They probably want 75% of the tablet market - something like the iPod market, and something they can easily achieve.
I am tired of this kind of argument, Apple is not for the rich. It is not even just for the middle class. The iPad is cheap. The iPad 2 is cheaper. There is no cheaper 10" model, and since the cost of screens is a large issue, there won't be, unless the Kindle 10" is way subsidised.
This is by far the best argument I have seen on the issue.
Still not going to stop me from hauling around a sofa on it. I'll just strap it to the roof instead of throwing it in the back. I can survive just fine with one device, that's one of the great things about having a open source OS, I can always figure out how to make it work for me.
Uh I don't think there is anyone on this planet that's saying that by Apple just calling it iPad and not iPad 3 will bring doom upon the house of Apple. That's just silly, even the biggest hater knows Apple will sell bagillion of these things.
That's the thing about customers who don't buy your product. You don't see them! Did Apple call you after you ordered a Dell and ask why you didn't come to them? If there was no Kindle Fire, and no other competing tablet on the market, do you really think that Apple wouldn't have sold more iPads?
Yeah, that's how you know the Fire is taking iPad customers.
My clients (I'm in the computer support business) choose between iPad and Kindle all the time. While I recommend iPad generally, if they are buying it for a 8 year old, or 3 of them, and $1500 is a lot of money, I won't discourage them from the Kindle fire. If the Fire didn't exist, I would tell them just buy an iPad for the family and keep it well protected.
That's a lost sale, and I'm PRETTY sure my clients aren't the only outliers who consider the extra $400 investment to be difficult.
Uh huh. So you know more about Apple's customer than Tim Cook? Sorry, but I don't believe it.
While there might be a few people who are choosing between the two, Apple's experience is that the number is tiny - and I agree. I don't know anyone who has done so.
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK
What? You are joking? Why do you think they kept the iPad 2 and lowered the price.
What makes you think they did it to compete with the Fire? Maybe they're competing with the other tablets?
In fact, Apple publicly stated that they're NOT competing with the Fire. I'll believe Apple before you, thank you.
I use my computer probably 10 hours a day. I would go cross eyed looking at a 10" screen for that length of time day after day.
Second point - I usually have at least 5 applications running on my computer at the same so I can flip between them quickly. When you can do that on an iPad come back and tell me how it's an alternative to the Mac/PC for people who use their computer for more than pissing about on the internet, email and watching TV.
Some businesses are not well suited to be handled with only an iPad. Others perhaps are. I'm like you in that I need a lot more granular control over my applications and computer. The iPad has copy and paste but it is far from efficient enough for seamless multitasking. Sometimes depending on the length or structure of a paragraph you simply cannot copy the text you want no matter how hard you try. That kind of clumsy interface issue is emblematic of how inefficient the iPad actually is for quick concise complex actions even if it is a rather mundane text handling task. The iPad is adequate for casual browsing and emailing but really a chore when trying accomplish much else from a business perspective.
Sure there are specialized apps for reading x-rays or trading stocks but even specialized apps have their compromises and are usually a shell of the feature set on a full desktop app.
No, technically, market share is measured when a product is purchased by a consumer.
Interesting...
Analysts quote "shipments" for the quarter... because manufacturers rarely provide a definite number of sales to consumers. The manufacturers usually talk about "channel shipments" whenever they issue a press release.
So where is this market share data coming from?
If I wanted to know how many Xyboards that Motorola sold to consumers last quarter... where can I find this information?
And Amazon NEVER shares its sales data at all...
Where exactly can I read about each manufacturers' sales to consumers?
If you're right... and market share is, in fact, the number of tablets purchased by the consumer... I'd like to see each and every Android tablet manufacturer publish their end-user sales numbers.
I haven't yet seen enough data to show that 39% of tablets sold to consumers last quarter were Android tablets...
EDIT: SolipsismX below has some insight. "Market share" is any and all units on the market... sold or unsold.
The correct term for the number of units purchased by consumers is "installed base"
That last link includes include a link to an even earlier citation for the name "iPad", an April Fools post linking to a nonexistent Apple "iPad" page. Except-- that link now goes to Apple's iPad page for the actual iPad. Weird!
Some businesses are not well suited to be handled with only an iPad. Others perhaps are. I'm like you in that I need a lot more granular control over my applications and computer. The iPad has copy and paste but it is far from efficient enough for seamless multitasking. Sometimes depending on the length or structure of a paragraph you simply cannot copy the text you want no matter how hard you try. That kind of clumsy interface issue is emblematic of how inefficient the iPad actually is for quick concise complex actions even if it is a rather mundane text handling task. The iPad is adequate for casual browsing and emailing but really a chore when trying accomplish much else, at least not without a struggle.
