1. there is no pressure. They don't care what Android does as long as it isn't copying their IP. This is the Steve Way. It has been drilled into them on a level of cultism
2. they likely didn't delay to increase sales but to reset the calendar because iPhones sell way better than iPods and it gives better numbers for the start of their fiscal year.
3. Apple doesn't promote sales figures for any purpose than the fact that they sold something. They don't give out 'sales' to resellers like Samsung does, making it sound like that many end users got the product. In fact they never talk about sales to ATT etc. They talk about the sales from their stores to users. Period.
4. We won't need 6 months.
I doubt this. Tim Cook said in his opening talk on Tuesday that the smartphone market was still to play for. Apple probably needs to up it's game - it needs a larger range of phones, and possibly a few releases a year. I think Tim Cook knows this.
If they do go for a new form factor in the 5 - bigger screen, NFC, LTE. It can be the high end model ( where they can experiment with new features). The highest end model 5 could be $900+ - with 128G of memory. The 4/4S is mid-range. The 3GS, or replacement should be low end.
( By which I mean $250 ish off contract for a non-retina display device with an older processor and 8G).
After this range of models is introduced specs can be changed during the year without events - events are for Apple's new devices, or major changes in form factor.
Then the iPod touch would have a 3G option, pushing it to $220. Existing iPod touch is $199.
Do that and the market will be won back from Android. the problem is how they can build it all.
I also think they are going to de-couple the OS release from the release of the Phone. It is decoupled from the iPad.
Do that and the market will be won back from Android. the problem is how they can build it all.
Apple has zero need to "win market back" from Android. It has the largest selling devices by far, caters to a different market segment, and is massively profitable.
Apple has zero need to "win market back" from Android. It has the largest selling devices by far, caters to a different market segment, and is massively profitable.
Android can stick with its bottom-feeders.
You're the kind of Apple fan I dont like. I think Apple want to win this market - get around 30-40% of it, and stay tops in tablets and iPods - where they cater to "bottom-feeders".
In terms of getting Software and Dev mind-share, it's important to stay in the game.
So you say people haven't bought it because they're technically minded, but then fully acknowledge the fact that (more likely the case) it's because they already have an iPhone 4 and are tied into contracts. It's almost certainly the latter, rather than the former.
Make your point and immediately cancel it out. Great debating skills there.
WTF! You clearly didn't read my comment before posting. Late night drunk posters.
You're the kind of Apple fan I dont like. I think Apple want to win this market - get around 30-40% of it, and stay tops in tablets and iPods - where they cater to "bottom-feeders".
In terms of getting Software and Dev mind-share, it's important to stay in the game.
Apple wants the most money and mindshare. They are doing it in spades with the iPhone. To suggest they'd be willing to give those up in favour of more unit marketshare makes absolutely no business sense.
I don't see anyone can look at a company approaching 2/3rds of the world's handset profits and say they aren't the dominating. All I see is domination.
I know I mentioned it in another thread, but I just received another email (this is my 5th now) saying that my order has been processed - they all say the EXACT same thing, and zero change has been made to the order status, and it still shows up as "back ordered". And that's just for the 16GB I ordered. The 32GB one I only got one email, and the status is the same.
The only reason I ordered through AT&T is because Apple's site was acting up.
I just hope I don't regret pre-ordering. I still need to order one more.
I just went through this with them. What I finally got out of them is that it is possible to block texts altogether and then you can use an Internet texting service, perhAps in combination with the upcoming Apple texting. However, once you give up your $5/month rate, you can never get it back. Choosing an Internet service means a separate phone number to give out to all those who want to text you. What I'm not sure oc is whether you have to be on Wifi to send and receive texts.
You can use either WiFi or 3G cellular data Internet connections for Internet texting, it doesn't matter. I've been doing this for years with Google Voice, via my computer, my iPod touch, and now with my iPad 2 (with 3G data).
Since I only give out my Google Voice number, it works well for me. Free texting via Google Voice and other related apps (like GV+ Mobile) and if I have a good WiFi connection, free outbound telephone calls to any U.S. number (regardless of whether it's a landline, mobile, or another Google Voice number) via the Talkatone app. The latter also means free calls back home when I'm traveling abroad (via WiFi).
