There have been plenty of cases where people bitched about something and Apple listened (i.e. removing the backlight on the revamp of the MacBook Air, then adding it back with the most recent refresh).
People that think like you said that it was a business move and they were trying to save money or that it wasn't feasible. Those of us who appreciated the feature saw it as Apple being cheap and taking away a feature that we loved.
You nor really anyone outside of Apple clearly knows why Apple removes features or adds certain features at certain times. I'm sure to some degree it is because of user demand (bitching).
The more important question. Would the Air have sold significantly less if it did not have keyboard backlighting?
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In the grand scheme of things, I think that most consumers in general are "want" while most analysts think like you.
In my general life I don't hear anyone demanding anything in particular of Apple. Mostly on tech forums do people really care all that much.
I don't. I think like a human being. I have wants and desires but I don't think I'm entitled to them simply because the though crosses my mind.
I think like an engineer. I think like someone who wants to understand why something may or may not happen given the available set of data. My desire for wanting 128GB in an iPad has no barring on my determination that the HiDPI display and accompanying HW may not make it feasible for Apple to offer double the storage at the current price points this year.
A little pragmatism will go a long way and you won't be so upset when the Goodship Lollipop doesn't make to port for tea time with the Mad Hatter.
You make it seem like I think Apple is doomed or something if they don't do what I want. I know that my every request wont be met. Apple is getting $600 of my money tomorrow no matter what.
Then explain to use why you think you are justified in demanding what and when a company releases a product if you don't think it's fucked up to think you have that entitlement as a consumer.
Are you in your right mind? Who the fuck first of all demanded when apple should release the iPad? Did anyone here demand apple change their product cycles to fit our needs? Jesus Christ...
Who also demanded what they release? What are the big deal requests that have befallen on poor apple, I didn't see anyone demanding anything particularly onerous or futuristic, dual epaper and LCD screens, touch reactive screens, specially pretreated non glare glass, major os overhauls, near field communicators, rfids, security via voice recognition or retina's in the eyes. And even if they had done so it's a damn tech forum, people are justified in running a bit wild with their requests.
People merely said that ok you are selling us a device that can do so much, but the storage is so shit in the entry model(s) we might not be even able to do 1/10th of what we d like.
It's the right of customers to demand, they do it in car fora, in electrical appliances fora, in apparel fora, why is somehow apple exempt from all that?
And what big effing deal product is apple providing us that we should just shut up and say, apple knows best. Jobs had the foresight to create a very useful and practical device to take advantage of the slate form factor and the touch screen and now apple is incrementally making it better. The ipad was and is great as an idea and as an execution of the idea. Should we bow down and kiss their feet for sticking in a much better display (which someone else invented btw...but anyway apple is a systems integrator), cause iPad 3 is pretty much this, a great display, not much to write home on ram and CPU, and seriously crippled in terms of storage as it seems from the rumours so far?
If some of you guys, particularly you, who are otherwise very intelligent people but when it comes to apple you are delusional, if a few of you here had come off your high horse and jut said granted, storage is shit to be the same as 3 years ago, to be rhe same as the iPod nano, and to be the same as a low end smart phone, and conceded this point, the discussion would have moved on to something sane, other the insanity of having to debate the obvious...
Says the guy who feels justified in demanding what Apple releases.
PS: How's that matte Mac petition working out for you? Sure you don't want one for the iPad, too? After all, if you demand it they'll do it.
demand
an insistent and peremptory request, made as if by right.
want
have a desire to possess or do (something); wish for.
And yet you can't see how you're entitlement makes you look. Who the fuck are you to demand any company bend to your specific self interest over their self interests?
I didn't see anyone demanding anything particularly onerous or futuristic, dual paper and LCD screens, touch reactive screens, specially pretreated non glare glass, major os overhauls, near field communicators, rfids, security via voice recognition or retina's in the eyes.
You'd be surprised.
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And even if they had done so it's a damn tech forum, people are justified in running a bit wild with their requests
Not when they behave the way they do when they don't get their requests (which used to be demands, apparently, but are now requests).
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It's the right of customers to demand, they do it in car fora, in electrical appliances fora, in apparel fora, why is somehow apple exempt from all that?
