We are aware of most security flaws but since Samsung has released the source code for their phones we were able to remove the market app and the function to install any foreign apps.
Lovely. What an efficient way to increase cost and bottlenecks. You dedicate so much resource and effort into something which you do not need spending. Wondering how long can this mess up with shareholder's money will be tolerated. A little awareness about this costly solutions to non-existent problems destroyed RIM.
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There is a list of pre- approved apps that can be installed and if you want an additional app all you have to do is make a request and the IT department will install it for you.
So, I as a user, need to go to my IT for installing Apps which are not "Pre Approved". Excellent "Open" system. Keep your doors open 24/7 so users can flood in.
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We are also working closely with Google to assure we have the best security solution possible, this includes virus checkers.
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At the end of the day we loved the open OS and the ease at which we were able to adapt current network.
Do you realize these two points contradict? An open system should not force you to consult with the creator.
You already have the same Enterprise solutions with Apple. May not be in Switzerland but in most important countries.
You guys hate Apple for being Control Freak? Do you hear the old English proverb - Pot calling kettle black?
Lovely. What an efficient way to increase cost and bottlenecks. You dedicate so much resource and effort into something which you do not need spending. Wondering how long can this mess up with shareholder's money will be tolerated. A little awareness about this costly solutions to non-existent problems destroyed RIM.
So, I as a user, need to go to my IT for installing Apps which are not "Pre Approved". Excellent "Open" system. Keep your doors open 24/7 so users can flood in.
Do you realize these two points contradict? An open system should not force you to consult with the creator.
You already have the same Enterprise solutions with Apple. May not be in Switzerland but in most important countries.
You guys hate Apple for being Control Freak? Do you hear the old English proverb - Pot calling kettle black?
lol... don't bother.
obviously apple is doomed. that guy provided more "evidence". hilarious... he is trolling right?
obviously apple is doomed. that guy provided more "evidence". hilarious... he is trolling right?
I actually hope some Corporate Executives see what these IT experts are doing - messing up with resources. I mean, things might improve they do not exist. All they care about is keeping users in the dark ages. No wonder Dark and Black is synonimous. That's why Blackberry was their favorit tool.
Can anybody answer why a corporate IT team needs to work closely with Samsung and Google (read waste resources) to ensure a virus/malware free environment where users can download and install Apps without fear when Apple already creted this for them?
Oh stop Im not trolling I'v been on this site for more then 11 years I have been a loyal fan of Apple products ever since my Powerbook 100. I am simply stating that our company has chosen Android as our platform of choice. We did this because of the open architecture the deals we get on bulk purchases and the ease of administration. We are not the only company either that's going in this direction this thread was about Apple not having to wory about Android in the corporate arena and I beleive they do have something to worry about. Just talking Switzerland now please show me a large company that has chosen the iPhone as their phone of choice. Its still Blackberry and now Android.
As I stated in another thread the other day I work for USB in Switzerland. We currently made a large purchase of Android tablets over the last two months. We found the Android platform to be more compatible to our infrastructure and programming languages. Not to mention mounting network drives is a breeze, plus a file manager is a must.
Since the Android programming language is very similar to Java we were able to export many of our trading tools and trade monitors very quickly. The Bloomberg terminal also has many api's available for it that we can use with Android that are just not available for iOS. We got the idea from our American offices as the NYSE, CBOE, NASDAQ and many others use custom software on Android tablets.
Android is also open giving us the ability to rewrite the start page with a LDAP Oracle login. Something that was impossible with the iOS. The open OS also allows us to lock down or remove functions in the settings panel, such as only allowing our intranet network to be used.
I'm sure their are apps that can do some of the things we need but USB prefers to use custom software. Android is just the better platform for companies wanting to make custom solutions in house. Which is mostly every large corporation in the world including governments.
We also deploy iPads as well, the sales division and our executives prefer them. All though we do have a large request for those Asus Sliders, the tablets with the built in keyboard. They are becoming very popular in every division.
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A lot of your comments don't add up so please clarify.
1) You say "everyone" so this is something you tested internally for work?
2) You tested all this but were unaware about upgrading iOS from the device sans iTunes.
3) You think the iPhone is too expensive but are claiming the Galaxy Note is not too expensive despite costing more?
4) You did no testing or assessment of costs and effort to prevent security issues, rogue app updates, installs, etc.?
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Yes internally at work.
Yes the IT department knew of the iTunes limitation but the upper brass still requested the iPhone to be added in the testing lot. We obliged of course.
