nokia is giving 25k phones away to developers...should u not do before u release the phone...where is the app store and eco system
FAILED....
According to David Pogue of the NYTimes WP7 has a 30k deep app store. MS also has plenty of ecosystem for WP7. It's not as good as iOS, but it's surely better than Android.
Beautiful phone. I really wish they had an AOSP android variant of this.
Things that kill it for me:
-although I really like Mango, it simply needs more apps, and a better maps program
-no dev community like Android
-no MHL via USB
-no FFC
But:
-most beautiful phone hardware I've ever seen.
-pretty OS to match it
-will probably have update priority via Microsoft
-not too expensive off contract
-Amazing camera
Also I don't understand why people make articles like these. It's a completely different platform. A much lower clocked CPU would've been just fine for this device. With hardware acceleration, it doesn't need much to be flawless. These articles would be better if the author could admit the few flaws that the iphone/ios has.
Keep in mind this hasn't been officially reviewed. I'd expect some strong sales from this device. The mobile industry needs WP7 to survive. More competition means more innovation at lower prices.
Amazing phone Nokia. I wish you made a couple high end Androids.....
The great race for 2nd place in the SmartPhone marketplace continues unabated at a furious pace with iPhone surviving as the reigning Ace.
MS/Nokia executives should save face and exit the race with grace before the worst-case, your shareholders have you replaced for running said race and finishing last place.
Although the Nokia is a shit phone in every aspect, the prostitute phone is actually considered a world phone due to its quad-band, since it can roam/run on on nearly 80% of networks.
Same as pre iPhone 4S, and GSM iPhone 4S subscribers.
The Nokia phone wont sell, it's not cool
The iPhone is cool, the Nexus Series is also cool, although to a slightly different audience.
The only people that will buy these are Microsoft Employees since Google, Apple and Linux websites are banned at the work place.
Plus who wants to use IE, even though Apple shove Safari down your face, it's a decent browser from day 1 and is based on webkit which is miles ahead of trident
WAAAAAAAIT!!! Who the hell is getting 14.4 Mbps down on their 4s ?? BULLSHIT...
Isn't it's impossible to get the claimed rate because it doesn't factor overhead? Like how WiFi G was called 54Mbps, even though practical data payload figures were closer to 20?
Isn't it's impossible to get the claimed rate because it doesn't factor overhead? Like how WiFi G was called 54Mbps, even though practical data payload figures were closer to 20?
Agreed. Carriers are all talk. Only LTE delivers right now sadly.
Although I have seen some amazing speeds a few times. I saw 11mbps down in Seattle last time I was there. On my Atrix 4g AT&T
I think it's great. It's unique and socially focused. It's also still only a year old. I'd say it's very nice for a year old OS. Look at where iPhone OS 1.0 and 2.0 were at back in the day. Also look at how they managed to make IE an efficient and fast browser. MS should great credit for finally getting off their collective asses and making IE modern even if it was in response to Apple and WebKit.
I agree: WinPhone 7 is interesting, it's original, and it owes little to anyone else. The Metro design is pleasing to look at and employs some very interesting UI elements, such as bleeding the type off the display edge to indicate that content continues onto the next screen.
But MS has started (technically restarted...) years late in a game where you have to run pretty hard just to stay in the same place.
From a potential buyer's point of view the progress WP7 has made in only a year is irrelevant: the choice is between that and what iOS or Android can do for me today. WP7 is still behind and it still doesn't have good traction with either developers or customers. And unlike the PC world, where MS has enormous leverage in the enterprise sector, in the mobile phone market that leverage instead belonged to RIM (and there's another sad tale of missed opportunity).
There's a very real possibility that MS will be relegated to also-ran status in the mobile market, and that's not a game that they play well.
In the U.S. market Nokia's moves are dumbfounding. They release a phone (the N9) that some people in the U.S. would actually buy (not alot of people, but a significant number would), but they keep it out of the US (and other big markets where it would sell), supposedly because they want to rollout the WP phones unimpeded immediately.
Well, its WP rollout time and Nokia isn't releasing anything in the U.S.. They're going to go more than a year with no high end smartphones for the U.S. market.
Seems like bad senior management choices.
Not that it would make much difference now or next year - as I think the market is already established with the two big platforms (iOS and Android), its what people know about and what they buy and why WP has been such a sales disappointment (they don't need WP).
It seems likely that WP and Nokia as one of the many WP OEM's (but probably the only one who've bet everything on WP) will continue to just get lost in the static in the market, just like Zune did.
Getting there last doesn't win.
I believe this is the effect of the hostile patent wars in the U.S. The cost of doing business and the barriers to entry elsewhere are much more favorable, especially when you're trying to get a product out of the gate.
Anyone with a patent portfolio in the U.S. these days are looking for anything promising that may vaguely infringe. Then it's hammer time.
Release a product in the U.S. before you've made enough money to defend against the patent whack-a-mole game, and you are sunk.
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Why were people complaining about the 4S then? It was released only a few months later!
nokia is giving 25k phones away to developers...should u not do before u release the phone...where is the app store and eco system
FAILED....
According to David Pogue of the NYTimes WP7 has a 30k deep app store. MS also has plenty of ecosystem for WP7. It's not as good as iOS, but it's surely better than Android.
What exactly was FAILED for?
If you're going to take on iPhone then you need to be waaaay out of the box, else you'll fail.
