We have OS bloat, application bloat, ad bloat, bandwidth bloat and web content bloat...
And we continue to throw cubic inches at the problems...
Maybe GreenPeace should attack bloated websites for excessive http emissions...
My overarching rule when I developed sites -- the first page had to load in 7-13 seconds (@ 64Kb) or the visitor would lose interest and just move on...
If people want to rationalise, they can turn black to white, day to night...
3 games, 2 textbooks or other rich media books, 4-5 music albums, 3-4 audiobooks, 1 movie (or two video podcast episodes), 10-20 apps, one magazine subscription and the 16gb iPad is almost full because as you rightly say 16gb is phone storage from 3 years ago not a post computer device's storage in 2012. It's as simple as that, and we are here debating the bleeding obvious alas...
iPad is also a nice device for non-computer-literate seniors too. They have maybe one Perry Como album and a tic-tac-toe game. They might read a book or two but will mostly use it to send email, view a half a dozen pictures of the grand kids and maybe download a few recipes. A 16 GB iPad is probably twice what they actually need. Fortunately Apple realized there is more than just one usage scenario so they were clever enough to make a few different types of iPads. What will they think of next? How about two different colors to choose from? Imagine that?
iPad is also a nice device for non-computer-literate seniors too. They have maybe one Perry Como album and a tic-tac-toe game. They might read a book or two but will mostly use it to send email, view a half a dozen pictures of the grand kids and maybe download a few recipes. A 16 GB iPad is probably twice what they actually need. Fortunately Apple realized there is more than just one usage scenario so they were clever enough to make a few different types of iPads. What will they think of next? How about two different colors to choose from? Imagine that?
And that's what the hypothetical $399 16GB iPad 2 would be for. Just like the "Free" on contact iPhone 3GS and the $99 iPhone 4.
Let the rest of us play with the top of the line stuff, and let the cheapskates get the previous gen with gimped storage capacities
Exactly. It's like people are somehow OFFENDED that we even make the suggestion that in this day and age, more storage is probably going to be needed especially with a double rez screen and the apps that will come along with it.
And this age of 3GB limitations (AT&T) and capped data, this whole idea of streaming everything from iCloud isn't going to go very far either. And the iPad is supposed to be a post PC device that replaces the need for low-end notebooks or netbooks, yet I just keep hearing people talk about transferring data back and forth to their PCs or Macs in order to "conserve space".
That's the OLD way of thinking.
I swear, most people here don't act like consumers, they act like THEY are the ones managing Apple's books and defend every decision they make. I used to think such perverse thoughts of demanding how a company create their products was socialist rhetoric but now I understand it's merely selfish entitlement issues.
You people are nots if you think you're "justified" to "demand" that Apple add whatever capacity you deem necessary for your usage. Let's give no consideration to what a for-profit company might want and why they might not bend to our every whim.
Michael Gartenberg: "The iPad and other devices are not here to displace the PC (by which I mean all personal computers, whether they?re Macs or PCs running Windows). In fact, post PC means after PC, a new generation of products that build on the PC. What it doesn?t mean is sans PC, that is, without PC. The personal computer will no doubt be with us for a very long time? but that doesn?t mean we?re not in the post-PC world."
And that's what the hypothetical $399 16GB iPad 2 would be for. Just like the "Free" on contact iPhone 3GS and the $99 iPhone 4.
Let the rest of us play with the top of the line stuff, and let the cheapskates get the previous gen with gimped storage capacities
I guess I don't follow your logic. Are you arguing against a 16 GB model or for a 128 GB model? Or you are the cheapskate and want a 32GB for the price of a current 16GB?
And that's what the hypothetical $399 16GB iPad 2 would be for. Just like the "Free" on contact iPhone 3GS and the $99 iPhone 4.
Let the rest of us play with the top of the line stuff, and let the cheapskates get the previous gen with gimped storage capacities
So those that don't need the top of the line model are cheapskates? Are you really under the impression that everyone will easily use more than 14.5GB for storage? Besides myself a couple other people that are in the tech field everyone else I know, young and old, use very little of their iPad storage. Why exactly is that a problem for you and myapplelove?
You people are nots if you think you're "justified" to "demand" that Apple add whatever capacity you deem necessary for your usage. Let's give no consideration to what a for-profit company might want and why they might not bend to our every whim.