As I stated earlier, because of how they behave afterward. People of course have the right to ask for features. They don't have the right to be outlandish with their requests or whine about them when they don't get them. So we try to temper their outlandishness down to realistic expectations, and that's all we're doing here.
Vote with your wallet. That's how everything works. If it really matters to you and they don't give it to you, buy from someone who does.
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seriously crippled in terms of storage as it seems from the rumours so far?
I've not read that at all. I assume 16/32/64 for storage, about which no one has complained, really. I can see these numbers being a barrier for those who want to replace their iPod (original) with an iPad, but that's a very small market segment.
It would be nice if we saw the 16GB iPad 2 stay on at $399 and the iPad 3 start at $499 with 32/64/128, but I don't expect it to happen at all, and I certainly won't be upset if it doesn't.
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granted, storage is shit to be the same as 3 years ago,
@tallest skill in this thread today I didn't hear outlandish demands though, and I did hear quite a few people rightfully complain about storage. We shall see tomorrow about the rest.
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You have to put up the money to support your wants and desires.
I will be glad if I can put my money for a 128gb iPad tomorrow, I feel with flash prices these days, and after 2 going to 3 years as an iPad customers apple should offer me a capacity to last me comfortably for the next couple of years and not cap me at 64gbs just so they release a 128gb iPhone a few months down the line. All the more so since they won't offer me a sd slot to expand to my needs.
If I sense that they are intentionally crippling my storage and not future proofing their product, if I sense that they trying to pull something on me as a customer as in snow leopard they forced me to abandostir for the buggy lion with ios crap to get basic syncing I was already paying for with mobile me with iCloud, I won't be a happy customer anymore. And as much as I dislike google's mentality and practises my hard earned cash is going to them next time on my next tablet, and who knows maybe os too.
It would be nice if we saw the 16GB iPad 2 stay on at $399 and the iPad 3 start at $499 with 32/64/128, but I don't expect it to happen at all, and I certainly won't be upset if it doesn't.
And that's all I've been saying all along. I wish Apple would do this. That would be ideal "in my eyes".
But as I said before, I have set aside $600 for an iPad 3, so I will buy whatever Wi-Fi model is at that price point. Simple as that.
Just because I WANT them to increase storage capacities across the board doesn't necessarily mean that they'll do it, but I don't think it's out of line to even DISCUSS the possibility.
I think like an engineer. I think like someone who wants to understand why something may or may not happen given the available set of data. My desire for wanting 128GB in an iPad has no barring on my determination that the HiDPI display and accompanying HW may not make it feasible for Apple to offer double the storage at the current price points this year.
A little pragmatism will go a long way and you won't be so upset when the Goodship Lollipop doesn't make to port for tea time with the Mad Hatter.
You might be an engineer but when it come to apple most of the time you think like a religious phanatic...
You constantly twist the discussion they way it suits you, even if apple cannot economically use 128gb (which as I told you before they very well can when their competitors are selling bellow cost, apple can too cut their margins down a bit, god knows they have content to sell via the iPad to make up for it), they have the option to add an sd slot for example. That's not unfeasible form an engineering stand point, they don't want to do it, because they want in two years the storage they offer to be obsolete and have people buying again, as a consumer this does not make me too happy.
But forget accepting lower margins, forget the Sd card slot, as an engineer do you really expect us to believe that the no one purchaser of ram on the world, with unpreccedented negotiating power for lower prices cannot afford an extra 16gb to raise their entry model after three years cause financially this is not pragmatic for them? Again you chose what to reply to by answering only to the max storage demands, and conveniently discarded the issue of the crippling low storage of the entry model that's apparently been the same for 3 iterations, an apple first, I don't think they have ever retained the same storage for a computer/iPod/device the same for 2 going to 3 years.
And typically you end the post with rude sarcasm for anyone who doesn't share your point of view, and are apparently lunatics in your book. Great stuff...
And that's all I've been saying all along. I wish Apple would do this. That would be ideal "in my eyes".
That's all everyone but myapplelove has been saying except the guy you were agreeing with.
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Just because I WANT them to increase storage capacities across the board doesn't necessarily mean that they'll do it, but I don't think it's out of line to even DISCUSS the possibility.
You should also DISCUSS the possibilities as to why this might not happen.