The Galaxy Note costs 480 chf per unit, the iPhone unlocked costs 720 chf. That was with discounts you can pick up the Galaxy Note at any shop here for 550 chf, 200 less then the iPhone. Check out this site www.digitec.ch, its a very computer shop. Apple iPhones are the most expensive phones.
We are aware of most security flaws but since Samsung has released the source code for their phones we were able to remove the market app and the function to install any foreign apps. There is a list of pre- approved apps that can be installed and if you want an additional app all you have to do is make a request and the IT department will install it for you. This platform is new to us and we will learn as we go. We are also working closely with Google to assure we have the best security solution possible, this includes virus checkers. The exchange server is also not on the internal network.
At the end of the day we loved the open OS and the ease at which we were able to adapt current network.
The obsession of IT speaks to working around its own prospect of doom.
And that may imply buying time through a partnership with like-minded, and just as ill-fated through IP litigation and loosely knitted approach, ...deleterious Google. ITs may find security in kindred spirits, just as you matter-of-factly and defiantly do, but there are no excuses for decision-makers, unless they look for quick fixes for their own job security's sake, to push the obvious 'future-proof' option aside.
Your contemptuous disregard for your employer's honest interest is a testament to your instinct for self-preservation. So kudos to your immediate job security if not to your Corporative idealism... nor to your respect for factual integrity; indeed iOS no longer requires tethering to iTunes for upgrades ...since October 2011 actually.
No corporation in its right mind should, by definition, mingle with a systemic hoarder of data and organic core non-believer in privacy ...unless of course privacy let them access even more privileged data for some future shameless trade opportunity. How very Swiss indeed! Swap tax haven with information haven, money with data, and there you go, ...a marriage threesome Google/Switzerland/USB made in 'havenly' heaven.
No wonder Apple's prospects in the Swiss market aren't what they should normally be; the 'closed system' is too impervious to trading in ...hushed out data manipulation.
Perhaps I'm being pedantic but it's far from being impossible. With the typical setup you have unlimited times to try and only 10,000 options. That might be tedious to check but it could be done within a few days if one really wanted access to your phone.
Als I said, "pretty impossible", not impossibly.
I believe you have three tries before you get a timeout or another hampering measure.
If Apple makes a mistake like RIM or some other platform comes out that is better than the iPhone, they could crash like others have in the past. Innovation comes from all parts of the world. One day an Indian or Chinese company could invent something better. There are more geniuses in China than the entire population of the USA. One of these days it might happen.
And one day I might win the lotto. :-) Yes innovative ideas can come from anywhere but putting them into effective use gets harder and harder as things get bigger. Danger was bought by MS and crushed. Siri was bought by Apple and is now a core feature. Innovation is a lot like developing the greatest lug nut for a car.... but if no automakers will use threads on their wheels that fit your lug nuts, you are out of luck.
As I stated in another thread the other day I work for USB in Switzerland.
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We got the idea from our American offices as the NYSE, CBOE, NASDAQ and many others
I'm sure their are apps that can do some of the things we need but USB prefers to use custom software.
You failed to properly spell the name of the company you claim to work for in your posts, three letters you will see day in, day out, yet seem to cope fine with NASDAQ, NYSE.
It's this very basic error which inclines me to doubt the veracity of your posts.
Unfortunately, if you truly work for UBS, then we readers have to wonder what else you are getting wrong there,
when you can't get the three letter company name right?
Lovely. What an efficient way to increase cost and bottlenecks. You dedicate so much resource and effort into something which you do not need spending. Wondering how long can this mess up with shareholder's money will be tolerated. A little awareness about this costly solutions to non-existent problems destroyed RIM.
So, I as a user, need to go to my IT for installing Apps which are not "Pre Approved". Excellent "Open" system. Keep your doors open 24/7 so users can flood in.
Do you realize these two points contradict? An open system should not force you to consult with the creator.
You already have the same Enterprise solutions with Apple. May not be in Switzerland but in most important countries.
You guys hate Apple for being Control Freak? Do you hear the old English proverb - Pot calling kettle black?
>> I can guess here is that the Appeal of Android is the same that Windows used to enjoy; it's NOT user-centric. That means the IT department has permanent job security and has the company by the balls.
It sounds like he has done his homework, however, and they have something that WORKS FOR THEM. But if the cannot keep up intensive development -- their CUSTOM PHONE is essentially going to force them to buy OLD hardware because they will be stuck on ONE VERSION of the Android OS -- making such a custom phone seems to me a recipe for staying PUT.
