There is quite an active market for capacative styluses around. My wife has a couple. Quite handy for note taking on the ipad, when the finger is a big fat sausage in comparison.
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Originally Posted by Extensor
Your wife has fingers like big fat sausages? Someone is sleeping on the couch tonight.
Well...
Who would want to share a bed with a large-headed woman with ham fists and sausage fingers?
I think the only mention of anything related to styluses at either a 6th iPhone or iPad 3 launch will be a jab at Samsung for going in the opposite way of the entire industry, if even that.
A neat little feature in iOS 6 would be allowing third parties more control over the appearance of their app's icon.
Apple has the Calendar app that changes every single day. Why shouldn't there be a weather app that displays the current temperature and a background color that reflects the precipitation? Heck, you could even fit a proper cloud, sun, snowflake, raindrop, or lightning bolt on there behind the temperature.
Or a stocks app that shows share prices. Simple stuff that everyone should be allowed to do.
And that would be Apple's answer to "widgets" (whatever that really means on Android...), period.
That would be nice but I don't think Apple would be quick to move on that. It wasn't until iOS 5 that the calendar app got automatic location updating via the GPS, yet the GPS chip came in the 2nd gen iPhone.
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Originally Posted by Mr. H
The ad is a massive fail. It implies that the stylus is the only form of user input when it's merely an additional option for times when precision is required.
It's a well produced and fun ad but it does make it seem like it requires a stylus to use. I wonder what percentage of people who saw that ad realise that a stylus is not required for use?
You don't understand. A stylus is old tech, and the screen is too big and too small. Is that too hard to get?
Look - if a stylus was any good, Apple would have one. And if the screen size was any good, Apple would have one.
You can't argue with that logic.
You mean the stylus that can be used on glass with presure sensitiveness on smartphone? You have to admit that this is great innovation by Samsung. Although it is not perfect (being slipery on glass with plastic tip), it is a great tool.
Sure it is a too big for a phone and too small for tablet. I am not arguing this. But, it is not too big for a smartphone. And with full HD resolution, it is not too small for a tablet.
Having used it for almost 3 months, this is the best smartphone on the market imo. Apple should bring Iphone 5 sooner.
You're serious that you think that digitising styli have no redeeming features? Do you deny that they offer more precision (finer tip + pressure sensitivity) than a finger or capacitive pen? Do you understand that no-one here who thinks a stylus on the iPad would be a good idea is suggesting that it should be the primary form of input?
Oh, no, I'm not saying that. I just don't see Apple embracing or acknowledging them at all, given Steve's position.
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Yes, that would be nice. But what's that got to do with styli?
Well, nothing. I just had the thought for some reason while going through this thread... Oh, I was looking at this story at the same time and thought that there MUST be a better way to do it.
You mean the stylus that can be used on glass with presure sensitiveness on smartphone? You have to admit that this is great innovation by Samsung. Although it is not perfect (being slipery on glass with plastic tip), it is a great tool.
Sure it is a too big for a phone and too small for tablet. I am not arguing this. But, it is not too big for a smartphone. And with full HD resolution, it is not too small for a tablet.
Having used it for almost 3 months, this is the best smartphone on the market imo. Apple should bring Iphone 5 sooner.
It's not really an innovation as Wacom has had tablet devices with digitisers on the market for years, it's more of an adoption. Innovation would be from getting a low-power digitiser in a handheld device that won't negatively affect battery life or general usability, and can also be on a capacitance touchscreen. If that was Samsung then good for them, but I'm thinking this was Wacom's doing.
I'm not sure what you meant by "on" so I am just clarifying that it's not the glass on the smartphone that is pressure sensitive, it's the stylus itself that registers pressure and sends the data to the device.
As for its size I think a 5.3" display is too large for a phone.
So Samsung didn't mention Apple or the iPhone yet you don't see how that was heavily referenced in the ad or that the ad wasn't attacking Apple or its products but it's lame customers who will wait in line for a clearly inferior product?¡
It wasn't attacking anyone. Which part was an attack, really?
As to the lame consumers, the only thing lamer than what they did would be consciously self-identifying with them. No product deserves wasting your time to wait in line, unless your time is really cheap (which makes one automatically a loser).
