During the lead-up to war in March 2003, Hans Blix had found no stockpiles of WMD and had made significant progress toward resolving open issues of disarmament noting "proactive" but not always the "immediate" Iraqi cooperation as called for by UN Security Council Resolution 1441. He concluded that it would take “but months” to resolve the key remaining disarmament tasks.[4] The United States asserted this was a breach of Resolution 1441 but failed to convince the UN Security Council to pass a new resolution authorizing the use of force due to lack of evidence.[5][6][7] Despite being unable to get a new resolution authorizing force and citing section 3 of the Joint Resolution passed by the U.S. Congress,[8] President George W. Bush asserted peaceful measures could not disarm Iraq of the weapons he alleged it to have and launched a second Gulf War,[9] despite multiple dissenting opinions[10] and questions of integrity[11][12][13] about the underlying intelligence.[14] Later U.S.-led inspections agreed that Iraq had earlier abandoned its WMD programs, but asserted Iraq had an intention to pursue those programs if UN sanctions were ever lifted.[15] Bush later said that the biggest regret of his presidency was "the intelligence failure" in Iraq,[16] while the Senate Intelligence Committee found in 2008 that his administration "misrepresented the intelligence and the threat from Iraq".[17] A key CIA informant in Iraq admitted that he lied about his allegations, "then watched in shock as it was used to justify the war".[18]
In the 2008 U.S. presidential campaign, candidates Representatives Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, then-Senator Barack Obama (Now President of the United States), Senators Chris Dodd, Hillary Clinton and Mike Gravel were some of the most outspoken critics of the Iraq War. Ron Paul has said that "The war in Iraq was sold to us with false information. The area is more dangerous now than when we entered it. We destroyed a regime hated by our direct enemies, the jihadists, and created thousands of new recruits for them. This war has cost more than 3,000 American lives, thousands of seriously wounded, and hundreds of billions of dollars."[43] Barack Obama (who went on to win the election) was not a senator at the time of the voting of the Iraq War Resolution, but has repeatedly voiced his disapproval of it both before and during his senatorship, saying at an anti war rally in Chicago on October 2, 2002: "I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars." He also spoke of the "undetermined length... undetermined cost, [and] undetermined consequences" which even a successful war would bring.[44][45] Dodd voted in favor of the Iraq War Resolution in 2002, but Dodd has since become an opponent of the war.[46] Dodd has said the Iraq War has been waged “for all the wrong reasons” and that it is eroding both the nation's security and its moral leadership.[47]
The answer is for people to stop trying to dictate working conditions in other countries.
True, but when the company is of one country and its products are manufactured in another there is overlap, but it's between company/manufacturing country, not company's country/manufacturing country. It's not a U.S. responsibility for sure, but it is for the U.S. company with factories in China, as well as China's, naturally. And whatever they decide our choice to buy or not is pretty much the extent of what our involvement should be. We hope that the players do the right thing, but the mix of working conditions/factory wages/living conditions in Far East factory regions is far too deep rooted for most of the issues that make the media to be even close to the ones that will make a difference by moving certain numbers a little up or down.
I actually some were foolish enough to except Foxconn to start paying them the minimum of the country/state they reside in.
If they can't allow people to work as many hours then you build more dorms and hire more people. We saw the number of people lining up. Of course, now you have more idle young adults and a lot more of them in a much more crowded space. Will these myopic westerners consider the dangers of that situation?
The situation is not as simple. Foxconn can't hire enough people. There is a labor shortage in China. People have choices these days. You may see 1000 people lining up at Foxconn, but Foxconn has 2000 positions to be filled. Now you get the idea. Foxconn needs to keep on hiring just to replace those workers who quit their jobs.
It was I admit, but we are really talking, or should be I believe, about an evil regime, and not let it be derailed into a discussion about wether the most privileged workers (arguably) in China are being exploited, freely working overtime to be able to better support their family and build a new future. People putting into this that Foxcon does not know how to optimize their own costs, really make me question their motives.
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I clearly understand that you don't have the faintest idea about how variable costs and fixed costs works in.
Sure.
This, from a guy who thinks that fixed costs go to zero as the number of units increases..... I'd love to live in that world.
Yes, it was. And it was done without the Congress ever formally "declaring war" (which, under the US Constitution, they are required to do).
