Well, I even think an iPad that you can write will kill half of the notebook market. Remember when we only have papers and typewriter? Not much people go with typewriter. If iPad can make writing cool again...
I think Apple doesn't see the point of having Stylus for the phone. Period. (and that when Steve Yucked about Stylus (at iPhone event).
For iPad, I think Apple waiting for retina display first. Remember when you write on retina display it will be just like you write on paper. No jagged edge. When it can be lagless, and CPU & battery allows, we will see this on iPad.
I agree 100%. Ultimate portability and a stylus don't go together. The screen is too small and you're likely to lose the stylus.
Retina iPad with digitiser stylus would definitely be awesome though. I do hope Apple have this in their pipeline. Not only would it work well as a stand-alone device, it'd make for a highly versatile computer input device.
if the software and the stylus are well buit, with a very nice not the application that could understand when we are trying to draw figures, referentials, etc, very good for notes during classes... wouldn't it be great? all of your class appointments in one device. perfect for school.
for writting a great stylus with great hardware and software would be pretty good. fingers aren't as good, that's why we use pencils and pens. what am i missing?
No it wouldn't be great. My handwriting is terrible. I type when I can to avoid writing. Much better chance for all involved to be able to read it I never want a stylus.
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Plus, you don't tend to get new customers by insulting the very people you seek to attract.
Actually I don't think they are trying to appeal to Apple fans at all. I think Samsung is trying to speak to all those who dislike Apple and sway them to their side. In other words, they are trying to gain the other Android customers and people who still have feature phones but who have a dislike for Apple. You won't show this to Apple users and make them feel ashamed of their phone and make them switch.
No it wouldn't be great. My handwriting is terrible. I type when I can to avoid writing. Much better chance for all involved to be able to read it I never want a stylus.
I like using styli for solving math equations. I type out equations if I have to but I can never get to the answer as fast or with the same clarity. Maybe I'm jut old and need to learn to use LaTeX style text expressions in place of way I was taught but I don't think that will happen.
My take is that people who buy iPhones also by televisions. I don't understand how Samsung thinks that insulting 37m people, just the iPhone 4s owners, is a smart marketing move.
If I'm so dumb that I bought an iPhone, why would I dumb enough to by a Samsung TV?
That's cute. The Mitsubishi laptop cost $6000 and was only thinner by half a hairs width when you compare it against the thick end of a MacBook Air, but instead of the MacBook Air, the casing was the same width at all edges. The MacBook Air is wedge-shaped, so not only is it much thinner on average, but it's also thinner if you measure about 1 cm or less from its thickest corner. Also, the statement that the MacBook Air was the thinnest laptop on the market was still technically correct, since this Mitsubishi laptop wasn't actually for sale anymore, when the MBA was released.
As for the 'iPhone popularized multi-touch finger touch-screens': didn't I *explicitly* mention that this statement doesn't mean Apple *invented* multi-touch, or that it was first to market with it? While the Prada may have had a capacitive touch screen (I don't see any mention of multi touch anywhere by the way), the way it used it probably sucked big time, because nobody remembers the thing anymore, and I can't say I've ever heard someone mention it as something truly new and awesome, as opposed to when the iPhone came out (which, if you try to go back in time you will realize, was widely believed to become one massive failure before it came out, by about everyone in the industry).
You don't understand. A stylus is old tech, and the screen is too big and too small. Is that too hard to get?
Look - if a stylus was any good, Apple would have one. And if the screen size was any good, Apple would have one.
You can't argue with that logic.
Yeah I just wear a men's medium glove and the fingers still have a bit of extra, but smalls are too small. I have absolutely no desire for a 5.3" screen on a phone. I don't need to cover the entire side of my head while I talk on the phone
It's funny, Sammy didn't have a shot of someone holding the phone to his/her head. That would have looked ridiculous. They should have made it just a tablet and not a phone.
Plus, I'm sure Sammy would sell the stylus for $150 too as people will lose it.
In Sammy's future product line, a 6.1" Phone/tablet.
I think the anti-pen crowd (including the late Steven P Jobs) has missed the point entirely. And such is reasonable in light of the fact that Steve Jobs wasn't always right. Yes, he's right to prioritize touch. No question. But he was wrong to assume that no one would ever need or want to use a pen in those cases (however rare one wishes to argue they are) that one needs precision.
