So does PenTile. They can "Super duper" it up all they want. PenTile is cheating about the number of real pixels you can cleanly display. A marketing trick.
Naw. The proof is in the pudding.
All 3 current high-end display technologies have advantages and disadvantages.
Pentile has its disadvantages. But there is no denying that (according to the people who have, like, actually seen one) the Nexus has a screen which looks GREAT.
Apple's screen tech is good for many reasons.
Super AMOLED Plus is also a good technology, and has many advantages.
Is it even possible that anybody, anywhere, besides Apple, has technology which is Good? Is it possible that technology that Apple did not choose could also be a good choice?
Actually, he didn't characterize it as "poor". He characterized it as "relatively poor". As in, "in relation to" a Super AMOLED. I would certainly classify a contrast ratio of 800:1 as "relatively poor" in comparison to 100,000:1, wouldn't you?
AMOLED screens (last time i checked some) have a maximum contrast level of: infinite to 1, as to display black it "turns off"
compraed to that every single other screen has an EXTREMELY POOR black contrast ratio.
"So what about the AMOLED display? We measured a maximum brightness level of 291 cd/m² in the central region, which means that this display (+150 Euros) lies behind its cheaper competitor. Second criterion - Illumination: this time the AMOLED display scores with a value of 94%. On to the measurement of the black value. Our Gossen Mavo monitor showed an incredible result: 0.0 cd/m². Is that even possible? To find out one only has to place the two models next to each other and take a look: the black areas in the Super Clear display seem to be gleaming brightly when compared to the AMOLED screen, which appears to be completely deactivated in the black areas. Maximum contrast? Impossible to calculate as it is going towards infinity."
Anywho, I recently got the 4S. It is a beautiful display with a sharp screen. But the colors and saturation CAN'T hold a candle to Super AMOLED. Anyone who denies that is being a fanboy OR blind. The blacks blend into the bezel in most cases. Yes, the lack of sharpness on the regular SUPER Amoleds hold it back, but I think honestly RETINA is overrated.
...so why are the comparisons always made using Android vs the iPhone and not Android vs iOS (i.e. iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch), is that because then android isn't "winning" e.g. 190 million android activations vs 250 million iOS activations.
Nobody is keeping "score" in that manner, except for third parties with an axe to grind. There does not exist any sort of contest of the type you claim to be winning.
Instead, manufacturers look at their own P&L statements to determine wins and losses. If, for example, Samsung makes millions and millions of dollars in profit on their phones, and such profits are in line with their ROI goals, they have won.
If somebody else sells more pieces than they have, it doesn't somehow magically convert Samsung's big win into some sort of loss. It ain't got nothing to do with nothing, except to fanboys who look at business's sales volumes like some sort of personal vindication of their identity.
But seriously, PhoneArena just published a detailed comparison of different screens so why not have a look yourselves?
Here's a zoomed in image depicting the "sharpness" capability of various screens:
Using the OP's logic, the Galaxy Note (which uses the same AMOLED HD display) should have a "real" ppi of 190, instead of 285 due to its PenTile display . If the Galaxy S2 has an actual ppi of 217 which is slightly denser than that of the Note, then why do the letters in the latter device appear to be much sharper?
Despite its extremely high contrast ratio and ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS color display, AMOLED is still not perfect as it suffers from blue degradation over time and cases of burn-ins. But publishing misleading articles like this is just low.
I'm no expert in what to look for in magnified screens, but it looks to me like the "Galaxy Note" is the best, with the iPhone coming in second.
Which technology is in the upper left-hand corner? It looks better than both the Galaxy S2 and the iPhone. Which phone is the Galaxy Note?
But you're using a biased site that increasingly bashes anything not Apple. What does that prove? Honestly, if Apple did the same thing then they'd ignore it. Happens all the time.
To me, the screens are kind of even. I, for one, prefer better color saturation. I prefer to best of both worlds, but that's not reality. Using my 4S, the screen is MUCH too small for me and would make the sacrifice of pixel density for a bigger screen with more saturation.
However, going from my 4S back to my Galaxy S (Vibrant), my eyes hurt. I can litterly see the pixes on my Galaxy.
But you're using a biased site that increasingly bashes anything not Apple. What does that prove? Honestly, if Apple did the same thing then they'd ignore it. Happens all the time.