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During the lead-up to war in March 2003, Hans Blix had found no stockpiles of WMD and had made significant progress toward resolving open issues of disarmament noting "proactive" but not always the "immediate" Iraqi cooperation as called for by UN Security Council Resolution 1441. He concluded that it would take “but months” to resolve the key remaining disarmament tasks.[4] The United States asserted this was a breach of Resolution 1441 but failed to convince the UN Security Council to pass a new resolution authorizing the use of force due to lack of evidence.[5][6][7] Despite being unable to get a new resolution authorizing force and citing section 3 of the Joint Resolution passed by the U.S. Congress,[8] President George W. Bush asserted peaceful measures could not disarm Iraq of the weapons he alleged it to have and launched a second Gulf War,[9] despite multiple dissenting opinions[10] and questions of integrity[11][12][13] about the underlying intelligence.[14] Later U.S.-led inspections agreed that Iraq had earlier abandoned its WMD programs, but asserted Iraq had an intention to pursue those programs if UN sanctions were ever lifted.[15] Bush later said that the biggest regret of his presidency was "the intelligence failure" in Iraq,[16] while the Senate Intelligence Committee found in 2008 that his administration "misrepresented the intelligence and the threat from Iraq".[17] A key CIA informant in Iraq admitted that he lied about his allegations, "then watched in shock as it was used to justify the war".[18]
Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposit..._United_States
In the 2008 U.S. presidential campaign, candidates Representatives Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, then-Senator Barack Obama (Now President of the United States), Senators Chris Dodd, Hillary Clinton and Mike Gravel were some of the most outspoken critics of the Iraq War. Ron Paul has said that "The war in Iraq was sold to us with false information. The area is more dangerous now than when we entered it. We destroyed a regime hated by our direct enemies, the jihadists, and created thousands of new recruits for them. This war has cost more than 3,000 American lives, thousands of seriously wounded, and hundreds of billions of dollars."[43] Barack Obama (who went on to win the election) was not a senator at the time of the voting of the Iraq War Resolution, but has repeatedly voiced his disapproval of it both before and during his senatorship, saying at an anti war rally in Chicago on October 2, 2002: "I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars." He also spoke of the "undetermined length... undetermined cost, [and] undetermined consequences" which even a successful war would bring.[44][45] Dodd voted in favor of the Iraq War Resolution in 2002, but Dodd has since become an opponent of the war.[46] Dodd has said the Iraq War has been waged “for all the wrong reasons” and that it is eroding both the nation's security and its moral leadership.[47]
...and I clearly understand that you don't have the faintest idea about how variable costs and fixed costs works in.
... oh yes he does.
You're not paying attention. jmho
Sure.
This, from a guy who thinks that fixed costs go to zero as the number of units increases..... I'd love to live in that world.
You, Sir, is one of the most dishonest persons I have met on this site.
Corrections: One of the few dishonest. I do not believe you don't understand the difference between the average and the marginal.
You, Sir, is one of the most dishonest persons I have met on this site.
Corrections: One of the few dishonest.
You haven't been paying attention, then.
You, Sir, is one of the most dishonest persons I have met on this site.
Corrections: One of the few dishonest. I do not believe you don't understand the difference between the average and the marginal.
That remark is just rude.
You haven't been paying attention, then.
No, guess we have the keep away from the trolls
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Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposit..._United_States
Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
Hillary and the majority of Senate Democrats voted for it.
Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
Hillary and the majority of Senate Democrats voted for it.
Proving that it was NOT unanimous.
The answer is for people to stop trying to dictate working conditions in other countries.
True, but when the company is of one country and its products are manufactured in another there is overlap, but it's between company/manufacturing country, not company's country/manufacturing country. It's not a U.S. responsibility for sure, but it is for the U.S. company with factories in China, as well as China's, naturally. And whatever they decide our choice to buy or not is pretty much the extent of what our involvement should be. We hope that the players do the right thing, but the mix of working conditions/factory wages/living conditions in Far East factory regions is far too deep rooted for most of the issues that make the media to be even close to the ones that will make a difference by moving certain numbers a little up or down.
Proving that it was NOT unanimous.
MAJORITY- meaning it was bi-partisan.
I actually some were foolish enough to except Foxconn to start paying them the minimum of the country/state they reside in.
If they can't allow people to work as many hours then you build more dorms and hire more people. We saw the number of people lining up. Of course, now you have more idle young adults and a lot more of them in a much more crowded space. Will these myopic westerners consider the dangers of that situation?
The situation is not as simple. Foxconn can't hire enough people. There is a labor shortage in China. People have choices these days. You may see 1000 people lining up at Foxconn, but Foxconn has 2000 positions to be filled. Now you get the idea. Foxconn needs to keep on hiring just to replace those workers who quit their jobs.
Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
Hillary and the majority of Senate Democrats voted for it.
Bullshit. As your link proves between the HoR and Senate most Democrats voted against it while the Republicans were nearly unanimous.
Democrats: 43.0% ayes; 57% nays.
Republicans: 97% ayes, 3% nays.
I'm surprised to see you dive into politics. I reckon if the mods do, it's open season for the trolls.
"If everyone's a troll, then no one is." (...with apologies to "The Incredibles")
MAJORITY- meaning it was bi-partisan.
I'm the one who said it was bipartisan. I never said it was unanimous.
Bullshit. As your link proves between the HoR and Senate most Democrats voted against it while the Republicans were nearly unanimous.
You really need a reading comprehension, statistics AND a history refresher course.
Senate vote: Democrats Ays 29 Nays 21.
How can you not understand what I mean when I said "A Majority of Senate Democratics"???
I'm the one who said it was bipartisan. I never said it was unanimous.
I never said it was unanimous either- I said it was bi-partisan too.
But what congressional vote has ever been unanimous? World War 2 perhaps?
You really need a reading comprehension, statistics AND a history refresher course.
Senate vote: Democrats Ays 29 Nays 21.
How can you not understand what I mean when I said "A Majority of Senate Democratics"???
I know you specifically ignored the HoR numbers because it weakened your position.
That remark is just rude.
It was I admit, but we are really talking, or should be I believe, about an evil regime, and not let it be derailed into a discussion about wether the most privileged workers (arguably) in China are being exploited, freely working overtime to be able to better support their family and build a new future. People putting into this that Foxcon does not know how to optimize their own costs, really make me question their motives.