Well not just email and browsing. It's good at; music, video (well android tablets are much better here but it's okay), games (iPad has some great games), music creation (awesome as a portable studio), document proofing (very useful), ultimate machine to relax to after a long day at the office.
I certainly excited about getting mine on Friday. It's reached Louisville, KY per UPS tracking. I'm replacing an iPad 2 and doing it for the new screen.
Damnit, mine's in Louisville too. So close and yet so far.
Can't wait to see the new screen either - should be totally great for surfing & reading.
Well color me fanboy - except that it's also better than the competition.
No, technically, market share is measured when a product is purchased by a consumer.
I don't think that's accurate. Market share, obviously refers to the share of the market. The market being how many units within a market are sold within a set time frame. That sale doesn't have to be and end user, it can be a retailer or some other intermediary that buys and pays for the product from the vendor.
Installed base is a measure of the units in consumers hands and still actively used at a given time.
Right?
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Originally Posted by mrstep
Damnit, mine's in Louisville too. So close and yet so far.
Mine is a 3 hour drive away. I want to drive down and snag it.
Uh huh. So you know more about Apple's customer than Tim Cook? Sorry, but I don't believe it.
While there might be a few people who are choosing between the two, Apple's experience is that the number is tiny - and I agree. I don't know anyone who has done so.
Two problems with that.
First, I doubt Tim Cook talks to a lot of people who are looking to make a decision about which tablet to buy. I am POSITIVE that he talks to a lot of people whose income goes up with Apple's stock goes up though.
Second, do you seriously believe everything you hear from someone with a vested interest? Pretty dumb. Here's a tip - company executives say positive things when asked questions about the company. Duh.
Also, why would you quote yourself in your signature? Can't find anyone with any chops who agrees with that ridiculous sentiment?
I don't know what you mean by "anyone with chops" but I'm guessing you don't think I have any.
People that run financial insitutions aren't any more inherently honest than the rest of the public. In all areas of society we need laws to keep unscrupulous people in check. That's what financial regulations are for and not having the right ones (particularly Glass/Steagle) melted our economy.
Uh huh. So you know more about Apple's customer than Tim Cook? Sorry, but I don't believe it.
While there might be a few people who are choosing between the two, Apple's experience is that the number is tiny - and I agree. I don't know anyone who has done so.
What makes you think they did it to compete with the Fire? Maybe they're competing with the other tablets?
In fact, Apple publicly stated that they're NOT competing with the Fire. I'll believe Apple before you, thank you.
Do you believe everything Apple says? I know I don't.
Apple may not be competing with the Kindle Fire but Amazon sure as hell are going after potential iPad buyers. Just look at all the Kindle adverts. Almost all of them compare the Kindle to the iPad directly.
I don't think that's accurate. Market share, obviously refers to the share of the market. The market being how many units within a market are sold within a set time frame. That sale doesn't have to be and end user, it can be a retailer or some other intermediary that buys and pays for the product from the vendor.
Installed base is a measure of the units in consumers hands and still actively used at a given time.
Right?
Of which Android and co. manufacturers always use whatever number suited them regardless whether it is accurate in real use or not. Marketing... It is all numbers. case in point, in prev. article -- Andy Rubin, is all about device activation (once it is activated, boom! with BOGOF, boom and boom! - w/o mentioning how many returned units, customer satisfaction or device longevity.
I don't know what you mean by "anyone with chops" but I'm guessing you don't think I have any.
People that run financial insitutions aren't any more inherently honest than the rest of the public. In all areas of society we need laws to keep unscrupulous people in check. That's what financial regulations are for and not having the right ones (particularly Glass/Steagle) melted our economy.
It's a take off of the actual famous quote - the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money to spend. The argument I have with it is not that finance need not be regulated, but anyone using that quote is clearly trying to suggest that finance is as fundamentally flawed as socialism is, which is the ridiculous part.
And yeah, who quotes THEMSELVES in their signature? Sociopaths?
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I can't wait to hear from all the Apple haters who insisted that it would be a failure because of the name.
What's in a name?
I know you're talking about "the new iPad" name used for (who would've guessed?) the new iPad, but just for kicks...
Macrumos forum member nails "iPad" in 2003:
http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/commen..._ipad_in_2003/
Here's an earlier and better prediction from 2003:
http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/...C/t-23590.html
Here's someone else from August of last year writing about those 2003 predictions:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...ight=macquest+
They probably want 75% of the tablet market - something like the iPod market, and something they can easily achieve.
I am tired of this kind of argument, Apple is not for the rich. It is not even just for the middle class. The iPad is cheap. The iPad 2 is cheaper. There is no cheaper 10" model, and since the cost of screens is a large issue, there won't be, unless the Kindle 10" is way subsidised.
This is by far the best argument I have seen on the issue.
http://www.slate.com/articles/techno..._success_.html
What's your definition of cheap? The iPad is more expensive than most laptops.
a truck is not a car.
