Getting me to calm down? Yet you are the one using bold, caps and absolutes. I've been civil, calm, rational and stated several points yet to be addressed. It reads like you are the upset one.
I'm using bold because saying the same thing over and over again apparently doesn't work
1) where am I or anyone else in this thread implying that the ip4 screen is inferior
2) where are we attacking the iphone at all in this thread?
What points have you stated, relevant to this discussion that have yet to be addressed? Remember, I haven't attacked the iphone4 screen, I've made no claims which one is superior, and I even SAID that it has fewer sub-pixels (just that it doesn't matter)
Look at everyone's impression of the device. Every single person that has had hands on time with this device say it's absolutely gorgeous and incredibly responsive.
That's all we have to go off right now since nobody on this board has actually touched or seen this in person. Just saying... The people that CAN judge it have said nothing but good things about it.
Who cares - its still a fragmented android POS! Loads of malware, no cohesive app environment, lack of good app environment for developers, dependent upon carriers to update the OS, obsolete the day its sold, etc. and lacks a key feature of Apple's iOS, a complete platform environement across all your devices including desktop through iTunes.
Considering you would normally hold a 4.65 inch screen further from your eyes then a 3.5inch I would actually say that the Crispness on the nexus S will be better. Consider..
3.5 at 326
4.65 at 316
326/3.5
316/4.65
which one is better.
Why would I hold it further from my eyes?.
The distance from my eyes to where I comfortably hold a phone will remain the same,
I don't intend to grow longer arms because of a larger screen.
However, when holding a 3.5" screen phone in one hand in portrait mode, it is comfortable to reach all four corners of the screen with a thumb, this becomes harder and more cumbersome as screens get bigger.
Oh, yeah a handpicked audience invited to the launch.
Don't see why this is hard to understand... :rolleyes
Engadget, TechCrunch, and Thisismynext/Verge ALL have positive hands-on impressions and they ALL are sites well known for being critical of samsung and amoled tech in the past. Apple/Samsung invited every major tech site, and a ton of minor ones. The barrier to entry was them flying to hong kong, which most android sites don't have the budget for so most of the US press there came from the bigger sites. That's not handpicked. That's less handpicked than Apple's events usually are.
It's really not hard to understand, so I don see why you and others can't seem to grasp it.
And we don't measure sales from just the single device. We measure sales on all the devices, because Android users have more choice of devices.
...so why are the comparisons always made using Android vs the iPhone and not Android vs iOS (i.e. iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch), is that because then android isn't "winning" e.g. 190 million android activations vs 250 million iOS activations.
And you distinctly recall wrong. The person who brought that up in this thread was (surprise) an apple fan trying to say the Galaxy nexus will fail because it won't sell as many devices as the iPhone 4S will. That argument might come up from time to time here, but here (as with many other cases on this site) it's started by someone in the iOS crowd because they still mistakenly think it's a trump card (just like android users who insist that volume sales are a trump card). Google and Apple are playing Completely different games for completely different businesses. Comparing their sales numbers is pointless.
You're the one trying to make this into a "android users are picking on the LCD's" when it's patently obvious we're not.
... and you completely missed my argument. My argument was that it will be a fail because it's the best that Samsung can do and I believe it won't be enough in the end game to help Samsung to compete effectively with Apple... even though you believe that Samsung is only trying to compete with other Android phone manufacturers. For every iPhone sold it is one smartphone not sold by an android manufacturer, ie. Samsung. The business models of the two companies may be different but the end result is the same... making money. How can it not matter to either company if the other company is taking sales from them... no matter which OS is in the phone. [eventually the smartphone market will be saturated just as wireless in the US is today... how do you pull customers away from the competition... reputation, service, marketing, features. It sounds as if you are trying to say that because Apple and Samsung have different business models they don't want each others customers... what?!]
Just to let you know... Solipsism is right. Thread after thread is filled with Android fans saying exactly what he is trying to relay to you. Hell, I tried to say it to you and you started some crap about subsets etc.
... but you must be right because you said so.
Oh, and by the way... the very first comment in this thread was an attack on the iPhone 4S black levels. C'mon... does that sound like an Apple fan defending the iPhone 4S... give me a break.
