Samsung says an Apple television won't beat them in picture quality

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  • Reply 121 of 165
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,776member
    Sorry if this has been said already ... This sounds like a parallel to RIM telling Apple they knew nothing about phones ...
  • Reply 122 of 165
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by williamh View Post


    I don't expect that many Apple customers HAVE a VCR anymore.



    Keywords were "used to"
  • Reply 123 of 165
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
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    Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post


    ...Sure... My IPhone edges out my Galaxy Nexus by 10 ppi in pixel density...



    Since when it become acceptable to count sub-pixels the same was as pixels? What makes your comment hypocritical is that you would have never counted them the same way if an Apple product used PenTile.
  • Reply 124 of 165
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
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    Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post


    What you are forgetting is that "picture quality" is in practice primarily a subjective area.



    By the numbers it can easily be demonstrated that LED TVs have poorer picture quality than LCD TVs on average, but in the market, the LED TV is currently King and most people that buy them, buy them for their "picture quality."



    Any Apple TV will no doubt have an (objectively) great quality screen but Samsung is completely wrong about this being the most important or essential quality that would make a new TV successful. All TVs (except perhaps budget crap), have excellent picture quality, it's the TV with excellent picture quality that does a bunch of things that no other TV does that will stand out, and this is exactly what Apple is likely to make.



    Plasmas beat them both. I'm curious though, TVs are sold at a low margin, will Apple follow suit?

    How many of us actually use a TVs UI? I have my cable box, and my PS3/blu-ray/DVD/Netflix/hulu player hooked up. The TVs interface never comes into play. An Apple television set will have to be so much more than a lesser priced but equally as good TV with a Apple TV box plugged into it.
  • Reply 125 of 165
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    Originally Posted by Uninterested_Viewer View Post


    The overall trend is towards less TV watching, especially with younger people. I think there are/will be less and less 'videophiles' that demand the best picture out there and more casual TV watchers who want an easy to use device with an affordable selection of on demand content- no more expensive cable plans- we don't watch TV enough to make that ever worth it. The content deals/integration will be key to this- not the biggest/best panel out there.



    I'm still not convinced a stand alone TV is better than the current AppleTV option- hopefully they continue that with the same functionality the iTV will have.



    Agreed, If Apple decides to price iTV like cinema displays they'll get laughed out of the business. The appletv is perfect device to expand, especially if you want to attach it to an hd projector instead of a tv.
  • Reply 126 of 165
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post


    Plasmas beat them both. I'm curious though, TVs are sold at a low margin, will Apple follow suit?

    How many of us actually use a TVs UI? I have my cable box, and my PS3/blu-ray/DVD/Netflix/hulu player hooked up. The TVs interface never comes into play. An Apple television set will have to be so much more than a lesser priced but equally as good TV with a Apple TV box plugged into it.



    Exactly, I use the Sky decoder/PS3/Blu-ray/DVD for the interface, and receiver etc for sound, the TV just displays stuff. And how do you upgrade this all in one AppleTV? What happens when Apple releases a new CPU, do they expect you to purchase a whole new TV?
  • Reply 127 of 165
    Samsung picture quality is great, as long as you want everything to look like a Mexican soap opera.
  • Reply 128 of 165
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post


    That's certainly not my ownership assessment, given that my Galaxy Tab 10.1, 8.9 and Galaxy Nexus have much better contrast and color fidelity than either my iPad, iPad 2, iPhone 4 or iPhone 4S, with blacks so dark on my Galaxy Nexus as to barely be discernable from the screen's black border.



    Sure... My IPhone edges out my Galaxy Nexus by 10 ppi in pixel density (far less than the advantage my Galaxy Tab 8.9 or 10.1 has over the iPad - BTW), but that's at the sacrifice of having a mere 3.5 inches of touchscreen real estate vs 4.65 inches, and in real-world use one can't tell the difference anyway.



    I have little doubt that whatever Apple brings out for a TV, it''ll be very nice, but Samsung's definitely ahead of the game when it comes to display technology.



    The advantages and disadvantages of AMOLED including the super and plus versions) are largely matter of taste and what you are using them for. A lot of people find the colours over-saturated and having a very good black is only relevant if you have a lot of black in the picture. Generally they are better for viewing pictures but worse for viewing text, particularly black on white text.

    The Tab 10.1 and 8.9 don't use AMOLED but PLS which is Samsung's version of Super IPS, the newer version of what Apple uses. It has no real difference in black level/contrast but superior brightness and viewing angles. This is largely negated on the 10.1 (and possibly the 8.9 - I've never seen one) by the fact there is a noticeable gap between the LCD and the glass which reduces both. It also leads to display distortion when the screen is touched (so called Newton's Ring's)



    For what I use my devices for, Apple's screens are better.

    Your mileage may vary
  • Reply 129 of 165
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    Exactly, I use the Sky decoder/PS3/Blu-ray/DVD for the interface, and receiver etc for sound, the TV just displays stuff. And how do you upgrade this all in one AppleTV? What happens when Apple releases a new CPU, do they expect you to purchase a whole new TV?



    i think if apple makes iTVs, there will be:

    1. APP store: games are first, it will replace ps2/3

    2. Subscription: this will replace TV boxes of course…

    i don't think apple will just launch a dumb TV…
  • Reply 130 of 165
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    Originally Posted by Dunks View Post


    Yes.