Still not going to stop me from hauling around a sofa on it. I'll just strap it to the roof instead of throwing it in the back. I can survive just fine with one device, that's one of the great things about having a open source OS, I can always figure out how to make it work for me.
Hehe...
Macrumos forum member nails "iPad" in 2003.
http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/commen..._ipad_in_2003/
Here's an earlier and better prediction from 2003:
http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/...C/t-23590.html
Here's someone else from August of last year writing about those 2003 predictions:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...ight=macquest+
Uh I don't think there is anyone on this planet that's saying that by Apple just calling it iPad and not iPad 3 will bring doom upon the house of Apple. That's just silly, even the biggest hater knows Apple will sell bagillion of these things.
So that means all of these laptops are toys because they are also sold at Toys R Us?
American kids are obviously richer than British kids.
That's the thing about customers who don't buy your product. You don't see them! Did Apple call you after you ordered a Dell and ask why you didn't come to them? If there was no Kindle Fire, and no other competing tablet on the market, do you really think that Apple wouldn't have sold more iPads?
Yeah, that's how you know the Fire is taking iPad customers.
My clients (I'm in the computer support business) choose between iPad and Kindle all the time. While I recommend iPad generally, if they are buying it for a 8 year old, or 3 of them, and $1500 is a lot of money, I won't discourage them from the Kindle fire. If the Fire didn't exist, I would tell them just buy an iPad for the family and keep it well protected.
That's a lost sale, and I'm PRETTY sure my clients aren't the only outliers who consider the extra $400 investment to be difficult.
Uh huh. So you know more about Apple's customer than Tim Cook? Sorry, but I don't believe it.
While there might be a few people who are choosing between the two, Apple's experience is that the number is tiny - and I agree. I don't know anyone who has done so.
What? You are joking? Why do you think they kept the iPad 2 and lowered the price.
What makes you think they did it to compete with the Fire? Maybe they're competing with the other tablets?
In fact, Apple publicly stated that they're NOT competing with the Fire. I'll believe Apple before you, thank you.
the cost, as I pointed out - the main part of my argument - is not £659 for a new model but £200. Once you trade the old one.
Who is going to give me £459 for my old iPad 2 when you can buy a new one for £329 albeit with less memory.
I use my computer probably 10 hours a day. I would go cross eyed looking at a 10" screen for that length of time day after day.
Second point - I usually have at least 5 applications running on my computer at the same so I can flip between them quickly. When you can do that on an iPad come back and tell me how it's an alternative to the Mac/PC for people who use their computer for more than pissing about on the internet, email and watching TV.
Some businesses are not well suited to be handled with only an iPad. Others perhaps are. I'm like you in that I need a lot more granular control over my applications and computer. The iPad has copy and paste but it is far from efficient enough for seamless multitasking. Sometimes depending on the length or structure of a paragraph you simply cannot copy the text you want no matter how hard you try. That kind of clumsy interface issue is emblematic of how inefficient the iPad actually is for quick concise complex actions even if it is a rather mundane text handling task. The iPad is adequate for casual browsing and emailing but really a chore when trying accomplish much else from a business perspective.
Sure there are specialized apps for reading x-rays or trading stocks but even specialized apps have their compromises and are usually a shell of the feature set on a full desktop app.
No, technically, market share is measured when a product is purchased by a consumer.
Interesting...
Analysts quote "shipments" for the quarter... because manufacturers rarely provide a definite number of sales to consumers. The manufacturers usually talk about "channel shipments" whenever they issue a press release.
So where is this market share data coming from?
If I wanted to know how many Xyboards that Motorola sold to consumers last quarter... where can I find this information?
And Amazon NEVER shares its sales data at all...
Where exactly can I read about each manufacturers' sales to consumers?
If you're right... and market share is, in fact, the number of tablets purchased by the consumer... I'd like to see each and every Android tablet manufacturer publish their end-user sales numbers.
I haven't yet seen enough data to show that 39% of tablets sold to consumers last quarter were Android tablets...
EDIT: SolipsismX below has some insight. "Market share" is any and all units on the market... sold or unsold.
The correct term for the number of units purchased by consumers is "installed base"
Great, you have your device. Each to his own but don't put people down for just using their devices how they want to.
I didn't think I was putting anyone down. If you're offended I'm sorry.
What's in a name?
I know you're talking about "the new iPad" name used for (who would've guessed?) the new iPad, but just for kicks...
Macrumos forum member nails "iPad" in 2003:
http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/commen..._ipad_in_2003/
Here's an earlier and better prediction from 2003:
http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/...C/t-23590.html
Here's someone else from August of last year writing about those 2003 predictions:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...ight=macquest+
That last link includes include a link to an even earlier citation for the name "iPad", an April Fools post linking to a nonexistent Apple "iPad" page. Except-- that link now goes to Apple's iPad page for the actual iPad. Weird!