I will be glad if I can put my money for a 128gb iPad tomorrow, I feel with flash prices these days,
Yes have you seen the prices of flash storage these days? Who else offers 128GB of internal flash storage?
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and after 2 going to 3 years as an iPad customers apple should offer me a capacity to last me comfortably for the next couple of years and not cap me at 64gbs just so they release a 128gb iPhone a few months down the line.
Absolutely Apple has a nefarious plan to deny you 128GB to force you to buy a new iPad. That's all it is. You are so smart you don't let them pull one over on you........
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If I sense that they are intentionally crippling my storage and not future proofing their product, if I sense that they trying to pull something on me as a customer as in snow leopard they forced me to abandostir for the buggy lion with ios crap to get basic syncing I was already paying for with mobile me with iCloud, I won't be a happy customer anymore. And as much as I dislike google's mentality and practises my hard earned cash is going to them next time on my next tablet, and who knows maybe os too.
Rational conversation has clearly come to any end.
Are you really even looking at what you are saying?
Apple's competitors are selling below cost and they are generally selling devices with 8GB or 16GB internal storage. You think Apple should be able to easily ship 128GB internal storage?
You don't see the flaw in your logic?
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You constantly twist the discussion they way it suits you, even if apple cannot economically use 128gb (which as I told you before they very well can when their competitors are selling bellow cost, apple can too cut their margins down a bit
even if apple cannot economically use 128gb (which as I told you before they very well can when their competitors are selling bellow cost, apple can too cut their margins down a bit, god knows they have content to sell via the iPad to make up for it), they have the option to add an add an sd slot for example. That not unfeasible form an engineering stand point, they don't want to do it, because they want in two years e storage they offer to be obsolete and have people buying again, as a consumer this does not make me too happy.
So your argument is that because they can do it they should? That's rational to you? Hint: It's not. Now if you said 'I hope they offer a 128GB model tomorrow at the same price points... or even lower... whilst bring us the HiDPI display that would be great"... but you didn't. I did, others did, you didn't.
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crippling low storage of the entry model that's apparently been the same for 3 iterations, an apple first.
So now it's not that 64GB isn't enough but 16GB is crippling despite the sales over 2 years. Good one¡
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And typically you d the post with rinse sarcasm for anyone who doesn't share your point of view, and are apparently lunatics in your book. Great stuff...
I do use sarcasm, especially with people who are talking shit, but that doesn't mean they have to share my PoV. I disagree on many topics with many posters here I've come to know as friends. I only poke and prod the ones the one that come across to have no consideration or respect for anything or anyone but themselves. By saying that a company should do what you demand regardless of how it affects them or how it would affect their customer base puts you squarely in that category.
PS: I know you have the money to buy me an iPad 3 so I demand you do. I feel justified in saying that.
Listen "Sheldon", I think you've already done a god job at that
1) Are you trying to make a personal attack there?
2) I also think I made a good go at seeing why doubling the NAND might not happen but I'm sure I've missed many points. What's to fear from from seeing the big big picture? It doesn't lessen your desires but it can ground them.
Yes have you seen the prices of flash storage these days? Who else offers 128GB of internal flash storage?
Absolutely Apple has a nefarious plan to deny you 128GB to force you to buy a new iPad. That's all it is. You are so smart you don't let them pull one over on you........
Rational conversation has clearly come to any end.
oh yeah, why? Didn't they pimp iCloud via lion, and they forced people to upgrade by withholding it form sl? What's irrational in what I am saying? I was paying MobileMe for two years and all of a sudden when it became a free service I was disallowed to use it in snow leopard, the .6 version of os x and I had to be forced to upgrade to .7 to use a service I d been paying for so long, a service which by appke's own admission was (at least Steve had the guts to say it upfront...) wasn't any good to begin with, just to have the benefit to keep syncing my data? Where's the irrationality in what I am saying other than I confronting your apparent denial? Or it irrational that I am contemplating switching to a different manufacturer in the future? Or is it irrational that by not offering an Sd card upgrade option, and by keeping iPad storage without upgrade for three years (and who's doing this, the company who can buy flash cheaper than anyone in the world) they forcing me in a cycle of upgrades where my device at 64gbs is close to obsolete in two years?