The problem with these ads is that you have to be the clear underdog in a given market, otherwise you look defensive and bitter. Wendy's could get away with taking shots at McDonalds and Burger King in the 80s. Pepsi could take shots at Coke back then too. Small telecoms can depict the four big service providers as buffoons. It almost has you cheering the little guy on.
But seeing a very large company like Samsung who is clearly not the underdog in any obvious way taking shots at a competitor just feels weird. It seems undignified.
The problem with these ads is that you have to be the clear underdog in a given market, otherwise you look defensive and bitter. Wendy's could get away with taking shots at McDonalds and Burger King in the 80s. Pepsi could take shots at Coke back then too. Small telecoms can depict the four big service providers as buffoons. It almost has you cheering the little guy on.
But seeing a very large company like Samsung who is clearly not the underdog in any obvious way taking shots at a competitor just feels weird. It seems undignified.
It disgusts you that humans line up? Are you equally disgusted lining up at th grocery checkout, to get on an airplane, or that planes line up on a runway so they all don't land or take off at the same time? How else do you except companies with a finite number of supply sold by a finite number of associates in a finite space? Sure, I can see the beneot of time and space not existing but they do and until otherwise discovered we are tied to them.
Go ahead and insult the very people that you're trying to win over as customers...Real smart Samsung. If they think that this is a good strategy, they're insane.
It could be that they're angle is to get other non-Apple on their ship, but insulting ANY potential customer is a very bad idea. Their head-of-marketing should be sacked.
The problem with these ads is that you have to be the clear underdog in a given market, otherwise you look defensive and bitter. Wendy's could get away with taking shots at McDonalds and Burger King in the 80s. Pepsi could take shots at Coke back then too. Small telecoms can depict the four big service providers as buffoons. It almost has you cheering the little guy on.
But seeing a very large company like Samsung who is clearly not the underdog in any obvious way taking shots at a competitor just feels weird. It seems undignified.
I think their ads are clever in that aspect. They try to appear as the underdog vendor yet they are by far the most dominate Android-based vendor out there. It's smart in that sense but I doubt they could use this tactic of they were trying to go after Apple's sales.
The problem with these ads is that you have to be the clear underdog in a given market, otherwise you look defensive and bitter. Wendy's could get away with taking shots at McDonalds and Burger King in the 80s. Pepsi could take shots at Coke back then too. Small telecoms can depict the four big service providers as buffoons. It almost has you cheering the little guy on.
But seeing a very large company like Samsung who is clearly not the underdog in any obvious way taking shots at a competitor just feels weird. It seems undignified.
Even with Apple as large and successful as they are, they still carry that "underdog" mentality at times, particularly with some of their fans. Compared to Apple, Samsung still is perceived as a "little guy" in mobile.
It's not really an innovation as Wacom has had tablet devices with digitisers on the market for years, it's more of an adoption. Innovation would be from getting a low-power digitiser in a handheld device that won't negatively affect battery life or general usability, and can also be on a capacitance touchscreen. If that was Samsung then good for them, but I'm thinking this was Wacom's doing.
I'm not sure what you meant by "on" so I am just clarifying that it's not the glass on the smartphone that is pressure sensitive, it's the stylus itself that registers pressure and sends the data to the device.
As for its size I think a 5.3" display is too large for a phone.
Sure, Wacom should get credit for it, but it is Samsung that put it in their product. Hence I called it inovation by Samsung.
Yes it is too large for a phone, but not too large for a smartphone. It fits in my all trousers pockets (it does not in all lady jeans, but then they always carry small bag anyway).
Sure, Wacom should get credit for it, but it is Samsung that put it in their product. Hence I called it inovation by Samsung.
Yes it is too large for a phone, but not too large for a smartphone. It fits in my all trousers pockets (it does not in all lady jeans, but then they always carry small bag anyway).
What are the device dimension differences between the Note, newest Nexus and iPhone?
