It's just not well thought out in the way it's used, and video clearly demonstrated that it's functionality is limited and unfocused. It's like Siri in many general aspects, but it's the way all these technologies are put together, including good natural language support, that makes it a breakthrough the way the original iPhone was a breakthrough in world that already had smartphone and touchscreens.
In fact, the TellMe video is a conceptual video equivalent to the famous Apple Knowledge Navigator. This is what every other company does, they fantasize about releasing "magical" products while Apple actually does it.
In reality, Microsoft TellMe is nothing like the concept video. If you search for Microsoft TellMe you will find the website and upon further investigation the website is linked to Windows Phone 7 speech recognition. The website is also quite clear that you are expected to remember and use specific commands. The list of commands follows.
Tellme used to be a customer of mine prior to their acquisition by Microsoft. Their technology is really based on 'voice navigation of the web'. AT&T is/was one of their largest customers. Siri is based on AI technology developed at Stanford Research Institute (SRI hence the name 'Siri'). This interview is another M$ executive saying 'we have that too' without really knowing what he's talking about. It's not that Tellme isn't good technology, it's just different than Siri. You can access Tellme on ANY cell phone. Most people who use Tellme are completely unaware they are using it. Siri, on the other hand, is specifically accessed by the user and only (today) available on the iPhone 4S...
You know that video isn't real right? It's just one of those fake videos that Microsoft do something showing where they are taking their technology.
That demo shows interactivity way beyond what Siri is at the moment. If that were in Windows Phone 7.5 it would have been a huge deal.
In Windows Phone 7.5 Tellme is a voice recognition and command system which, beyond the basic stuff like making a call or sending a text, hooks into the existing Bing local search stuff which isn't that far removed from the Bing app on iPad/iPhone (which you should download and check out BTW).
As it stands the list of Tellme commands is only a small fraction of what Siri understands (you can't add a reminder, set an alarm or add a meeting for example) and is locked to Bing so asking something like "what is the distance to the moon?" or "what is the maximum air speed of a dragonfly?" will just get you a Bing answer instead of pulling the result from Wolfram Alpha like Siri.
Mundie's comments are so pathetically hilarious! Microsoft chokes once again, but hey, we had that awesome feature a year ago! What the heck ever...good luck with your phone, btw...
You know that video isn't real right? It's just one of those fake videos that Microsoft do something showing where they are taking their technology.
I thought I made that abundantly clear with my comments about the video. Plus the video speaks for itself. It found hotel locations that seat 250 people for a weeding on a particular day. Without APIs that tie into websites or some other backend system that just isn't possible data to retrieve. Even then such a system could be easily gamed.
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As it stands the list of Tellme commands is only a small fraction of what Siri understands.
It's slightly above Apple's Voice Commands system in that it can address and send a text using speech-to-text and it can open an app, which is a pretty pointless action in and of itself.
You know, it seems like MS does this a lot. They get asked something Apple is doing and they sort of snort and claim they've been doing that without getting any credit, and it's just that Apple is good at marketing.
What's scary is that they may actually believe it. That the only difference between Apple's successes and their own failures is marketing, and that the half-assed, user hostile versions of things they put on the market are just as good as what Apple does, but Apple cheats because they have some kind of mysterious mind control thing going on. If only people would just take of their Apple blinkers, they'd see that Microsoft has all this totally awesome user experience stuff too.
Those stupid blue-sky MS of the future concept videos, like the one linked to earlier, are part of the problem. It's almost as if they think that because they've made a video about what they might do if they ever get around to it, they should get credit for shipping product. I notice that video featured (in addition to the hilariously capable natural language recognition) a casually referenced TV interface (a brief shot of a "view on phone/TV" menu item) and a Kinect gesture to chose images on the TV.
Cool! Why not just freaking do it, MS? You have the parts, why are you dicking around with videos? Is it because getting all those parts to work together is really hard? Can you not do really hard?
Apple is about integration. They've been building out an integrated meta-platform for over 10 years. They don't have warring internal factions, the OS X people aren't sabotaging Apple TV because of turf battles, the iPod Touch doesn't get hamstrung because the iPhone people are jealous of their empire. If MS wants to whine about how they don't get credit for being innovative, then for god's sake stop letting your lieutenants create autonomous silos and pick a master plan and freaking stick to it. You don't get to complain if you can't execute.
Mundie: ?I mean, all that?s already there. Fully functional, been there for a year.?
So?maybe that really is why Mundie dismisses Siri: Microsoft?s version of the feature hasn?t sparked sales of the Windows Phone 7, so he can?t imagine it?s a big deal on any platform.
Moreover, Microsoft?s culture is throughly suffused with robber baron thinking, even at the research nexus he inhabits?it?s the only way Microsoft knows how to make money.
In other words, he and the rest of the chiefs make such unwittingly ignorant remarks because they habitually wear big, fat dollar signs like horse blinders. Whoa, Nellie!
Welcome to the forum and good post. "Robber baron" is right.
