why are you overlooking the iPod? It dominated and continues to dominate the MP3 player market.
Great point that many pundits and "analysts" have forgotten. Yup, Apple is going to just sit back and watch as its market share in phones and tablets is chipped away by competitors. Not! Watch the next 12 months to 2 years as Apple introduces a variety of lower priced products in these categories to offer more choice and ensure growth and retain market power. Look for 2-3 tablet choices with varying feature sets; same with the iPhone. We already have the "free" 3GS as an entry point to the Apple ecosystem for many customers.
The Oracle lawsuit should finally be resolved in Q1. I hope Larry really sticks it to them for stealing Java code. Let's do the deep dive after to see how profitable Android is for Google
It's funny Schmidt gets up there and says these things. Either he is an idiot or incredibly calculating
How is Ice Cream sandwich going to solve all the problems developers have with the platform? Is there something I don't know? Is it going to eliminate fragmentation, remove security holes, create a decent app store, and cause people who buy apps to flock to the platform?
Yes. Here is how:
1. ICS is released
2. Some devices can run it, some can't
3. Android is further fragmented
4. ICS may solve security holes while possibly opening others
5. Eric Schmidt tells developers they will have to write Android apps whether they like Android or not.
I'm one of the biggest Apple fans in the world, I've been buying every generation of their products since 1980. And this all seems like "deja vu all over again." Every time Apple creates a great product, with plenty of awesome development tools (I've worked with many of them), and even programs to curate the user experience. But in the long run, they always come in a distant second place. Alone, they simply can't compete with an entire industry.
I don't believe Schmidt's time frame is right, but I really don't see why this ride around the carousel is going to be different from the last. iOS will live and thrive like the Mac, but in 1, 3, or 5 years I suspect a single company can't compete against the entire Android hardware development mob. iOs will become the 10% world-wide market share in hardware and applications will be forced to follow.
Downer I know, but history does tend to repeat itself.
How do you define "distant second place?" What good is 90% market share to Google?
If Apple started to talk about activations they would have about 500 million activations at least. (you activate with each iOS update, the same with Android)
I like also that Google thinks that they have sold most smartphones. I believe Google have sold a couple of hundred thousand phones. Samsung/HTC have sold devices, but not Google.
If developers are going to develop first for Android, Google have to do something about piracy on Android platform. But Google won't. Its a selling point for Android/Google. Buy the phone and get all apps pirated. It does not affect Google. They just want to sell their advertising and data mine your life.
The last survey I have seen: iOS devices have on average 190 apps installed. Android devices 170. There are more Android phones then iOS (Officially). Somehow 90% revenue for Apple store and 7% for Google store = evidence for high piracy on Android.
And yes: I know that its easy to use pirated software on iOS devices. I simply can't understand todays youth that have to pirate a 1-5 dollar app. I understand piracy if the apps cost to much, but pirate that small about? It is a cultural thing of the internet generation, something that Google share in their DNA. To bad that it have bitten Google hard. Android is now the most expensive free system ever. Google have spent almost 20 billion in patents, Motorola mobile, buying Android, developing Android. Google get about 1 billion revenue from Android/advertising.
This lead to this fun thing: Microsoft make much more money on Android then Google. For each Android device sold almost all Android vendors pay protection fee to MSFT 5-15 dollar. This will generate about 1 billion for MSFT 2012. And this is before all the patent trials are settled. How much will Android vendors have to pay if HTC looses to Apple?
Googles data mining:
Hint to anybody that installed Chrome: Check when Chrome calls home. If you block that port, it automatically tries another port. I have never seen any other program act like it. Have over 300 ports/rules to stop Chrome phoning home before I gave up trying to stop it. I have nothing against Googles products. Chrome is great (webkit) and Android is interesting, but Google should have developed something own and licensed real Unix to avoid having to buy patents and pay of MSFT. There will always be patent disputes when you use Linux.
