Apple asks for US preliminary injunction of Samsung's Android 4.0 Galaxy Nexus

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  • Reply 61 of 448
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    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    I fully understand that one of the Groklaw's admin's has a bone to pick with Florian, and with a somewhat valid reason IMO after a dishonest accusation against her when he was advocating for MS a few years back. . .



    Bad blood goes both ways between those two sites. Me, I am not a software socialist like the Groklaw team and believe programmers have the F***KING right to profit from their work. That said, many software patents are excessively broad and should cover very specific methods of operation and you need to have skin in the game to play. IP holding companies (IV for example) should only be able to get damages for lost slaes of product they do not make. In other words, $0.00.
  • Reply 62 of 448
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    Originally Posted by specter2009 View Post


    Apple doesn't seem to know how to innovate anymore and has to sue it's competition because they are far more advanced than they are.



    Wow, the stunning intellect you've presented in your first ever post on AI leaves me wondering how this forum ever existed without you. May I please have a link to all your online social portholes so that I may follow you and gaze with amazement at your wisdom.







  • Reply 63 of 448
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,088member
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    Originally Posted by Steven N. View Post


    Bad blood goes both ways between those two sites.



    If you want to know the latest on the B&N case, or MS's troubles with Novell, you pretty much have to depend on Groklaw since Florian is going to ignore anything detrimental to MS as much as possible. Anything not anti-Google? Probably still wasting your time at FOSSPatents. If it's Apple he's been known to flip-flop lately. Perhaps depending on how his "clients" would be affected?



    It would be nice to have a site that just gave it to us straight, and PatentlyO is as close as I've seen. They just don't follow the tech industry that thoroughly
  • Reply 64 of 448
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,381member
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    Originally Posted by Ikki View Post


    I did not realize how awesome the Galaxy Nexus is, but if Apple is that worried about this phone. I will definitely have to go check it out. Thanks for letting me know Apple!



    I'm sure Apple is having many sleepless night because of the awesomeness of that phone. What are the sales figures again? Strange, haven't seen any. With a completely redesigned iPhone 5 launching this year, on the back of 37+million supply-constrained quarterly sales without even a redesigned phone, I'm sure they're shuddering.
  • Reply 65 of 448
    Strange there are people who actually SUPPORT these lawsuit patents although they all work against consumers and developers.



    Also, how many people actually used Android 4.0 instead of shooting it down based on perceptions of earlier versions?



    Either way, chances are Google cannot openly file a lawsuit on infringes since Android is on open source license whereas Apple tries to patent almost every aspect in iOS. Don't forget you are talking about a company who tried to patent auto-correct.
  • Reply 66 of 448
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    Originally Posted by divinitus View Post


    Don't forget you are talking about a company who tried to patent auto-correct.



    Nope. They patented a theretofore unused implementation of auto-correct.
  • Reply 67 of 448
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    Offensive patent fillings? All patents fillings are defensive. Google hasn't been in the handset business for 14 years. Most of their still very limited history has been with search and ads. Let's see how Android fares when there growth rate drops from 1.1% to the naughts or even starts to shrink.



    Why are triumphing a company you think has valid patents that spent time and money filing that they aren't defending? There is no altruism. There is no "don't be evil" mantra" There is the goal of survival, of success, of profits.



    Well if google thinks like me then they will have a different outlook. I think in terms of sports and sportsmanship.



    If you are playing a game of Basketball. If the opposing team starts using your tactics, you should not go running to the ref asking them to stop. You adept to it. If they start winning you should not try to stuff money in the refs pocket you should play harder to win.




    So I do not think if androids growth starts to stagger or even start to dissipate that Google will start to sue. I think they will step up their game to adept to the market needs and do something to lure people back.
  • Reply 68 of 448
    Is it really necessary to quote Mueller in every article related to these patent cases? He's not an expert, there's plenty other articles on these news from traditional outlets that we can quote, there's no benefit to quote this MSFT hired gun other than helping to promote this guy.
  • Reply 69 of 448
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    We all talk about the patent system needing to be reformed but I hear very little talk about what needs to be changed, and even less about what it needed to be changed to.



