Tell that to an artist or people with actual jobs.
Note that he said "pointing device", not writing, drawing etc.
And I have the same question. if I lose my Samsung pen will my Note stop working. Because that was the state of things when Jobs made his comment about tablets with styli. They were device specific and there was little to nothing you could do without it. Not a good place to be.
But even Steve knew there were times folks would want a pen so he didn't tell Jonny etc to block that usage. So folks could use either depending on what they were needing to do.
What modern TV's are really lacking in is great sound quality. My Kuro, the one with the chin speaker has the best sound ever!!!
Totally. The sound quality of TV's in the past five years has just jumped off a cliff... Or, more like sunk into a ditch. I use a pair of KRK Rockit5 ~ lowest end of the KRK range but snob that I am, I would only use reference or monitor type speakers for all audio nowadays. There is a bit of a buzz due to the transformer in the speaker but only if the room is silent and you put your ear right up to it. When you turn on the volume, that's a different case. Well-balanced with excellent, accurate bass for the price (for Trance and Progressive, it's important, because the kick always needs to be heard clearly separated from basslines ~ even if you're listening not creating music). And for Xbox360, does the job nicely.
Unfortunately I can't afford a Kuro
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All excellent points, No Doubt, but actual facts such as the ones you've outlined have never mattered one iota to the likes of Daniel Eran Dilger (aka DeD on Arrival) and his ilk.
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I don't know why the Note is even being compared to the ipad.
Half the size
Makes Calls
Better resolution
Pressure sensitive wacom screen
AMOLED screen
And are people really bitching about the price? Compare it to an unlocked iphone 4S then
Honestly though, completely different.
Good for Samsung for creating this. I would love to see a Note 2 in the future
What sort of apps are planned for this? Will it be Samsung or Android Marketplace. Curious about the app aspect of this.
How is the Tab doing? Curious as well.
As you know I'm reducing my anti-Android stance to keep an eye on happenings there as I try to learn iPad app development.
Note that he said "pointing device", not writing, drawing etc.
And I have the same question. if I lose my Samsung pen will my Note stop working. Because that was the state of things when Jobs made his comment about tablets with styli. They were device specific and there was little to nothing you could do without it. Not a good place to be.
But even Steve knew there were times folks would want a pen so he didn't tell Jonny etc to block that usage. So folks could use either depending on what they were needing to do.
Good question. As for the pen, Yes, AFAIK for example if you lose your Wacom pen you can't just get any stylus, it has to be a similar Wacom-style pen.
I used to lose my Palm Pilot styluses, never could go wrong with their 5-pack of Styluses. Sometimes I'd just use my fingernail, best "pure-PDA" I've ever used... Palm Pilot and HandSpring. Then of course iPod touch and iPhone 3G ~ well, the rest is history.
Yeah it's nice to be able to use styluses with iOS devices. Though it is specialised too because it needs a conducting tip/nib. Which is handy for various applications and gloves! Not just in cold countries, my mum the other day talked about when she plays golf.
The next stage for Apple is both pressure sensitivity but I really wish they can figure out tactile feedback. I'm sure there's a little something something you can stimulate in such a way the tip of your finger "feels" as though it's actually pressed the button. We are all still very physical creatures.
"near Retina" 285ppi Super AMOLED 1280x800 display.
As Solipsismx mentioned in another thread, Apple went overboard with the ppi of the iPhone to the point it had more than was needed to render pixels invisible. The term 'retina display' is therefore inaccurate, I think, if it is to have a technical meaning.
My Samsung S8500 Wave has a 282 ppi AMOLED screen and the individual pixels are not resolvable, so text etc look very crisp and curves are very smooth. DED saying "near Retina" implies inferiority, when in terms of unresolvable pixels, it wouldn't be.
they sold a million in first few weeks. I sold our iPad 2 and am getting a Note, it is a superb device.
I think you missed my point.
I said "It might gain a small following... but will not be a star seller." I wasn't slamming the Galaxy Note anyway... we were talking about stylus-bases phones.
There are 700,000 Android devices activated every day... how many of them are Galaxy Notes?
In the days of Samsung's Galaxy S series selling 30 million... the Galaxy Note will sell a lot fewer.
The Galaxy Note is a superb device... but it probably won't be Samsung's best-selling phone. It's just my guess, though.
I said "It might gain a small following... but will not be a star seller." I wasn't slamming the Galaxy Note anyway... we were talking about stylus-bases phones.
Maybe I'm missing it too...