Man, I feel like Seinfeld in bizarro world. AI is the ONLY forum that I visit out of all the products I enjoy (automotive forums, gaming forums, hobby forums, photography forums, etc) where the consumers/readers are more concerned about the company in question maintaining profit margins than actually you know... talking about features we'd like to see.
Sheesh, I don't often feel like I can be an enthusiast anymore reading these forums... I have to deal with people that think they are wannabe analysts/financial experts protecting Apple from us "whackos" that dare ask for more features from future products.
I guess I don't follow your logic. Are you arguing against a 16 GB model or for a 128 GB model? Or you are the cheapskate and want a 32GB for the price of a current 16GB?
Most people I know are doing very well with 16GB models, but there are few I know that would like to have 128GB. The price doesn't matter to me. I don't see 16GB going away as it's a good size, just as 8GB seems to be holding strong for most smartphones, but could they add a 4th capacity? They certainly have 4 capacity in the iPhone with an 8GB 3GS/4 and a 16, 32, and 64GB 4S, but I can't see them going with 4 capacities of the same model so unless they can double the capacity tomorrow 16, 32, and 64GB for the iPad HD seems most likely.
If they offered a 128GB model I'd buy that, even at a $100 more. If they offered a $256GB model (assuming everything else on the NAND stayed the same) I'd pay $300 more than that model. I certainly don't feel entitled to these capacities and prices because I want them.
Man, I feel like Seinfeld in bizarro world. AI is the ONLY forum that I visit out of all the products I enjoy (automotive forums, gaming forums, hobby forums, photography forums, etc) where the consumers/readers are more concerned about the company in question maintaining profit margins than actually you know... talking about features we'd like to see.
Sheesh, I don't often feel like I can be an enthusiast anymore reading these forums... I have to deal with people that think they are wannabe analysts/financial experts protecting Apple from us "whackos" that dare ask for more features from future products.
Then explain to use why you think you are justified in demanding what and when a company releases a product if you don't think it's fucked up to think you have that entitlement as a consumer.
Man, I feel like Seinfeld in bizarro world. AI is the ONLY forum that I visit out of all the products I enjoy (automotive forums, gaming forums, hobby forums, photography forums, etc) where the consumers/readers are more concerned about the company in question maintaining profit margins than actually you know? talking about features we'd like to see.
People don't get upset at [not Apple] when they don't release such and such feature that was rumored. People don't get all whiny and angry and feeling idiotically entitled, demanding that [not Apple] immediately include said features in an update. How somehow they're OWED said feature and why [not Apple] is worthless for not including it.
I've been around the block a few times. Frigging MacRumors. This is how they behave. You have to temper this behavior, otherwise it just bursts out and you never get a moment's peace on the forums.
3 games, 2 textbooks or other rich media books, 4-5 music albums, 3-4 audiobooks, 1 movie (or two video podcast episodes), 10-20 apps, one magazine subscription and the 16gb iPad is almost full because as you rightly say 16gb is phone storage from 3 years ago not a post computer device's storage in 2012.
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And this age of 3GB limitations (AT&T) and capped data, this whole idea of streaming everything from iCloud isn't going to go very far either. And the iPad is supposed to be a post PC device that replaces the need for low-end notebooks or netbooks, yet I just keep hearing people talk about transferring data back and forth to their PCs or Macs in order to "conserve space".
That's the OLD way of thinking.
Text books. Obviously still in school-why the need for AT&T? Seems like WiFi and a free iCloud account would suffice. And at the price of tuition, 3 games is overkill.
I guess I don't follow your logic. Are you arguing against a 16 GB model or for a 128 GB model? Or you are the cheapskate and want a 32GB for the price of a current 16GB?
I'm arguing for both.
I'm arguing for a 128GB iPad 3
I'm arguing against a 16GB iPad 3
I'm arguing for a $399 16GB iPad 2
Retailers have already dropped the price of the 16GB iPad 3 down to $430 to $450 ahead of the iPad 3 launch. So why not keep the iPad 2 around at $399 and let the iPad 3 pickup from $499 at 32GB.
For those that don't need a lot of space, they can pick up the iPad 2 and get a deal. Those that want to spend a $100 more can step into the first rung of iPad 3 land.
Sounds pretty reasonable...
Whatever the outcome, I'm buying whatever $600 will get me tomorrow.