Some businesses are not well suited to be handled with only an iPad. Others perhaps are. I'm like you in that I need a lot more granular control over my applications and computer. The iPad has copy and paste but it is far from efficient enough for seamless multitasking. Sometimes depending on the length or structure of a paragraph you simply cannot copy the text you want no matter how hard you try. That kind of clumsy interface issue is emblematic of how inefficient the iPad actually is for quick concise complex actions even if it is a rather mundane text handling task. The iPad is adequate for casual browsing and emailing but really a chore when trying accomplish much else, at least not without a struggle.
Well not just email and browsing. It's good at; music, video (well android tablets are much better here but it's okay), games (iPad has some great games), music creation (awesome as a portable studio), document proofing (very useful), ultimate machine to relax to after a long day at the office.
I didn't think I was putting anyone down. If you're offended I'm sorry.
Oh just jumped the gun then, please excuse the rudeness.
I certainly excited about getting mine on Friday. It's reached Louisville, KY per UPS tracking. I'm replacing an iPad 2 and doing it for the new screen.
Damnit, mine's in Louisville too. So close and yet so far.
Can't wait to see the new screen either - should be totally great for surfing & reading.
Well color me fanboy - except that it's also better than the competition.
No, technically, market share is measured when a product is purchased by a consumer.
I don't think that's accurate. Market share, obviously refers to the share of the market. The market being how many units within a market are sold within a set time frame. That sale doesn't have to be and end user, it can be a retailer or some other intermediary that buys and pays for the product from the vendor.
Installed base is a measure of the units in consumers hands and still actively used at a given time.
Right?
Damnit, mine's in Louisville too. So close and yet so far.
Mine is a 3 hour drive away. I want to drive down and snag it.
Uh huh. So you know more about Apple's customer than Tim Cook? Sorry, but I don't believe it.
While there might be a few people who are choosing between the two, Apple's experience is that the number is tiny - and I agree. I don't know anyone who has done so.
Two problems with that.
First, I doubt Tim Cook talks to a lot of people who are looking to make a decision about which tablet to buy. I am POSITIVE that he talks to a lot of people whose income goes up with Apple's stock goes up though.
Second, do you seriously believe everything you hear from someone with a vested interest? Pretty dumb. Here's a tip - company executives say positive things when asked questions about the company. Duh.
Um yeah... you can. But it's meaningless.
Also, why would you quote yourself in your signature? Can't find anyone with any chops who agrees with that ridiculous sentiment?
I don't know what you mean by "anyone with chops" but I'm guessing you don't think I have any.
People that run financial insitutions aren't any more inherently honest than the rest of the public. In all areas of society we need laws to keep unscrupulous people in check. That's what financial regulations are for and not having the right ones (particularly Glass/Steagle) melted our economy.
Uh huh. So you know more about Apple's customer than Tim Cook? Sorry, but I don't believe it.
While there might be a few people who are choosing between the two, Apple's experience is that the number is tiny - and I agree. I don't know anyone who has done so.
What makes you think they did it to compete with the Fire? Maybe they're competing with the other tablets?
In fact, Apple publicly stated that they're NOT competing with the Fire. I'll believe Apple before you, thank you.
Do you believe everything Apple says? I know I don't.
Apple may not be competing with the Kindle Fire but Amazon sure as hell are going after potential iPad buyers. Just look at all the Kindle adverts. Almost all of them compare the Kindle to the iPad directly.
I don't think that's accurate. Market share, obviously refers to the share of the market. The market being how many units within a market are sold within a set time frame. That sale doesn't have to be and end user, it can be a retailer or some other intermediary that buys and pays for the product from the vendor.
Installed base is a measure of the units in consumers hands and still actively used at a given time.
Right?
Of which Android and co. manufacturers always use whatever number suited them regardless whether it is accurate in real use or not. Marketing... It is all numbers. case in point, in prev. article -- Andy Rubin, is all about device activation (once it is activated, boom! with BOGOF, boom and boom! - w/o mentioning how many returned units, customer satisfaction or device longevity.
I don't know what you mean by "anyone with chops" but I'm guessing you don't think I have any.
People that run financial insitutions aren't any more inherently honest than the rest of the public. In all areas of society we need laws to keep unscrupulous people in check. That's what financial regulations are for and not having the right ones (particularly Glass/Steagle) melted our economy.
It's a take off of the actual famous quote - the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money to spend. The argument I have with it is not that finance need not be regulated, but anyone using that quote is clearly trying to suggest that finance is as fundamentally flawed as socialism is, which is the ridiculous part.
And yeah, who quotes THEMSELVES in their signature? Sociopaths?