Don't forget that you probably have to agree to legal terms stating that you cannot join a Class Action lawsuit against Sony if they fail as securing your personal and financial information with them as part of using the backend services for the Vita. You know, because we can all afford the personal expense to Sony as individuals.
Just another example of people thinking that they get to redefine language just because they're some kind of uber hardcore game jockey.
If you're stuck somewhere in the middle of nowhere and your car breaks down, how much is your Vita going to help you?
If you're on the road and your boss sends you an important email, what good is your Vita?
If you need to track your finances, what good is your Vita?
Sure - if your life revolves around being a 'cooler' game player than anyone else, feel free to brag about your Vita. But don't give me the crap about it being superior or more powerful or how no one else matters because they don't share your insane fantasy with pixels on a screen.
I have a wifi iPad. I can't send emails when I am on the road with it.
Again, this mindset is wrong, and market will prove it. It is literally IDENTICAL to the people who thought phones with no physical keyboard were toast. They were simply wrong, and never admitted it. Gaming devices will follow suit.
I'm sorry but you're wrong. Don't fool yourself. The PSP has never been huge, and this device will be no different. QUALITY of gaming is subjective, and not only that, but it appears to matter less and less. People are choosing all-in-one mobile devices over multiple, dedicated-feature mobile devices.
Understand: It makes NO difference if the quality of gameplay (being more traditional aka old style) is better on a joy stick and button device. This is proving to NOT be a purchasing factor. While it may make sense to you, its not making sense to the majority of consumers. The majority are choosing to play simpler games, as the trade off, and gaining the benefits of, 1) A single device, 2) inexpensive titles.
No, that's not what's happening. People that didn't play before are beginning to play on their phones, and may be tempted to get a wii for casual gaming. People that played before on consoles are not ditching them for touch based controls. In your dreams.
Again, this mindset is wrong, and market will prove it. It is literally IDENTICAL to the people who thought phones with no physical keyboard were toast. They were simply wrong, and never admitted it. Gaming devices will follow suit.
You should play more. I always believe in touch controls for phones. Games is another matter.
Again, this mindset is wrong, and market will prove it. It is literally IDENTICAL to the people who thought phones with no physical keyboard were toast. They were simply wrong, and never admitted it. Gaming devices will follow suit.
I was all for the touch keyboards over the physical ones.
But play a 1st person shooter with hardware controls vs touch controls and get back with me.
I am not knocking touch screens. THe best thing to come to mobile devices. But not the end all to everything.
Whenever I read about so-called hardcore gamers for a portable device I can't help but read it as hardcore lamers. It's like calling yourself a hardcore drinker because you can chug a Michelob Ultra.
But seriously, we can all see that having a crap load of physical buttons, just in case a game needs them, without having to cover the display gives you a lot more options in game play design. But why does something so obvious need so much defense?
Remember, the best camera is the one you have on you and we all know that the best smartphone camera pales in comparison to the best DSLR. Bottom line is I'm not going to consider this device because I don't want another device to carry.
I have to laugh at the "you're not a real gamer unless you spend x amount of dollars on a REAL device and play Call of Duty, blah, blah, blah" thing. I think it was on ARS that I saw a thread with these "my shit don't stink" hardcore gamers taking this holier than thou attitude and I had to laugh because . . .
It's a toy, period. Whether you get your gaming yah yahs on an iDevice, a Sony thing or a Nintendo thing, or a MS thing it's about entertainment and enjoyment. If for some reason you're measuring your self-esteem and self-worth in terms of how many kills you have or how many points you've accumulated, I strongly suggest you put the controller down and go outside, go make friends, go learn a skill, go get a job or something.
I have to laugh at the "you're not a real gamer unless you spend x amount of dollars on a REAL device and play Call of Duty, blah, blah, blah" thing. I think it was on ARS that I saw a thread with these "my shit don't stink" hardcore gamers taking this holier than thou attitude and I had to laugh because . . .
It's a toy, period. Whether you get your gaming yah yahs on an iDevice, a Sony thing or a Nintendo thing, or a MS thing it's about entertainment and enjoyment. If for some reason you're measuring your self-esteem and self-worth in terms of how many kills you have or how many points you've accumulated, I strongly suggest you put the controller down and go outside, go make friends, go learn a skill, go get a job or something.
I kind of agree, some people have that mindset. For me being an hardcore gamer just means that I spend a lot of time on games, know much about them and about how video games work in general (most games work the same in a way).
Again, this mindset is wrong, and market will prove it. It is literally IDENTICAL to the people who thought phones with no physical keyboard were toast. They were simply wrong, and never admitted it. Gaming devices will follow suit.
For GAMING, the Vita is the better experience.