    Personally I think code should be patentable. However, I think that it also has a lot in common with copyrighted material and therefore needs it's own system -or- it's own set of rules within the patent system. Beyond that I have no opinion stupid or otherwise about what this should be or how this should be enacted.



    Code is patentable in the sense that algorithms implemented in code is.
  • Reply 70 of 448
    gtrgtr Posts: 3,231member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung View Post


    Well if google thinks like me then they will have a different outlook. I think in terms of sports and sportsmanship.



    If you are playing a game of Basketball. If the opposing team starts using your tactics, you should not go running to the ref asking them to stop. You adept to it. If they start winning you should not try to stuff money in the refs pocket you should play harder to win.




    So I do not think if androids growth starts to stagger or even start to dissipate that Google will start to sue. I think they will step up their game to adept to the market needs and do something to lure people back.



    True, true.



    But if the opposing team start wearing your jerseys you start screaming bloody murder to the ref, eh?



    Google probably don't sue because they're the one doing all the stealing.
  • Reply 71 of 448
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    Originally Posted by MagicFingers View Post


    Wow, the stunning intellect you've presented in your first ever post on AI leaves me wondering how this forum ever existed without you. May I please have a link to all your online social portholes so that I may follow you and gaze with amazement at your wisdom.













    And you just proved to be a smug jackass
  • Reply 72 of 448
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    By your reasoning this tablet must be awesome.



    Your reasoning is putting me to sleep.
  • Reply 73 of 448
    mhdmhd Posts: 63member
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    Originally Posted by specter2009 View Post


    And you just proved to be a smug jackass



    Magic Fingers wants your portholes. Eh heheeheheh
  • Reply 74 of 448
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    Originally Posted by MHD View Post


    The reason why they didn't go to TSMC for the A6 is because they didn't meet specs. Samsung is the most reliable manufacturer in the business.



    But it's doubtful Samsung will do anything drastic because they've already made investments in their Austin factory to ramp up production for Apple.



    Yes I heard rumors it was TSMC missing specs. But we don't know for sure. It could have just been Samsung under bid TSMC. Sure short term Apple would be hurt but like I said, Apple takes a chunk of their 100 billion and invests it into factories for TSMC or whoever and it's business as usual. What people fail to understand is Apple has locked down contracts with All of their suppliers. Samsung would probably have to pay a massive penalty for missing any "quota" due to "manufacturing difficulties" or whatever they call the reason for not supplying Apple their parts. If Samsung were to refuse any future contracts with Apple once again Apple would be hurt short term but guaranteed they would find another manufacturer and it would quickly be business as usual again. ANY company can make the chips for Apple. Apple owns the design. My opinion is Apple goes with Samsung because like you said, Samsung is the most reliable manufacturer in the business. Samsung is the most cost efficient manufacturer in the business. But make no mistake. They are NOT the ONLY manufacturer in the business. Push comes to shove, Apple spends the money and builds factories capable of duplicating Samsungs reliability. I agree with you tho, Samsung isn't going to do anything drastic.
  • Reply 75 of 448
    Ok first of all it is no secret that I tend to lean more at Google. I personally own a Galaxy Nexus as my daily phone and a Galaxy Tab 10.1 for my tablet. But I also own a iPod touch 4g and own a decent amount of stock in Apple and Google.

    I am also a real true to the core tech buff. I love technology in general. I want to see companies come out with new and great things. I would LOVE to see Apple go head to head with the best Google comes up with (Right now, ICS on the Nexus) and let the best phone win. The Nexus is NOTHING like any Apple product. It does not look like, feel like, nor work in anyway shape or form like iOS. There is no way you can confuse it. I want to see Apple do something new and different. However at this point, I think they are out of steam. Look at the launch of the past couple iOS's. Almost every feature has been a direct copy of its competitor. Don't get me wrong I am not saying that is a bad thing. You can take someone else's idea and improve on it. That is how we move ahead in the world. Apple did not come up with the touch screen smart phone. They took someone else's idea and improved it. Came up with better marketing which was better for everyone. Now they have this idea that they are the only ones that should have it now.