You really think they could have sold the iPhone 4S back in June but held off to get iPhone users off of contracts? Besides that not making a lick of financial sense I don't know of a single AT&T user that had the 3GS that was on contract come this past June or an iPhone 4 user that is off their contract until mid-November so if you could clarify your position I'd appreciate it.
I have always assumed that the delay was contractual with Verizon since they received the iPhone 4 late in the normal refresh cycle.
I like Apple's thinking in not changing the case appearance. It is sort of like the iMac line. Looks almost identical, lasts a long time, easily upgradable OS, and has continued performance enhancements. It proves that the quality of the hardware is so good it doesn't need a facelift.
I woke up at 3am edt and ordered on Verizon Wireless's website in minutes and got my confirmation to "receive by October 14th" at about 0430. So today I wake up and like apparently thousands of othe Verizon iPhone 4S buyers, out ship date has been changed to October 21st! This better be a computer glitch otherwise I am going to be royally pissed off!
What's the point of a pre order if you get your phone weeks after everyone else?
You're wrong. Apple wants the most money and mindshare. They are doing it in spades with the iPhone. To suggest they'd be willing to give those up in favour of more unit marketshare makes absolutely no business sense.
I don't see anyone can look at a company approaching 2/3rds of the world's handset profits and say they aren't the dominating. All I see is domination.
Yawn. The whole profits thing matters to investors. Customers dont care. As I keep pointing out they had amazing profits in 1992, then they hadn't. Their market collapsed.
Furthermore the "mindshare" depends on the marketshare. At a meeting to discuss an app on Thursday my boss, the CEO of a digital agency I contract for in London, encouraged the clients to build for Android first, as here - in the UK - it was a clear market leader. They agreed. Thats the reality on the street. Apple is falling here, Android is gaining ( in share) and BB is staying static.
In June last year, Android was nowhere, BB was in free-fall. iOS would have been first, and only, choice.
Apple must be aware of this. Which is why Cook mentions the yet to play for market it on his slides, and their obsession with China, and the continuation of the 3GS. The rest of the market is to play for, the poorer part. Which they can offset with a higher priced 5.
Probably they haven't got their ducks in a row yet, and didnt think they could produce enough for Christmas. However the business model I am suggesting is the one they use for iPods. And laptops for that matter. Mac book Pro, Mac Book, Air.
and I would be astonished if their model continues to be one model a year through to 2020.
The kind of people who argue against Apple selling low end models poo pooed the continuation of the 3GS based on the same elitist model. The 3GS is still selling.
I have a similar problem with my AT&T order. I ordered less than 2 hours after the start, received the email that phone is reserved and should be delivered by Oct 14th.
When I check the status, I see this:
Last Updated: Oct 7, 2011
Pre-Ordered Item:
Ships in 14-21 days
What's up with this??? Ships in 14-21 days? If it does not ship by Oct 14th, then what is the point of preordering?
Yawn. The whole profits thing matters to investors. Customers dont care. As I keep pointing out they had amazing profits in 1992, then they hadn't. Their market collapsed.
Furthermore the "mindshare" depends on the marketshare. At a meeting to discuss an app on Thursday my boss, the CEO of a digital agency I contract for in London, encouraged the clients to build for Android first, as here - in the UK - it was a clear market leader. They agreed. Thats the reality on the street. Apple is falling here, Android is gaining ( in share) and BB is staying static.
In June last year, Android was nowhere, BB was in free-fall. iOS would have been first, and only, choice.
Apple must be aware of this. Which is why Cook mentions the yet to play for market it on his slides, and their obsession with China. The rest of the market is to play for, the poorer part. Which they can offset with a higher priced 5.
Probably they haven't got their ducks in a row yet, and didnt think they could produce enough for Christmas. However the business model I am suggesting is the one they use for iPods. And laptops for that matter. Mac book Pro, Mac Book, Air.
and I would be astonished if their model continues to be one model a year through to 2020.
The kind of people who argue against Apple selling low end models poo pooed the continuation of the 3GS based on the same elitist model. The 3GS is still selling.
1) Profits are important to for-profit companies. Apple with it's low unit marketshare in iPhones and Macs is killing all their competition flooding the market with a cheap, race-to-the-bottom devices. You really think that's the position Apple wants to be in but can't figure out how to get it in. Hint: It's the easily business to be in.
2) They didn't have the majority of the industries profits in 1992.