...so why are the comparisons always made using Android vs the iPhone and not Android vs iOS (i.e. iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch), is that because then android isn't "winning" e.g. 190 million android activations vs 250 million iOS activations.
Compare Android phone sales vs iPhone sales then. Either way, irrelevant to the topic.
It all goes back to everyone's hands on experience with the device. Which from all sites, they love the screen.
Considering you would normally hold a 4.65 inch screen further from your eyes then a 3.5inch I would actually say that the Crispness on the nexus S will be better. Consider..
3.5 at 326
4.65 at 316
326/3.5
316/4.65
which one is better.
Cunning arithmetic. I assume that you think smaller is better, since 316/4.65 < 326/3.5. Unfortunately, that would clearly imply that fewer pixels per inch are always better than more pixels per inch. Consider that considered.
Because whatever you're doing will be larger on the bigger screen, so you won't have to hold it as close for detail.
... but that would effectively make the screen smaller. Why bother getting a larger screen if all you want to do is make it smaller.
Larger screens might be a selling feature but whether or not it holds "real" value is uncertain to me. It's not like we're talking about desktop productivity here.
... but that would effectively make the screen smaller. Why bother getting a larger screen if all you want to do is make it smaller.
Larger screens might be a selling feature but whether or not it holds "real" value is uncertain to me. It's not like we're talking about desktop productivity here.
Ask anyone who has switched from a 3.5" screen to something larger. People love it.
More screen space = better media experience. Movies, video streaming, viewing photos, reading, gaming, browsing the web etc. Having a larger screen also allows you to have multi pane applications. Eg. the new email/gmail applications, settings etc.
And if the screen has a high PPI, it retains an incredibly sharp image. You don't have to hold the device so close to your face.
There is no down side to having a larger phone unless you're wearing your sister's jeans.
But seriously, PhoneArena just published a detailed comparison of different screens so why not have a look yourselves?
Here's a zoomed in image depicting the "sharpness" capability of various screens:
Using the OP's logic, the Galaxy Note (which uses the same AMOLED HD display) should have a "real" ppi of 190, instead of 285 due to its PenTile display . If the Galaxy S2 has an actual ppi of 217 which is slightly denser than that of the Note, then why do the letters in the latter device appear to be much sharper?
Despite its extremely high contrast ratio and ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS color display, AMOLED is still not perfect as it suffers from blue degradation over time and cases of burn-ins. But publishing misleading articles like this is just low.
Ugh. Everyone, including the bloggers, taking a purely marketing term (Retina display) and using it as if it was hard science.
Imagine an image consisting of green/black levels only. It will only utilize the green subpixels on either RGB or pentile displays. The green subpixel density is nearly identical for iphone 4/S and Galaxy Nexus displays. Thus, you wouldn't be able to see differences in sharpness.
Now think about a purely red or blue image. For a pentile display, the subpixel density would be half of that of an RGB display. Would you see a difference at the same viewing distance as for the green image? The correct answer is "no", because the densities exceed the resolution of your retina, which is lower for red and blue due to the much lower density of blue-sensitive cones and the much lower light sensitivity of red-sensitive ones.
Or, we could just wait and see how the screen looks.
There are several videos and articles by Tech sites demonstrating that sunlight legibility of the newer Samsung AMOLED screens is on par with that on the iP4.
This video demonstrates that at about the 5 minute mark near the end:
"And if you calculate the real pixel density you will find that the Galaxy Nexus is actually closer to a ?real? ppi value of 200, which is just slightly higher than on the Galaxy S II (that uses a Super AMOLED Plus with RGB pixel structure). Some claim that a PenTile panel needs around 420 ppi to qualify as a Retina display and that is probably also the reason why Retina is nowhere to be found on the specs sheets of neither Galaxy Note nor Galaxy Nexus."
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Getting me to calm down? Yet you are the one using bold, caps and absolutes. I've been civil, calm, rational and stated several points yet to be addressed. It reads like you are the upset one.
I'm using bold because saying the same thing over and over again apparently doesn't work
1) where am I or anyone else in this thread implying that the ip4 screen is inferior
2) where are we attacking the iphone at all in this thread?