Honestly, I would love to have an iOS device that lets me focus on touch manipulation 95% of the time, but then gives me the power to use a pressure sensitive pen or paint brush to do some dazzling creative stuff. And giving me that power is by no means "bringing back the pen" or "doing something that has failed in the past." What failed in the past were devices that prioritized the pen over touch. What has made the iPad and iPhone a success was Steve Jobs insistence that TOUCH get the priority. The problem is that Steve was so adamant about touch that he refused to give thought to anyone ever wanting a pen for any reason. His sheer hatred for the pen/stylus drove him to insanity. His iOS devices are insanely great, but the insanity pertains to the parts he left out -- parts that we don't notice at first, but over time we start to desire.
The good news is that all Apple has to do to deflate Samsung's pride is just secretly add support for pressure sensitive pen devices. That would not be what Steve Jobs would have done. But then again, Steve Jobs himself wanted Apple execs to make their own decisions so Apple wouldn't become like Disney after their founder died, perpetually asking "what would Walt have done in this situation." Apple should gauge consumer demand for such features and then go for it. They have nothing to lose in doing so, and it's not like everyone will stop focusing on touch and go with a pen primarily. The pen has it's place, and it shouldn't be completely ignored.
Problem is that some people on this site tend to take everything SJ says as absolute truth and will go to great lengths to defend it. Its unfortunate really, because SJ's way is not the only way.
A while back, I was attacked / laughed at for suggesting the idea that, to me, the ipad would be significantly more useful if it included a stylus. I outlined my specific uses that a stylus would improve upon. In response, I was told to get with the times and to gtfo and buy a windows tablet (which I actually had at one point).
Wrt to the commerical, I feel that samsung missed the point. You want to attack the iphone, not its users because those are you potential constomers. If they want to attack the iphone, I think something like the og droid commerical works a lot better.
I can agree to that. The first ad was good for the fence sitters. Unnecessary for the Android fans and useless for the Apple fans.
They dragged it out for too long and the only thing that saved this commercial IMO was the deviation in the middle into the song and dance. Useless but still fun.
And yea the ads were lame. The game was awesome.
Go Giants!!
The Saints threw Mardi Gras beads from the float when they paraded. What should Giants throw from the float at the Super Bowl parade?
The focus of Samsung's commercial seems totally off. Their ads depict iPhone users who become envious of the Samsung phone and make a switch. So, the ads are clearly targeted at people who are considering or currently use an iPhone.
That said, why does Samsung feel the need to insult their target market by depicting iPhone users as lemmings who slavishly wait in lines for a phone? I've never done that; no one I know has ever done that; and I felt a bit put-off by the commercial. The ad seemed very negative, and left me thinking less of Samsung. Maybe they think this approach will help attract Droid users by using a bit of schadenfreude to contrast their product with Apple's.
Aside from depicting Samsung's users as more hip and creative than Apple's, the ad offered very few positive or compelling reasons to consider Samsung phone. Main input or not, a pen seems like a niche feature. I can't see myself whipping out a stylus to write something "cool" on my photos. Though it might be nice to have for drawing.
I am tired of doing graphics that look like finger painting when I could use a stylus!.
I am tired of having to type out notes on a tiny keyboard when I could jot down a note with with a stylus!.
Swiping is good for moving from screen to screen, but not great for graphics or text entry.
Agreed. I don't understand all the non-Apple haters here. Why diss the stylus? Anyhow Apple hasn't totally given up the ideas of incorporating a stylus. They have numerous stylus patents, for example like this one for Heated Stylus. There are also rumors that Apple might launch a stylus for education or for iOS Aperture.
The next step for them is to copy Apple's voice recognition... by basing it on the handwriting wreckognition of the Newton family.
Sorry but Samsung came out with voice recognition first, in both feature phone AND smartphone.
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Horrible Ad.
That Phone is too big.
Bigger real estate is much appreciated if your primarily using the phone as a data consumption device rather than as a voice calling phone.
Try looking at spreadsheets on a 3.5" screen. No thank you. You have to shave your eyes (using Steve Job's reference) in order to read the thing.
You know what they say about people with small hands...
You people should be surprised of how useful a stylus is in the business setting and educational setting.
Soon, Samsung will be introducing a Galaxy Tab with an active WACOM enabled digitized stylus. That should expand its adoption inside the classroom tremendously. I sure hope they've patented it though before Big Bad Bully Apple (BBBA) comes knocking on their doors for a piece.
Question to those dissing the actual device. Have you used it?
I kind of did. It belongs to my family's doctor who works with writing pads and table charts on daily basis. So of course people like him are trained on stylus from Medical schools, while most of Starbuck Brigades on this board don't.
Hey, how many of you are ready to admit that your first smart phone was iPhone and never touch or try PDA before? Remember how BB junkies refused to let go of keypads for touchscreen?