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iPhone 4S - 4.54" x 2.31" x 0.37" (4.9 oz)
Galaxy Nexus - 5.33" x 2.68" x 0.37"* (4.8 oz)
Galaxy Note - 5.78" x 3.27" x 0.38" (6.3 oz)
Looking only at the width, assuming that thickness and length have no barring** it's about 1" wider than the iPhone. That would not fit comfortably in my front or back pocket. It also wouldn't work in one hand with the thumb swipe, but neither does the Galaxy Nexus for that function. I'll be surprised if they can find a sizeable market for this to replace current smartphones.
* It's equivalent to the iPhone over most of its back but actually thicker than stated due to the camera.
Big size will make a good door stop because it's less smart
Isn't it a phone? Why the ads didn't show phone functionality? Because it's as ugly as Dell Streak when you use it as a phone. That's why most Samsung ads always picture fantasy, while Apple ads picture real life experience.
Being a long time (since 85 or so) mac user, past BB and current iphone user (and yes, old palm user), I never personally got the anti keyboard, and anti stylus movement. I far preferred, and still prefer, the physical keyboard on the blackberry, to the soft keyboard on the iPhone. I also FAR prefer the os and usability of the iPhone! I just wish I had the option of a physical keyboard.
That said, whats wrong with a stylus? Its far more accurate than a finger, and is better at drawing and notation on pictures etc. Anyone heard of Wacom? Tell those users a stylus is no good!
I see no use for one on an iPhone, but I could sure see a use for it for many folks on an iPad. I guess thats why I always keep a Moleskine in my briefcase.
What are the device dimension differences between the Note, newest Nexus and iPhone?
edit:
iPhone 4S - 4.54" x 2.31" x 0.37" (4.9 oz)
Galaxy Nexus - 5.33" x 2.68" x 0.37"* (4.8 oz)
Galaxy Note - 5.78" x 3.27" x 0.38" (6.3 oz)
Looking only at the width, assuming that thickness and length have no barring** it's about 1" wider than the iPhone. That would not fit comfortably in my front or back pocket. It also wouldn't work in one hand with the thumb swipe, but neither does the Galaxy Nexus for that function. I'll be surprised if they can find a sizeable market for this to replace current smartphones.
* It's equivalent to the iPhone over most of its back but actually thicker than stated due to the camera.
** That's not what she said!
Sure No, it wont fit in small back pocket, in fact I would not even try to put any smartphone in back pocket. But it fits in my all trouser pockets all though I feel the largeness. By the way, it is not just a phone that simply works, but it is much more than that with 5.3inch Super Amoled hd resultion screen with supporting specs.
No you can not manage it with your thumb, but with freedom they provide I think people will looking at this option. Again I think, Apple should bring Iphone 5 earlier.
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There is quite an active market for capacative styluses around. My wife has a couple. Quite handy for note taking on the ipad, when the finger is a big fat sausage in comparison.
Your wife has fingers like big fat sausages? Someone is sleeping on the couch tonight.
Well...
Who would want to share a bed with a large-headed woman with ham fists and sausage fingers?
I think the only mention of anything related to styluses at either a 6th iPhone or iPad 3 launch will be a jab at Samsung for going in the opposite way of the entire industry, if even that.
A neat little feature in iOS 6 would be allowing third parties more control over the appearance of their app's icon.
Apple has the Calendar app that changes every single day. Why shouldn't there be a weather app that displays the current temperature and a background color that reflects the precipitation? Heck, you could even fit a proper cloud, sun, snowflake, raindrop, or lightning bolt on there behind the temperature.
Or a stocks app that shows share prices. Simple stuff that everyone should be allowed to do.
And that would be Apple's answer to "widgets" (whatever that really means on Android...), period.
That would be nice but I don't think Apple would be quick to move on that. It wasn't until iOS 5 that the calendar app got automatic location updating via the GPS, yet the GPS chip came in the 2nd gen iPhone.
The ad is a massive fail. It implies that the stylus is the only form of user input when it's merely an additional option for times when precision is required.
It's a well produced and fun ad but it does make it seem like it requires a stylus to use. I wonder what percentage of people who saw that ad realise that a stylus is not required for use?
You don't understand. A stylus is old tech, and the screen is too big and too small. Is that too hard to get?
Look - if a stylus was any good, Apple would have one. And if the screen size was any good, Apple would have one.
