mobile phone usage compared to the cheapest AT&T iPhone plan (smallest voice, smallest data, no text) and it looks like I'll break even at eleven months. After that, I'll be paying about $15 a month whereas that cheapest plan is $55/month. After two years, I will have saved $520 versus being on a contract with a subsidized locked handset. Plus, I'll have an unlocked phone to sell used which commands a premium over locked phones.
Beats waiting in a real line. Online waiting entails martinis and pajamas. I got my two reserved and went back to bed with a nice buzz. Things I shouldn't try again in line at the mall.
Excellent point. I had a glass of vodka, but it still applies.
So much for your "iPhone 4S failed to impress" theory.
Yeah. Funny how all the Apple haters are not longer spouting that nonsense.
I doubt that moving the release date from early Summer to early Fall was the result of "hardware issues" (or due to agreements with Verizon). I think it's most likely that they wanted to separate the iPad and iPhone release dates and that iPod releases alone are not enough to get excited about any longer. The specific date of early October (vs. the usual early September date for iPods) could have been due to ironing out some hardware issue, but it's more likely that it was iOS5/iCloud/Siri development that determined the exact date.
So, I don't think it should be seen as a "delay". I think they made a conscious decision to move the release of the 4S to the Fall and that that determined the development schedule and what got included. I also wouldn't be surprised to see the iPad 3 release date move to June at the WWDC -- i.e., the "prestige" spot formerly occupied by the iPhone. (I would however be surprised to see them release a phone with a larger screen, even after the 3GS is retired.)
How could it be delayed when Apple never announced a ship date?
There are a number of things that could have been the limiting factor in getting this phone ready
- availability of A5 chips in sufficient quantity
- availability of the GSM/CDMA chip with sufficiently low power consumption
- iOS 5
- New camera sensors
or any number of other things. Frankly, no one outside of Apple has any idea, so it's not worth speculating. It was released when Apple was ready to release it. That's all that matters.