3) Mindshare depends on mindshare, not how many people are actively using your product. You seriously think Rolls Royce has worse business model than Alliance Rubber Company simply because they sell units to customers. Insane!
4) Apple is gaining in share (which really should be happening) and Android should have gain more unit share faster than it did but they continually came to market with buggy, complex devices that typical users only begrudgingly use.
5) How can you not remember Apple wanting to get the top 1% of the handset market by unit? They didn't say they wanted the largest number of units sold without regard for dominating the top tier of the market or not making the highest profit from the market.
6) You saturate the market from the top down (picture a pyramid) or you risk losing your mindshare and profits. Going in with multiple devices all over the map in a vein and haphazard attempt to capture the entire market at once is foolish. You build carefully! You shouldn't have to have any business education to understand this basic fact in life.
7) Again, Why would Apple want to follow Google's model of making no money on Android over their model of making the majority of the world's profits?
You're the kind of Apple fan I dont like. I think Apple want to win this market - get around 30-40% of it, and stay tops in tablets and iPods - where they cater to "bottom-feeders".
In terms of getting Software and Dev mind-share, it's important to stay in the game.
And, yours is the lazy kind of thinking that I don't particularly care for either (I don't dislike you - I have no clue who you are).
What 'Dev mind-share' or 'Software' staying-in-the-game issue does Apple have with iOS? Who do you think has the larger share of both - iOS or Android? Do we inhabit the same universe?
... and we haven't even started talking about 3GS and 4 sales.
So... next year when the unicorn powered 5" screen iPhone 6 comes out and the 3GS is given out as party favors, the 4 drops into the free 3GS spot, and the 4S drops into the $99 4 spot...
1) Profits are important to for-profit companies. Apple with it's low unit marketshare in iPhones and Macs is killing all their competition flooding the market with a cheap, race-to-the-bottom devices. You really think that's the position Apple wants to be in but can't figure out how to get it in. Hint: It's the easily business to be in.
2) They didn't have the majority of the industries profits in 1992.
And, yours is the lazy kind of thinking that I don't particularly care for either (I don't dislike you - I have no clue who you are).
What 'Dev mind-share' or 'Software' staying-in-the-game does Apple have with iOS? Who do you think has the larger share of both - iOS or Android? Do we inhabit the same universe?
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1. there is no pressure. They don't care what Android does as long as it isn't copying their IP. This is the Steve Way. It has been drilled into them on a level of cultism
2. they likely didn't delay to increase sales but to reset the calendar because iPhones sell way better than iPods and it gives better numbers for the start of their fiscal year.
3. Apple doesn't promote sales figures for any purpose than the fact that they sold something. They don't give out 'sales' to resellers like Samsung does, making it sound like that many end users got the product. In fact they never talk about sales to ATT etc. They talk about the sales from their stores to users. Period.
4. We won't need 6 months.
I doubt this. Tim Cook said in his opening talk on Tuesday that the smartphone market was still to play for. Apple probably needs to up it's game - it needs a larger range of phones, and possibly a few releases a year. I think Tim Cook knows this.
If they do go for a new form factor in the 5 - bigger screen, NFC, LTE. It can be the high end model ( where they can experiment with new features). The highest end model 5 could be $900+ - with 128G of memory. The 4/4S is mid-range. The 3GS, or replacement should be low end.
( By which I mean $250 ish off contract for a non-retina display device with an older processor and 8G).
After this range of models is introduced specs can be changed during the year without events - events are for Apple's new devices, or major changes in form factor.
Then the iPod touch would have a 3G option, pushing it to $220. Existing iPod touch is $199.
Do that and the market will be won back from Android. the problem is how they can build it all.
I also think they are going to de-couple the OS release from the release of the Phone. It is decoupled from the iPad.
: Dispatched: Ships by October 14th
Mine (ordered 8 AM EST yesterday) says "Delivers on October 14."
They must like me.
Clever indeed.
Create a phone that has zero detrimental effect on XMAS iPad sales, then 6 months later introduce the 'must have' bigger flashier iPhone.
Win Win.
That's Business Acumen. The definition of Apple Inc. Amazing!
Do that and the market will be won back from Android. the problem is how they can build it all.
Apple has zero need to "win market back" from Android. It has the largest selling devices by far, caters to a different market segment, and is massively profitable.
Android can stick with its bottom-feeders.