    [IMG]horrible remote /IMG]



    Absolutely.

    I f*cking hate the stupid remotes I have for TV stuff

    I would love to be able to say "Siri record the whole series of Doctor Who" or "I want to watch the Manchester United match"
  • Reply 131 of 165
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post


    iPad?



    Shooting fish in a barrel....



    What is this "competition"you speak of?



    Xoom? Tab 10.1?
  • Reply 132 of 165
    bigpicsbigpics Posts: 1,397member
    To quote Jon Gruber, we'll see what kind of "claim chowder" this looks like in a year or three....
  • Reply 133 of 165
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    Originally Posted by Naboozle View Post


    All of the people watching Hulu on their desktops/laptops already proves that ultimate picture quality isn't their overriding consideration. Give them a widescreen that's pretty damn good but gives them the interactivity and content reach they want and they'll be happy campers.



    ^^^ This.



    Rather than "bench racing" and quoting the specs of my TV to my pals, I would be much more interested in a TV option which allowed me access to the individual content options that I really WANT. My hope is that Apple will be able to convince some of the bigger content providers to offer their content through this (alleged) Apple TV, without having to subscribe to a DirecTV or cable package.



    My next set will provide good/great picture quality. But to be quite honest, I'm not interested in getting one JUST because it takes it to the nth degree. Content! Give me a great, classic movie on TCM or AMC (through iTunes or whatever), rather than a set that allows me to count the rolls of fat on Bristol Palin while she horse trots in some goofy dancing contest.
  • Reply 134 of 165
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    If Apple does produce a television set, Samsung officials believe their expertise will allow them to handily beat their rival in terms of picture quality.



    This reminds me very much of what the CEO of Palm said when Apple's first iPhone was announced. He dismissed the possibility that Apple could be a threat to their business, because they (Palm) had "years of experience" building smart phones...
  • Reply 135 of 165
    palegolaspalegolas Posts: 1,361member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    "We've not seen what they've done but what we can say is they don't have 10,000 people in R&D in the vision category," AV production manager Chris Moseley told Pocket-Lint. "They don't have the best scaling engine in the world and they don't have world renowned picture quality that has been awarded more than anyone else."

    [ View article on AppleInsider ]



    .. but they might have the content.

    YouTube didn't become a world hit because of picture quality.

    Samsung's getting worried is justified.
  • Reply 136 of 165
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cutykamu View Post


    i think if apple makes iTVs, there will be:

    1. APP store: games are first, it will replace ps2/3



    PS2 is 10+ years old, PS3 is 5+ years old. Apple will never make an "iTV" this is a preexisting trademark, but if they are to make an embedded AppleTV, how do you upgrade the hardware when they release a new CPU etc? After all the hardware doesn't last forever





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cutykamu View Post


    2. Subscription: this will replace TV boxes of course?



    In the future maybe, but not at the moment.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cutykamu View Post


    i don't think apple will just launch a dumb TV?



    Nope, they will release a new ATV device, connected to someone elses TV, they can't produce a "TV" any better than the existing companies
  • Reply 137 of 165
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    Originally Posted by Galeforce View Post


    Absolutely.

    I f*cking hate the stupid remotes I have for TV stuff

    I would love to be able to say "Siri record the whole series of Doctor Who" or "I want to watch the Manchester United match"



    I currently have to use at least 2 remotes to watch my tv. The 'universal' remote Dish Network provided only controls about 1/2 of the features of my tv and audio tuner. And if I use the AppleTV or PS3, I'm up to 3 remotes.



    A simplified interface system would be a wonderful thing.
  • Reply 138 of 165
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    PS2 is 10+ years old, PS3 is 5+ years old. Apple will never make an "iTV" this is a preexisting trademark,



    i meant with the game console which includes ps3, wii and xbox?



    Quote:

    but if they are to make an embedded AppleTV, how do you upgrade the hardware when they release a new CPU etc? After all the hardware doesn't last forever



    do you seriously upgrades the CPU in your tv? or do you really upgrades the game consoles that often? i think normally to upgrade game console need 3-5 years?





    Quote:

    In the future maybe, but not at the moment.



    that maybe true but timing will be perfect to launch together with iTV if they launch?





    Quote:

    Nope, they will release a new ATV device, connected to someone elses TV, they can't produce a "TV" any better than the existing companies



    that is a good idea
  • Reply 139 of 165
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by StLBluesFan View Post


    Nothing that guy said that can really be argued with.



    BS! In terms of picture quality Samesung has nothing on the Sharp ELITE. 10k in picture quality R&D LOL. right. Then why do the copy everything everyone else does and offer no innovative features?
  • Reply 140 of 165
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by caelitus View Post


    Looks like the list is going to be expanded.



    http://gizmodo.com/5416781/top-5-ass...quotes-in-2007



    The iPhone was a hit because the "smart" phone marketplace was in its infancy and every competitor who came after pretty much sucked. The television market is not the same. Yeah, a lot of people will say "comcast sucks" or whatever, but they're complaining about the quality of service, not the basic mechanics of watching TV.



    I'm sure this thing will be very clever, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the "problem" with television that Steve Jobs solved was "how do we turn a set monthly charge into a constant revenue stream?"
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