The Galaxy Note is not a stylus based phone. It works perfect without the styles and the wacom digitizer functions just like a normale capacitive screen (not like the old resistive screens which were 'usable' with a finger(nail) but worked best with a stylus).
So the stylus is purely an extra... An extra I wish the iPad had for taking notes... I bought a number of styli for it, but a capacitive will never give you the precision needed to actually be usable (capacitive with a stylus is like resistive with your finger
The Galaxy Note is not a stylus based phone. It works perfect without the styles and the wacom digitizer functions just like a normale capacitive screen (not like the old resistive screens which were 'usable' with a finger(nail) but worked best with a stylus).
So the stylus is purely an extra... An extra I wish the iPad had for taking notes... I bought a number of styli for it, but a capacitive will never give you the precision needed to actually be usable (capacitive with a stylus is like resistive with your finger
In an earlier comment... we were discussing whether Apple or other companies would start to include a better digitizer and a stylus with their future phones... to mimic the functionality of the Galaxy Note.
I believe that most companies won't. Being able to draw and take notes is a nice feature... but it's hardly a mainstream feature. I don't foresee many new phones to go down this route... if any others do at all.
But you raise a good point. Since you don't have to use the stylus with the Galaxy Note... are people buying it because it comes with a stylus? Or are they buying it because it's a monster-sized phone?
The Galaxy Note may have sold a million phones in a few weeks... but it pales in comparison to other Samsung phones and the rest of the industry as well.
I see the stylus feature of the Galaxy Note fitting a specific niche... not mainstream use. I'll change my tune when Samsung adds a better digitizer and stylus to all their new phones
But you raise a good point. Since you don't have to use the stylus with the Galaxy Note... are people buying it because it comes with a stylus? Or are they buying it because it's a monster-sized phone?
I see the stylus feature of the Galaxy Note fitting a specific niche... not mainstream use. I'll change my tune when Samsung adds a better digitizer and stylus to all their new phones
I would not be surprised if the Wacom touchpanel will end up on more phones/tablets in the future as it has the best of both world... Don't know the pricing compared to a normal multi-touch capacitive screen though...
As an owner of Galaxy Tab (original 7") as well, I must say I prefer the 7" format for a business tablet as it can be tucked away in your inner pocket (I prefer 10" for at home media consumption/browsing etc.). This way you can bring a tablet along without 'bringing a tablet along'. As the Note has a 1280x720 screen on 5" I think a lot of people are seeing it as a viable alternative to a larger tablet without it actually being a tablet and just coping with the fact it's a pretty big phone.
It's hard to tell what reasons people have for buying, but I'm contemplating buying it to replace my 7" tab and my business phone. Carrying one device around like the old days It can replace my phone because it's a phone, and it can replace my tablet as it's just large enough combined with the 720p screen to be used as a tablet. Of course on-screen keyboard is not the 'tablet' experience, but for that we have the stylus to take notes.
And last but not least, the return of the doodle !!! I really miss that using a tablet
And before you regurgitate the shipped vs. sold crap argument, take note that this data is from Dec 29, 2011, so that both shipments to resellers and final sales are higher now.
Has any video been posted showing an artist using this for high quality drawing or painting...
CAD drawings would be interesting too.
Is that the intended use ? I'm sure there are people doing this (like the ones where MS Paint is used with some very impressive results like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2sPl_Z7ZU)
It's for taking notes (hence the name) and drawing simple schematics and such
Any graphics professional would not use it (as any professional photographer will not use the ipad/iphone camera or any of its apps, or any serious editor will not use the ipad for editing video) apart from some simple web-comics etc.
I sure hope Android-curious people get their info elsewhere than AI...
read that article carefully. it says "for upgradeable models." but it does not list which ones those are. that means, some do and some don't get the ICS upgrade. Samsung also allowed everyone to speculate that its original 2010 tablet - that 7" Gingerbread model that shipped 2 million and sold ? - would be upgraded to Honeycomb, but it never was.
And before you regurgitate the shipped vs. sold crap argument, take note that this data is from Dec 29, 2011, so that both shipments to resellers and final sales are higher now.
Thanks for the laugh. And, for proving my point.
Get back to us when you have actual sales numbers.
But, From what I've seen it is an interesting device.
I would like to see pressure-sensitive styluses on larger form factors and more main-stream devices such as the iPad.
Apple has a patent where you place your fingers on the touch surface as if you were holding a stylus -- software triangulates the center and you could draw or write as if you actually had a stylus.
There are apps out there that measure pressure by changes in size/movement/speed of the surface area occupied by the fingers.