Apple has zero need to "win market back" from Android. It has the largest selling devices by far, caters to a different market segment, and is massively profitable.
Android can stick with its bottom-feeders.
You're the kind of Apple fan I dont like. I think Apple want to win this market - get around 30-40% of it, and stay tops in tablets and iPods - where they cater to "bottom-feeders".
In terms of getting Software and Dev mind-share, it's important to stay in the game.
So you say people haven't bought it because they're technically minded, but then fully acknowledge the fact that (more likely the case) it's because they already have an iPhone 4 and are tied into contracts. It's almost certainly the latter, rather than the former.
Make your point and immediately cancel it out. Great debating skills there.
WTF! You clearly didn't read my comment before posting. Late night drunk posters.
You're the kind of Apple fan I dont like. I think Apple want to win this market - get around 30-40% of it, and stay tops in tablets and iPods - where they cater to "bottom-feeders".
In terms of getting Software and Dev mind-share, it's important to stay in the game.
Apple wants the most money and mindshare. They are doing it in spades with the iPhone. To suggest they'd be willing to give those up in favour of more unit marketshare makes absolutely no business sense.
I don't see anyone can look at a company approaching 2/3rds of the world's handset profits and say they aren't the dominating. All I see is domination.
The only reason I ordered through AT&T is because Apple's site was acting up.
I just hope I don't regret pre-ordering. I still need to order one more.
I just went through this with them. What I finally got out of them is that it is possible to block texts altogether and then you can use an Internet texting service, perhAps in combination with the upcoming Apple texting. However, once you give up your $5/month rate, you can never get it back. Choosing an Internet service means a separate phone number to give out to all those who want to text you. What I'm not sure oc is whether you have to be on Wifi to send and receive texts.
You can use either WiFi or 3G cellular data Internet connections for Internet texting, it doesn't matter. I've been doing this for years with Google Voice, via my computer, my iPod touch, and now with my iPad 2 (with 3G data).
Since I only give out my Google Voice number, it works well for me. Free texting via Google Voice and other related apps (like GV+ Mobile) and if I have a good WiFi connection, free outbound telephone calls to any U.S. number (regardless of whether it's a landline, mobile, or another Google Voice number) via the Talkatone app. The latter also means free calls back home when I'm traveling abroad (via WiFi).
You really think they could have sold the iPhone 4S back in June but held off to get iPhone users off of contracts? Besides that not making a lick of financial sense I don't know of a single AT&T user that had the 3GS that was on contract come this past June or an iPhone 4 user that is off their contract until mid-November so if you could clarify your position I'd appreciate it.
I have always assumed that the delay was contractual with Verizon since they received the iPhone 4 late in the normal refresh cycle.
I like Apple's thinking in not changing the case appearance. It is sort of like the iMac line. Looks almost identical, lasts a long time, easily upgradable OS, and has continued performance enhancements. It proves that the quality of the hardware is so good it doesn't need a facelift.
What's the point of a pre order if you get your phone weeks after everyone else?
You're wrong. Apple wants the most money and mindshare. They are doing it in spades with the iPhone. To suggest they'd be willing to give those up in favour of more unit marketshare makes absolutely no business sense.
I don't see anyone can look at a company approaching 2/3rds of the world's handset profits and say they aren't the dominating. All I see is domination.
Yawn. The whole profits thing matters to investors. Customers dont care. As I keep pointing out they had amazing profits in 1992, then they hadn't. Their market collapsed.
Furthermore the "mindshare" depends on the marketshare. At a meeting to discuss an app on Thursday my boss, the CEO of a digital agency I contract for in London, encouraged the clients to build for Android first, as here - in the UK - it was a clear market leader. They agreed. Thats the reality on the street. Apple is falling here, Android is gaining ( in share) and BB is staying static.
In June last year, Android was nowhere, BB was in free-fall. iOS would have been first, and only, choice.
Apple must be aware of this. Which is why Cook mentions the yet to play for market it on his slides, and their obsession with China, and the continuation of the 3GS. The rest of the market is to play for, the poorer part. Which they can offset with a higher priced 5.
Probably they haven't got their ducks in a row yet, and didnt think they could produce enough for Christmas. However the business model I am suggesting is the one they use for iPods. And laptops for that matter. Mac book Pro, Mac Book, Air.
and I would be astonished if their model continues to be one model a year through to 2020.