As for your first two points, you know who offers 128gb internal storage these days? Apple do so. They do so on the iPod touch, and they do so in the MacBook air? Yes I ve seen prices for flash these days, they don't warrant the top specked iPad model to stag spate at 64gb for three years, no one is asking them for a 256 gb model, they just ask them to match the low end MacBook air.
Of course they have a plan to force people to upgrade more often, why wouldn't they? Most companies in the tech world know what to provide and what to withhold to ensure consumers upgrade and spend more.
1) Are you trying to make a personal attack there?
2) I also think I made a good go at seeing why doubling the NAND might not happen but I'm sure I've missed many points. What's to fear from from seeing the big big picture? It doesn't lessen your desires but it can ground them.
It was a joke alluding to the fact that you already have discussed the downsides in this thread and that your analytical behavior reminds me of Sheldon Cooper
Whatever the outcome, I'm buying whatever $600 will get me tomorrow.
If you only have $600 your argument of letting the geeks have the cutting edge tech and leave the cheapskates to the old model holds no water. You are going to have to choose between storage and cell capability.
Those retired seniors saved their money and can afford whatever model they select. You won't be selecting. You will be settling. Big hat no cattle.
I was paying MobileMe for two years and all of a sudden when it became a free service I was disallowed to use it in snow leopard
MobileMe was never a free service but they did extend everyone's MobileMe service until June 2012 for free. This is usable on Snow Leopard.
Apple's move to iCloud is a new service. It's a free service. In many ways it's based off of MobileMe but they are not one and the same. Because you paid for MobileMe doesn't mean that Apple has to offer you the same services under iCloud. It's a new start with less storage than the paid MobileMe account and is only supported by Lion. It's really not hard to fathom their reasoning.
It would be nice if MobileMe was extended for another year (paid or unpaid) so those on SL could still continue with it as I think 2012 is early to drop the service, but it's irrational to think a company doesn't have that choice when your agreement with them was for 1 year, not forever.
It's also irrational to say Apple forced you to do anything. You don't like a product you don't buy it or continuing using it. You don't think Apple is being faithful by their Mac Elite by getting in new Mac users and getting a way overdue handle on how to run a cloud service that's fine, you have the right to go elsewhere. No one is demanding you use their products. It's really that simple.
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There have been plenty of cases where people bitched about something and Apple listened (i.e. removing the backlight on the revamp of the MacBook Air, then adding it back with the most recent refresh).
People that think like you said that it was a business move and they were trying to save money or that it wasn't feasible. Those of us who appreciated the feature saw it as Apple being cheap and taking away a feature that we loved.
You nor really anyone outside of Apple clearly knows why Apple removes features or adds certain features at certain times. I'm sure to some degree it is because of user demand (bitching).
The more important question. Would the Air have sold significantly less if it did not have keyboard backlighting?
In the grand scheme of things, I think that most consumers in general are "want" while most analysts think like you.
In my general life I don't hear anyone demanding anything in particular of Apple. Mostly on tech forums do people really care all that much.
I don't. I think like a human being. I have wants and desires but I don't think I'm entitled to them simply because the though crosses my mind.
I think like an engineer. I think like someone who wants to understand why something may or may not happen given the available set of data. My desire for wanting 128GB in an iPad has no barring on my determination that the HiDPI display and accompanying HW may not make it feasible for Apple to offer double the storage at the current price points this year.
A little pragmatism will go a long way and you won't be so upset when the Goodship Lollipop doesn't make to port for tea time with the Mad Hatter.
You make it seem like I think Apple is doomed or something if they don't do what I want. I know that my every request wont be met. Apple is getting $600 of my money tomorrow no matter what.
They have already won.
I'm thinking like a consumer. I want, want, want.
Then explain to use why you think you are justified in demanding what and when a company releases a product if you don't think it's fucked up to think you have that entitlement as a consumer.
Are you in your right mind? Who the fuck first of all demanded when apple should release the iPad? Did anyone here demand apple change their product cycles to fit our needs? Jesus Christ...
Who also demanded what they release? What are the big deal requests that have befallen on poor apple, I didn't see anyone demanding anything particularly onerous or futuristic, dual epaper and LCD screens, touch reactive screens, specially pretreated non glare glass, major os overhauls, near field communicators, rfids, security via voice recognition or retina's in the eyes. And even if they had done so it's a damn tech forum, people are justified in running a bit wild with their requests.
