Apple asks for US preliminary injunction of Samsung's Android 4.0 Galaxy Nexus

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  • Reply 201 of 448
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    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    just a question to the Apple fans...



    Can Apple even be wrong to you? Legally or ethically? It seems that from your perspectives they are always right, no matter what...



    Sure, they can be wrong.

    It is just that Google are wrong much more often. Legally and particularly ethically.To use a quote from another forum:



    "I prefer google less because they profess to be good when they are just using the hacker ethos of everything free and info for all, for profit and gain.

    Apple is a traditional company. If you don?t like them then they?ll just tell you to suck it and move on"
  • Reply 202 of 448
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    just a question to the Apple fans...



    Can Apple even be wrong to you? Legally or ethically? It seems that from your perspectives they are always right, no matter what...



    And your definition of an apple fan is ... someone who never criticizes Apple?

    You must have a very bad day.



    But let's assume your totally ignorant and posted an honest question.

    Read something about FinalCut X, read something about the finder (whooo) or better yet read something about the transition to Mac OS X, the whining still resonates within the Internet.

    Most things Apple does is criticized bij fans on the Internet, no matter how futile the detail.



    As a side note: the ratio of critique versus praise is of course very different for a firm that has the right intentions, a very good eye for detail, great design and superb software, than for one that lacks some or all of the previous.



    J.
  • Reply 203 of 448
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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post


    Do Apple fans even go to Android forums?



    I don't think that's the correct question. Being a fan of one doesn't mean you can't be a fan of the other. I think a better question is: Why frequent a site about a company/product for which you are not a fan?
  • Reply 204 of 448
    jnjnjnjnjnjn Posts: 588member
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    Originally Posted by tawilson View Post


    Technically an algorithm isn't an idea, it's an implementation/method of an idea. Implementations/methods is precisely what the patent system was created for.



    Your wrong, technically. An algorithm is an idea, not an implementation at all.

    If you write code you would know the difference.

    From abstract to implementation you have generalized ideas (design patterns), algorithms, pseudo code implementing parts of the algorithms, and actual code.

    It's from having an idea to write a book about a plane crash, to writing a story outline, to writing coarse parts of some important chapters, to writing the actual book.



    J.
  • Reply 205 of 448
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    I don't think that's the correct question. Being a fan of one doesn't mean you can't be a fan of the other. I think a better question is: Why frequent a site about a company/product for which you are not a fan?



    That is the false premise that these Apple haters use pretending that they are fans of both iPhone and Android. Although I did not specify exactly, the connotation was questioning if Apple fans go to Andriod forums to criticize those users and devices? If so, I suspect it is disproportionate with respect to the inverse. AI is partially responsible, and understandably for the ad clicks, by publishing so many Android articles. Indirectly they are about Apple since they many times involve Apple vs. Android patents and lawsuits, however, it certainly brings the trolls out of the woodwork.



    I wouldn't mind seeing less AI sanctioned Android bashing.
  • Reply 206 of 448
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    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    yes...I've seen a shitload of Android criticism on Android sites...from the writers, the commenters...hell even on the forums on the Verge...criticism...



    Yet aside from "they should've kept the old icon" I never see any criticism from Apple supporters towards Apple.



    It's truly a marvelous thing to watch...what CAN Apple do wrong?



    Apparently they can eff up Final Cut Pro. That's about it from what I can gather.
  • Reply 207 of 448
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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post


    That is the false premise that these Apple haters use pretending that they are fans of both iPhone and Android. Although I did not specify exactly, the connotation was questioning if Apple fans go to Andriod forums to criticize those users and devices? If so, I suspect it is disproportionate with respect to the inverse. AI is partially responsible, and understandably for the ad clicks, by publishing so many Android articles. Indirectly they are about Apple since they many times involve Apple vs. Android patents and lawsuits, however, it certainly brings the trolls out of the woodwork.



    I wouldn't mind seeing less AI sanctioned Android bashing.



    patent suits are one thing...those go up on all sites pretty much.



    but there are many articles that have literally nothing to do with Apple.
  • Reply 208 of 448
    piotpiot Posts: 1,346member
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    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    ....but there are many articles that have literally nothing to do with Apple.



    Show me the 50% !



    www.appleinsider.com
  • Reply 209 of 448
    jnjnjnjnjnjn Posts: 588member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    patent suits are one thing...those go up on all sites pretty much.



    but there are many articles that have literally nothing to do with Apple.



    Do you care to comment?



    J.
  • Reply 210 of 448
    muppetrymuppetry Posts: 3,331member
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    Originally Posted by jnjnjn View Post


    Your wrong, technically. An algorithm is an idea, not an implementation at all.