What points have you stated, relevant to this discussion that have yet to be addressed? Remember, I haven't attacked the iphone4 screen, I've made no claims which one is superior, and I even SAID that it has fewer sub-pixels (just that it doesn't matter)
Look at everyone's impression of the device. Every single person that has had hands on time with this device say it's absolutely gorgeous and incredibly responsive.
That's all we have to go off right now since nobody on this board has actually touched or seen this in person. Just saying... The people that CAN judge it have said nothing but good things about it.
Who cares - its still a fragmented android POS! Loads of malware, no cohesive app environment, lack of good app environment for developers, dependent upon carriers to update the OS, obsolete the day its sold, etc. and lacks a key feature of Apple's iOS, a complete platform environement across all your devices including desktop through iTunes.
Considering you would normally hold a 4.65 inch screen further from your eyes then a 3.5inch I would actually say that the Crispness on the nexus S will be better. Consider..
3.5 at 326
4.65 at 316
326/3.5
316/4.65
which one is better.
Why would I hold it further from my eyes?.
The distance from my eyes to where I comfortably hold a phone will remain the same,
I don't intend to grow longer arms because of a larger screen.
However, when holding a 3.5" screen phone in one hand in portrait mode, it is comfortable to reach all four corners of the screen with a thumb, this becomes harder and more cumbersome as screens get bigger.
Why would I hold it further from my eyes?.
The distance from my eyes to where I comfortably hold a phone will remain the same,
I don't intend to grow longer arms because of a larger screen
Because whatever you're doing will be larger on the bigger screen, so you won't have to hold it as close for detail.
Because everyone that handled the device reported on their impressions of the device.
Everyone loved it.
So who handled it?
Oh, yeah a handpicked audience invited to the launch.
Don't see why this is hard to understand... :rolleyes
So who handled it?
Oh, yeah a handpicked audience invited to the launch.
Don't see why this is hard to understand... :rolleyes
Engadget, TechCrunch, and Thisismynext/Verge ALL have positive hands-on impressions and they ALL are sites well known for being critical of samsung and amoled tech in the past. Apple/Samsung invited every major tech site, and a ton of minor ones. The barrier to entry was them flying to hong kong, which most android sites don't have the budget for so most of the US press there came from the bigger sites. That's not handpicked. That's less handpicked than Apple's events usually are.
It's really not hard to understand, so I don see why you and others can't seem to grasp it.
And we don't measure sales from just the single device. We measure sales on all the devices, because Android users have more choice of devices.
...so why are the comparisons always made using Android vs the iPhone and not Android vs iOS (i.e. iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch), is that because then android isn't "winning" e.g. 190 million android activations vs 250 million iOS activations.
And you distinctly recall wrong. The person who brought that up in this thread was (surprise) an apple fan trying to say the Galaxy nexus will fail because it won't sell as many devices as the iPhone 4S will. That argument might come up from time to time here, but here (as with many other cases on this site) it's started by someone in the iOS crowd because they still mistakenly think it's a trump card (just like android users who insist that volume sales are a trump card). Google and Apple are playing Completely different games for completely different businesses. Comparing their sales numbers is pointless.
You're the one trying to make this into a "android users are picking on the LCD's" when it's patently obvious we're not.
... and you completely missed my argument. My argument was that it will be a fail because it's the best that Samsung can do and I believe it won't be enough in the end game to help Samsung to compete effectively with Apple... even though you believe that Samsung is only trying to compete with other Android phone manufacturers. For every iPhone sold it is one smartphone not sold by an android manufacturer, ie. Samsung. The business models of the two companies may be different but the end result is the same... making money. How can it not matter to either company if the other company is taking sales from them... no matter which OS is in the phone. [eventually the smartphone market will be saturated just as wireless in the US is today... how do you pull customers away from the competition... reputation, service, marketing, features. It sounds as if you are trying to say that because Apple and Samsung have different business models they don't want each others customers... what?!]
Just to let you know... Solipsism is right. Thread after thread is filled with Android fans saying exactly what he is trying to relay to you. Hell, I tried to say it to you and you started some crap about subsets etc.
... but you must be right because you said so.
Oh, and by the way... the very first comment in this thread was an attack on the iPhone 4S black levels. C'mon... does that sound like an Apple fan defending the iPhone 4S... give me a break.