Just think of it as a 5-inch Galaxy phone and not a shrunken Tab. All the good stuff are there; fast web browsing, all necessary apps come out of the box, including WhatsApp, SimSimi, BlueSquare and what have you. Phone calls can be done with a speaker and no need to pick it up to your ear. No free bluetooth headset in the box but shops will throw you one free here. Front and back camera ith auto focus on the back one. No SD slot thugh. And the stylus are really work as they advertised. So far I only find it useful for photo editing app. Might be more soon.
(Did I mentioned 80% of Asian men carry man-bag now?)
greg30721 said size will the the issue. I said price. ฿18900 for a top-spec Galaxy phone, Sii. ฿19000 for iPad 2 but scalpers and gray importers will sell you one for ฿17000 before haggling. The Note is ฿22000.
Especially when you don't have cheap imports to help move units while gray-market import iPad come flooding in from Hong Kong and Mainland on weekly basis.
They said 40% of iProducts sold in the U.S. are being packed in suitcases, carried by contraband mules, flew to Hong Kong and put on shelves all over Far East from Beijing to Jakarta within two days. I stated to believe that.
Wrt to the commerical, I feel that samsung missed the point. You want to attack the iphone, not its users because those are you potential constomers. If they want to attack the iphone, I think something like the og droid commerical works a lot better.
How did Samsung miss the point, when their ad managed to incite a discussion on a competitor's fan site with more than 200 posts, perhaps at 5 times the average commenting rate? It was noticed, to say the least.
Also, nobody is attacking any users, because no potential buyers will identify themselves with a bunch of sorry losers whose time is so cheap that they spend it waiting in line for stuff they could just as well buy online. It is quite unfair to iPhone users to equate them to the squatters from Samsung's commercial just because there have been lines in front of Apple stores. There may have been a few thousand scalpers waiting during major releases, but the majority of Apple's many millions of customers were not among them.
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That makes sense.
Well, I even think an iPad that you can write will kill half of the notebook market. Remember when we only have papers and typewriter? Not much people go with typewriter. If iPad can make writing cool again...
I think Apple doesn't see the point of having Stylus for the phone. Period. (and that when Steve Yucked about Stylus (at iPhone event).
For iPad, I think Apple waiting for retina display first. Remember when you write on retina display it will be just like you write on paper. No jagged edge. When it can be lagless, and CPU & battery allows, we will see this on iPad.
I agree 100%. Ultimate portability and a stylus don't go together. The screen is too small and you're likely to lose the stylus.
Retina iPad with digitiser stylus would definitely be awesome though. I do hope Apple have this in their pipeline. Not only would it work well as a stand-alone device, it'd make for a highly versatile computer input device.
seriously, i don't understand some of you.
if the software and the stylus are well buit, with a very nice not the application that could understand when we are trying to draw figures, referentials, etc, very good for notes during classes... wouldn't it be great? all of your class appointments in one device. perfect for school.
for writting a great stylus with great hardware and software would be pretty good. fingers aren't as good, that's why we use pencils and pens. what am i missing?
No it wouldn't be great. My handwriting is terrible. I type when I can to avoid writing. Much better chance for all involved to be able to read it
Plus, you don't tend to get new customers by insulting the very people you seek to attract.
Actually I don't think they are trying to appeal to Apple fans at all. I think Samsung is trying to speak to all those who dislike Apple and sway them to their side. In other words, they are trying to gain the other Android customers and people who still have feature phones but who have a dislike for Apple. You won't show this to Apple users and make them feel ashamed of their phone and make them switch.
No it wouldn't be great. My handwriting is terrible. I type when I can to avoid writing. Much better chance for all involved to be able to read it
I like using styli for solving math equations. I type out equations if I have to but I can never get to the answer as fast or with the same clarity. Maybe I'm jut old and need to learn to use LaTeX style text expressions in place of way I was taught but I don't think that will happen.
If I'm so dumb that I bought an iPhone, why would I dumb enough to by a Samsung TV?
Yes it is huge being 5.3 inch phone, but size is not an issue if you own (from our experience) You will feel that other phones are too small.
I think this is the best smartphone currently available on earth. Apple should bring iPhone 5 sooner.
You don't understand. A stylus is old tech, and the screen is too big and too small. Is that too hard to get?
Look - if a stylus was any good, Apple would have one. And if the screen size was any good, Apple would have one.
You can't argue with that logic.