What it proves is that your claim that EVERYONE thinks the Nexus has the best screen is false.
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Originally Posted by MaroonMushroom
Ask anyone who has switched from a 3.5" screen to something larger. People love it.
There is no down side to having a larger phone unless you're wearing your sister's jeans.
As always, you are making blanket statements that just aren't true. First, there IS a downside. It's larger, doesn't fit as well in your pocket, and is harder to operate one-handed.
As for "people love it", that's undoubtedly true for SOME people. Others can't stand it because of the size. We'll know whether more people prefer a 4.5" screen or a 3.5" screen after the sales figures are out.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cnocbui
There are several videos and articles by Tech sites demonstrating that sunlight legibility of the newer Samsung AMOLED screens is on par with that on the iP4.
This video demonstrates that at about the 5 minute mark near the end:
What it proves is that your claim that EVERYONE thinks the Nexus has the best screen is false.
Since you apparently can't click a link. Engadget LOVED the screen. They're quoting a site that hasn't used the nexus. And he said that everyone LOVED the screen, not that they said it was the best.
Quote:
As always, you are making blanket statements that just aren't true. First, there IS a downside. It's larger, doesn't fit as well in your pocket, and is harder to operate one-handed.
You're making statements that just arn't true. an iphone (or ipod touch) isn't "snug" in my pockets, nor is my 3.7 inch droid incredible, or the 4.3 inch Thunderbolt. This device (as constant hands on have verified) feels a lot smaller than it really is because it's thin and they made the bezel smaller and removed physical buttons. You know.. Kinda like how all those pictures made their way around earlier this year showing how you could fit a 4" screen in an existing IP4 sized form factor?
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As for "people love it", that's undoubtedly true for SOME people. Others can't stand it because of the size. We'll know whether more people prefer a 4.5" screen or a 3.5" screen after the sales figures are out.
And this argument is pointless because the same can be said about smaller screens, except it can't because if someone wants iOS they MUST choose that form factor, which skews the numbers.
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Please don't confuse the phandroids with facts. Their heads will explode and then someone will have to clean up the mess.
As opposed to you, who simply pretends they don't exist.
... and you completely missed my argument. My argument was that it will be a fail because it's the best that Samsung can do and I believe it won't be enough in the end game to help Samsung to compete effectively with Apple... even though you believe that Samsung is only trying to compete with other Android phone manufacturers. For every iPhone sold it is one smartphone not sold by an android manufacturer, ie. Samsung. The business models of the two companies may be different but the end result is the same... making money. How can it not matter to either company if the other company is taking sales from them... no matter which OS is in the phone. [eventually the smartphone market will be saturated just as wireless in the US is today... how do you pull customers away from the competition... reputation, service, marketing, features. It sounds as if you are trying to say that because Apple and Samsung have different business models they don't want each others customers... what?!]
Just to let you know... Solipsism is right. Thread after thread is filled with Android fans saying exactly what he is trying to relay to you. Hell, I tried to say it to you and you started some crap about subsets etc.
... but you must be right because you said so.
Oh, and by the way... the very first comment in this thread was an attack on the iPhone 4S black levels. C'mon... does that sound like an Apple fan defending the iPhone 4S... give me a break.
1) The Nexus isn't the best Samsung can do. It's very comparable to the (existing) Gs2 phones, and there's already other devices in the pipeline. To samsung, the best they can do are phones they put touchwiz on, EG the Galaxy S2, the S3 when they announce it, or the upcoming Note.
2) I didn't say samsung was only competing with Android phones. I said that there wouldn't be a single android phone to beat the iphone because if someone wants iOS, they get an iphone. If someone wants android they MIGHT get a samsung, or an HTC, or an LG, or a Motorola, or a (insert the dozens of other manufacturers there) If you can't see the difference, I don't know what else to tell you. Samsung and Apple are going after the SAME people, Google isn't. And even samsung is taking a different approach, one that IS making them record breaking profits. Again, if you can't see the fact that samsung approaches phone releases differently, I'd invite you to open your eyes. This isn't rocket science, but it's a common fallacy that people on this site just don't seem to get. They fall into the trap of believing that the ONLY way for a company to succeed is if they do everything like Apple, and that no other business plans are feasible. The financial results of HTC and Samsung beg to differ.