Things that kill it for me:
-although I really like Mango, it simply needs more apps, and a better maps program
-no dev community like Android
-no MHL via USB
-no FFC
But:
-most beautiful phone hardware I've ever seen.
-pretty OS to match it
-will probably have update priority via Microsoft
-not too expensive off contract
-Amazing camera
Also I don't understand why people make articles like these. It's a completely different platform. A much lower clocked CPU would've been just fine for this device. With hardware acceleration, it doesn't need much to be flawless. These articles would be better if the author could admit the few flaws that the iphone/ios has.
Keep in mind this hasn't been officially reviewed. I'd expect some strong sales from this device. The mobile industry needs WP7 to survive. More competition means more innovation at lower prices.
Amazing phone Nokia. I wish you made a couple high end Androids.....
The great race for 2nd place in the SmartPhone marketplace continues unabated at a furious pace with iPhone surviving as the reigning Ace.
MS/Nokia executives should save face and exit the race with grace before the worst-case, your shareholders have you replaced for running said race and finishing last place.
actually, the UI has received nothing but praise from the community of tech bloggers.
Which recent history has shown thinks in pretty much the opposite way from the actual public.
What the techies think is good and what the techies want is not the same thing as what the people buying the phones actually want.
Which recent history has shown thinks in pretty much the opposite way from the actual public.
What the techies think is good and what the techies want is not the same thing as what the people buying the phones actually want.
Everyone I know that has one (about 6 people) absolutely love theirs. I would only consider 2 of them techies.
They did an amazing job delivering dynamic content to the user while still making it an extremely attractive UI.
Without question, the UI of the WinPhone has got to be the very worst of the worst? Who's idea was this? Steve Ballmer?
I agree. It looks like it's something from 2005.
I agree. It looks like it's something from 2005.
that might be ok since the iPhone UI looks like it did in 2007
Same as pre iPhone 4S, and GSM iPhone 4S subscribers.
The Nokia phone wont sell, it's not cool
The iPhone is cool, the Nexus Series is also cool, although to a slightly different audience.
The only people that will buy these are Microsoft Employees since Google, Apple and Linux websites are banned at the work place.
Plus who wants to use IE, even though Apple shove Safari down your face, it's a decent browser from day 1 and is based on webkit which is miles ahead of trident
This reminds me of ballmers comment on the iPhone bAck in 2007
http://youtu.be/eywi0h_Y5_U
WAAAAAAAIT!!! Who the hell is getting 14.4 Mbps down on their 4s ?? BULLSHIT...
Isn't it's impossible to get the claimed rate because it doesn't factor overhead? Like how WiFi G was called 54Mbps, even though practical data payload figures were closer to 20?
Isn't it's impossible to get the claimed rate because it doesn't factor overhead? Like how WiFi G was called 54Mbps, even though practical data payload figures were closer to 20?
Agreed. Carriers are all talk. Only LTE delivers right now sadly.
Although I have seen some amazing speeds a few times. I saw 11mbps down in Seattle last time I was there. On my Atrix 4g AT&T
I think it's great. It's unique and socially focused. It's also still only a year old. I'd say it's very nice for a year old OS. Look at where iPhone OS 1.0 and 2.0 were at back in the day. Also look at how they managed to make IE an efficient and fast browser. MS should great credit for finally getting off their collective asses and making IE modern even if it was in response to Apple and WebKit.
I agree: WinPhone 7 is interesting, it's original, and it owes little to anyone else. The Metro design is pleasing to look at and employs some very interesting UI elements, such as bleeding the type off the display edge to indicate that content continues onto the next screen.
But MS has started (technically restarted...) years late in a game where you have to run pretty hard just to stay in the same place.
From a potential buyer's point of view the progress WP7 has made in only a year is irrelevant: the choice is between that and what iOS or Android can do for me today. WP7 is still behind and it still doesn't have good traction with either developers or customers. And unlike the PC world, where MS has enormous leverage in the enterprise sector, in the mobile phone market that leverage instead belonged to RIM (and there's another sad tale of missed opportunity).
There's a very real possibility that MS will be relegated to also-ran status in the mobile market, and that's not a game that they play well.
In the U.S. market Nokia's moves are dumbfounding. They release a phone (the N9) that some people in the U.S. would actually buy (not alot of people, but a significant number would), but they keep it out of the US (and other big markets where it would sell), supposedly because they want to rollout the WP phones unimpeded immediately.
Well, its WP rollout time and Nokia isn't releasing anything in the U.S.. They're going to go more than a year with no high end smartphones for the U.S. market.
Seems like bad senior management choices.
Not that it would make much difference now or next year - as I think the market is already established with the two big platforms (iOS and Android), its what people know about and what they buy and why WP has been such a sales disappointment (they don't need WP).
It seems likely that WP and Nokia as one of the many WP OEM's (but probably the only one who've bet everything on WP) will continue to just get lost in the static in the market, just like Zune did.
Getting there last doesn't win.
I believe this is the effect of the hostile patent wars in the U.S. The cost of doing business and the barriers to entry elsewhere are much more favorable, especially when you're trying to get a product out of the gate.
Anyone with a patent portfolio in the U.S. these days are looking for anything promising that may vaguely infringe. Then it's hammer time.
Release a product in the U.S. before you've made enough money to defend against the patent whack-a-mole game, and you are sunk.
Agreed. Carriers are all talk. Only LTE delivers right now sadly.
as it lacks a physical keyboard...