NY Times:
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/...-touch-screen/
Wired:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/01/mitsubishi-pedi/
That's cute. The Mitsubishi laptop cost $6000 and was only thinner by half a hairs width when you compare it against the thick end of a MacBook Air, but instead of the MacBook Air, the casing was the same width at all edges. The MacBook Air is wedge-shaped, so not only is it much thinner on average, but it's also thinner if you measure about 1 cm or less from its thickest corner. Also, the statement that the MacBook Air was the thinnest laptop on the market was still technically correct, since this Mitsubishi laptop wasn't actually for sale anymore, when the MBA was released.
As for the 'iPhone popularized multi-touch finger touch-screens': didn't I *explicitly* mention that this statement doesn't mean Apple *invented* multi-touch, or that it was first to market with it? While the Prada may have had a capacitive touch screen (I don't see any mention of multi touch anywhere by the way), the way it used it probably sucked big time, because nobody remembers the thing anymore, and I can't say I've ever heard someone mention it as something truly new and awesome, as opposed to when the iPhone came out (which, if you try to go back in time you will realize, was widely believed to become one massive failure before it came out, by about everyone in the industry).
You don't understand. A stylus is old tech, and the screen is too big and too small. Is that too hard to get?
Look - if a stylus was any good, Apple would have one. And if the screen size was any good, Apple would have one.
You can't argue with that logic.
Yeah I just wear a men's medium glove and the fingers still have a bit of extra, but smalls are too small. I have absolutely no desire for a 5.3" screen on a phone. I don't need to cover the entire side of my head while I talk on the phone
If I'm so dumb that I bought an iPhone, why would I dumb enough to by a Samsung TV?
Good point. Samsung should listen to you.
Plus, I'm sure Sammy would sell the stylus for $150 too as people will lose it.
In Sammy's future product line, a 6.1" Phone/tablet.
In Sammy's future product line, a 6.1" Phone/tablet.
Samsung Galaxy Phablet.
Tagline: It's phabulous!
I think the anti-pen crowd (including the late Steven P Jobs) has missed the point entirely. And such is reasonable in light of the fact that Steve Jobs wasn't always right. Yes, he's right to prioritize touch. No question. But he was wrong to assume that no one would ever need or want to use a pen in those cases (however rare one wishes to argue they are) that one needs precision.
Honestly, I would love to have an iOS device that lets me focus on touch manipulation 95% of the time, but then gives me the power to use a pressure sensitive pen or paint brush to do some dazzling creative stuff. And giving me that power is by no means "bringing back the pen" or "doing something that has failed in the past." What failed in the past were devices that prioritized the pen over touch. What has made the iPad and iPhone a success was Steve Jobs insistence that TOUCH get the priority. The problem is that Steve was so adamant about touch that he refused to give thought to anyone ever wanting a pen for any reason. His sheer hatred for the pen/stylus drove him to insanity. His iOS devices are insanely great, but the insanity pertains to the parts he left out -- parts that we don't notice at first, but over time we start to desire.
The good news is that all Apple has to do to deflate Samsung's pride is just secretly add support for pressure sensitive pen devices. That would not be what Steve Jobs would have done. But then again, Steve Jobs himself wanted Apple execs to make their own decisions so Apple wouldn't become like Disney after their founder died, perpetually asking "what would Walt have done in this situation." Apple should gauge consumer demand for such features and then go for it. They have nothing to lose in doing so, and it's not like everyone will stop focusing on touch and go with a pen primarily. The pen has it's place, and it shouldn't be completely ignored.
Problem is that some people on this site tend to take everything SJ says as absolute truth and will go to great lengths to defend it. Its unfortunate really, because SJ's way is not the only way.
A while back, I was attacked / laughed at for suggesting the idea that, to me, the ipad would be significantly more useful if it included a stylus. I outlined my specific uses that a stylus would improve upon. In response, I was told to get with the times and to gtfo and buy a windows tablet (which I actually had at one point).
Wrt to the commerical, I feel that samsung missed the point. You want to attack the iphone, not its users because those are you potential constomers. If they want to attack the iphone, I think something like the og droid commerical works a lot better.
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w83UQ...e_gdata_player
I can agree to that. The first ad was good for the fence sitters. Unnecessary for the Android fans and useless for the Apple fans.
They dragged it out for too long and the only thing that saved this commercial IMO was the deviation in the middle into the song and dance. Useless but still fun.
And yea the ads were lame. The game was awesome.
Go Giants!!
The Saints threw Mardi Gras beads from the float when they paraded. What should Giants throw from the float at the Super Bowl parade?
That said, why does Samsung feel the need to insult their target market by depicting iPhone users as lemmings who slavishly wait in lines for a phone? I've never done that; no one I know has ever done that; and I felt a bit put-off by the commercial. The ad seemed very negative, and left me thinking less of Samsung. Maybe they think this approach will help attract Droid users by using a bit of schadenfreude to contrast their product with Apple's.
