Apple rumored to take on Google's 3D maps with superior technology

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  • Reply 21 of 157
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,322moderator
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    Originally Posted by nht View Post


    The problem is Google still has the most extensive streetview data because they've been collecting it for years.



    One advantage I can see to this method is that it would be far quicker to map an entire city and keep the maps updated - it would probably use less storage too. They may not get quite as good viewing angles as street-view but the stadium zoom demo was pretty clear and had a good freedom of movement.



    I'd say from here on, software is going to play a much bigger part of the iOS evolution than hardware. This year it was Siri and next year it could easily be this and software like Final Cut Pro X.



    While people might not see the 3D maps as very useful vs a basic top-down map, with GPS, it would be pretty useful while driving along and seeing the actual buildings you are driving past. That would give you a much better sense of where you are in a big city. Great for tourists walking around with their phone.
  • Reply 22 of 157
    Just when Goggle thought 3D mapping was safe...here comes Apple again!
  • Reply 23 of 157
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
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    Originally Posted by ascii View Post


    There was just... *waves hands*... a "change in market demand." LoL. C'mon, say it plainly. The iPhone came out and changed what people wanted.



    Btw I don't believe Schmidt stole the iPhone. One of the coolest things at the iPhone introduction was the pinching/zooming and multitouch gestures, and Android didn't get that until version 2.0 in October 2009.



    Surely if Schmidt had been privy to iPhone prototypes that would have been the first thing he copied? But that doesn't mean they have not copied it since. I wonder if they will have an "AI assistant" in the next Android? Not just speech input, but an actual AI assistant type thing.



    The problem is that you're completely missing the importance of time.



    Even if your suggestion is true and Apple simply changed what customers want and Google had to follow the trend rather than copying Apple directly, Schmidt's presence on Apple's board gave him about a year or more headstart because of his inside information. Google was able to start switching before they would have if Schmidt hadn't sat on the board.



    As for 'pinch-to-zoom', you're also missing the element of time. It could simply be that that particular technology was more difficult to copy than some of the others and took a little longer. Or Google may have seen it and made it a back-burner project until the market made it clear what a success it was.
  • Reply 24 of 157
    Much as I would like to believe that Apple has bought C3, the news reports this weekend don't quite add up. One site reports that the company was bought and then shuttered, but that clip from PC Mag features the team at CS2011 in Vegas, showing off their software not only on the iPad but also a variety of competing devices including I think it was the Galaxy Tab? So does't sound like Apple has control of this company, at least not yet. Hope I'm wrong...
  • Reply 25 of 157
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
    Did I miss something? When did Appleinsider become a Court room? Last I checked, Oracle is supplying the proof that Google stole Java. Microsoft is getting patent licenses from Android users because Android stole from Microsoft. Apple is using Android hardware makers for the same reason. More importantly Android looked like Blackberry before the iPhone hit the market. Finally, Steve thought Google stole. That is good enough for me.









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    Originally Posted by The Mock Turtleneck View Post


    Oh how so insightful. What did they steal exactly? Do elaborate if I may say so. Oh and remember to back up your claims too. The burden of proof is on you.



  • Reply 26 of 157
    geekdadgeekdad Posts: 1,131member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ascii View Post


    There was just... *waves hands*... a "change in market demand." LoL. C'mon, say it plainly. The iPhone came out and changed what people wanted.



    Btw I don't believe Schmidt stole the iPhone. One of the coolest things at the iPhone introduction was the pinching/zooming and multitouch gestures, and Android didn't get that until version 2.0 in October 2009.



    Surely if Schmidt had been privy to iPhone prototypes that would have been the first thing he copied? But that doesn't mean they have not copied it since. I wonder if they will have an "AI assistant" in the next Android? Not just speech input, but an actual AI assistant type thing.



    Agreed....Apple took all the functional and entertainment features and combined them in the iPhone and it changed what the public expected from their smart phones from that point forward!

    A agree with you on the Schmidt stole the iPhone from Apple debate. While I am sure he was privy to information before everyone else. The first releases of Android did not have all the features and wow functionality that the iPhone had. After a while all smart phone operating systems are going to resemble each other just by the basic functions they all provide. Apple added another feature to IOS called Siri. Lets see what Android comes up with to top that feature! This stuff is great for us consumers!
  • Reply 27 of 157
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung View Post


    Instead they will believe Eric Schmidt sat on the board stilling ideas.