People merely said that ok you are selling us a device that can do so much, but the storage is so shit in the entry model(s) we might not be even able to do 1/10th of what we d like.
It's the right of customers to demand, they do it in car fora, in electrical appliances fora, in apparel fora, why is somehow apple exempt from all that?
And what big effing deal product is apple providing us that we should just shut up and say, apple knows best. Jobs had the foresight to create a very useful and practical device to take advantage of the slate form factor and the touch screen and now apple is incrementally making it better. The ipad was and is great as an idea and as an execution of the idea. Should we bow down and kiss their feet for sticking in a much better display (which someone else invented btw...but anyway apple is a systems integrator), cause iPad 3 is pretty much this, a great display, not much to write home on ram and CPU, and seriously crippled in terms of storage as it seems from the rumours so far?
If some of you guys, particularly you, who are otherwise very intelligent people but when it comes to apple you are delusional, if a few of you here had come off your high horse and jut said granted, storage is shit to be the same as 3 years ago, to be rhe same as the iPod nano, and to be the same as a low end smart phone, and conceded this point, the discussion would have moved on to something sane, other the insanity of having to debate the obvious...
...come off your high horse...
Says the guy who feels justified in demanding what Apple releases.
PS: How's that matte Mac petition working out for you? Sure you don't want one for the iPad, too? After all, if you demand it they'll do it.
I didn't see anyone demanding anything particularly onerous or futuristic, dual paper and LCD screens, touch reactive screens, specially pretreated non glare glass, major os overhauls, near field communicators, rfids, security via voice recognition or retina's in the eyes.
You'd be surprised.
And even if they had done so it's a damn tech forum, people are justified in running a bit wild with their requests
Not when they behave the way they do when they don't get their requests (which used to be demands, apparently, but are now requests).
It's the right of customers to demand, they do it in car fora, in electrical appliances fora, in apparel fora, why is somehow apple exempt from all that?
As I stated earlier, because of how they behave afterward. People of course have the right to ask for features. They don't have the right to be outlandish with their requests or whine about them when they don't get them. So we try to temper their outlandishness down to realistic expectations, and that's all we're doing here.
Vote with your wallet. That's how everything works. If it really matters to you and they don't give it to you, buy from someone who does.
seriously crippled in terms of storage as it seems from the rumours so far?
I've not read that at all. I assume 16/32/64 for storage, about which no one has complained, really. I can see these numbers being a barrier for those who want to replace their iPod (original) with an iPad, but that's a very small market segment.
It would be nice if we saw the 16GB iPad 2 stay on at $399 and the iPad 3 start at $499 with 32/64/128, but I don't expect it to happen at all, and I certainly won't be upset if it doesn't.
granted, storage is shit to be the same as 3 years ago,
Except I don't believe that, so I won't say it.
You have to put up the money to support your wants and desires.
I will be glad if I can put my money for a 128gb iPad tomorrow, I feel with flash prices these days, and after 2 going to 3 years as an iPad customers apple should offer me a capacity to last me comfortably for the next couple of years and not cap me at 64gbs just so they release a 128gb iPhone a few months down the line. All the more so since they won't offer me a sd slot to expand to my needs.
If I sense that they are intentionally crippling my storage and not future proofing their product, if I sense that they trying to pull something on me as a customer as in snow leopard they forced me to abandostir for the buggy lion with ios crap to get basic syncing I was already paying for with mobile me with iCloud, I won't be a happy customer anymore. And as much as I dislike google's mentality and practises my hard earned cash is going to them next time on my next tablet, and who knows maybe os too.
It would be nice if we saw the 16GB iPad 2 stay on at $399 and the iPad 3 start at $499 with 32/64/128, but I don't expect it to happen at all, and I certainly won't be upset if it doesn't.
And that's all I've been saying all along. I wish Apple would do this. That would be ideal "in my eyes".
But as I said before, I have set aside $600 for an iPad 3, so I will buy whatever Wi-Fi model is at that price point. Simple as that.
Just because I WANT them to increase storage capacities across the board doesn't necessarily mean that they'll do it, but I don't think it's out of line to even DISCUSS the possibility.