I think it will be apple's downfall if they do not adjust to their post Jobs mega corporation status. Jobs might have been a control freak and imposed ways people should do computing as opposed to pandering to their needs, but he also had a vision for computing and for the aesthetic and that was apple's saving grace. If the bookkeepers at apple right now think they can simply impose and unfairly so, be it in os x by say pimping icloud via lion and not supporting it in their just previous os, or in iOS devices by crippling entry level models of the ipad, when they are not exactly bringing innovation to the table anymore only incremental updates so far there are plenty of other fish in the sea to take their action. They can only alienate their customers this way.
If I were managing apple now I would say, let us stick an sd card too in the iPad, and let's say cap it at 32gb. It might seem a very unapple thing to do, but that might be Presicely why it should be done, because apple is not what it used to be. Give something to the customer that the competitor cannot match, don't force them to buy the next iPad simply because they couldn't afford more than the 16gb model now, you are being usatory thus and they might resent you when they ll keep exchanging files with their mac or pc cause at 16gb they cant store shit, because Samsung and google, and amazon are just around the corner and they have both the clout and the technology to match apple on many fronts.
Jobs was clever enough to hit them where it hurt most with the iPad by bringing the price aggressively down with the iPad. Do they have a strategistic there with enough insight to say Samsung is going to have retina in 3 months at most, they are giants in flash, and they can also match us in CPU and have a very comparably good mobile os in android. How long are we going to keep suing the, away? So where do we hurt them? Applle doesn't offer extensible storage and they are a closed garden, ok then hit them with an SD card option and preempt them by taking their advantage away. One of the few things Samsung can offer as an extra in the future.
Like Steve told them, don't do as I would have done, do as you judge right. Another example, 25,000,000 downloads at the app store, yet if one listens they can hear developers displeased for race to the bottom prices and not making enough, you can see the other side might gain a momentum based on (at least the pretence of) a non walled garden system. S far they are behind, but the tides can change, by virtue of them being presisely this, tides, ebbs and flows...Don't give 10,000$ to celebrate this milestone. The competition talks about a walled garden, hit them where it hurts by curating the store even better, find 100 ingenious and promising apps that are not selling well at all and sponsor them for a year. Let your developers realise that you are not there just to get their $100 to maintain the store and your 30% cut and sell boatloads of Ios devices but that you will also actively fund and protect the best of them.
Dont impose lion on people with iCloud, give them the choice to use it with snow leopard too, they ll appreciate this and they won't grow resentful when you try to sort your bugs until 10.7.3 and they downgrade to sl.
Text books. Obviously still in school-why the need for AT&T? Seems like WiFi and a free iCloud account would suffice. And at the price of tuition, 3 games is overkill.
I don't think textbooks in the cloud makes sense even over WiFi. They would have to be intelligently broken up so that sections can be grabbed automatically. If you are having to grab 1.5GB (average size per current textbook) that will take awhile on a campus network.
I don't see how others are including music, movies, and games in with textbooks for a distributed iPad from a HS. That just doesn't make much sense. If they didn't lock down the iPad then that's the school's problem.
But all that is moot since there are only 10 textbooks, it'll take awhile for them to get populated, and for adoption to take place, and for the capacity to be an issue. I'm told there are 8 class per semester in HS. How many of those are eligible per semester for a textbook. Even if all 8 classes have this textbooks the average size is 1.5GB which fits on the 14.5GB capacity of the current low-end iPad.
But that's a moot point to the aforementioned moot point as these people aren't concerned about the education market, they want to find some silly argument as to why a company has slighted for not giving them everything they promised themselves.
IRetailers have already dropped the price of the 16GB iPad 3 down to $430 to $450 ahead of the iPad 3 launch. So why not keep the iPad 2 around at $399 and let the iPad 3 pickup from $499 at 32GB.
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Sounds pretty reasonable...
Did you consider anything else about the iPad 3 in your assessment of doubling the NAND to 32GB for $499? Would you rather have a 32GB at $499 or 16GB at $499 with a Retina Display and the associated HW to run it? Not thinking of yourself, but of what the average customer would want do you think Apple would double the NAND without adding a Retina Display to keep the price at $499?
Personally, I want both... but I'm demanding it or stating that Apple is doomed if they don't offer it.
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I think it will be apple's downfall if they do not adjust to their post Jobs mega corporation status.