>> It's just a corporate culture that doesn't want the staff to do ANYTHING but pre-approved, IT smothered, and draconian security policies. I've worked at a financial services company like this and it took a year for us to get a half backed videoconference going. There was no joy or creativity you might possibly have on a computer, or even walking down the halls. Fine for office drones but I was in Multimedia/Marketing -- trying to give people the impression that our company was "cutting edge". They've since downsized most of the company (they gobble up smaller ones) so it's just as well that everything runs off their server in another state. Seriously, Word and Excel are moving data over a few thousand miles and actually running off a server and your computer is a glorious encrypted "cache" -- though why would anyone want to steal our IP?
Did they HEAR about dumb terminals and perhaps a VAX? Why have desktop computers and laptops if all you are doing is a glorified web service? Save money and run everything off of Google's servers and just hire one guy to create Widgets in Google+ -- you've saved millions and nobody need worry about losing their business secrets -- there are none.
I'm sure a company like this would run the Phone off a Virtual Server. They used to drive people insane with a super slow VPN to get email, which likely cost a large fortune to pay the per minute costs -- all this so they could use the "low cost hardware."
Companies are installing iPads and iPhones based on superficial "it's cool" syndrome from the Executives -- let's not deny that. RARELY are business decisions like this REALLY about technology as the geeks are relegated to a closet, and the CEO hires people who like Football.
ON the other hand, companies that are making CUSTOM ANDROID PHONES, are likely anal, security intense, joy-less black holes of monitored work that will suck the life out of you in two years or less.
You failed to properly spell the name of the company you claim to work for in your posts, three letters you will see day in, day out, yet seem to cope fine with NASDAQ, NYSE.
It's this very basic error which inclines me to doubt the veracity of your posts.
Unfortunately, if you truly work for UBS, then we readers have to wonder what else you are getting wrong there,
when you can't get the three letter company name right?
Out of all the companies to work for that could be much more impressive I chose a bank. Get over it I switched two letters around once at 03:00 am on a Monday morning. You know what you win the iPhone is the best option for all the companies in the world. Gosh your petty your almost as bad as those who post about mistakes in peoples grammer. You knew what I meant don't be such a d**k about it. I can't tell you how many internal emails I've read in the last 4 years with UBS being spelled as USB. It's a common mistake. One finger is faster then the other when typing big woop. Man you pissed me off, I have better things to do then make up fantasy jobs and if I did I would have chosen something more intersting then a bank. Ooooh congratulations you found me out I'm really a fry girl at a local McDonalds.
if you knew what I meant in the first place why did you have to say anything. Anytime someone says anything negative about Apple or recommend a product outside of the Apple line up their is always a person like you who studies that persons post and looks for the dumbest reason to discredit him. Congrats man you found me out I'm a horrible speller you know it's hard enough for me to even type in this language let alone express my true feelings towards people like you so I'm just going to say. If you don't have something constructive to say please keep it to your self.
Gosh your petty your almost as bad as those who post about mistakes in peoples grammar...
etc etc etc
Wow, you're so rattled by my post, I hope you're not in a position where you meet people from outside the company, you'll leave them with a poor impression of the bank and potentially lose clients and money.
We in this forum now know there's somebody who works for UBS in Switzerland who's quick to become abusive merely because his post is challenged and not taken at face value.
As for bad spelling and grammar, it's a barrier to effective communication, which can have severe consequences.
If you type "I work for USB in Switzerland" how is the reader meant to work out that you actually work for UBS?
After all, you could be working for the Universitätsspital Basel (University Hospital in Basel), which is known as the USB:
Going back to topic, I can't help but wonder if a lot of software is buggy as a result of coders' poor spelling of the languages used to create applications. Yes, most coding tools can auto-correct spelling and syntax, but it's not perfect and can even introduce errors.
Oh stop Im not trolling I'v been on this site for more then 11 years I have been a loyal fan of Apple products ever since my Powerbook 100. I am simply stating that our company has chosen Android as our platform of choice. We did this because of the open architecture the deals we get on bulk purchases and the ease of administration. We are not the only company either that's going in this direction this thread was about Apple not having to wory about Android in the corporate arena and I beleive they do have something to worry about. Just talking Switzerland now please show me a large company that has chosen the iPhone as their phone of choice. Its still Blackberry and now Android.
Actually, if you go through the article you will realize that now companies are NOT choosing the devices (Android or Blackberry or iOS) their employees will use, they allow employees to make that decision.
Users no longer willing to tolerate the craps you IT guys fed them.
Users no longer willing to tolerate the craps you IT guys fed them.