You know, it seems like MS does this a lot. They get asked something Apple is doing and they sort of snort and claim they've been doing that without getting any credit, and it's just that Apple is good at marketing.
What's scary is that they may actually believe it. That the only difference between Apple's successes and their own failures is marketing, and that the half-assed, user hostile versions of things they put on the market are just as good as what Apple does, but Apple cheats because they have some kind of mysterious mind control thing going on. If only people would just take of their Apple blinkers, they'd see that Microsoft has all this totally awesome user experience stuff too.
Those stupid blue-sky MS of the future concept videos, like the one linked to earlier, are part of the problem. It's almost as if they think that because they've made a video about what they might do if they ever get around to it, they should get credit for shipping product. I notice that video featured (in addition to the hilariously capable natural language recognition) a casually referenced TV interface (a brief shot of a "view on phone/TV" menu item) and a Kinect gesture to chose images on the TV.
Cool! Why not just freaking do it, MS? You have the parts, why are you dicking around with videos? Is it because getting all those parts to work together is really hard? Can you not do really hard?
Apple is about integration. They've been building out an integrated meta-platform for over 10 years. They don't have warring internal factions, the OS X people aren't sabotaging Apple TV because of turf battles, the iPod Touch doesn't get hamstrung because the iPhone people are jealous of their empire. If MS wants to whine about how they don't get credit for being innovative, then for god's sake stop letting your lieutenants create autonomous silos and pick a master plan and freaking stick to it. You don't get to complain if you can't execute.
Sorry M$, the real news is that you have had out for over a year and still no one cares. Keep doing what your doing Ballmer!! Your slowly sinking the ship your piloting and it sucks to be you.
Sorry M$, the real news is that you have had out for over a year and still no one cares. Keep doing what your doing Ballmer!! Your slowly sinking the ship your piloting and it sucks to be you.
"Microsoft is like a ship with a big hole in the bottom. And my job is to get more developers to jump in the Windows Phone 7 lifeboat."
"In a sense, you know, many people were disappointed with [Apple's] newest phone because it wasn't a completely new thing, so the only thing they really had to hammer on was that feature," Mundie said. "Maybe we need to pick a feature and hammer on it harder."
Yeah, because dual core processors are nothing new.
So how many Windows phones have dual core?..
...obviously if dual core is nothing new, why bother.
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Have you found the Eliza mode in Siri?
No I haven't found her yet. How does that make you feel?
MS's comparison of Tell Me to Siri is just wrong on every level of wrongness.
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB6pWs46GY8 (video)
It's just not well thought out in the way it's used, and video clearly demonstrated that it's functionality is limited and unfocused. It's like Siri in many general aspects, but it's the way all these technologies are put together, including good natural language support, that makes it a breakthrough the way the original iPhone was a breakthrough in world that already had smartphone and touchscreens.The video looks like a demo.
The video looks like a demo.
In fact, the TellMe video is a conceptual video equivalent to the famous Apple Knowledge Navigator. This is what every other company does, they fantasize about releasing "magical" products while Apple actually does it.
In reality, Microsoft TellMe is nothing like the concept video. If you search for Microsoft TellMe you will find the website and upon further investigation the website is linked to Windows Phone 7 speech recognition. The website is also quite clear that you are expected to remember and use specific commands. The list of commands follows.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphon...-my-phone.aspx
Microsoft probably does believe TellMe is equivalent to Siri just like Google believes Voice Actions is equivalent to Siri.
When Apple releases their spectacular Map app next year everyone will say they have had 3D maps with navigation for years as well.
MS's comparison of Tell Me to Siri is just wrong on every level of wrongness.
You know that video isn't real right? It's just one of those fake videos that Microsoft do something showing where they are taking their technology.
That demo shows interactivity way beyond what Siri is at the moment. If that were in Windows Phone 7.5 it would have been a huge deal.
In Windows Phone 7.5 Tellme is a voice recognition and command system which, beyond the basic stuff like making a call or sending a text, hooks into the existing Bing local search stuff which isn't that far removed from the Bing app on iPad/iPhone (which you should download and check out BTW).
As it stands the list of Tellme commands is only a small fraction of what Siri understands (you can't add a reminder, set an alarm or add a meeting for example) and is locked to Bing so asking something like "what is the distance to the moon?" or "what is the maximum air speed of a dragonfly?" will just get you a Bing answer instead of pulling the result from Wolfram Alpha like Siri.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF5IVKj8QDk
You know that video isn't real right? It's just one of those fake videos that Microsoft do something showing where they are taking their technology.
I thought I made that abundantly clear with my comments about the video. Plus the video speaks for itself. It found hotel locations that seat 250 people for a weeding on a particular day. Without APIs that tie into websites or some other backend system that just isn't possible data to retrieve. Even then such a system could be easily gamed.
As it stands the list of Tellme commands is only a small fraction of what Siri understands.
It's slightly above Apple's Voice Commands system in that it can address and send a text using speech-to-text and it can open an app, which is a pretty pointless action in and of itself.