3) Solipsism isn't right, not this time. He's right about a lot of things, but he has this problem where he instantly assumes that every person who prefers something other than iOS is secretly the same person and they secretly hold the same view. This is called Stereotyping. You apparently have it to. I don't confuse him with Hill60, even though they both love apple. He shouldn't do the same to me, and neither should you. You made a generalization about all android fans, one that a lot of the most vocal on this forum don't even qualify for.
Side Note: The reason there are so many "android fans" here is because of DED and his intentionally gutter-born articles. The headlines are great for SEO, I'll give him that, but because they're so great with SEO, they draw a lot of attention. The quality of his "journalism" and his unveiled opinions are usually reserved for the forums of some corner of the internet without a decent moderator. AI gives him top billing. You reap what you sow.
4) That wasn't an attack. That was someone pointing out there were tradeoffs (believe it or not, that IS a tradeoff of LCD) They didn't say the screen sucked, or attack apple for it. You're reading into it. This "argument" started with Mr. Angry posting his usual, poorly and selectively researched trash and publishing it under one of his well known pseudonames
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So does PenTile. They can "Super duper" it up all they want. PenTile is cheating about the number of real pixels you can cleanly display. A marketing trick.
Naw. The proof is in the pudding.
All 3 current high-end display technologies have advantages and disadvantages.
Pentile has its disadvantages. But there is no denying that (according to the people who have, like, actually seen one) the Nexus has a screen which looks GREAT.
Apple's screen tech is good for many reasons.
Super AMOLED Plus is also a good technology, and has many advantages.
Is it even possible that anybody, anywhere, besides Apple, has technology which is Good? Is it possible that technology that Apple did not choose could also be a good choice?
Actually, he didn't characterize it as "poor". He characterized it as "relatively poor". As in, "in relation to" a Super AMOLED. I would certainly classify a contrast ratio of 800:1 as "relatively poor" in comparison to 100,000:1, wouldn't you?
AMOLED screens (last time i checked some) have a maximum contrast level of: infinite to 1, as to display black it "turns off"
compraed to that every single other screen has an EXTREMELY POOR black contrast ratio.
"So what about the AMOLED display? We measured a maximum brightness level of 291 cd/m² in the central region, which means that this display (+150 Euros) lies behind its cheaper competitor. Second criterion - Illumination: this time the AMOLED display scores with a value of 94%. On to the measurement of the black value. Our Gossen Mavo monitor showed an incredible result: 0.0 cd/m². Is that even possible? To find out one only has to place the two models next to each other and take a look: the black areas in the Super Clear display seem to be gleaming brightly when compared to the AMOLED screen, which appears to be completely deactivated in the black areas. Maximum contrast? Impossible to calculate as it is going towards infinity."
source: here
Anywho, I recently got the 4S. It is a beautiful display with a sharp screen. But the colors and saturation CAN'T hold a candle to Super AMOLED. Anyone who denies that is being a fanboy OR blind. The blacks blend into the bezel in most cases. Yes, the lack of sharpness on the regular SUPER Amoleds hold it back, but I think honestly RETINA is overrated.
...so why are the comparisons always made using Android vs the iPhone and not Android vs iOS (i.e. iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch), is that because then android isn't "winning" e.g. 190 million android activations vs 250 million iOS activations.
Nobody is keeping "score" in that manner, except for third parties with an axe to grind. There does not exist any sort of contest of the type you claim to be winning.
Instead, manufacturers look at their own P&L statements to determine wins and losses. If, for example, Samsung makes millions and millions of dollars in profit on their phones, and such profits are in line with their ROI goals, they have won.
If somebody else sells more pieces than they have, it doesn't somehow magically convert Samsung's big win into some sort of loss. It ain't got nothing to do with nothing, except to fanboys who look at business's sales volumes like some sort of personal vindication of their identity.
For every iPhone sold it is one smartphone not sold by an android manufacturer, ie. Samsung.
You mistake the smartphone market with a zero-sum game. But it is not. Instead, it is a growing market.
Different dynamics apply.
Thanks SamsungInsider! A++ article as usual! /s
But seriously, PhoneArena just published a detailed comparison of different screens so why not have a look yourselves?