Hint to anybody that installed Chrome: Check when Chrome calls home. If you block that port, it automatically tries another port. I have never seen any other program act like it. Have over 300 ports/rules to stop Chrome phoning home before I gave up trying to stop it. I have nothing against Googles products.
You should just have used SRWare Iron instead. It's Chrome, but without the phoning home.
"Ultimately, application vendors are driven by volume...". What business is he in? The primary purpose of business is to make money. If a developer wants to make money, he's going to develop for a system that will get him paid regardless of the market share. He only referred to the market share of smartphones. Nice of him to leave out tablets since we know how well those Android tablets are selling. I'm sure if you add in iPads, the marketshare would a little different.
These forums are hilarious. This is apple vs microsoft 2.0, been saying it for awhile now. Apple is great at starting new niches, but cannot win in the long run--either too proud (locking everything down), or too stupid.
These forums are hilarious. This is apple vs microsoft 2.0, been saying it for awhile now. Apple is great at starting new niches, but cannot win in the long run--either too proud (locking everything down), or too stupid.
Google hasn't released actual data to back up their claim that he is wrong. Google says their data is right, but they may be counting peak activations in a day or averaging over 5 days or something like that.
This is a key point.
Also, ironic for an organization that exists solely on the basis of mining people's data.
These forums are hilarious. This is apple vs microsoft 2.0, been saying it for awhile now. Apple is great at starting new niches, but cannot win in the long run--either too proud (locking everything down), or too stupid.
Saying it awhile, eh? Aren't you a sage.
As for winning. Depends on your definition. Where is Apple on the list of most valuable companies in the world at the moment?
"Ultimately, application vendors are driven by volume, and volume is favored by the open approach Google is taking," - this idiot is starting to believe his own bullshit! Just as is their concept of "open" - fragmentation, malware, pirated apps, inability to make money, incompatibility across android devices, mods required across android devices. Hey Eric, APPLICATION DEVELOPERS ARE DRIVEN BY REVENUE!!!!! You fking moron!
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why are you overlooking the iPod? It dominated and continues to dominate the MP3 player market.
Great point that many pundits and "analysts" have forgotten. Yup, Apple is going to just sit back and watch as its market share in phones and tablets is chipped away by competitors. Not! Watch the next 12 months to 2 years as Apple introduces a variety of lower priced products in these categories to offer more choice and ensure growth and retain market power. Look for 2-3 tablet choices with varying feature sets; same with the iPhone. We already have the "free" 3GS as an entry point to the Apple ecosystem for many customers.
It's funny Schmidt gets up there and says these things. Either he is an idiot or incredibly calculating
How is Ice Cream sandwich going to solve all the problems developers have with the platform? Is there something I don't know? Is it going to eliminate fragmentation, remove security holes, create a decent app store, and cause people who buy apps to flock to the platform?
Yes. Here is how:
1. ICS is released
2. Some devices can run it, some can't
3. Android is further fragmented
4. ICS may solve security holes while possibly opening others
5. Eric Schmidt tells developers they will have to write Android apps whether they like Android or not.
6. Problem solved
I'm one of the biggest Apple fans in the world, I've been buying every generation of their products since 1980. And this all seems like "deja vu all over again." Every time Apple creates a great product, with plenty of awesome development tools (I've worked with many of them), and even programs to curate the user experience. But in the long run, they always come in a distant second place. Alone, they simply can't compete with an entire industry.
I don't believe Schmidt's time frame is right, but I really don't see why this ride around the carousel is going to be different from the last. iOS will live and thrive like the Mac, but in 1, 3, or 5 years I suspect a single company can't compete against the entire Android hardware development mob. iOs will become the 10% world-wide market share in hardware and applications will be forced to follow.
Downer I know, but history does tend to repeat itself.
How do you define "distant second place?" What good is 90% market share to Google?
Not this again.
Just tell us how many phones have been SOLD.