But that does not make it the best device for everything. Not being one sided in this debate.
I love the iPad and really can't imagine not having one now. And if I were limited to just one or the other, the iPad wins.
replace the iphone's "home" button with an analog pad and replace the volume up/down buttons with a few "shoulder" buttons on opposite ends of that side. i understand apple's fanaticism w/ regards to simplicity, but i would love to see a couple more [programmable] buttons on the side[s] of the iPhone.
Personally, I find the whole concept of "hard core" gamers offensive. I would agree that the "hard core gamer" as currently defined would be that tiny group of folks that like to sit at a console and play the war games, (and not mobile), but why is this and only this considered to be "hard core gaming"?
The very idea that the only "real" games, or the only games that matter are 3D war simulations with guns and ammo etc. is highly offensive. Gaming has been around since the dawn of civilisation and rarely if ever has it involved military simulations exclusively.
Are those of us that play puzzle games and board games (which require both more skill and more intelligence than running around shooting virtual enemies with our made up space rifles), to believe that we are dilettantes? Not "real" gamers? Why? Because we are smarter and less easily amused than the average "hard core" gamer?
I guess your ignorance on the matter has caught up with you. And this:
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Are those of us that play puzzle games and board games (which require both more skill and more intelligence than running around shooting virtual enemies with our made up space rifles), to believe that we are dilettantes? Not "real" gamers? Why? Because we are smarter and less easily amused than the average "hard core" gamer?
Makes you look every bit as elitist as them. Guess as an Apple user it feels natural, huh?
THESE are hardcore games. And they are not shooters. Many do not require "skill" to be played, because most of them aren't competitive. Others require more of it that 99% of board games. They are meant to be engaging.
Actually, most hardcore gamers agree that the market is currently over-saturated with first person shooters that are repetitive and formulaic.
Furthermore, we have other games that involve first or third person shooting but are far from being Call of Duty or GTA (basically the only kinds of games you seem to think that exist):
Your worldview is embarrassingly America-centric. You should get out and travel the world more often. You'll look less like a boorish Yank.
Sony is headquartered in Japan. They often roll out new products in their home country first. Sony is thinking like Japanese.
They don't celebrate Christmas there; the official state religion is Shinto. The 25th day of December is a regular day (except for this year, since it falls on a Sunday which is in fact normal day off for most Japanese workers).
Yeah, yeah, some of the younger Japanese couples trade extravagent presents as Western consumer practices extend their cultural hegemony over the world, but it's really no long-standing tradition of celebrating Christmas in Japan.
And guess what? They don't celebrate Thanksgiving either!
Note that many U.S. gaming product launches have occurred at large trade shows like CES (January) or E3 (spring). Since the industry historically did not ship product the same day they announce, they would pre-announce to generate hype over the upcoming months.
Apple has changed the game.
but that there's no xmas celebration there for them might be the route cause of trouble.
THESE are hardcore games. And they are not shooters. Many do not require "skill" to be played, because most of them aren't competitive. Others require more of it that 99% of board games. They are meant to be engaging.
Actually, most hardcore gamers agree that the market is currently over-saturated with first person shooters that are repetitive and formulaic.
Wow you don't mention WoW. Some people I know play WoW and they are hardcore whatever definition you use.
My quip about hardcore lamers is sounding apropos. But seriously, why does 8 hours x 14 days of Skyrim make you more "hardcore" than someone who studies/plays chess, Scrabble/WwF, or Angry Birds for as long or longer. I'm studied chess, memorized every 2 and 3 letter words in Scrabble, and made 3 stars on every level of Angry Birds HD but I wouldn't call myself hardcore despite the time and effort put into this entertainment.
For real... I guess there's solace in spending all your waking hours in a fantasy world., but me? I prefer a balance where real life takes precedence.. like getting laid is huge on my list. when you play that many games, somehow the singular instinctual (sex) drive that got us here as a species drives the hardcore gamer to get married to pixels in skyrim. how yikes is that?
Sony, as a business has lost their way, and they completely lost their focus on the customer. vita, no matter how awesome it might be for some people, won't fix that.
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They already do this with PSN accounts.
More powerful?
Just another example of people thinking that they get to redefine language just because they're some kind of uber hardcore game jockey.
If you're stuck somewhere in the middle of nowhere and your car breaks down, how much is your Vita going to help you?
If you're on the road and your boss sends you an important email, what good is your Vita?
If you need to track your finances, what good is your Vita?
Sure - if your life revolves around being a 'cooler' game player than anyone else, feel free to brag about your Vita. But don't give me the crap about it being superior or more powerful or how no one else matters because they don't share your insane fantasy with pixels on a screen.