    If you write code you would know the difference.

    From abstract to implementation you have generalized ideas (design patterns), algorithms, pseudo code implementing parts of the algorithms, and actual code.

    It's from having an idea to write a book about a plane crash, to writing a story outline, to writing coarse parts of some important chapters, to writing the actual book.



    J.



    I guess that I, too, would have to disagree with you here, both about the definition and the relevance of fictional works to the subject. In the context of computational problem solving, the algorithm is the mathematical sequence of steps that solves the problem as the implementation of a particular method. The actual code is just the representation of that sequence in whatever language you are using.



    For example, if I choose to solve a set of differential equations by a numerical explicit finite difference method, I then choose the type of solution (forward difference, backward difference, first, second order accurate etc.), then a specific method, and then I construct the actual algorithm - the sequence of mathematical steps - and finally I express those steps in code. The code is the language-specific representation of the algorithm, but the algorithm is much more than an idea - it is the precise implementation of the solution method.
  • Reply 211 of 448
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    Originally Posted by piot View Post


    Show me the 50% !



    www.appleinsider.com



    sorry I forgot exaggeration is lost on assholes.





    4 on the main page btw.



    3 dealing with Amazon 1 dealing with Motorola and Google (but not about the lawsuits which pertain to Apple)
  • Reply 212 of 448
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    Originally Posted by jnjnjn View Post


    Do you care to comment?



    J.



    on what?
  • Reply 213 of 448
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
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    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    sorry I forgot exaggeration is lost on assholes.



    Exaggeration (without implied humour) just looks like a bald face lie and ad hominen attacks make you look like you've been backed into a corner. Neither help you make a point.
  • Reply 214 of 448
    jnjnjnjnjnjn Posts: 588member
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    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    on what?



    My comment on your comment.
  • Reply 215 of 448
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    Exaggeration (without implied humour) just looks like a bald face lie and ad hominen attacks make you look like you've been backed into a corner. Neither help you make a point.



    I'm not going to explain what should be obvious rhetoric. If others cannot follow that's on them. A simple glance proves that never have one out of two articles been unrelated to Apple.



    And piot is an asshole IMO. And considering I didn't use that to shoot down any point he was making it is not ad hominem in any fallacious sense.
  • Reply 216 of 448
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    patent suits are one thing...those go up on all sites pretty much.



    but there are many articles that have literally nothing to do with Apple.



    Perhaps but you rarely if ever comment on any thread besides Android/Google topics so how do those other threads concern you?
  • Reply 217 of 448
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    Originally Posted by jnjnjn View Post


    My comment on your comment.



    Wasn't sure it needed a response. Seems like a reasoned post.
  • Reply 218 of 448
    jnjnjnjnjnjn Posts: 588member
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    Originally Posted by muppetry View Post


    I guess that I, too, would have to disagree with you here, both about the definition and the relevance of fictional works to the subject. In the context of computational problem solving, the algorithm is the mathematical sequence of steps that solves the problem as the implementation of a particular method. The actual code is just the representation of that sequence in whatever language you are using.



    For example, if I choose to solve a set of differential equations by a numerical explicit finite difference method, I then choose the type of solution (forward difference, backward difference, first, second order accurate etc.), then a specific method, and then I construct the actual algorithm - the sequence of mathematical steps - and finally I express those steps in code. The code is the language-specific representation of the algorithm, but the algorithm is much more than an idea - it is the precise implementation of the solution method.



    An algorithm can be expressed in infinite implemetations.

    Your confusing an algorithm with a mathematical proof (although that's imprecise in itself and should be an logic proof).

    For a physicist this is sometimes more or less the same.

    It's also more relevant if you use functional programming languages, but not at all the same from an general programming point of few.

    In short, your view on an algorithm is way to strict. Normally it's just a 'vague' outline and a set of pointers how to think.

    No more no less. So your actually talking about the implementation in pseudo code that I mentioned.



    J.
  • Reply 219 of 448
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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post


    Perhaps but you rarely if ever comment on any thread besides Android/Google topics so how do those other threads concern you?



    I was responding to the apparent wonder as to why so many non Apple praisers are here.



    I'm literally here because my RSS feed constantly had articles related to Android from this site.
  • Reply 220 of 448
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
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    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    And piot is an asshole IMO. And considering I didn't use that to shoot down any point he was making it is not ad hominem in any fallacious sense.



    IT literally translates in Latin to ?to the person.? You didn't state his comment come across as assholish, you said he was an asshole. That is not permitted.
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