I saw a prototype of one app that was able to detect the touch areas made by the palm, heel of the hand, and other fingers -- so their extraneous touches could be ignored.
So, you might be able to do much of this with current hardware and some speciality software.
However, I think there is a use for a pressure-sensitive stylus and a more-granular touch digitizer.
Uses include an iPad alone or with a Mac:
-- as an alternative to a graphics tablet for artists drawings and architects
-- as control surface for A/V editing
-- a telestrator for video
-- real-time video marking of video during ingest (there are cameras that send a WiFi proxy of the video to an iPad as it is being captured)
There is also potential to run VNC remote apps/desktops with more precision -- where you could run Full Windows, OS X, Office, Photoshop, Final Cut from a remote iPad and navigate a UI designed for a kb/mouse.
You get some interesting gaming and entertainment possibilities among iDevices (including the AppleTV) when you consider bi-directional AirPlay, telestrating, drawing, etc.
I remember going to a SigGraph show in the 1980s where there was a booth with a large TV attached to a computer. It was displaying a remote Artist, standing with a palette, painting a scene.
The interesting thing was that the guy at the booth was able to zoom in on the palette and mix and change the colors of the paint while the artist was painting -- the displayed image reflected the changes in real time.
Think of something like that in the hands of someone watching TV...
-- Old Yeller becomes Old blue
-- The NASCAR Number 96 car becomes a vivid lime green... booggity, booggity
-- You glow-highlight the image of specific players during the game
Or something more mundane as a hair stylist drawing/modifying various alternatives on a live video of the customer.
A dress or set designer composing/refining their work in real time (would the models need to be naked? )
A virtual-reality set of hand crafted custom Christmas decorations for your house.
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Tell that to an artist or people with actual jobs.
Note that he said "pointing device", not writing, drawing etc.
And I have the same question. if I lose my Samsung pen will my Note stop working. Because that was the state of things when Jobs made his comment about tablets with styli. They were device specific and there was little to nothing you could do without it. Not a good place to be.
But even Steve knew there were times folks would want a pen so he didn't tell Jonny etc to block that usage. So folks could use either depending on what they were needing to do.
What modern TV's are really lacking in is great sound quality. My Kuro, the one with the chin speaker has the best sound ever!!!
Totally. The sound quality of TV's in the past five years has just jumped off a cliff... Or, more like sunk into a ditch. I use a pair of KRK Rockit5 ~ lowest end of the KRK range but snob that I am, I would only use reference or monitor type speakers for all audio nowadays. There is a bit of a buzz due to the transformer in the speaker but only if the room is silent and you put your ear right up to it. When you turn on the volume, that's a different case. Well-balanced with excellent, accurate bass for the price (for Trance and Progressive, it's important, because the kick always needs to be heard clearly separated from basslines ~ even if you're listening not creating music). And for Xbox360, does the job nicely.
Unfortunately I can't afford a Kuro
All excellent points, No Doubt, but actual facts such as the ones you've outlined have never mattered one iota to the likes of Daniel Eran Dilger (aka DeD on Arrival) and his ilk.
I don't know why the Note is even being compared to the ipad.
Half the size
Makes Calls
Better resolution
Pressure sensitive wacom screen
AMOLED screen
And are people really bitching about the price? Compare it to an unlocked iphone 4S then
Honestly though, completely different.
Good for Samsung for creating this. I would love to see a Note 2 in the future
What sort of apps are planned for this? Will it be Samsung or Android Marketplace. Curious about the app aspect of this.
How is the Tab doing? Curious as well.
As you know I'm reducing my anti-Android stance to keep an eye on happenings there as I try to learn iPad app development.
Note that he said "pointing device", not writing, drawing etc.
And I have the same question. if I lose my Samsung pen will my Note stop working. Because that was the state of things when Jobs made his comment about tablets with styli. They were device specific and there was little to nothing you could do without it. Not a good place to be.
But even Steve knew there were times folks would want a pen so he didn't tell Jonny etc to block that usage. So folks could use either depending on what they were needing to do.
Good question. As for the pen, Yes, AFAIK for example if you lose your Wacom pen you can't just get any stylus, it has to be a similar Wacom-style pen.
I used to lose my Palm Pilot styluses, never could go wrong with their 5-pack of Styluses. Sometimes I'd just use my fingernail, best "pure-PDA" I've ever used... Palm Pilot and HandSpring. Then of course iPod touch and iPhone 3G ~ well, the rest is history.
Yeah it's nice to be able to use styluses with iOS devices. Though it is specialised too because it needs a conducting tip/nib. Which is handy for various applications and gloves! Not just in cold countries, my mum the other day talked about when she plays golf.