I have a wifi iPad. I can't send emails when I am on the road with it.
Damn. Who knew?
Again, this mindset is wrong, and market will prove it. It is literally IDENTICAL to the people who thought phones with no physical keyboard were toast. They were simply wrong, and never admitted it. Gaming devices will follow suit.
Whats with the hate?
I'm sorry but you're wrong. Don't fool yourself. The PSP has never been huge, and this device will be no different. QUALITY of gaming is subjective, and not only that, but it appears to matter less and less. People are choosing all-in-one mobile devices over multiple, dedicated-feature mobile devices.
Understand: It makes NO difference if the quality of gameplay (being more traditional aka old style) is better on a joy stick and button device. This is proving to NOT be a purchasing factor. While it may make sense to you, its not making sense to the majority of consumers. The majority are choosing to play simpler games, as the trade off, and gaining the benefits of, 1) A single device, 2) inexpensive titles.
No, that's not what's happening. People that didn't play before are beginning to play on their phones, and may be tempted to get a wii for casual gaming. People that played before on consoles are not ditching them for touch based controls. In your dreams.
Again, this mindset is wrong, and market will prove it. It is literally IDENTICAL to the people who thought phones with no physical keyboard were toast. They were simply wrong, and never admitted it. Gaming devices will follow suit.
You should play more. I always believe in touch controls for phones. Games is another matter.
Again, this mindset is wrong, and market will prove it. It is literally IDENTICAL to the people who thought phones with no physical keyboard were toast. They were simply wrong, and never admitted it. Gaming devices will follow suit.
I was all for the touch keyboards over the physical ones.
But play a 1st person shooter with hardware controls vs touch controls and get back with me.
I am not knocking touch screens. THe best thing to come to mobile devices. But not the end all to everything.
You do get a choice with the Vita.
Whenever I read about so-called hardcore gamers for a portable device I can't help but read it as hardcore lamers. It's like calling yourself a hardcore drinker because you can chug a Michelob Ultra.
But seriously, we can all see that having a crap load of physical buttons, just in case a game needs them, without having to cover the display gives you a lot more options in game play design. But why does something so obvious need so much defense?
Remember, the best camera is the one you have on you and we all know that the best smartphone camera pales in comparison to the best DSLR. Bottom line is I'm not going to consider this device because I don't want another device to carry.
I have to laugh at the "you're not a real gamer unless you spend x amount of dollars on a REAL device and play Call of Duty, blah, blah, blah" thing. I think it was on ARS that I saw a thread with these "my shit don't stink" hardcore gamers taking this holier than thou attitude and I had to laugh because . . .
It's a toy, period. Whether you get your gaming yah yahs on an iDevice, a Sony thing or a Nintendo thing, or a MS thing it's about entertainment and enjoyment. If for some reason you're measuring your self-esteem and self-worth in terms of how many kills you have or how many points you've accumulated, I strongly suggest you put the controller down and go outside, go make friends, go learn a skill, go get a job or something.
I have to laugh at the "you're not a real gamer unless you spend x amount of dollars on a REAL device and play Call of Duty, blah, blah, blah" thing. I think it was on ARS that I saw a thread with these "my shit don't stink" hardcore gamers taking this holier than thou attitude and I had to laugh because . . .
It's a toy, period. Whether you get your gaming yah yahs on an iDevice, a Sony thing or a Nintendo thing, or a MS thing it's about entertainment and enjoyment. If for some reason you're measuring your self-esteem and self-worth in terms of how many kills you have or how many points you've accumulated, I strongly suggest you put the controller down and go outside, go make friends, go learn a skill, go get a job or something.
I kind of agree, some people have that mindset. For me being an hardcore gamer just means that I spend a lot of time on games, know much about them and about how video games work in general (most games work the same in a way).
Again, this mindset is wrong, and market will prove it. It is literally IDENTICAL to the people who thought phones with no physical keyboard were toast. They were simply wrong, and never admitted it. Gaming devices will follow suit.
For GAMING, the Vita is the better experience.
But that does not make it the best device for everything. Not being one sided in this debate.
I love the iPad and really can't imagine not having one now. And if I were limited to just one or the other, the iPad wins.
And maybe thats enough for many.
I want a pure gaming device as well.
And what the fuck is wrong with that?
in the meantime: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/e8f5/
Personally, I find the whole concept of "hard core" gamers offensive. I would agree that the "hard core gamer" as currently defined would be that tiny group of folks that like to sit at a console and play the war games, (and not mobile), but why is this and only this considered to be "hard core gaming"?
The very idea that the only "real" games, or the only games that matter are 3D war simulations with guns and ammo etc. is highly offensive. Gaming has been around since the dawn of civilisation and rarely if ever has it involved military simulations exclusively.