    The saddest and most naïve/turn a blind eye thing is that you DON'T believe that.
  • Reply 28 of 157
    msanttimsantti Posts: 1,377member
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    Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung View Post


    You will just get some stupid post saying he stole android and the ridicules picture of one prototype then the G1. They Fail to notice the change in market demand led to the change in the finish product. Instead they will believe Eric Schmidt sat on the board stilling ideas. Despite Apple knew for at least two years before the release of the iPhone that Google was planing a mobile operating system. They believe that it Eric would not have been asked to leave due to conflicting issues. Nope they believe he sat on the board taking notes and taking pictures of the upcoming iPhone. Many of them fail to notice that the OSs function differently and operate differently. But they choose to say that coding aside, functionality aside that the only thing that matters is the look and feel which by the way some people on this website believe that icon based is owned solely by Apple.



    Watch this post get murdered.



    So Apple ripped off Android.



    Wonder why Android was so crap when iOS came out?
  • Reply 29 of 157
    geekdadgeekdad Posts: 1,131member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    The saddest and most naïve/turn a blind eye thing is that you DON'T believe that.



    What is really sad is believing that Schmidt stole from Apple while on their board........having access to all that information.....signing all those non disclosure agreements. Apple being aware of all this so they would be able to know EXACTLY what information he had and what could come from Google that even came close! Do you not think they had a legal team watching every step Schmidt made while on their board? Do you think Apple so naive? Do you not think Apple scrutinized ALL of his actions and every move he made? So tell me then why hasn't Apple taken Schmidt to court???? They have sued everyone else to protect their intellectual property...why not sue him? Because they can't prove anything...or else they would! If Schmidt stole ideas from Apple then where are they?
  • Reply 30 of 157
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    Originally Posted by geekdad View Post


    What is really sad is believing that Schmidt stole from Apple while on their board........having access to all that information.....signing all those non disclosure agreements.



    Oh, yeah. No one has EVER broken an NDA. Explains all the "developers" and the leaks from prerelease versions of all of Apple's software.



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    So tell me then why hasn't Apple taken Schmidt to court????



    He cut a deal that just had him kicked off the board.



    Quote:

    If Schmidt stole ideas from Apple then where are they?



    In modern Android.
  • Reply 31 of 157
    geekdadgeekdad Posts: 1,131member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    Oh, yeah. No one has EVER broken an NDA. Explains all the "developers" and the leaks from prerelease versions of all of Apple's software.







    He cut a deal that just had him kicked off the board.







    In modern Android.



    So then where is the lawsuit(s) to back up your statements??? Where has Apple taken Schmidt and or Google to court??
  • Reply 32 of 157
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    Originally Posted by geekdad View Post


    So then where is the lawsuit(s) to back up your statements??? Where has Apple taken Schmidt and or Google to court??



    Thanks for not paying attention.



    And they're suing Google by proxy in all the current lawsuits they're undertaking.



    It's the U.S. vs. the Soviet Union in Korea, Vietnam, and everywhere else.



    Eventually Google will have their Afghanistan with Oracle and collapse.
  • Reply 33 of 157
    geekdadgeekdad Posts: 1,131member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    Oh, yeah. No one has EVER broken an NDA. Explains all the "developers" and the leaks from prerelease versions of all of Apple's software.







    He cut a deal that just had him kicked off the board.







    In modern Android.



    So you are saying he STOLE ideas and a whole operating system from Apple and they just cut a deal??? How naive are you? Apple has said all along that they will NOT cut deals. Thye refused to listen to Samsung when they wanted to cut a deal with Apple about they IP lawsuits. So why then would Apple deal with Schmidt? He would be the guy that started the whole Android OS. Why not get him and kill the whole thing??? Your logic makes no sense......
  • Reply 34 of 157
    geekdadgeekdad Posts: 1,131member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    Thanks for not paying attention.



    And they're suing Google by proxy in all the current lawsuits they're undertaking.



    It's the U.S. vs. the Soviet Union in Korea, Vietnam, and everywhere else.