Siri: "Here's your current location"
No I haven't found her yet. How does that make you feel?
So you want to talk about you haven't found her yet?
...and it can open an app, which is a pretty pointless action in and of itself.
Ahh... But that's a good start...
Microsoft probably does believe TellMe is equivalent to Siri...
I'd bet my house they don't.
Ahh... But that's a good start...
No way, that should never be a direct command unless it's for Accessibility.
Here's a scenario:Or you could simply tell Siri to "Enable VPN in Settings".
What's scary is that they may actually believe it. That the only difference between Apple's successes and their own failures is marketing, and that the half-assed, user hostile versions of things they put on the market are just as good as what Apple does, but Apple cheats because they have some kind of mysterious mind control thing going on. If only people would just take of their Apple blinkers, they'd see that Microsoft has all this totally awesome user experience stuff too.
Those stupid blue-sky MS of the future concept videos, like the one linked to earlier, are part of the problem. It's almost as if they think that because they've made a video about what they might do if they ever get around to it, they should get credit for shipping product. I notice that video featured (in addition to the hilariously capable natural language recognition) a casually referenced TV interface (a brief shot of a "view on phone/TV" menu item) and a Kinect gesture to chose images on the TV.
Cool! Why not just freaking do it, MS? You have the parts, why are you dicking around with videos? Is it because getting all those parts to work together is really hard? Can you not do really hard?
Apple is about integration. They've been building out an integrated meta-platform for over 10 years. They don't have warring internal factions, the OS X people aren't sabotaging Apple TV because of turf battles, the iPod Touch doesn't get hamstrung because the iPhone people are jealous of their empire. If MS wants to whine about how they don't get credit for being innovative, then for god's sake stop letting your lieutenants create autonomous silos and pick a master plan and freaking stick to it. You don't get to complain if you can't execute.
No way, that should never be a direct command unless it's for Accessibility.
Here's a scenario:Or you could simply tell Siri to "Enable VPN in Settings".
Yes... I misunderstood... Of course the latter is correct.
Opening an app by itself, is half a job -- done minimally...
Asking an app to do something for you (accomplishing something) is what it's all about...
You really are the same old [argumentative] Sol
Mundie: ?I mean, all that?s already there. Fully functional, been there for a year.?
So?maybe that really is why Mundie dismisses Siri: Microsoft?s version of the feature hasn?t sparked sales of the Windows Phone 7, so he can?t imagine it?s a big deal on any platform.
Moreover, Microsoft?s culture is throughly suffused with robber baron thinking, even at the research nexus he inhabits?it?s the only way Microsoft knows how to make money.
In other words, he and the rest of the chiefs make such unwittingly ignorant remarks because they habitually wear big, fat dollar signs like horse blinders. Whoa, Nellie!
Welcome to the forum and good post. "Robber baron" is right.
You know, it seems like MS does this a lot. They get asked something Apple is doing and they sort of snort and claim they've been doing that without getting any credit, and it's just that Apple is good at marketing.
What's scary is that they may actually believe it. That the only difference between Apple's successes and their own failures is marketing, and that the half-assed, user hostile versions of things they put on the market are just as good as what Apple does, but Apple cheats because they have some kind of mysterious mind control thing going on. If only people would just take of their Apple blinkers, they'd see that Microsoft has all this totally awesome user experience stuff too.
Those stupid blue-sky MS of the future concept videos, like the one linked to earlier, are part of the problem. It's almost as if they think that because they've made a video about what they might do if they ever get around to it, they should get credit for shipping product. I notice that video featured (in addition to the hilariously capable natural language recognition) a casually referenced TV interface (a brief shot of a "view on phone/TV" menu item) and a Kinect gesture to chose images on the TV.
Cool! Why not just freaking do it, MS? You have the parts, why are you dicking around with videos? Is it because getting all those parts to work together is really hard? Can you not do really hard?
Apple is about integration. They've been building out an integrated meta-platform for over 10 years. They don't have warring internal factions, the OS X people aren't sabotaging Apple TV because of turf battles, the iPod Touch doesn't get hamstrung because the iPhone people are jealous of their empire. If MS wants to whine about how they don't get credit for being innovative, then for god's sake stop letting your lieutenants create autonomous silos and pick a master plan and freaking stick to it. You don't get to complain if you can't execute.
post of the year.
Sorry M$, the real news is that you have had out for over a year and still no one cares. Keep doing what your doing Ballmer!! Your slowly sinking the ship your piloting and it sucks to be you.
"Microsoft is like a ship with a big hole in the bottom. And my job is to get more developers to jump in the Windows Phone 7 lifeboat."
"In a sense, you know, many people were disappointed with [Apple's] newest phone because it wasn't a completely new thing, so the only thing they really had to hammer on was that feature," Mundie said. "Maybe we need to pick a feature and hammer on it harder."
Yeah, because dual core processors are nothing new.
So how many Windows phones have dual core?..
...obviously if dual core is nothing new, why bother.