Are those of us that play puzzle games and board games (which require both more skill and more intelligence than running around shooting virtual enemies with our made up space rifles), to believe that we are dilettantes? Not "real" gamers? Why? Because we are smarter and less easily amused than the average "hard core" gamer?
I guess your ignorance on the matter has caught up with you. And this:
Are those of us that play puzzle games and board games (which require both more skill and more intelligence than running around shooting virtual enemies with our made up space rifles), to believe that we are dilettantes? Not "real" gamers? Why? Because we are smarter and less easily amused than the average "hard core" gamer?
Makes you look every bit as elitist as them. Guess as an Apple user it feels natural, huh?
THESE are hardcore games. And they are not shooters. Many do not require "skill" to be played, because most of them aren't competitive. Others require more of it that 99% of board games. They are meant to be engaging.
Actually, most hardcore gamers agree that the market is currently over-saturated with first person shooters that are repetitive and formulaic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myst_IV:_Revelation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarCra...ngs_of_Liberty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeworld
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization_V
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_Rain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wa...e_Old_Republic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Legends
Furthermore, we have other games that involve first or third person shooting but are far from being Call of Duty or GTA (basically the only kinds of games you seem to think that exist):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Life_2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncharted_3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioshock_Infinite
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_Ex:_Human_Revolution
And if you're a Japanese weirdo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_(video_game) (not as bad as the cover makes it look like)
I do agree with SolipsimX that the idea of portable hardcore gaming is ridiculous.
Edit: Oh, and those people that think that COD and Battlefield 3 are "hardcore", the best genre ever, and talk like 15-year old "bros"? Posers.
Your worldview is embarrassingly America-centric. You should get out and travel the world more often. You'll look less like a boorish Yank.
Sony is headquartered in Japan. They often roll out new products in their home country first. Sony is thinking like Japanese.
They don't celebrate Christmas there; the official state religion is Shinto. The 25th day of December is a regular day (except for this year, since it falls on a Sunday which is in fact normal day off for most Japanese workers).
Yeah, yeah, some of the younger Japanese couples trade extravagent presents as Western consumer practices extend their cultural hegemony over the world, but it's really no long-standing tradition of celebrating Christmas in Japan.
And guess what? They don't celebrate Thanksgiving either!
Note that many U.S. gaming product launches have occurred at large trade shows like CES (January) or E3 (spring). Since the industry historically did not ship product the same day they announce, they would pre-announce to generate hype over the upcoming months.
Apple has changed the game.
but that there's no xmas celebration there for them might be the route cause of trouble.
This is brilliant. I just posted something very similar and then saw that you said essentially the same thing first. Kudos.
And you're brilliant too I suppose?
J.
What games, what feedback, what audio fidelity, what frame rate and clarity? Effects? That I cannot experience anywhere else?
That's the bottom line. Weren't Infinity Blade and Rage released alongside the Retina Display (in an overt, gimmicky kinda way) for just this reason?
THESE are hardcore games. And they are not shooters. Many do not require "skill" to be played, because most of them aren't competitive. Others require more of it that 99% of board games. They are meant to be engaging.
Actually, most hardcore gamers agree that the market is currently over-saturated with first person shooters that are repetitive and formulaic.
Wow you don't mention WoW. Some people I know play WoW and they are hardcore whatever definition you use.
J.
Wow you don't mention WoW. Some people I know play WoW and they are hardcore whatever definition you use.
J.
That's even more than hardcore... there should be a word for it lol
AH! What an UGLY UI!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by17MSRUM4s
That's even more than hardcore... there should be a word for it lol
there's a very fine and very unpopular line between "hardcore" gaming and addiction.
a lot of people have crossed over that line with titles like WoW / Skyrim, and Starcraft in the Far East.
My quip about hardcore lamers is sounding apropos. But seriously, why does 8 hours x 14 days of Skyrim make you more "hardcore" than someone who studies/plays chess, Scrabble/WwF, or Angry Birds for as long or longer. I'm studied chess, memorized every 2 and 3 letter words in Scrabble, and made 3 stars on every level of Angry Birds HD but I wouldn't call myself hardcore despite the time and effort put into this entertainment.
For real... I guess there's solace in spending all your waking hours in a fantasy world., but me? I prefer a balance where real life takes precedence.. like getting laid is huge on my list. when you play that many games, somehow the singular instinctual (sex) drive that got us here as a species drives the hardcore gamer to get married to pixels in skyrim. how yikes is that?
Sony, as a business has lost their way, and they completely lost their focus on the customer. vita, no matter how awesome it might be for some people, won't fix that.