Wait are saying that users are throwing back their free business phones from the company that pays their salary's because their upset at the lack of free choice. Look I personally don't care which smart phone my company chose for our company as far as I'm concern they all get the job done. Receive emails, check, answer email, check. I just cant believe a user would get so upset over the free phone they got. Yes their are rules that go with that new phone like you cant install all the software that suits you but that's to expected. You can play Angry Birds on your private phone.
Wait are saying that users are throwing back their free business phones from the company that pays their salary's because their upset at the lack of free choice. Look I personally don't care which smart phone my company chose for our company as far as I'm concern they all get the job done. Receive emails, check, answer email, check. I just cant believe a user would get so upset over the free phone they got. Yes their are rules that go with that new phone like you cant install all the software that suits you but that's to expected. You can play Angry Birds on your private phone.
The unfortunate thing about corporate IT is that a lot of time and resource is spent by the rest of the organisation adapting to how the IT people want them to use the equipment and software, rather than as it should be, the IT people adapting the systems to how people work within the organisation.
Yes, all the different smartphones can retrieve email, but each have their own little characteristics, surely an employee will be most productive with the system they're most familiar and content with?
Any car in good working order gets you from A to B safely, yet we have many manufacturers, each offering many different models.
Messing around with making custom ROMs for sending and receiving email is akin to building a custom car from scratch merely for travelling from A to B.
It's a waste of time and resource when there are so many suitable solutions available ready made "off the shelf".
Messing around with making custom ROMs for sending and receiving email is akin to building a custom car from scratch merely for travelling from A to B.
It's a waste of time and resource when there are so many suitable solutions available ready made "off the shelf".
Man I hate car analogies but using one for the spirit of your response. What if you car requires the ability to be amphibious or be able to cross the hard and tedious terrain of Antarctica. There is no Ford dealership in which you can walk in and purchase said vehicle you have to build it yourself our find a private organization that can build it for you. I don't know of any fortune 500 company's that use 100 percent out of the box solutions. They either build the solutions they need that aren't available on a shelf at Best Buy themselves or go with a firm to do it for them.
Plus I never said we were creating a custom email solution but a custom login for our Android tablets to securely log into our trading network. Currently there are no out of the box solutions out there for what needs to be done as this is a custom piece of software and server ware to begin with.
So its not a waste of time to develop this . Please never assume you know what your talking about unless you have all the facts. Guessing isn't really helpful for anyone.
Man I hate car analogies but using one for the spirit of your response. What if you car requires the ability to be amphibious or be able to cross the hard and tedious terrain of Antarctica. There is no Ford dealership in which you can walk in and purchase said vehicle you have to build it yourself our find a private organization that can build it for you. I don't know of any fortune 500 company's that use 100 percent out of the box solutions. They either build the solutions they need that aren't available on a shelf at Best Buy themselves or go with a firm to do it for them.
Plus I never said we were creating a custom email solution but a custom login for our Android tablets to securely log into our trading network. Currently there are no out of the box solutions out there for what needs to be done as this is a custom piece of software and server ware to begin with.
So its not a waste of time to develop this . Please never assume you know what your talking about unless you have all the facts. Guessing isn't really helpful for anyone.
Enterprise customers create custom apps for their ipads all of the time. And no, you don't need itunes in any way.
Enterprise customers create custom apps for their ipads all of the time. And no, you don't need itunes in any way.
Oh I'm sure they do but Android offers more choice in programming languages. We are using Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and soon Pearl. Plus you have full control over your data with filemanagers and terminals in which you can use traditional cli commands like cp, mv, awk, rm and so on. In fact we were able to compile and install pretty much every cli command we use on our Oracle/Solaris servers and workstations onto the tablets. Which is imortant when you have a script that get's data from a mounted drive which can be done on the OS level, appends to the data, then saves it.
The coolest thing was when we got X11 working, we can now display every tool we have that is on our Unix system. Plus with Citrix you also get a Windows enviroment when needed, yes their is also a iPad version but it is not as feature rich. Plus you are limited when you need data from your local drive. The iPad only had access to one directory, the Citrix diretory it makes. Android on the other hand has full access to the entire drive.
The iTunes thing is farely new and we made our descision before this fix. You still need iTunes for some tasks though. We really went with Android due to other banks and exchanges using it. We contacted quite a few firms who also went threw the same ordeal. Our traders are now using them on the trading floor replacing Windows tablets we had there.
The iPad's are great but for the consumer. Yes they do offer functionality that can be benificial to companys but not all of them. Why can't people just except that Apple can't do everything with just one device. iOS is a great phone OS but it needs to be more like OSX for the tablet version. The iPad has already cannibalized the entire Mac line so there is no excuse for not making the iPad OS more powerfull.