I think like an engineer. I think like someone who wants to understand why something may or may not happen given the available set of data. My desire for wanting 128GB in an iPad has no barring on my determination that the HiDPI display and accompanying HW may not make it feasible for Apple to offer double the storage at the current price points this year.
A little pragmatism will go a long way and you won't be so upset when the Goodship Lollipop doesn't make to port for tea time with the Mad Hatter.
You might be an engineer but when it come to apple most of the time you think like a religious phanatic...
You constantly twist the discussion they way it suits you, even if apple cannot economically use 128gb (which as I told you before they very well can when their competitors are selling bellow cost, apple can too cut their margins down a bit, god knows they have content to sell via the iPad to make up for it), they have the option to add an sd slot for example. That's not unfeasible form an engineering stand point, they don't want to do it, because they want in two years the storage they offer to be obsolete and have people buying again, as a consumer this does not make me too happy.
But forget accepting lower margins, forget the Sd card slot, as an engineer do you really expect us to believe that the no one purchaser of ram on the world, with unpreccedented negotiating power for lower prices cannot afford an extra 16gb to raise their entry model after three years cause financially this is not pragmatic for them? Again you chose what to reply to by answering only to the max storage demands, and conveniently discarded the issue of the crippling low storage of the entry model that's apparently been the same for 3 iterations, an apple first, I don't think they have ever retained the same storage for a computer/iPod/device the same for 2 going to 3 years.
And typically you end the post with rude sarcasm for anyone who doesn't share your point of view, and are apparently lunatics in your book. Great stuff...
And that's all I've been saying all along. I wish Apple would do this. That would be ideal "in my eyes".
That's all everyone but myapplelove has been saying except the guy you were agreeing with.
Just because I WANT them to increase storage capacities across the board doesn't necessarily mean that they'll do it, but I don't think it's out of line to even DISCUSS the possibility.
You should also DISCUSS the possibilities as to why this might not happen.
I will be glad if I can put my money for a 128gb iPad tomorrow, I feel with flash prices these days,
Yes have you seen the prices of flash storage these days? Who else offers 128GB of internal flash storage?
and after 2 going to 3 years as an iPad customers apple should offer me a capacity to last me comfortably for the next couple of years and not cap me at 64gbs just so they release a 128gb iPhone a few months down the line.
Absolutely Apple has a nefarious plan to deny you 128GB to force you to buy a new iPad. That's all it is. You are so smart you don't let them pull one over on you........
If I sense that they are intentionally crippling my storage and not future proofing their product, if I sense that they trying to pull something on me as a customer as in snow leopard they forced me to abandostir for the buggy lion with ios crap to get basic syncing I was already paying for with mobile me with iCloud, I won't be a happy customer anymore. And as much as I dislike google's mentality and practises my hard earned cash is going to them next time on my next tablet, and who knows maybe os too.
Rational conversation has clearly come to any end.
You should also DISCUSS the possibilities as to why this might not happen.
You should also DISCUSS the possibilities as to why this might not happen.
Listen "Sheldon", I think you've already done a god job at that
Apple's competitors are selling below cost and they are generally selling devices with 8GB or 16GB internal storage. You think Apple should be able to easily ship 128GB internal storage?
You don't see the flaw in your logic?
You constantly twist the discussion they way it suits you, even if apple cannot economically use 128gb (which as I told you before they very well can when their competitors are selling bellow cost, apple can too cut their margins down a bit
even if apple cannot economically use 128gb (which as I told you before they very well can when their competitors are selling bellow cost, apple can too cut their margins down a bit, god knows they have content to sell via the iPad to make up for it), they have the option to add an add an sd slot for example. That not unfeasible form an engineering stand point, they don't want to do it, because they want in two years e storage they offer to be obsolete and have people buying again, as a consumer this does not make me too happy.
So your argument is that because they can do it they should? That's rational to you? Hint: It's not. Now if you said 'I hope they offer a 128GB model tomorrow at the same price points... or even lower... whilst bring us the HiDPI display that would be great"... but you didn't. I did, others did, you didn't.
crippling low storage of the entry model that's apparently been the same for 3 iterations, an apple first.
So now it's not that 64GB isn't enough but 16GB is crippling despite the sales over 2 years. Good one¡
And typically you d the post with rinse sarcasm for anyone who doesn't share your point of view, and are apparently lunatics in your book. Great stuff...