The next stage for Apple is both pressure sensitivity but I really wish they can figure out tactile feedback. I'm sure there's a little something something you can stimulate in such a way the tip of your finger "feels" as though it's actually pressed the button. We are all still very physical creatures.
"near Retina" 285ppi Super AMOLED 1280x800 display.
As Solipsismx mentioned in another thread, Apple went overboard with the ppi of the iPhone to the point it had more than was needed to render pixels invisible. The term 'retina display' is therefore inaccurate, I think, if it is to have a technical meaning.
My Samsung S8500 Wave has a 282 ppi AMOLED screen and the individual pixels are not resolvable, so text etc look very crisp and curves are very smooth. DED saying "near Retina" implies inferiority, when in terms of unresolvable pixels, it wouldn't be.
they sold a million in first few weeks. I sold our iPad 2 and am getting a Note, it is a superb device.
they sold a million in first few weeks. I sold our iPad 2 and am getting a Note, it is a superb device.
I think you missed my point.
I said "It might gain a small following... but will not be a star seller." I wasn't slamming the Galaxy Note anyway... we were talking about stylus-bases phones.
There are 700,000 Android devices activated every day... how many of them are Galaxy Notes?
In the days of Samsung's Galaxy S series selling 30 million... the Galaxy Note will sell a lot fewer.
The Galaxy Note is a superb device... but it probably won't be Samsung's best-selling phone. It's just my guess, though.
I think you missed my point.
I said "It might gain a small following... but will not be a star seller." I wasn't slamming the Galaxy Note anyway... we were talking about stylus-bases phones.
Maybe I'm missing it too...
The Galaxy Note is not a stylus based phone. It works perfect without the styles and the wacom digitizer functions just like a normale capacitive screen (not like the old resistive screens which were 'usable' with a finger(nail) but worked best with a stylus).
So the stylus is purely an extra... An extra I wish the iPad had for taking notes... I bought a number of styli for it, but a capacitive will never give you the precision needed to actually be usable (capacitive with a stylus is like resistive with your finger
Maybe I'm missing it too...
The Galaxy Note is not a stylus based phone. It works perfect without the styles and the wacom digitizer functions just like a normale capacitive screen (not like the old resistive screens which were 'usable' with a finger(nail) but worked best with a stylus).
So the stylus is purely an extra... An extra I wish the iPad had for taking notes... I bought a number of styli for it, but a capacitive will never give you the precision needed to actually be usable (capacitive with a stylus is like resistive with your finger
In an earlier comment... we were discussing whether Apple or other companies would start to include a better digitizer and a stylus with their future phones... to mimic the functionality of the Galaxy Note.
I believe that most companies won't. Being able to draw and take notes is a nice feature... but it's hardly a mainstream feature. I don't foresee many new phones to go down this route... if any others do at all.
But you raise a good point. Since you don't have to use the stylus with the Galaxy Note... are people buying it because it comes with a stylus? Or are they buying it because it's a monster-sized phone?
The Galaxy Note may have sold a million phones in a few weeks... but it pales in comparison to other Samsung phones and the rest of the industry as well.
I see the stylus feature of the Galaxy Note fitting a specific niche... not mainstream use. I'll change my tune when Samsung adds a better digitizer and stylus to all their new phones
they sold a million in first few weeks..
Really? How do you know? (Don't bother with some silly analyst/consulting firm/tech guru estimates).
All you Android guys ever do is pull numbers out of your hat.
All you Android guys ever do is pull numbers out of your hat.
Or get them from Eric Schmidt, who pulls them from somewhere else.
But you raise a good point. Since you don't have to use the stylus with the Galaxy Note... are people buying it because it comes with a stylus? Or are they buying it because it's a monster-sized phone?
I see the stylus feature of the Galaxy Note fitting a specific niche... not mainstream use. I'll change my tune when Samsung adds a better digitizer and stylus to all their new phones
I would not be surprised if the Wacom touchpanel will end up on more phones/tablets in the future as it has the best of both world... Don't know the pricing compared to a normal multi-touch capacitive screen though...
As an owner of Galaxy Tab (original 7") as well, I must say I prefer the 7" format for a business tablet as it can be tucked away in your inner pocket (I prefer 10" for at home media consumption/browsing etc.). This way you can bring a tablet along without 'bringing a tablet along'. As the Note has a 1280x720 screen on 5" I think a lot of people are seeing it as a viable alternative to a larger tablet without it actually being a tablet and just coping with the fact it's a pretty big phone.