You can't argue with that logic.
You mean the stylus that can be used on glass with presure sensitiveness on smartphone? You have to admit that this is great innovation by Samsung. Although it is not perfect (being slipery on glass with plastic tip), it is a great tool.
Sure it is a too big for a phone and too small for tablet. I am not arguing this. But, it is not too big for a smartphone. And with full HD resolution, it is not too small for a tablet.
Having used it for almost 3 months, this is the best smartphone on the market imo. Apple should bring Iphone 5 sooner.
You're serious that you think that digitising styli have no redeeming features? Do you deny that they offer more precision (finer tip + pressure sensitivity) than a finger or capacitive pen? Do you understand that no-one here who thinks a stylus on the iPad would be a good idea is suggesting that it should be the primary form of input?
Oh, no, I'm not saying that. I just don't see Apple embracing or acknowledging them at all, given Steve's position.
Yes, that would be nice. But what's that got to do with styli?
Well, nothing.
You mean the stylus that can be used on glass with presure sensitiveness on smartphone? You have to admit that this is great innovation by Samsung. Although it is not perfect (being slipery on glass with plastic tip), it is a great tool.
Sure it is a too big for a phone and too small for tablet. I am not arguing this. But, it is not too big for a smartphone. And with full HD resolution, it is not too small for a tablet.
Having used it for almost 3 months, this is the best smartphone on the market imo. Apple should bring Iphone 5 sooner.
It's not really an innovation as Wacom has had tablet devices with digitisers on the market for years, it's more of an adoption. Innovation would be from getting a low-power digitiser in a handheld device that won't negatively affect battery life or general usability, and can also be on a capacitance touchscreen. If that was Samsung then good for them, but I'm thinking this was Wacom's doing.
I'm not sure what you meant by "on" so I am just clarifying that it's not the glass on the smartphone that is pressure sensitive, it's the stylus itself that registers pressure and sends the data to the device.
As for its size I think a 5.3" display is too large for a phone.
So Samsung didn't mention Apple or the iPhone yet you don't see how that was heavily referenced in the ad or that the ad wasn't attacking Apple or its products but it's lame customers who will wait in line for a clearly inferior product?¡
It wasn't attacking anyone. Which part was an attack, really?
As to the lame consumers, the only thing lamer than what they did would be consciously self-identifying with them. No product deserves wasting your time to wait in line, unless your time is really cheap (which makes one automatically a loser).
No product deserves wasting your time to wait in line, unless your time is really cheap (which makes one automatically a loser).
For many, "waiting in line" is a fun social event.
I can understand why that would confuse and puzzle you...
For many, "waiting in line" is a fun social event.
I can understand why that would confuse and puzzle you...
It does not confuse me, it disgusts me.
But seeing a very large company like Samsung who is clearly not the underdog in any obvious way taking shots at a competitor just feels weird. It seems undignified.
The problem with these ads is that you have to be the clear underdog in a given market, otherwise you look defensive and bitter. Wendy's could get away with taking shots at McDonalds and Burger King in the 80s. Pepsi could take shots at Coke back then too. Small telecoms can depict the four big service providers as buffoons. It almost has you cheering the little guy on.
But seeing a very large company like Samsung who is clearly not the underdog in any obvious way taking shots at a competitor just feels weird. It seems undignified.
Undignified is Samsung's corporate MO.
It does not confuse me, it disgusts me.
It disgusts you that humans line up? Are you equally disgusted lining up at th grocery checkout, to get on an airplane, or that planes line up on a runway so they all don't land or take off at the same time? How else do you except companies with a finite number of supply sold by a finite number of associates in a finite space? Sure, I can see the beneot of time and space not existing but they do and until otherwise discovered we are tied to them.
It could be that they're angle is to get other non-Apple on their ship, but insulting ANY potential customer is a very bad idea. Their head-of-marketing should be sacked.
If it was really bad and memorable, people would be talking about it, just as if it was good and memorable.
This one is neither, and only those paying close attention (because they knew it was coming) have anything to say about it.
It was an utter failure.