    Eventually Google will have their Afghanistan with Oracle and collapse.



    Ohhhhhhhh by proxy......that makes total sense now....They have a guy sitting on their board stealing ideas then comes out with a whole mobile operating system stolen from their ideas!!!!!! But ....wait for it.......they do nothing to him....yeah that has been Apple's MO the whole time. Just do nothing about it. Be passive agressive and go after the phone vendors instead of the person/company that stole their IP. makes sense to me.......NOT. I haven't seen Google mentioned once in any lawsuit by Apple.
  • Reply 35 of 157
    jd_in_sbjd_in_sb Posts: 1,600member
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    Originally Posted by The Mock Turtleneck View Post


    Oh how so insightful. What did they steal exactly? Do elaborate if I may say so. Oh and remember to back up your claims too. The burden of proof is on you.



    Apple is attacking Android by proxy. Apple is suing hardware manufacturers for iphone ideas stolen by Google and incorporated into Android. This link lists 20 patent violations that Apple is suing HTC over. Most are Android violations by Google, some are HTC hardware violations. Courts have not yet ruled on all of these claims. Scroll down on the page to see details.



    http://androidandme.com/2010/03/news...er-20-patents/
  • Reply 36 of 157
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,860member
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    Originally Posted by geekdad View Post


    So then where is the lawsuit(s) to back up your statements??? Where has Apple taken Schmidt and or Google to court??



    Because Google were careful to craft a tale and stick to it about how they happened to acquire Android and get into the phone business. And, clearly, the tale of the acquisition of Android is a just so story that strains credibility.



    First of all, the "fact", so often pointed to by Google apologists that Google acquired Android a couple of years (really about 1.5 years) before Apple announced the iPhone is a pretty weak defense at best. It implies that Apple didn't actually start development of the iPhone until the announcement, which is, of course, absurd.



    Clearly (and supported by statements made by Steve Jobs) they were working on the technology that became the iPhone for years before its announcement. In fact, a little more than two years seems about the right amount of lead time between deciding they were going to release a phone and having it ready to release.



    Clearly, this would have been something that the Board, including Schmidt, would have had knowledge of.



    So, the evidence that Google acquired Android because Schmidt, while on the Apple Board, learned that Apple was going into the phone business, while circumstantial, is pretty damning. That's not to say that Apple would have a case in court. For that, they'd need documentation of what were likely private, verbal, unrecorded, undocumented discussions at Google. Yet, the idea that Google's acquisition of Android around that time was merely coincidental, simply isn't credible.



    Then, if we look at that early version of Android, it was clearly a copy of the Blackberry. That makes sense too, since the Apple Board would not have been given all the details of what the new phone would be like. The abrupt change to mimic iPhone after the announcement shows that Google realized they had gone down the wrong road.



    It's also clear that, since the announcement of the iPhone, Google's strategy has been essentially the same as Samsung's: To copy the iPhone as closely as they can, to the point were they begin to throw things into it, like NFC, simply because it's rumored that Apple will be including it.



    And this really shouldn't surprise anyone. It fits Google's MO exactly: Steal from others and give it away for free, using their dominance and revenues from search to leverage themselves into an ever widening circle of markets by destroying profitability for anyone else in those markets -- i.e., basic product dumping.



    Anyone who thinks the reality of the situation is any different than described above, is drinking some powerful kool-aid, or being paid to pretend they believe Google's Android fairy tale story.
  • Reply 37 of 157
    jonoromjonorom Posts: 293member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by geekdad View Post


    yeah that has been Apple's MO the whole time. Just do nothing about it. Be passive agressive and go after the phone vendors instead of the person/company that stole their IP. makes sense to me.......NOT. I haven't seen Google mentioned once in any lawsuit by Apple.



    Wow, I guess you haven't been following FOSS, AI, other Apple news sites, bloggers and the press on this issue.



    Apple has made a strategic decision to go after the manufacturers, who have a lot more to lose than Google, and often (like with HTC) have far fewer resources in terms of $$ and IP. Many if not most of Apple's IP suits against the manufacturer are in fact against Google's IP. Also, Apple can use the ITC which acts much quicker than the courts and will ban imports. Of course Google does not import anything so you can't use the ITC against them.