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We are aware of most security flaws but since Samsung has released the source code for their phones we were able to remove the market app and the function to install any foreign apps.
Lovely. What an efficient way to increase cost and bottlenecks. You dedicate so much resource and effort into something which you do not need spending. Wondering how long can this mess up with shareholder's money will be tolerated. A little awareness about this costly solutions to non-existent problems destroyed RIM.
There is a list of pre- approved apps that can be installed and if you want an additional app all you have to do is make a request and the IT department will install it for you.
So, I as a user, need to go to my IT for installing Apps which are not "Pre Approved". Excellent "Open" system. Keep your doors open 24/7 so users can flood in.
We are also working closely with Google to assure we have the best security solution possible, this includes virus checkers.
At the end of the day we loved the open OS and the ease at which we were able to adapt current network.
Do you realize these two points contradict? An open system should not force you to consult with the creator.
You already have the same Enterprise solutions with Apple. May not be in Switzerland but in most important countries.
You guys hate Apple for being Control Freak? Do you hear the old English proverb - Pot calling kettle black?
Lovely. What an efficient way to increase cost and bottlenecks. You dedicate so much resource and effort into something which you do not need spending. Wondering how long can this mess up with shareholder's money will be tolerated. A little awareness about this costly solutions to non-existent problems destroyed RIM.
So, I as a user, need to go to my IT for installing Apps which are not "Pre Approved". Excellent "Open" system. Keep your doors open 24/7 so users can flood in.
Do you realize these two points contradict? An open system should not force you to consult with the creator.
You already have the same Enterprise solutions with Apple. May not be in Switzerland but in most important countries.
You guys hate Apple for being Control Freak? Do you hear the old English proverb - Pot calling kettle black?
lol... don't bother.
obviously apple is doomed. that guy provided more "evidence".
lol... don't bother.
obviously apple is doomed. that guy provided more "evidence".
I actually hope some Corporate Executives see what these IT experts are doing - messing up with resources. I mean, things might improve they do not exist. All they care about is keeping users in the dark ages. No wonder Dark and Black is synonimous. That's why Blackberry was their favorit tool.
Can anybody answer why a corporate IT team needs to work closely with Samsung and Google (read waste resources) to ensure a virus/malware free environment where users can download and install Apps without fear when Apple already creted this for them?
I've not heard of your company, what does it do?
Do you have a web link?
http://www.ubs.com/ch/en.html its the largest bank in Switzerland and ranks number 15 in the world.
As I stated in another thread the other day I work for USB in Switzerland. We currently made a large purchase of Android tablets over the last two months. We found the Android platform to be more compatible to our infrastructure and programming languages. Not to mention mounting network drives is a breeze, plus a file manager is a must.
Since the Android programming language is very similar to Java we were able to export many of our trading tools and trade monitors very quickly. The Bloomberg terminal also has many api's available for it that we can use with Android that are just not available for iOS. We got the idea from our American offices as the NYSE, CBOE, NASDAQ and many others use custom software on Android tablets.
Android is also open giving us the ability to rewrite the start page with a LDAP Oracle login. Something that was impossible with the iOS. The open OS also allows us to lock down or remove functions in the settings panel, such as only allowing our intranet network to be used.
I'm sure their are apps that can do some of the things we need but USB prefers to use custom software. Android is just the better platform for companies wanting to make custom solutions in house. Which is mostly every large corporation in the world including governments.
We also deploy iPads as well, the sales division and our executives prefer them. All though we do have a large request for those Asus Sliders, the tablets with the built in keyboard. They are becoming very popular in every division.
A lot of your comments don't add up so please clarify.
1) You say "everyone" so this is something you tested internally for work?
2) You tested all this but were unaware about upgrading iOS from the device sans iTunes.
3) You think the iPhone is too expensive but are claiming the Galaxy Note is not too expensive despite costing more?
4) You did no testing or assessment of costs and effort to prevent security issues, rogue app updates, installs, etc.?
Yes internally at work.
Yes the IT department knew of the iTunes limitation but the upper brass still requested the iPhone to be added in the testing lot. We obliged of course.
The Galaxy Note costs 480 chf per unit, the iPhone unlocked costs 720 chf. That was with discounts you can pick up the Galaxy Note at any shop here for 550 chf, 200 less then the iPhone. Check out this site www.digitec.ch, its a very computer shop. Apple iPhones are the most expensive phones.