Then explain to use why you think you are justified in demanding what and when a company releases a product if you don't think it's fucked up to think you have that entitlement as a consumer.
That's what consumers do. We demand things. Companies listen to our bitching, and they implement what they want.
There have been plenty of cases where people bitched about something and Apple listened (i.e. removing the backlight on the revamp of the MacBook Air, then adding it back with the most recent refresh).
People that think like you said that it was a business move and they were trying to save money or that it wasn't feasible. Those of us who appreciated the feature saw it as Apple being cheap and taking away a feature that we loved.
You think like an analyst, breaking down costs, what it means to Apple's bottom line, etc.
I'm thinking like a consumer. I want, want, want.
In the grand scheme of things, I think that most consumers in general are "want" while most analysts think like you.
iPad is also a nice device for non-computer-literate seniors too. They have maybe one Perry Como album and a tic-tac-toe game. They might read a book or two but will mostly use it to send email, view a half a dozen pictures of the grand kids and maybe download a few recipes. A 16 GB iPad is probably twice what they actually need. Fortunately Apple realized there is more than just one usage scenario so they were clever enough to make a few different types of iPads. What will they think of next? How about two different colors to choose from? Imagine that?
When their kids try to load up for them a few family videos from holidays, and photos, or few nice but bulky media rich books with pictures they like, and when said seniors ask for more audiobooks, and hand them 20 cds to put on the ipad since they enjoy it so much, and get a one or two mag subscriptions, and then they go and start filling up the iPad with their 1-2 favourite music or talk shows via podcasts which they dont know how and why to easily delete, or 2-3 gamw books for th grand daughter, and then they hit the limit, and they ask, why can't grandpa take a video of your sister when she visits us and it says storage not enough, why did this nice book I bought from the bookstore with the travel pictures of Paris saying not enough storage to download... 16gb for almost ANY usage is shit, because the device is a book reader, a magazine reader, a video recorder, an audiobook player, a music player, a "radio" player via podcasts, a video player, an email client, a camera, etc. etc. ad because apple makes so much content like music, podcasts, audiobooks, newspapers, magazines, etc to readily available and easy to download.
Jobs might have been a control freak and imposed ways people should do computing as opposed to pandering to their needs, but he also had a vision for computing and for the aesthetic and that was apple's saving grace.
Your implication being that he didn't bother sharing it with anyone else during his life at Apple.
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?they are not exactly bringing innovation to the table anymore?
I stopped seriously reading right here.
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If I were managing apple now I would say, let us stick an sd card too in the iPad, and let's say cap it at 32gb.
Which is why you're not and they are. Which is why they've never done this so far.
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Give something to the customer that the competitor cannot match,
They already do.
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Do they have a strategistic there with enough insight to say Samsung is going to have retina in 3 months at most
Which won't be able to match the price, nor the user experience. It's a non-issue.
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they can also match us in CPU and have a very comparably good mobile os in android.
Apple doesn't "match the CPU" in Android phones. And yet the iPhone 3GS, clocked at 600MHz, outsells them all.
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How long are we going to keep suing the, away?
Until the truth is taken care of.
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So where do we hurt them?
By making all the profit in the industry, like they are right now.
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Applle doesn't offer extensible storage and they are a closed garden, ok then hit them with an SD card option and preempt them by taking their advantage away.
NO ONE CARES about SD storage. People aren't forgoing the iPad for it and they're not buying any other tablet for it.
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?if one listens they can hear developers displeased for race to the bottom prices and not making enough?
I've not heard that.
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Dont impose lion on people with iCloud
Heaven forbid people update their software.
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they ll appreciate this and they won't grow resentful when you try to sort your bugs until 10.7.3 and they downgrade to sl.
I've read of maybe ten people who've done that. Apple sells millions of computers and has tens of millions as an install base.
That's what consumers do. We demand things. Companies listen to our bitching, and they implement what they want.
I don't. I think like a human being. I have wants and desires but I don't think I'm entitled to them simply because the though crosses my mind.
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You think like an analyst, breaking down costs, what it means to Apple's bottom line, etc.
I'm thinking like a consumer. I want, want, want.
I think like an engineer. I think like someone who wants to understand why something may or may not happen given the available set of data. My desire for wanting 128GB in an iPad has no barring on my determination that the HiDPI display and accompanying HW may not make it feasible for Apple to offer double the storage at the current price points this year.