    I would LOVE to see Apple to come out with something great and push innovation farther. That is win win for everyone. However the trend they are doing is looking like that isn't going to happen anytime soon. I hope for my stock sake, and my thirst for tech, they do.



    As for the people here blindly saying go Apple without actually looking at both the merits of the case, as well as look at the competing phone, I would urge you to head to your local Verizon store and at least check it out. If you can honestly say it looks or acts anything like an iPhone from an objective point of view....then you win.
  • Reply 76 of 448
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    Originally Posted by Steven N. View Post


    Standard Groklaw spin. You have to understand Groklaw's motives to understand that they are as "clean" as Florian Mueller's.



    Everyone knows that Android uses Dalvik. That is not a revelation. It is claimed that Dalvik infringes on Suns's (now Oracle's) IP. That is the point of the suit.



    Back in the mid-90s, the Mosaic people at the NSCC sued MS for code theft after Internet Explorer 3 was released. MS pointed out that while they had used licensed Mosaic code in versions 1 and 2, version 3 was completely MS code, and written so from scratch. A court-selected expert compared the MS code to the original Mosaic code, and was able to demonstrate the former was at best a line-by-line translation of the latter. MS lost.



    Cheers
  • Reply 77 of 448
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    Originally Posted by topgun966 View Post


    Ok first of all it is no secret that I tend to lean more at Google. I personally own a Galaxy Nexus as my daily phone and a Galaxy Tab 10.1 for my tablet. But I also own a iPod touch 4g and own a decent amount of stock in Apple and Google.



    ??..



    As for the people here blindly saying go Apple without actually looking at both the merits of the case, as well as look at the competing phone, I would urge you to head to your local Verizon store and at least check it out. If you can honestly say it looks or acts anything like an iPhone from an objective point of view....then you win.



    Whoever pushed the Emo reply-bot button, please stop.



    Cheers
  • Reply 78 of 448
    gtrgtr Posts: 3,231member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by topgun966 View Post


    Ok first of all it is no secret that I tend to lean more at Google. I personally own a Galaxy Nexus as my daily phone and a Galaxy Tab 10.1 for my tablet. But I also own a iPod touch 4g and own a decent amount of stock in Apple and Google.

    I am also a real true to the core tech buff. I love technology in general. I want to see companies come out with new and great things. I would LOVE to see Apple go head to head with the best Google comes up with (Right now, ICS on the Nexus) and let the best phone win. The Nexus is NOTHING like any Apple product. It does not look like, feel like, nor work in anyway shape or form like iOS. There is no way you can confuse it. I want to see Apple do something new and different. However at this point, I think they are out of steam. Look at the launch of the past couple iOS's. Almost every feature has been a direct copy of its competitor. Don't get me wrong I am not saying that is a bad thing. You can take someone else's idea and improve on it. That is how we move ahead in the world. Apple did not come up with the touch screen smart phone. They took someone else's idea and improved it. Came up with better marketing which was better for everyone. Now they have this idea that they are the only ones that should have it now.

    I would LOVE to see Apple to come out with something great and push innovation farther. That is win win for everyone. However the trend they are doing is looking like that isn't going to happen anytime soon. I hope for my stock sake, and my thirst for tech, they do.



    As for the people here blindly saying go Apple without actually looking at both the merits of the case, as well as look at the competing phone, I would urge you to head to your local Verizon store and at least check it out. If you can honestly say it looks or acts anything like an iPhone from an objective point of view....then you win.



    Genuine question here:



    What innovations do you think Google has brought to the table recently?
  • Reply 79 of 448
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by topgun966 View Post


    Ok first of all it is no secret that I tend to lean more at Google. I personally own a Galaxy Nexus as my daily phone and a Galaxy Tab 10.1 for my tablet. But I also own a iPod touch 4g and own a decent amount of stock in Apple and Google.