We are aware of most security flaws but since Samsung has released the source code for their phones we were able to remove the market app and the function to install any foreign apps. There is a list of pre- approved apps that can be installed and if you want an additional app all you have to do is make a request and the IT department will install it for you. This platform is new to us and we will learn as we go. We are also working closely with Google to assure we have the best security solution possible, this includes virus checkers. The exchange server is also not on the internal network.
At the end of the day we loved the open OS and the ease at which we were able to adapt current network.
The obsession of IT speaks to working around its own prospect of doom.
And that may imply buying time through a partnership with like-minded, and just as ill-fated through IP litigation and loosely knitted approach, ...deleterious Google. ITs may find security in kindred spirits, just as you matter-of-factly and defiantly do, but there are no excuses for decision-makers, unless they look for quick fixes for their own job security's sake, to push the obvious 'future-proof' option aside.
Your contemptuous disregard for your employer's honest interest is a testament to your instinct for self-preservation. So kudos to your immediate job security if not to your Corporative idealism... nor to your respect for factual integrity; indeed iOS no longer requires tethering to iTunes for upgrades ...since October 2011 actually.
No corporation in its right mind should, by definition, mingle with a systemic hoarder of data and organic core non-believer in privacy ...unless of course privacy let them access even more privileged data for some future shameless trade opportunity. How very Swiss indeed! Swap tax haven with information haven, money with data, and there you go, ...a marriage threesome Google/Switzerland/USB made in 'havenly' heaven.
No wonder Apple's prospects in the Swiss market aren't what they should normally be; the 'closed system' is too impervious to trading in ...hushed out data manipulation.
Perhaps I'm being pedantic but it's far from being impossible. With the typical setup you have unlimited times to try and only 10,000 options. That might be tedious to check but it could be done within a few days if one really wanted access to your phone.
Als I said, "pretty impossible", not impossibly.
I believe you have three tries before you get a timeout or another hampering measure.
J.
If Apple makes a mistake like RIM or some other platform comes out that is better than the iPhone, they could crash like others have in the past. Innovation comes from all parts of the world. One day an Indian or Chinese company could invent something better. There are more geniuses in China than the entire population of the USA. One of these days it might happen.
And one day I might win the lotto. :-) Yes innovative ideas can come from anywhere but putting them into effective use gets harder and harder as things get bigger. Danger was bought by MS and crushed. Siri was bought by Apple and is now a core feature. Innovation is a lot like developing the greatest lug nut for a car.... but if no automakers will use threads on their wheels that fit your lug nuts, you are out of luck.
Just a thought,
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http://www.ubs.com/ch/en.html its the largest bank in Switzerland and ranks number 15 in the world.
I know UBS very well.
As I stated in another thread the other day I work for USB in Switzerland.
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We got the idea from our American offices as the NYSE, CBOE, NASDAQ and many others
I'm sure their are apps that can do some of the things we need but USB prefers to use custom software.
You failed to properly spell the name of the company you claim to work for in your posts, three letters you will see day in, day out, yet seem to cope fine with NASDAQ, NYSE.
It's this very basic error which inclines me to doubt the veracity of your posts.
Unfortunately, if you truly work for UBS, then we readers have to wonder what else you are getting wrong there,
when you can't get the three letter company name right?
Lovely. What an efficient way to increase cost and bottlenecks. You dedicate so much resource and effort into something which you do not need spending. Wondering how long can this mess up with shareholder's money will be tolerated. A little awareness about this costly solutions to non-existent problems destroyed RIM.
So, I as a user, need to go to my IT for installing Apps which are not "Pre Approved". Excellent "Open" system. Keep your doors open 24/7 so users can flood in.
Do you realize these two points contradict? An open system should not force you to consult with the creator.
You already have the same Enterprise solutions with Apple. May not be in Switzerland but in most important countries.
You guys hate Apple for being Control Freak? Do you hear the old English proverb - Pot calling kettle black?
>> I can guess here is that the Appeal of Android is the same that Windows used to enjoy; it's NOT user-centric. That means the IT department has permanent job security and has the company by the balls.
It sounds like he has done his homework, however, and they have something that WORKS FOR THEM. But if the cannot keep up intensive development -- their CUSTOM PHONE is essentially going to force them to buy OLD hardware because they will be stuck on ONE VERSION of the Android OS -- making such a custom phone seems to me a recipe for staying PUT.