Here's a zoomed in image depicting the "sharpness" capability of various screens:
Using the OP's logic, the Galaxy Note (which uses the same AMOLED HD display) should have a "real" ppi of 190, instead of 285 due to its PenTile display . If the Galaxy S2 has an actual ppi of 217 which is slightly denser than that of the Note, then why do the letters in the latter device appear to be much sharper?
Despite its extremely high contrast ratio and ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS color display, AMOLED is still not perfect as it suffers from blue degradation over time and cases of burn-ins. But publishing misleading articles like this is just low.
I'm no expert in what to look for in magnified screens, but it looks to me like the "Galaxy Note" is the best, with the iPhone coming in second.
Which technology is in the upper left-hand corner? It looks better than both the Galaxy S2 and the iPhone. Which phone is the Galaxy Note?
It's not hard to understand. It's just that I'm smart enough to realize that your use of "Everyone" is incorrect. See, for example:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/21/t...us-not-a-plus/
But you're using a biased site that increasingly bashes anything not Apple. What does that prove? Honestly, if Apple did the same thing then they'd ignore it. Happens all the time.
By "stepping up their game" do you mean "blatant copying?!?
Of course you won't read anything like that on AI or DF. Those sites only publish the TRUTH. All other web sites are LIARS!
Google is EVIL!
Adobe is LAZY!
Samsung are THIEVES!
HTC are RAPISTS!
Nokia EATS KITTENS!
You are a LIAR!
Oh, and a PAID TROLL!
(Just trying to get into the mood of acceptable posting practices here - did I forget any of the standard requirements?)
Microsoft is ...
However, going from my 4S back to my Galaxy S (Vibrant), my eyes hurt. I can litterly see the pixes on my Galaxy.
that is probably also the reason why Retina is nowhere to be found on the specs sheets of neither Galaxy Note nor Galaxy Nexus."
Isn't "Retina Display" a trademarked marketing term invented by Apple?
Maybe that is why they don't use it - it is Apple's property?
But wait for "Super AMOLED qHD 3D PLUS F.ART" it will be the next big thing!
Seriously, can we already drop these stupid "new" screen names. It's getting ridiculous.
But you're using a biased site that increasingly bashes anything not Apple. What does that prove? Honestly, if Apple did the same thing then they'd ignore it. Happens all the time.
What it proves is that your claim that EVERYONE thinks the Nexus has the best screen is false.
Ask anyone who has switched from a 3.5" screen to something larger. People love it.
There is no down side to having a larger phone unless you're wearing your sister's jeans.
As always, you are making blanket statements that just aren't true. First, there IS a downside. It's larger, doesn't fit as well in your pocket, and is harder to operate one-handed.
As for "people love it", that's undoubtedly true for SOME people. Others can't stand it because of the size. We'll know whether more people prefer a 4.5" screen or a 3.5" screen after the sales figures are out.
There are several videos and articles by Tech sites demonstrating that sunlight legibility of the newer Samsung AMOLED screens is on par with that on the iP4.
This video demonstrates that at about the 5 minute mark near the end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziMl6zrv0RI
Please don't confuse the phandroids with facts. Their heads will explode and then someone will have to clean up the mess.
Two of the best features of my iPhone 4S are made by Samsung, LG? OMG....!!
"Apple relies on Samsung for chips despite patent wars" : UK Times
http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/23308...-iphone-4s.htm
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-n...e-A5-processor
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/07...by-lg-samsung/
Um, I'm so confused right now. When did I say EVERYONE thinks the Nexus S screen is the best screen?
Non sequitur. Stick to the topic.
It's not a non sequitur.
DED is ruining AI.
Also in those pics the iPhone 4 zoom level is much smaller than the Android screens! Fail.
Who the hell is DED?
daniel eran dilger aka DED, AKA Slash Lane, and a host of other names he uses.
Basically take the worst type of comment troll and give him a press badge.
What it proves is that your claim that EVERYONE thinks the Nexus has the best screen is false.
Since you apparently can't click a link. Engadget LOVED the screen. They're quoting a site that hasn't used the nexus. And he said that everyone LOVED the screen, not that they said it was the best.