A little pragmatism will go a long way and you won't be so upset when the Goodship Lollipop doesn't make to port for tea time with the Mad Hatter.
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More RAM may take more power but not increasing it stunts platform growth.
Stunts the platform in comparison to what exactly?
I'm not saying adding more RAM is impossible. I'm just saying their are trade offs for everything.
That is easy! The real trick is to get an app to leverage those cores regularly.
Does Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram need four cores?
Depending on the quality of the page development. HTTP requests can still be a problem.
"One article at TheNextWeb weighed in at over 6 MB and required 342 HTTP requests.
Typical articles at The Verge take about 110 HTTP requests, and weigh about 500 KB."
Regarding TheNextWeb?s Shit-Ass Website
YeeSus Marta...
We have OS bloat, application bloat, ad bloat, bandwidth bloat and web content bloat...
And we continue to throw cubic inches at the problems...
Maybe GreenPeace should attack bloated websites for excessive http emissions...
My overarching rule when I developed sites -- the first page had to load in 7-13 seconds (@ 64Kb) or the visitor would lose interest and just move on...
Have we learned nothing?
If people want to rationalise, they can turn black to white, day to night...
3 games, 2 textbooks or other rich media books, 4-5 music albums, 3-4 audiobooks, 1 movie (or two video podcast episodes), 10-20 apps, one magazine subscription and the 16gb iPad is almost full because as you rightly say 16gb is phone storage from 3 years ago not a post computer device's storage in 2012. It's as simple as that, and we are here debating the bleeding obvious alas...
iPad is also a nice device for non-computer-literate seniors too. They have maybe one Perry Como album and a tic-tac-toe game. They might read a book or two but will mostly use it to send email, view a half a dozen pictures of the grand kids and maybe download a few recipes. A 16 GB iPad is probably twice what they actually need. Fortunately Apple realized there is more than just one usage scenario so they were clever enough to make a few different types of iPads. What will they think of next? How about two different colors to choose from? Imagine that?
iPad is also a nice device for non-computer-literate seniors too. They have maybe one Perry Como album and a tic-tac-toe game. They might read a book or two but will mostly use it to send email, view a half a dozen pictures of the grand kids and maybe download a few recipes. A 16 GB iPad is probably twice what they actually need. Fortunately Apple realized there is more than just one usage scenario so they were clever enough to make a few different types of iPads. What will they think of next? How about two different colors to choose from? Imagine that?
And that's what the hypothetical $399 16GB iPad 2 would be for. Just like the "Free" on contact iPhone 3GS and the $99 iPhone 4.
Let the rest of us play with the top of the line stuff, and let the cheapskates get the previous gen with gimped storage capacities
Exactly. It's like people are somehow OFFENDED that we even make the suggestion that in this day and age, more storage is probably going to be needed especially with a double rez screen and the apps that will come along with it.
And this age of 3GB limitations (AT&T) and capped data, this whole idea of streaming everything from iCloud isn't going to go very far either. And the iPad is supposed to be a post PC device that replaces the need for low-end notebooks or netbooks, yet I just keep hearing people talk about transferring data back and forth to their PCs or Macs in order to "conserve space".
That's the OLD way of thinking.
I swear, most people here don't act like consumers, they act like THEY are the ones managing Apple's books and defend every decision they make. I used to think such perverse thoughts of demanding how a company create their products was socialist rhetoric but now I understand it's merely selfish entitlement issues.
You people are nots if you think you're "justified" to "demand" that Apple add whatever capacity you deem necessary for your usage. Let's give no consideration to what a for-profit company might want and why they might not bend to our every whim.
And that's what the hypothetical $399 16GB iPad 2 would be for. Just like the "Free" on contact iPhone 3GS and the $99 iPhone 4.
Let the rest of us play with the top of the line stuff, and let the cheapskates get the previous gen with gimped storage capacities
I guess I don't follow your logic. Are you arguing against a 16 GB model or for a 128 GB model? Or you are the cheapskate and want a 32GB for the price of a current 16GB?
And that's what the hypothetical $399 16GB iPad 2 would be for. Just like the "Free" on contact iPhone 3GS and the $99 iPhone 4.