>> It's just a corporate culture that doesn't want the staff to do ANYTHING but pre-approved, IT smothered, and draconian security policies. I've worked at a financial services company like this and it took a year for us to get a half backed videoconference going. There was no joy or creativity you might possibly have on a computer, or even walking down the halls. Fine for office drones but I was in Multimedia/Marketing -- trying to give people the impression that our company was "cutting edge". They've since downsized most of the company (they gobble up smaller ones) so it's just as well that everything runs off their server in another state. Seriously, Word and Excel are moving data over a few thousand miles and actually running off a server and your computer is a glorious encrypted "cache" -- though why would anyone want to steal our IP?
Did they HEAR about dumb terminals and perhaps a VAX? Why have desktop computers and laptops if all you are doing is a glorified web service? Save money and run everything off of Google's servers and just hire one guy to create Widgets in Google+ -- you've saved millions and nobody need worry about losing their business secrets -- there are none.
I'm sure a company like this would run the Phone off a Virtual Server. They used to drive people insane with a super slow VPN to get email, which likely cost a large fortune to pay the per minute costs -- all this so they could use the "low cost hardware."
Companies are installing iPads and iPhones based on superficial "it's cool" syndrome from the Executives -- let's not deny that. RARELY are business decisions like this REALLY about technology as the geeks are relegated to a closet, and the CEO hires people who like Football.
ON the other hand, companies that are making CUSTOM ANDROID PHONES, are likely anal, security intense, joy-less black holes of monitored work that will suck the life out of you in two years or less.
I know UBS very well.
You failed to properly spell the name of the company you claim to work for in your posts, three letters you will see day in, day out, yet seem to cope fine with NASDAQ, NYSE.
It's this very basic error which inclines me to doubt the veracity of your posts.
Unfortunately, if you truly work for UBS, then we readers have to wonder what else you are getting wrong there,
when you can't get the three letter company name right?
Out of all the companies to work for that could be much more impressive I chose a bank. Get over it I switched two letters around once at 03:00 am on a Monday morning. You know what you win the iPhone is the best option for all the companies in the world. Gosh your petty your almost as bad as those who post about mistakes in peoples grammer. You knew what I meant don't be such a d**k about it. I can't tell you how many internal emails I've read in the last 4 years with UBS being spelled as USB. It's a common mistake. One finger is faster then the other when typing big woop. Man you pissed me off, I have better things to do then make up fantasy jobs and if I did I would have chosen something more intersting then a bank. Ooooh congratulations you found me out I'm really a fry girl at a local McDonalds.
if you knew what I meant in the first place why did you have to say anything. Anytime someone says anything negative about Apple or recommend a product outside of the Apple line up their is always a person like you who studies that persons post and looks for the dumbest reason to discredit him. Congrats man you found me out I'm a horrible speller you know it's hard enough for me to even type in this language let alone express my true feelings towards people like you so I'm just going to say. If you don't have something constructive to say please keep it to your self.
Gosh your petty your almost as bad as those who post about mistakes in peoples grammar...
etc etc etc
Wow, you're so rattled by my post, I hope you're not in a position where you meet people from outside the company, you'll leave them with a poor impression of the bank and potentially lose clients and money.
We in this forum now know there's somebody who works for UBS in Switzerland who's quick to become abusive merely because his post is challenged and not taken at face value.
As for bad spelling and grammar, it's a barrier to effective communication, which can have severe consequences.
If you type "I work for USB in Switzerland" how is the reader meant to work out that you actually work for UBS?
After all, you could be working for the Universitätsspital Basel (University Hospital in Basel), which is known as the USB:
www.usb.ch
Going back to topic, I can't help but wonder if a lot of software is buggy as a result of coders' poor spelling of the languages used to create applications. Yes, most coding tools can auto-correct spelling and syntax, but it's not perfect and can even introduce errors.
Oh stop Im not trolling I'v been on this site for more then 11 years I have been a loyal fan of Apple products ever since my Powerbook 100. I am simply stating that our company has chosen Android as our platform of choice. We did this because of the open architecture the deals we get on bulk purchases and the ease of administration. We are not the only company either that's going in this direction this thread was about Apple not having to wory about Android in the corporate arena and I beleive they do have something to worry about. Just talking Switzerland now please show me a large company that has chosen the iPhone as their phone of choice. Its still Blackberry and now Android.
Actually, if you go through the article you will realize that now companies are NOT choosing the devices (Android or Blackberry or iOS) their employees will use, they allow employees to make that decision.
Users no longer willing to tolerate the craps you IT guys fed them.
Users no longer willing to tolerate the craps you IT guys fed them.
Wait are saying that users are throwing back their free business phones from the company that pays their salary's because their upset at the lack of free choice. Look I personally don't care which smart phone my company chose for our company as far as I'm concern they all get the job done. Receive emails, check, answer email, check. I just cant believe a user would get so upset over the free phone they got. Yes their are rules that go with that new phone like you cant install all the software that suits you but that's to expected. You can play Angry Birds on your private phone.