    The effect will be the same with less effort, more speedy resolution, and greater likelihood of success for Apple.





    Re proxy, the USA and USSR were bitter enemies for decades but never once fought a single battle against each other. However there were dozens of real wars by proxy that killed millions. The analogy is perfect.
  • Reply 38 of 157
    jd_in_sbjd_in_sb Posts: 1,600member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post


    Because Google were careful to craft a tale and stick to it about how they happened to acquire Android and get into the phone business. And, clearly, the tale of the acquisition of Android is a just so story that strains credibility.



    First of all, the "fact", so often pointed to by Google apologists that Google acquired Android a couple of years (really about 1.5 years) before Apple announced the iPhone is a pretty weak defense at best. It implies that Apple didn't actually start development of the iPhone until the announcement, which is, of course, absurd.



    Clearly (and supported by statements made by Steve Jobs) they were working on the technology that became the iPhone for years before its announcement. In fact, a little more than two years seems about the right amount of lead time between deciding they were going to release a phone and having it ready to release.



    Clearly, this would have been something that the Board, including Schmidt, would have had knowledge of.



    So, the evidence that Google acquired Android because Schmidt, while on the Apple Board, learned that Apple was going into the phone business, while circumstantial, is pretty damning. That's not to say that Apple would have a case in court. For that, they'd need documentation of what were likely private, verbal, unrecorded, undocumented discussions at Google. Yet, the idea that Google's acquisition of Android around that time was merely coincidental, simply isn't credible.



    Then, if we look at that early version of Android, it was clearly a copy of the Blackberry. That makes sense too, since the Apple Board would not have been given all the details of what the new phone would be like. The abrupt change to mimic iPhone after the announcement shows that Google realized they had gone down the wrong road.



    It's also clear that, since the announcement of the iPhone, Google's strategy has been essentially the same as Samsung's: To copy the iPhone as closely as they can, to the point were they begin to throw things into it, like NFC, simply because it's rumored that Apple will be including it.



    And this really shouldn't surprise anyone. It fits Google's MO exactly: Steal from others and give it away for free, using their dominance and revenues from search to leverage themselves into an ever widening circle of markets by destroying profitability for anyone else in those markets -- i.e., basic product dumping.



    Anyone who thinks the reality of the situation is any different than described above, is drinking some powerful kool-aid, or being paid to pretend they believe Google's Android fairy tale story.



    Schmidt joined Apple's board 4 months before the iPhone was announced.
  • Reply 39 of 157
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JONOROM View Post


    Re proxy, the USA and USSR were bitter enemies for decades but never once fought a single battle against each other. However there were dozens of real wars by proxy that killed millions. The analogy is perfect.



    The US and USSR had nuclear weapons that could easily destroy each other and probably the entire world. That condition is called "mutually assured destruction" or MAD. Each party had too much to lose in a direct confrontation, and thus never did.



    Apple and Google are in a relationship where going directly at each other is a lose-lose proposition. Google makes most of its mobile search $$ from iOS and Apple is dependent upon Google for maps and search. We will not likely see a direct confrontation until Apple completes development upon its own maps application.
  • Reply 40 of 157
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jd_in_sb View Post


    Apple is attacking Android by proxy. Apple is suing hardware manufacturers for iphone ideas stolen by Google and incorporated into Android. This link lists 20 patent violations that Apple is suing HTC over. Most are Android violations by Google, some are HTC hardware violations. Scroll down on the page to see details. Courts have not yet ruled on all of these claims.



    http://androidandme.com/2010/03/news...er-20-patents/



    If Android had violated (or stolen since that's what many people here are implying) that many of Apple's patents, then why are we not seeing a single lawsuit by Apple against Google? It would make more sense would it not? Why the need to waste time and go for proxies? It's Google themselves whom developed Android after all. It would be an easy win too since Android is clearly without a doubt, a stolen product according to Lord Jobs. And why isn't Schmidt prosecuted for violating his NDA and what amounts to corporate espionage from his stint at the Apple Board?



    I keep hearing the same lines over and over again revolving around how Android stole everything from Apple. But until one of you can satisfactory explain to me as to why Apple isn't going after Google directly after basically copying everything, it will always be a baseless and unsubstantiated claim.
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