Let the rest of us play with the top of the line stuff, and let the cheapskates get the previous gen with gimped storage capacities
So those that don't need the top of the line model are cheapskates? Are you really under the impression that everyone will easily use more than 14.5GB for storage? Besides myself a couple other people that are in the tech field everyone else I know, young and old, use very little of their iPad storage. Why exactly is that a problem for you and myapplelove?
You people are nots if you think you're "justified" to "demand" that Apple add whatever capacity you deem necessary for your usage. Let's give no consideration to what a for-profit company might want and why they might not bend to our every whim.
Man, I feel like Seinfeld in bizarro world. AI is the ONLY forum that I visit out of all the products I enjoy (automotive forums, gaming forums, hobby forums, photography forums, etc) where the consumers/readers are more concerned about the company in question maintaining profit margins than actually you know... talking about features we'd like to see.
Sheesh, I don't often feel like I can be an enthusiast anymore reading these forums... I have to deal with people that think they are wannabe analysts/financial experts protecting Apple from us "whackos" that dare ask for more features from future products.
I guess I don't follow your logic. Are you arguing against a 16 GB model or for a 128 GB model? Or you are the cheapskate and want a 32GB for the price of a current 16GB?
Most people I know are doing very well with 16GB models, but there are few I know that would like to have 128GB. The price doesn't matter to me. I don't see 16GB going away as it's a good size, just as 8GB seems to be holding strong for most smartphones, but could they add a 4th capacity? They certainly have 4 capacity in the iPhone with an 8GB 3GS/4 and a 16, 32, and 64GB 4S, but I can't see them going with 4 capacities of the same model so unless they can double the capacity tomorrow 16, 32, and 64GB for the iPad HD seems most likely.
If they offered a 128GB model I'd buy that, even at a $100 more. If they offered a $256GB model (assuming everything else on the NAND stayed the same) I'd pay $300 more than that model. I certainly don't feel entitled to these capacities and prices because I want them.
Man, I feel like Seinfeld in bizarro world. AI is the ONLY forum that I visit out of all the products I enjoy (automotive forums, gaming forums, hobby forums, photography forums, etc) where the consumers/readers are more concerned about the company in question maintaining profit margins than actually you know... talking about features we'd like to see.
Sheesh, I don't often feel like I can be an enthusiast anymore reading these forums... I have to deal with people that think they are wannabe analysts/financial experts protecting Apple from us "whackos" that dare ask for more features from future products.
Then explain to use why you think you are justified in demanding what and when a company releases a product if you don't think it's fucked up to think you have that entitlement as a consumer.
Man, I feel like Seinfeld in bizarro world. AI is the ONLY forum that I visit out of all the products I enjoy (automotive forums, gaming forums, hobby forums, photography forums, etc) where the consumers/readers are more concerned about the company in question maintaining profit margins than actually you know? talking about features we'd like to see.
People don't get upset at [not Apple] when they don't release such and such feature that was rumored. People don't get all whiny and angry and feeling idiotically entitled, demanding that [not Apple] immediately include said features in an update. How somehow they're OWED said feature and why [not Apple] is worthless for not including it.
I've been around the block a few times. Frigging MacRumors. This is how they behave. You have to temper this behavior, otherwise it just bursts out and you never get a moment's peace on the forums.
ME SO ANGRY ME WANT TO MEDITATE.
3 games, 2 textbooks or other rich media books, 4-5 music albums, 3-4 audiobooks, 1 movie (or two video podcast episodes), 10-20 apps, one magazine subscription and the 16gb iPad is almost full because as you rightly say 16gb is phone storage from 3 years ago not a post computer device's storage in 2012.
And this age of 3GB limitations (AT&T) and capped data, this whole idea of streaming everything from iCloud isn't going to go very far either. And the iPad is supposed to be a post PC device that replaces the need for low-end notebooks or netbooks, yet I just keep hearing people talk about transferring data back and forth to their PCs or Macs in order to "conserve space".
That's the OLD way of thinking.
Text books. Obviously still in school-why the need for AT&T? Seems like WiFi and a free iCloud account would suffice. And at the price of tuition, 3 games is overkill.
I guess I don't follow your logic. Are you arguing against a 16 GB model or for a 128 GB model? Or you are the cheapskate and want a 32GB for the price of a current 16GB?
I'm arguing for both.
I'm arguing for a 128GB iPad 3
I'm arguing against a 16GB iPad 3
I'm arguing for a $399 16GB iPad 2
Retailers have already dropped the price of the 16GB iPad 3 down to $430 to $450 ahead of the iPad 3 launch. So why not keep the iPad 2 around at $399 and let the iPad 3 pickup from $499 at 32GB.