As always, you are making blanket statements that just aren't true. First, there IS a downside. It's larger, doesn't fit as well in your pocket, and is harder to operate one-handed.
You're making statements that just arn't true. an iphone (or ipod touch) isn't "snug" in my pockets, nor is my 3.7 inch droid incredible, or the 4.3 inch Thunderbolt. This device (as constant hands on have verified) feels a lot smaller than it really is because it's thin and they made the bezel smaller and removed physical buttons. You know.. Kinda like how all those pictures made their way around earlier this year showing how you could fit a 4" screen in an existing IP4 sized form factor?
As for "people love it", that's undoubtedly true for SOME people. Others can't stand it because of the size. We'll know whether more people prefer a 4.5" screen or a 3.5" screen after the sales figures are out.
And this argument is pointless because the same can be said about smaller screens, except it can't because if someone wants iOS they MUST choose that form factor, which skews the numbers.
Please don't confuse the phandroids with facts. Their heads will explode and then someone will have to clean up the mess.
As opposed to you, who simply pretends they don't exist.
... and you completely missed my argument. My argument was that it will be a fail because it's the best that Samsung can do and I believe it won't be enough in the end game to help Samsung to compete effectively with Apple... even though you believe that Samsung is only trying to compete with other Android phone manufacturers. For every iPhone sold it is one smartphone not sold by an android manufacturer, ie. Samsung. The business models of the two companies may be different but the end result is the same... making money. How can it not matter to either company if the other company is taking sales from them... no matter which OS is in the phone. [eventually the smartphone market will be saturated just as wireless in the US is today... how do you pull customers away from the competition... reputation, service, marketing, features. It sounds as if you are trying to say that because Apple and Samsung have different business models they don't want each others customers... what?!]
Just to let you know... Solipsism is right. Thread after thread is filled with Android fans saying exactly what he is trying to relay to you. Hell, I tried to say it to you and you started some crap about subsets etc.
... but you must be right because you said so.
Oh, and by the way... the very first comment in this thread was an attack on the iPhone 4S black levels. C'mon... does that sound like an Apple fan defending the iPhone 4S... give me a break.
1) The Nexus isn't the best Samsung can do. It's very comparable to the (existing) Gs2 phones, and there's already other devices in the pipeline. To samsung, the best they can do are phones they put touchwiz on, EG the Galaxy S2, the S3 when they announce it, or the upcoming Note.
2) I didn't say samsung was only competing with Android phones. I said that there wouldn't be a single android phone to beat the iphone because if someone wants iOS, they get an iphone. If someone wants android they MIGHT get a samsung, or an HTC, or an LG, or a Motorola, or a (insert the dozens of other manufacturers there) If you can't see the difference, I don't know what else to tell you. Samsung and Apple are going after the SAME people, Google isn't. And even samsung is taking a different approach, one that IS making them record breaking profits. Again, if you can't see the fact that samsung approaches phone releases differently, I'd invite you to open your eyes. This isn't rocket science, but it's a common fallacy that people on this site just don't seem to get. They fall into the trap of believing that the ONLY way for a company to succeed is if they do everything like Apple, and that no other business plans are feasible. The financial results of HTC and Samsung beg to differ.
3) Solipsism isn't right, not this time. He's right about a lot of things, but he has this problem where he instantly assumes that every person who prefers something other than iOS is secretly the same person and they secretly hold the same view. This is called Stereotyping. You apparently have it to. I don't confuse him with Hill60, even though they both love apple. He shouldn't do the same to me, and neither should you. You made a generalization about all android fans, one that a lot of the most vocal on this forum don't even qualify for.
Side Note: The reason there are so many "android fans" here is because of DED and his intentionally gutter-born articles. The headlines are great for SEO, I'll give him that, but because they're so great with SEO, they draw a lot of attention. The quality of his "journalism" and his unveiled opinions are usually reserved for the forums of some corner of the internet without a decent moderator. AI gives him top billing. You reap what you sow.
4) That wasn't an attack. That was someone pointing out there were tradeoffs (believe it or not, that IS a tradeoff of LCD) They didn't say the screen sucked, or attack apple for it. You're reading into it. This "argument" started with Mr. Angry posting his usual, poorly and selectively researched trash and publishing it under one of his well known pseudonames