I do use sarcasm, especially with people who are talking shit, but that doesn't mean they have to share my PoV. I disagree on many topics with many posters here I've come to know as friends. I only poke and prod the ones the one that come across to have no consideration or respect for anything or anyone but themselves. By saying that a company should do what you demand regardless of how it affects them or how it would affect their customer base puts you squarely in that category.
PS: I know you have the money to buy me an iPad 3 so I demand you do. I feel justified in saying that.
Listen "Sheldon", I think you've already done a god job at that
1) Are you trying to make a personal attack there?
2) I also think I made a good go at seeing why doubling the NAND might not happen but I'm sure I've missed many points. What's to fear from from seeing the big big picture? It doesn't lessen your desires but it can ground them.
Yes have you seen the prices of flash storage these days? Who else offers 128GB of internal flash storage?
Absolutely Apple has a nefarious plan to deny you 128GB to force you to buy a new iPad. That's all it is. You are so smart you don't let them pull one over on you........
Rational conversation has clearly come to any end.
oh yeah, why? Didn't they pimp iCloud via lion, and they forced people to upgrade by withholding it form sl? What's irrational in what I am saying? I was paying MobileMe for two years and all of a sudden when it became a free service I was disallowed to use it in snow leopard, the .6 version of os x and I had to be forced to upgrade to .7 to use a service I d been paying for so long, a service which by appke's own admission was (at least Steve had the guts to say it upfront...) wasn't any good to begin with, just to have the benefit to keep syncing my data? Where's the irrationality in what I am saying other than I confronting your apparent denial? Or it irrational that I am contemplating switching to a different manufacturer in the future? Or is it irrational that by not offering an Sd card upgrade option, and by keeping iPad storage without upgrade for three years (and who's doing this, the company who can buy flash cheaper than anyone in the world) they forcing me in a cycle of upgrades where my device at 64gbs is close to obsolete in two years?
As for your first two points, you know who offers 128gb internal storage these days? Apple do so. They do so on the iPod touch, and they do so in the MacBook air? Yes I ve seen prices for flash these days, they don't warrant the top specked iPad model to stag spate at 64gb for three years, no one is asking them for a 256 gb model, they just ask them to match the low end MacBook air.
Of course they have a plan to force people to upgrade more often, why wouldn't they? Most companies in the tech world know what to provide and what to withhold to ensure consumers upgrade and spend more.
1) Are you trying to make a personal attack there?
2) I also think I made a good go at seeing why doubling the NAND might not happen but I'm sure I've missed many points. What's to fear from from seeing the big big picture? It doesn't lessen your desires but it can ground them.
It was a joke alluding to the fact that you already have discussed the downsides in this thread and that your analytical behavior reminds me of Sheldon Cooper
It wasn't meant as an attack, relax
Whatever the outcome, I'm buying whatever $600 will get me tomorrow.
If you only have $600 your argument of letting the geeks have the cutting edge tech and leave the cheapskates to the old model holds no water. You are going to have to choose between storage and cell capability.
Those retired seniors saved their money and can afford whatever model they select. You won't be selecting. You will be settling. Big hat no cattle.
I was paying MobileMe for two years and all of a sudden when it became a free service I was disallowed to use it in snow leopard
MobileMe was never a free service but they did extend everyone's MobileMe service until June 2012 for free. This is usable on Snow Leopard.
Apple's move to iCloud is a new service. It's a free service. In many ways it's based off of MobileMe but they are not one and the same. Because you paid for MobileMe doesn't mean that Apple has to offer you the same services under iCloud. It's a new start with less storage than the paid MobileMe account and is only supported by Lion. It's really not hard to fathom their reasoning.
It would be nice if MobileMe was extended for another year (paid or unpaid) so those on SL could still continue with it as I think 2012 is early to drop the service, but it's irrational to think a company doesn't have that choice when your agreement with them was for 1 year, not forever.
It's also irrational to say Apple forced you to do anything. You don't like a product you don't buy it or continuing using it. You don't think Apple is being faithful by their Mac Elite by getting in new Mac users and getting a way overdue handle on how to run a cloud service that's fine, you have the right to go elsewhere. No one is demanding you use their products. It's really that simple.