The kind of people who argue against Apple selling low end models poo pooed the continuation of the 3GS based on the same elitist model. The 3GS is still selling.
When I check the status, I see this:
Last Updated: Oct 7, 2011
Pre-Ordered Item:
Ships in 14-21 days
What's up with this??? Ships in 14-21 days? If it does not ship by Oct 14th, then what is the point of preordering?
Yawn. The whole profits thing matters to investors. Customers dont care. As I keep pointing out they had amazing profits in 1992, then they hadn't. Their market collapsed.
Furthermore the "mindshare" depends on the marketshare. At a meeting to discuss an app on Thursday my boss, the CEO of a digital agency I contract for in London, encouraged the clients to build for Android first, as here - in the UK - it was a clear market leader. They agreed. Thats the reality on the street. Apple is falling here, Android is gaining ( in share) and BB is staying static.
In June last year, Android was nowhere, BB was in free-fall. iOS would have been first, and only, choice.
Apple must be aware of this. Which is why Cook mentions the yet to play for market it on his slides, and their obsession with China. The rest of the market is to play for, the poorer part. Which they can offset with a higher priced 5.
Probably they haven't got their ducks in a row yet, and didnt think they could produce enough for Christmas. However the business model I am suggesting is the one they use for iPods. And laptops for that matter. Mac book Pro, Mac Book, Air.
and I would be astonished if their model continues to be one model a year through to 2020.
The kind of people who argue against Apple selling low end models poo pooed the continuation of the 3GS based on the same elitist model. The 3GS is still selling.
1) Profits are important to for-profit companies. Apple with it's low unit marketshare in iPhones and Macs is killing all their competition flooding the market with a cheap, race-to-the-bottom devices. You really think that's the position Apple wants to be in but can't figure out how to get it in. Hint: It's the easily business to be in.
2) They didn't have the majority of the industries profits in 1992.
3) Mindshare depends on mindshare, not how many people are actively using your product. You seriously think Rolls Royce has worse business model than Alliance Rubber Company simply because they sell units to customers. Insane!
4) Apple is gaining in share (which really should be happening) and Android should have gain more unit share faster than it did but they continually came to market with buggy, complex devices that typical users only begrudgingly use.
5) How can you not remember Apple wanting to get the top 1% of the handset market by unit? They didn't say they wanted the largest number of units sold without regard for dominating the top tier of the market or not making the highest profit from the market.
6) You saturate the market from the top down (picture a pyramid) or you risk losing your mindshare and profits. Going in with multiple devices all over the map in a vein and haphazard attempt to capture the entire market at once is foolish. You build carefully! You shouldn't have to have any business education to understand this basic fact in life.
7) Again, Why would Apple want to follow Google's model of making no money on Android over their model of making the majority of the world's profits?
You're the kind of Apple fan I dont like. I think Apple want to win this market - get around 30-40% of it, and stay tops in tablets and iPods - where they cater to "bottom-feeders".
In terms of getting Software and Dev mind-share, it's important to stay in the game.
And, yours is the lazy kind of thinking that I don't particularly care for either (I don't dislike you - I have no clue who you are).
What 'Dev mind-share' or 'Software' staying-in-the-game issue does Apple have with iOS? Who do you think has the larger share of both - iOS or Android? Do we inhabit the same universe?
So... next year when the unicorn powered 5" screen iPhone 6 comes out and the 3GS is given out as party favors, the 4 drops into the free 3GS spot, and the 4S drops into the $99 4 spot...
... it just keeps getting better.
1) Profits are important to for-profit companies. Apple with it's low unit marketshare in iPhones and Macs is killing all their competition flooding the market with a cheap, race-to-the-bottom devices. You really think that's the position Apple wants to be in but can't figure out how to get it in. Hint: It's the easily business to be in.
2) They didn't have the majority of the industries profits in 1992.
Etc. Etc.
'Nuff said.
And, yours is the lazy kind of thinking that I don't particularly care for either (I don't dislike you - I have no clue who you are).
What 'Dev mind-share' or 'Software' staying-in-the-game does Apple have with iOS? Who do you think has the larger share of both - iOS or Android? Do we inhabit the same universe?
Android?
That sounds like an ad tagline: "The best phone on the market just got better."
That's actually a very good tag line. I'm surprised Apple didn't use it themselves.
"The most amazing iphone ever..."
"The best phone on the market just got better."