    I am also a real true to the core tech buff. I love technology in general. I want to see companies come out with new and great things. I would LOVE to see Apple go head to head with the best Google comes up with (Right now, ICS on the Nexus) and let the best phone win. The Nexus is NOTHING like any Apple product. It does not look like, feel like, nor work in anyway shape or form like iOS. There is no way you can confuse it. I want to see Apple do something new and different. However at this point, I think they are out of steam. Look at the launch of the past couple iOS's. Almost every feature has been a direct copy of its competitor. Don't get me wrong I am not saying that is a bad thing. You can take someone else's idea and improve on it. That is how we move ahead in the world. Apple did not come up with the touch screen smart phone. They took someone else's idea and improved it. Came up with better marketing which was better for everyone. Now they have this idea that they are the only ones that should have it now.

    I would LOVE to see Apple to come out with something great and push innovation farther. That is win win for everyone. However the trend they are doing is looking like that isn't going to happen anytime soon. I hope for my stock sake, and my thirst for tech, they do.



    As for the people here blindly saying go Apple without actually looking at both the merits of the case, as well as look at the competing phone, I would urge you to head to your local Verizon store and at least check it out. If you can honestly say it looks or acts anything like an iPhone from an objective point of view....then you win.



    Oh hey look it's a "reasonable" troll who only wants what's best for everyone. Yeah, that iPhone that came out of nowhere and completely changed the phone industry? Just better marketing, but hey! That's cool! My hat's off to them!



    And iOS, which is now ushering an enormous sea-change for computing in general via the iPad, one that is toppling incumbents and shaking the industry to the core? Sort of out of steam, unfortunately, and just copying shit, at this point. But I wish it wasn't! On account of I like technology!



    I mean obviously Google would have done all this stuff anyway, at some point, Apple just sort of blundered into the next big thing a little early, is all (and don't forget the marketing!), so honestly, how can they think to hang onto it for themselves? Bad form, Apple, hope you come to your senses!



    It sure is unfortunate that all this cool shit keeps landing in the labs of those greedy slackers over at Apple. It would be much better if it started with say, Google! The people that brought you ways to extract ad money out of every internet transaction! Because they're much cooler.
  • Reply 80 of 448
    mhdmhd Posts: 63member
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    Originally Posted by Scroat View Post


    Yes I heard rumors it was TSMC missing specs. But we don't know for sure. It could have just been Samsung under bid TSMC. Sure short term Apple would be hurt but like I said, Apple takes a chunk of their 100 billion and invests it into factories for TSMC or whoever and it's business as usual. What people fail to understand is Apple has locked down contracts with All of their suppliers. Samsung would probably have to pay a massive penalty for missing any "quota" due to "manufacturing difficulties" or whatever they call the reason for not supplying Apple their parts. If Samsung were to refuse any future contracts with Apple once again Apple would be hurt short term but guaranteed they would find another manufacturer and it would quickly be business as usual again. ANY company can make the chips for Apple. Apple owns the design. My opinion is Apple goes with Samsung because like you said, Samsung is the most reliable manufacturer in the business. Samsung is the most cost efficient manufacturer in the business. But make no mistake. They are NOT the ONLY manufacturer in the business. Push comes to shove, Apple spends the money and builds factories capable of duplicating Samsungs reliability. I agree with you tho, Samsung isn't going to do anything drastic.





    Apple recently passed Sony as Samsung's biggest customer so I doubt Samsung will do any funny business with the supplies. And the fact is Apple has been depending on Samsung cpu's ever since the birth of the iphone, and Apple is not eager to make a change either.



    And you make it sound like Apple can cure cancer with it's 100 billion lol.



    Samsung, for their part, is investing $41.4 billion in 2012.

    They invested $34 billion in 2011. And so on.



    Quality does not just appear from out of the air.



    You sound like a poor guy who just won the lottery beating his chest.
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