Wait are saying that users are throwing back their free business phones from the company that pays their salary's because their upset at the lack of free choice. Look I personally don't care which smart phone my company chose for our company as far as I'm concern they all get the job done. Receive emails, check, answer email, check. I just cant believe a user would get so upset over the free phone they got. Yes their are rules that go with that new phone like you cant install all the software that suits you but that's to expected. You can play Angry Birds on your private phone.
The unfortunate thing about corporate IT is that a lot of time and resource is spent by the rest of the organisation adapting to how the IT people want them to use the equipment and software, rather than as it should be, the IT people adapting the systems to how people work within the organisation.
Yes, all the different smartphones can retrieve email, but each have their own little characteristics, surely an employee will be most productive with the system they're most familiar and content with?
Any car in good working order gets you from A to B safely, yet we have many manufacturers, each offering many different models.
Messing around with making custom ROMs for sending and receiving email is akin to building a custom car from scratch merely for travelling from A to B.
It's a waste of time and resource when there are so many suitable solutions available ready made "off the shelf".
Messing around with making custom ROMs for sending and receiving email is akin to building a custom car from scratch merely for travelling from A to B.
It's a waste of time and resource when there are so many suitable solutions available ready made "off the shelf".
Man I hate car analogies but using one for the spirit of your response. What if you car requires the ability to be amphibious or be able to cross the hard and tedious terrain of Antarctica. There is no Ford dealership in which you can walk in and purchase said vehicle you have to build it yourself our find a private organization that can build it for you. I don't know of any fortune 500 company's that use 100 percent out of the box solutions. They either build the solutions they need that aren't available on a shelf at Best Buy themselves or go with a firm to do it for them.
Plus I never said we were creating a custom email solution but a custom login for our Android tablets to securely log into our trading network. Currently there are no out of the box solutions out there for what needs to be done as this is a custom piece of software and server ware to begin with.
So its not a waste of time to develop this . Please never assume you know what your talking about unless you have all the facts. Guessing isn't really helpful for anyone.
Man I hate car analogies but using one for the spirit of your response. What if you car requires the ability to be amphibious or be able to cross the hard and tedious terrain of Antarctica. There is no Ford dealership in which you can walk in and purchase said vehicle you have to build it yourself our find a private organization that can build it for you. I don't know of any fortune 500 company's that use 100 percent out of the box solutions. They either build the solutions they need that aren't available on a shelf at Best Buy themselves or go with a firm to do it for them.
Plus I never said we were creating a custom email solution but a custom login for our Android tablets to securely log into our trading network. Currently there are no out of the box solutions out there for what needs to be done as this is a custom piece of software and server ware to begin with.
So its not a waste of time to develop this . Please never assume you know what your talking about unless you have all the facts. Guessing isn't really helpful for anyone.
Enterprise customers create custom apps for their ipads all of the time. And no, you don't need itunes in any way.
Enterprise customers create custom apps for their ipads all of the time. And no, you don't need itunes in any way.
Oh I'm sure they do but Android offers more choice in programming languages. We are using Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and soon Pearl. Plus you have full control over your data with filemanagers and terminals in which you can use traditional cli commands like cp, mv, awk, rm and so on. In fact we were able to compile and install pretty much every cli command we use on our Oracle/Solaris servers and workstations onto the tablets. Which is imortant when you have a script that get's data from a mounted drive which can be done on the OS level, appends to the data, then saves it.
The coolest thing was when we got X11 working, we can now display every tool we have that is on our Unix system. Plus with Citrix you also get a Windows enviroment when needed, yes their is also a iPad version but it is not as feature rich. Plus you are limited when you need data from your local drive. The iPad only had access to one directory, the Citrix diretory it makes. Android on the other hand has full access to the entire drive.
The iTunes thing is farely new and we made our descision before this fix. You still need iTunes for some tasks though. We really went with Android due to other banks and exchanges using it. We contacted quite a few firms who also went threw the same ordeal. Our traders are now using them on the trading floor replacing Windows tablets we had there.
The iPad's are great but for the consumer. Yes they do offer functionality that can be benificial to companys but not all of them. Why can't people just except that Apple can't do everything with just one device. iOS is a great phone OS but it needs to be more like OSX for the tablet version. The iPad has already cannibalized the entire Mac line so there is no excuse for not making the iPad OS more powerfull.
The iPad has already cannibalized the entire Mac line?
Could you explain this?