The problem with these ads is that you have to be the clear underdog in a given market, otherwise you look defensive and bitter. Wendy's could get away with taking shots at McDonalds and Burger King in the 80s. Pepsi could take shots at Coke back then too. Small telecoms can depict the four big service providers as buffoons. It almost has you cheering the little guy on.
But seeing a very large company like Samsung who is clearly not the underdog in any obvious way taking shots at a competitor just feels weird. It seems undignified.
I think their ads are clever in that aspect. They try to appear as the underdog vendor yet they are by far the most dominate Android-based vendor out there. It's smart in that sense but I doubt they could use this tactic of they were trying to go after Apple's sales.
The problem with these ads is that you have to be the clear underdog in a given market, otherwise you look defensive and bitter. Wendy's could get away with taking shots at McDonalds and Burger King in the 80s. Pepsi could take shots at Coke back then too. Small telecoms can depict the four big service providers as buffoons. It almost has you cheering the little guy on.
But seeing a very large company like Samsung who is clearly not the underdog in any obvious way taking shots at a competitor just feels weird. It seems undignified.
Even with Apple as large and successful as they are, they still carry that "underdog" mentality at times, particularly with some of their fans. Compared to Apple, Samsung still is perceived as a "little guy" in mobile.
It's not really an innovation as Wacom has had tablet devices with digitisers on the market for years, it's more of an adoption. Innovation would be from getting a low-power digitiser in a handheld device that won't negatively affect battery life or general usability, and can also be on a capacitance touchscreen. If that was Samsung then good for them, but I'm thinking this was Wacom's doing.
I'm not sure what you meant by "on" so I am just clarifying that it's not the glass on the smartphone that is pressure sensitive, it's the stylus itself that registers pressure and sends the data to the device.
As for its size I think a 5.3" display is too large for a phone.
Sure, Wacom should get credit for it, but it is Samsung that put it in their product. Hence I called it inovation by Samsung.
Yes it is too large for a phone, but not too large for a smartphone. It fits in my all trousers pockets (it does not in all lady jeans, but then they always carry small bag anyway).
Sure, Wacom should get credit for it, but it is Samsung that put it in their product. Hence I called it inovation by Samsung.
Yes it is too large for a phone, but not too large for a smartphone. It fits in my all trousers pockets (it does not in all lady jeans, but then they always carry small bag anyway).
What are the device dimension differences between the Note, newest Nexus and iPhone?
edit:Looking only at the width, assuming that thickness and length have no barring** it's about 1" wider than the iPhone. That would not fit comfortably in my front or back pocket. It also wouldn't work in one hand with the thumb swipe, but neither does the Galaxy Nexus for that function. I'll be surprised if they can find a sizeable market for this to replace current smartphones.
* It's equivalent to the iPhone over most of its back but actually thicker than stated due to the camera.
** That's not what she said!
Isn't it a phone? Why the ads didn't show phone functionality? Because it's as ugly as Dell Streak when you use it as a phone. That's why most Samsung ads always picture fantasy, while Apple ads picture real life experience.
That said, whats wrong with a stylus? Its far more accurate than a finger, and is better at drawing and notation on pictures etc. Anyone heard of Wacom? Tell those users a stylus is no good!
I see no use for one on an iPhone, but I could sure see a use for it for many folks on an iPad. I guess thats why I always keep a Moleskine in my briefcase.
What are the device dimension differences between the Note, newest Nexus and iPhone?
edit:Looking only at the width, assuming that thickness and length have no barring** it's about 1" wider than the iPhone. That would not fit comfortably in my front or back pocket. It also wouldn't work in one hand with the thumb swipe, but neither does the Galaxy Nexus for that function. I'll be surprised if they can find a sizeable market for this to replace current smartphones.
* It's equivalent to the iPhone over most of its back but actually thicker than stated due to the camera.
** That's not what she said!
Sure No, it wont fit in small back pocket, in fact I would not even try to put any smartphone in back pocket. But it fits in my all trouser pockets all though I feel the largeness. By the way, it is not just a phone that simply works, but it is much more than that with 5.3inch Super Amoled hd resultion screen with supporting specs.
No you can not manage it with your thumb, but with freedom they provide I think people will looking at this option. Again I think, Apple should bring Iphone 5 earlier.