If Apple started to talk about activations they would have about 500 million activations at least. (you activate with each iOS update, the same with Android)
I like also that Google thinks that they have sold most smartphones. I believe Google have sold a couple of hundred thousand phones. Samsung/HTC have sold devices, but not Google.
If developers are going to develop first for Android, Google have to do something about piracy on Android platform. But Google won't. Its a selling point for Android/Google. Buy the phone and get all apps pirated. It does not affect Google. They just want to sell their advertising and data mine your life.
The last survey I have seen: iOS devices have on average 190 apps installed. Android devices 170. There are more Android phones then iOS (Officially). Somehow 90% revenue for Apple store and 7% for Google store = evidence for high piracy on Android.
And yes: I know that its easy to use pirated software on iOS devices. I simply can't understand todays youth that have to pirate a 1-5 dollar app. I understand piracy if the apps cost to much, but pirate that small about? It is a cultural thing of the internet generation, something that Google share in their DNA. To bad that it have bitten Google hard. Android is now the most expensive free system ever. Google have spent almost 20 billion in patents, Motorola mobile, buying Android, developing Android. Google get about 1 billion revenue from Android/advertising.
This lead to this fun thing: Microsoft make much more money on Android then Google. For each Android device sold almost all Android vendors pay protection fee to MSFT 5-15 dollar. This will generate about 1 billion for MSFT 2012. And this is before all the patent trials are settled. How much will Android vendors have to pay if HTC looses to Apple?
Googles data mining:
Hint to anybody that installed Chrome: Check when Chrome calls home. If you block that port, it automatically tries another port. I have never seen any other program act like it. Have over 300 ports/rules to stop Chrome phoning home before I gave up trying to stop it. I have nothing against Googles products. Chrome is great (webkit) and Android is interesting, but Google should have developed something own and licensed real Unix to avoid having to buy patents and pay of MSFT. There will always be patent disputes when you use Linux.
Googles data mining:
Hint to anybody that installed Chrome: Check when Chrome calls home. If you block that port, it automatically tries another port. I have never seen any other program act like it. Have over 300 ports/rules to stop Chrome phoning home before I gave up trying to stop it. I have nothing against Googles products.
You should just have used SRWare Iron instead. It's Chrome, but without the phoning home.
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/03/...-and-a-tablet/
No wonder he's forced to promoted to the Chairman.
These forums are hilarious. This is apple vs microsoft 2.0, been saying it for awhile now. Apple is great at starting new niches, but cannot win in the long run--either too proud (locking everything down), or too stupid.
I wish I was that proud and stupid.
Google hasn't released actual data to back up their claim that he is wrong. Google says their data is right, but they may be counting peak activations in a day or averaging over 5 days or something like that.
This is a key point.
Also, ironic for an organization that exists solely on the basis of mining people's data.
If I squint my eyes just right, Mr. Schmidt starts to look like Mr. Ballmer.
Best post yet!!! LMFAO!!!!!!
Well, he's the one who said "You might want to tell me the difference between a large phone and a tablet" at Davos 2010 for just-announced iPad.
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/03/...-and-a-tablet/
Heh. The correct answer is: a failure to spot a new market opportunity.
A better way to look at it is: "What's the difference between an iPod Touch and a pocket-sized tablet?" Answer: none.
but it is obvious he is the Dan Quayle of the tech industry.
These forums are hilarious. This is apple vs microsoft 2.0, been saying it for awhile now. Apple is great at starting new niches, but cannot win in the long run--either too proud (locking everything down), or too stupid.
Saying it awhile, eh? Aren't you a sage.
As for winning. Depends on your definition. Where is Apple on the list of most valuable companies in the world at the moment?
No?
schmidt put novell in a nose dive then took off and lucked out big time with google.
but it is obvious he is the Dan Quayle of the tech industry.
That would be "teche" industry.
That would be "teche" industry.