...so why are the comparisons always made using Android vs the iPhone and not Android vs iOS (i.e. iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch), is that because then android isn't "winning" e.g. 190 million android activations vs 250 million iOS activations.
Compare Android phone sales vs iPhone sales then. Either way, irrelevant to the topic.
It all goes back to everyone's hands on experience with the device. Which from all sites, they love the screen.
And I could get started about ICS.....
Considering you would normally hold a 4.65 inch screen further from your eyes then a 3.5inch I would actually say that the Crispness on the nexus S will be better. Consider..
3.5 at 326
4.65 at 316
326/3.5
316/4.65
which one is better.
Cunning arithmetic. I assume that you think smaller is better, since 316/4.65 < 326/3.5. Unfortunately, that would clearly imply that fewer pixels per inch are always better than more pixels per inch. Consider that considered.
Because whatever you're doing will be larger on the bigger screen, so you won't have to hold it as close for detail.
... but that would effectively make the screen smaller. Why bother getting a larger screen if all you want to do is make it smaller.
Larger screens might be a selling feature but whether or not it holds "real" value is uncertain to me. It's not like we're talking about desktop productivity here.
... but that would effectively make the screen smaller. Why bother getting a larger screen if all you want to do is make it smaller.
Larger screens might be a selling feature but whether or not it holds "real" value is uncertain to me. It's not like we're talking about desktop productivity here.
Ask anyone who has switched from a 3.5" screen to something larger. People love it.
More screen space = better media experience. Movies, video streaming, viewing photos, reading, gaming, browsing the web etc. Having a larger screen also allows you to have multi pane applications. Eg. the new email/gmail applications, settings etc.
And if the screen has a high PPI, it retains an incredibly sharp image. You don't have to hold the device so close to your face.
There is no down side to having a larger phone unless you're wearing your sister's jeans.
But seriously, PhoneArena just published a detailed comparison of different screens so why not have a look yourselves?
Here's a zoomed in image depicting the "sharpness" capability of various screens:
Using the OP's logic, the Galaxy Note (which uses the same AMOLED HD display) should have a "real" ppi of 190, instead of 285 due to its PenTile display . If the Galaxy S2 has an actual ppi of 217 which is slightly denser than that of the Note, then why do the letters in the latter device appear to be much sharper?
Despite its extremely high contrast ratio and ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS color display, AMOLED is still not perfect as it suffers from blue degradation over time and cases of burn-ins. But publishing misleading articles like this is just low.
Less pixels per inch.
FEWER pixels per inch. 'Less' and 'Fewer' have two entirely different meanings.
Galaxy Nexus is at 315
Iphone is at 326
amoled will outperform the LCD any day
Except outside in sunlight.
Imagine an image consisting of green/black levels only. It will only utilize the green subpixels on either RGB or pentile displays. The green subpixel density is nearly identical for iphone 4/S and Galaxy Nexus displays. Thus, you wouldn't be able to see differences in sharpness.
Now think about a purely red or blue image. For a pentile display, the subpixel density would be half of that of an RGB display. Would you see a difference at the same viewing distance as for the green image? The correct answer is "no", because the densities exceed the resolution of your retina, which is lower for red and blue due to the much lower density of blue-sensitive cones and the much lower light sensitivity of red-sensitive ones.
Or, we could just wait and see how the screen looks.
Except outside in sunlight.
There are several videos and articles by Tech sites demonstrating that sunlight legibility of the newer Samsung AMOLED screens is on par with that on the iP4.
This video demonstrates that at about the 5 minute mark near the end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziMl6zrv0RI
Galaxy Nexus is at 315
Iphone is at 326
amoled will outperform the LCD any day
315~ compared to what? 326? anything over 300 is invisible to the naked eye...according to some people. I don't know for fact.
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1319022037
"And if you calculate the real pixel density you will find that the Galaxy Nexus is actually closer to a ?real? ppi value of 200, which is just slightly higher than on the Galaxy S II (that uses a Super AMOLED Plus with RGB pixel structure). Some claim that a PenTile panel needs around 420 ppi to qualify as a Retina display and that is probably also the reason why Retina is nowhere to be found on the specs sheets of neither Galaxy Note nor Galaxy Nexus."
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