For those that don't need a lot of space, they can pick up the iPad 2 and get a deal. Those that want to spend a $100 more can step into the first rung of iPad 3 land.
Sounds pretty reasonable...
Whatever the outcome, I'm buying whatever $600 will get me tomorrow.
If I were managing apple now I would say, let us stick an sd card too in the iPad, and let's say cap it at 32gb. It might seem a very unapple thing to do, but that might be Presicely why it should be done, because apple is not what it used to be. Give something to the customer that the competitor cannot match, don't force them to buy the next iPad simply because they couldn't afford more than the 16gb model now, you are being usatory thus and they might resent you when they ll keep exchanging files with their mac or pc cause at 16gb they cant store shit, because Samsung and google, and amazon are just around the corner and they have both the clout and the technology to match apple on many fronts.
Jobs was clever enough to hit them where it hurt most with the iPad by bringing the price aggressively down with the iPad. Do they have a strategistic there with enough insight to say Samsung is going to have retina in 3 months at most, they are giants in flash, and they can also match us in CPU and have a very comparably good mobile os in android. How long are we going to keep suing the, away? So where do we hurt them? Applle doesn't offer extensible storage and they are a closed garden, ok then hit them with an SD card option and preempt them by taking their advantage away. One of the few things Samsung can offer as an extra in the future.
Like Steve told them, don't do as I would have done, do as you judge right. Another example, 25,000,000 downloads at the app store, yet if one listens they can hear developers displeased for race to the bottom prices and not making enough, you can see the other side might gain a momentum based on (at least the pretence of) a non walled garden system. S far they are behind, but the tides can change, by virtue of them being presisely this, tides, ebbs and flows...Don't give 10,000$ to celebrate this milestone. The competition talks about a walled garden, hit them where it hurts by curating the store even better, find 100 ingenious and promising apps that are not selling well at all and sponsor them for a year. Let your developers realise that you are not there just to get their $100 to maintain the store and your 30% cut and sell boatloads of Ios devices but that you will also actively fund and protect the best of them.
Dont impose lion on people with iCloud, give them the choice to use it with snow leopard too, they ll appreciate this and they won't grow resentful when you try to sort your bugs until 10.7.3 and they downgrade to sl.
Text books. Obviously still in school-why the need for AT&T? Seems like WiFi and a free iCloud account would suffice. And at the price of tuition, 3 games is overkill.
I don't think textbooks in the cloud makes sense even over WiFi. They would have to be intelligently broken up so that sections can be grabbed automatically. If you are having to grab 1.5GB (average size per current textbook) that will take awhile on a campus network.
I don't see how others are including music, movies, and games in with textbooks for a distributed iPad from a HS. That just doesn't make much sense. If they didn't lock down the iPad then that's the school's problem.
But all that is moot since there are only 10 textbooks, it'll take awhile for them to get populated, and for adoption to take place, and for the capacity to be an issue. I'm told there are 8 class per semester in HS. How many of those are eligible per semester for a textbook. Even if all 8 classes have this textbooks the average size is 1.5GB which fits on the 14.5GB capacity of the current low-end iPad.
But that's a moot point to the aforementioned moot point as these people aren't concerned about the education market, they want to find some silly argument as to why a company has slighted for not giving them everything they promised themselves.
IRetailers have already dropped the price of the 16GB iPad 3 down to $430 to $450 ahead of the iPad 3 launch. So why not keep the iPad 2 around at $399 and let the iPad 3 pickup from $499 at 32GB.
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Sounds pretty reasonable...
Did you consider anything else about the iPad 3 in your assessment of doubling the NAND to 32GB for $499? Would you rather have a 32GB at $499 or 16GB at $499 with a Retina Display and the associated HW to run it? Not thinking of yourself, but of what the average customer would want do you think Apple would double the NAND without adding a Retina Display to keep the price at $499?
Personally, I want both... but I'm demanding it or stating that Apple is doomed if they don't offer it.
I think it will be apple's downfall if they do not adjust to their post Jobs mega corporation status.
Good luck with that.
Then explain to use why you think you are justified in demanding what and when a company releases a product if you don't think it's fucked up to think you have that entitlement as a consumer.