Aside from depicting Samsung's users as more hip and creative than Apple's, the ad offered very few positive or compelling reasons to consider Samsung phone. Main input or not, a pen seems like a niche feature. I can't see myself whipping out a stylus to write something "cool" on my photos. Though it might be nice to have for drawing.
The Saints threw Mardi Gras beads from the float when they paraded. What should Giants throw from the float at the Super Bowl parade?
No idea...I've never been to a superbowl parade...I don't really care for parades...It'd be fun to find out though. I may go this time.
I actually *WANT* a Stylus!!
I am tired of doing graphics that look like finger painting when I could use a stylus!.
I am tired of having to type out notes on a tiny keyboard when I could jot down a note with with a stylus!.
Swiping is good for moving from screen to screen, but not great for graphics or text entry.
Agreed. I don't understand all the non-Apple haters here. Why diss the stylus? Anyhow Apple hasn't totally given up the ideas of incorporating a stylus. They have numerous stylus patents, for example like this one for Heated Stylus. There are also rumors that Apple might launch a stylus for education or for iOS Aperture.
Great job Samsung.
The next step for them is to copy Apple's voice recognition... by basing it on the handwriting wreckognition of the Newton family.
Sorry but Samsung came out with voice recognition first, in both feature phone AND smartphone.
Horrible Ad.
That Phone is too big.
Bigger real estate is much appreciated if your primarily using the phone as a data consumption device rather than as a voice calling phone.
Try looking at spreadsheets on a 3.5" screen. No thank you. You have to shave your eyes (using Steve Job's reference) in order to read the thing.
You know what they say about people with small hands...
You people should be surprised of how useful a stylus is in the business setting and educational setting.
Soon, Samsung will be introducing a Galaxy Tab with an active WACOM enabled digitized stylus. That should expand its adoption inside the classroom tremendously. I sure hope they've patented it though before Big Bad Bully Apple (BBBA) comes knocking on their doors for a piece.
Question to those dissing the actual device. Have you used it?
I kind of did. It belongs to my family's doctor who works with writing pads and table charts on daily basis. So of course people like him are trained on stylus from Medical schools, while most of Starbuck Brigades on this board don't.
Hey, how many of you are ready to admit that your first smart phone was iPhone and never touch or try PDA before? Remember how BB junkies refused to let go of keypads for touchscreen?
Just think of it as a 5-inch Galaxy phone and not a shrunken Tab. All the good stuff are there; fast web browsing, all necessary apps come out of the box, including WhatsApp, SimSimi, BlueSquare and what have you. Phone calls can be done with a speaker and no need to pick it up to your ear. No free bluetooth headset in the box but shops will throw you one free here. Front and back camera ith auto focus on the back one. No SD slot thugh. And the stylus are really work as they advertised. So far I only find it useful for photo editing app. Might be more soon.
(Did I mentioned 80% of Asian men carry man-bag now?)
greg30721 said size will the the issue. I said price. ฿18900 for a top-spec Galaxy phone, Sii. ฿19000 for iPad 2 but scalpers and gray importers will sell you one for ฿17000 before haggling. The Note is ฿22000.
Especially when you don't have cheap imports to help move units while gray-market import iPad come flooding in from Hong Kong and Mainland on weekly basis.
They said 40% of iProducts sold in the U.S. are being packed in suitcases, carried by contraband mules, flew to Hong Kong and put on shelves all over Far East from Beijing to Jakarta within two days. I stated to believe that.
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Wrt to the commerical, I feel that samsung missed the point. You want to attack the iphone, not its users because those are you potential constomers. If they want to attack the iphone, I think something like the og droid commerical works a lot better.
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w83UQ...e_gdata_player
How did Samsung miss the point, when their ad managed to incite a discussion on a competitor's fan site with more than 200 posts, perhaps at 5 times the average commenting rate? It was noticed, to say the least.
Also, nobody is attacking any users, because no potential buyers will identify themselves with a bunch of sorry losers whose time is so cheap that they spend it waiting in line for stuff they could just as well buy online. It is quite unfair to iPhone users to equate them to the squatters from Samsung's commercial just because there have been lines in front of Apple stores. There may have been a few thousand scalpers waiting during major releases, but the majority of Apple's many millions of customers were not among them.
They're right about one thing in that commercial: "The Next Big Thing is Already Here." That thing is frigging huge.
Am I the only one who finds it ironic that "the next big thing is already here" is referring to a product that will be released in two weeks?