It's hard to tell what reasons people have for buying, but I'm contemplating buying it to replace my 7" tab and my business phone. Carrying one device around like the old days
And last but not least, the return of the doodle !!! I really miss that using a tablet
Really? How do you know? (Don't bother with some silly analyst/consulting firm/tech guru estimates).
All you Android guys ever do is pull numbers out of your hat.
Or get them from Eric Schmidt, who pulls them from somewhere else.
How about a widely publicized press release from Samsung?
http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-gal...ally-29204930/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/29/1...hrow-money-at/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-573...in-two-months/
http://www.gsmarena.com/1_million_sa...-news-3588.php
http://www.flickr.com/photos/samsungtomorrow/6591558897
And before you regurgitate the shipped vs. sold crap argument, take note that this data is from Dec 29, 2011, so that both shipments to resellers and final sales are higher now.
CAD drawings would be interesting too.
Has any video been posted showing an artist using this for high quality drawing or painting...
CAD drawings would be interesting too.
Is that the intended use ? I'm sure there are people doing this (like the ones where MS Paint is used with some very impressive results like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2sPl_Z7ZU)
It's for taking notes (hence the name) and drawing simple schematics and such
Any graphics professional would not use it (as any professional photographer will not use the ipad/iphone camera or any of its apps, or any serious editor will not use the ipad for editing video) apart from some simple web-comics etc.
Unfortunately I can't afford a Kuro
I bought mine before they stopped selling them and got the previous years model for half price
WTF At first glance I though the picture was comparing screen sizes with the smaller iPhone.
But it is getting ICS.
http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=8894
I sure hope Android-curious people get their info elsewhere than AI...
read that article carefully. it says "for upgradeable models." but it does not list which ones those are. that means, some do and some don't get the ICS upgrade. Samsung also allowed everyone to speculate that its original 2010 tablet - that 7" Gingerbread model that shipped 2 million and sold ? - would be upgraded to Honeycomb, but it never was.
bottom line: Samsung buyers, beware.
How about a widely publicized press release from Samsung?
http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-gal...ally-29204930/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/29/1...hrow-money-at/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-573...in-two-months/
http://www.gsmarena.com/1_million_sa...-news-3588.php
http://www.flickr.com/photos/samsungtomorrow/6591558897
And before you regurgitate the shipped vs. sold crap argument, take note that this data is from Dec 29, 2011, so that both shipments to resellers and final sales are higher now.
Thanks for the laugh.
Get back to us when you have actual sales numbers.
But, From what I've seen it is an interesting device.
I would like to see pressure-sensitive styluses on larger form factors and more main-stream devices such as the iPad.
Apple has a patent where you place your fingers on the touch surface as if you were holding a stylus -- software triangulates the center and you could draw or write as if you actually had a stylus.
There are apps out there that measure pressure by changes in size/movement/speed of the surface area occupied by the fingers.
I saw a prototype of one app that was able to detect the touch areas made by the palm, heel of the hand, and other fingers -- so their extraneous touches could be ignored.
So, you might be able to do much of this with current hardware and some speciality software.
However, I think there is a use for a pressure-sensitive stylus and a more-granular touch digitizer.
Uses include an iPad alone or with a Mac:
-- as an alternative to a graphics tablet for artists drawings and architects
-- as control surface for A/V editing
-- a telestrator for video
-- real-time video marking of video during ingest (there are cameras that send a WiFi proxy of the video to an iPad as it is being captured)
There is also potential to run VNC remote apps/desktops with more precision -- where you could run Full Windows, OS X, Office, Photoshop, Final Cut from a remote iPad and navigate a UI designed for a kb/mouse.
You get some interesting gaming and entertainment possibilities among iDevices (including the AppleTV) when you consider bi-directional AirPlay, telestrating, drawing, etc.
I remember going to a SigGraph show in the 1980s where there was a booth with a large TV attached to a computer. It was displaying a remote Artist, standing with a palette, painting a scene.
The interesting thing was that the guy at the booth was able to zoom in on the palette and mix and change the colors of the paint while the artist was painting -- the displayed image reflected the changes in real time.
Think of something like that in the hands of someone watching TV...
-- Old Yeller becomes Old blue
-- The NASCAR Number 96 car becomes a vivid lime green... booggity, booggity
-- You glow-highlight the image of specific players during the game
Or something more mundane as a hair stylist drawing/modifying various alternatives on a live video of the customer.
A dress or set designer composing/refining their work in real time (would the models need to be naked?
A virtual-reality set of hand crafted custom Christmas decorations for your house.
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