That's what consumers do. We demand things. Companies listen to our bitching, and they implement what they want.
There have been plenty of cases where people bitched about something and Apple listened (i.e. removing the backlight on the revamp of the MacBook Air, then adding it back with the most recent refresh).
People that think like you said that it was a business move and they were trying to save money or that it wasn't feasible. Those of us who appreciated the feature saw it as Apple being cheap and taking away a feature that we loved.
You think like an analyst, breaking down costs, what it means to Apple's bottom line, etc.
I'm thinking like a consumer. I want, want, want.
In the grand scheme of things, I think that most consumers in general are "want" while most analysts think like you.
iPad is also a nice device for non-computer-literate seniors too. They have maybe one Perry Como album and a tic-tac-toe game. They might read a book or two but will mostly use it to send email, view a half a dozen pictures of the grand kids and maybe download a few recipes. A 16 GB iPad is probably twice what they actually need. Fortunately Apple realized there is more than just one usage scenario so they were clever enough to make a few different types of iPads. What will they think of next? How about two different colors to choose from? Imagine that?
When their kids try to load up for them a few family videos from holidays, and photos, or few nice but bulky media rich books with pictures they like, and when said seniors ask for more audiobooks, and hand them 20 cds to put on the ipad since they enjoy it so much, and get a one or two mag subscriptions, and then they go and start filling up the iPad with their 1-2 favourite music or talk shows via podcasts which they dont know how and why to easily delete, or 2-3 gamw books for th grand daughter, and then they hit the limit, and they ask, why can't grandpa take a video of your sister when she visits us and it says storage not enough, why did this nice book I bought from the bookstore with the travel pictures of Paris saying not enough storage to download... 16gb for almost ANY usage is shit, because the device is a book reader, a magazine reader, a video recorder, an audiobook player, a music player, a "radio" player via podcasts, a video player, an email client, a camera, etc. etc. ad because apple makes so much content like music, podcasts, audiobooks, newspapers, magazines, etc to readily available and easy to download.
Jobs might have been a control freak and imposed ways people should do computing as opposed to pandering to their needs, but he also had a vision for computing and for the aesthetic and that was apple's saving grace.
Your implication being that he didn't bother sharing it with anyone else during his life at Apple.
?they are not exactly bringing innovation to the table anymore?
I stopped seriously reading right here.
If I were managing apple now I would say, let us stick an sd card too in the iPad, and let's say cap it at 32gb.
Which is why you're not and they are. Which is why they've never done this so far.
Give something to the customer that the competitor cannot match,
They already do.
Do they have a strategistic there with enough insight to say Samsung is going to have retina in 3 months at most
Which won't be able to match the price, nor the user experience. It's a non-issue.
they can also match us in CPU and have a very comparably good mobile os in android.
Apple doesn't "match the CPU" in Android phones. And yet the iPhone 3GS, clocked at 600MHz, outsells them all.
How long are we going to keep suing the, away?
Until the truth is taken care of.
So where do we hurt them?
By making all the profit in the industry, like they are right now.
Applle doesn't offer extensible storage and they are a closed garden, ok then hit them with an SD card option and preempt them by taking their advantage away.
NO ONE CARES about SD storage. People aren't forgoing the iPad for it and they're not buying any other tablet for it.
?if one listens they can hear developers displeased for race to the bottom prices and not making enough?
I've not heard that.
Dont impose lion on people with iCloud
Heaven forbid people update their software.
they ll appreciate this and they won't grow resentful when you try to sort your bugs until 10.7.3 and they downgrade to sl.
I've read of maybe ten people who've done that. Apple sells millions of computers and has tens of millions as an install base.
That's what consumers do. We demand things. Companies listen to our bitching, and they implement what they want.
I don't. I think like a human being. I have wants and desires but I don't think I'm entitled to them simply because the though crosses my mind.
You think like an analyst, breaking down costs, what it means to Apple's bottom line, etc.
I'm thinking like a consumer. I want, want, want.
I think like an engineer. I think like someone who wants to understand why something may or may not happen given the available set of data. My desire for wanting 128GB in an iPad has no barring on my determination that the HiDPI display and accompanying HW may not make it feasible for Apple to offer double the storage at the current price points this year.
A little pragmatism will go a long way and you won't be so upset when the Goodship Lollipop doesn't make to port for tea time with the Mad Hatter.