I love how some do the Fandroids are claiming this has nothing to do with Samsung. Yeah sure of course not. And the sheep in their teaser ads have nothing to do with iPhone users either. LOL
The sheep in the Galaxy 3 ads are Galaxy 2 owners about to be fleeced by an early upgrade.
That's the message I got.
Maybe Samsung's sheepish Galaxy customers should look to HTC.
All phones do suffer from some degree of attenuation. Whose is worse is another argument altogether. Your 'anecdotal evidence' is no more factual than mine(reception with my iPhone 4 was superb btw).
All phones do suffer from some degree of attenuation. Whose is worse is another argument altogether. Your 'anecdotal evidence' is no more factual than mine(reception with my iPhone 4 was superb).
My iPhone had ok reception as long as you used a case. Once the case was off and you are holding the phone, the fault was obvious.
Best reception phones I have had are older Nokia's and Blackberry's.
With fewer complaints than the previous model and fewer returns than the previous model, no.
It doesn't logically follow that the antenna issue didn't exist, though. I'm not surprised that return figures were lower. The iPhone 4 was a landmark phone - overall, it was far and away superior to the competition at launch. It's perfectly possible that users recognised the antenna issue and were bothered by it, but didn't consider it serious enough to take the phone back and still thought that it was the best phone available.
The fact that there wasn't a commercial issue doesn't mean that there wasn't a technical issue.
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
German, yes. But with the ferocity with which the "problem" was reported in English, they would have jumped on the idea of mentioning that "this is happening everywhere", listing countries with complaints. You know how the media works. I don't recall that, is all.
Oh, the English-speaking media definitely jumped on it. It wasn't just the media, though. It was reported in forums and comments sections and other venues for grassroots opinion. And any problem which existed in the UK and on AT&T must also have existed in Europe and most of the world, because they use the same GSM technology.
...Saying that there was 'no issue' just makes you look like a fanboy, I'm afraid.
The basis of your point, is that other phones weren't affected, in your post you clearly cite an example of an affected phone, I believe the saying "hoisted by one's own petard" seems particularly apt in this instance.
They sold over 20 million of the Galaxy S2 so it's not just another Android phone. Personally I didn't like it but obviously many others did.
That would be "the sheep" looking forward to "half an upgrade" because as was pointed out earlier, doubling the processor cores is only "half an upgrade".
A flash mob is supposed to be a group that shows up independently to an area, giving it the appearance of a spontaneous act. Not a group of folks that show up together on a bus.
not to mention it was just lame looking. And it was really tacky to do it at an Apple store. Reeks of desperation to me (rather like insulting the users of the other company whilst trying to steal them away). Not to mention that those in the store have likely already bought into the whole Apple thing so what's the point. They should be looking for those that ain't come in yet.
The basis of your point, is that other phones weren't affected, in your post you clearly cite an example of an affected phone, I believe the saying "hoisted by one's own petard" seems particularly apt in this instance.
You need to read my post again. You are reading into it something which isn't there. Nowhere in my post did I claim that other phones don't suffer signal loss when held in the hand. It would be foolish to claim that, because it's basic physics that an antenna receives a weaker signal when you surround it with something that's mostly made of water.
The 'point' of my post was that:
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Originally Posted by Euphonious
This problem was considerably more serious on the iPhone 4 than on other phones.
The signal degradation when held exists on all phones, but the iPhone 4's antenna design significantly exacerbates it. Hence the figures I posted. The figure for the 3GS demonstrates that it's possible to reduce the degradation to an insignificant level with good design.
Wait, other companies have to pay for publicity? How unauthentic can you be? Yet, Apple draws huge crowds to their stores everyday without all that hoopla...
All phones do suffer from some degree of attenuation. Whose is worse is another argument altogether. Your 'anecdotal evidence' is no more factual than mine(reception with my iPhone 4 was superb btw).
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
I love how some do the Fandroids are claiming this has nothing to do with Samsung. Yeah sure of course not. And the sheep in their teaser ads have nothing to do with iPhone users either. LOL
The sheep in the Galaxy 3 ads are Galaxy 2 owners about to be fleeced by an early upgrade.
That's the message I got.
Maybe Samsung's sheepish Galaxy customers should look to HTC.
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Originally Posted by Just_Me
I see the time line getting longer. So it will be either oct/nov this year and up to Feb 2013
but the 4s was a half upgrade so we may get something sooner
A half upgrade that left everyone else far in the dust. On May 3rd do you know what the #1 selling phone in the world will be? The iPhone 4s.
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Originally Posted by mrstep
Wake Up! Free espresso!
Oh, just another f*(&*(ing Android phone? Never mind.
They sold over 20 million of the Galaxy S2 so it's not just another Android phone. Personally I didn't like it but obviously many others did.
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Originally Posted by hill60
The sheep in the Galaxy 3 ads are Galaxy 2 owners about to be fleeced by an early upgrade.
That's the message I got.
Maybe Samsung's sheepish Galaxy customers should look to HTC.
That's because you are too blind from the Apple fairy dust to see anything else.
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Originally Posted by nikon133
I would respectfully disagree..
All phones do suffer from some degree of attenuation. Whose is worse is another argument altogether. Your 'anecdotal evidence' is no more factual than mine(reception with my iPhone 4 was superb btw).
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
That's because you are too blind from the Apple fairy dust to see anything else.
Yes, we are blind and you are not. You win!
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Originally Posted by Postulant
All phones do suffer from some degree of attenuation. Whose is worse is another argument altogether. Your 'anecdotal evidence' is no more factual than mine(reception with my iPhone 4 was superb).
My iPhone had ok reception as long as you used a case. Once the case was off and you are holding the phone, the fault was obvious.
Best reception phones I have had are older Nokia's and Blackberry's.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
With fewer complaints than the previous model and fewer returns than the previous model, no.
It doesn't logically follow that the antenna issue didn't exist, though. I'm not surprised that return figures were lower. The iPhone 4 was a landmark phone - overall, it was far and away superior to the competition at launch. It's perfectly possible that users recognised the antenna issue and were bothered by it, but didn't consider it serious enough to take the phone back and still thought that it was the best phone available.
The fact that there wasn't a commercial issue doesn't mean that there wasn't a technical issue.
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
German, yes. But with the ferocity with which the "problem" was reported in English, they would have jumped on the idea of mentioning that "this is happening everywhere", listing countries with complaints. You know how the media works. I don't recall that, is all.
Oh, the English-speaking media definitely jumped on it. It wasn't just the media, though. It was reported in forums and comments sections and other venues for grassroots opinion. And any problem which existed in the UK and on AT&T must also have existed in Europe and most of the world, because they use the same GSM technology.
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Originally Posted by Postulant
Yes, we are blind and you are not. You win!
I'm an Apple fan too but I can also see the value in something else not actually made by Apple. That's the difference....
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
I'm an Apple fan too but I can also see the value in something else not actually made by Apple. That's the difference....
Couldn't have put it better myself.
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
My iPhone had ok reception as long as you used a case. Once the case was off and you are holding the phone, the fault was obvious.
Best reception phones I have had are older Nokia's and Blackberry's.
My experience is opposite yours... I don't use cases because I hate the extra bulk. I'll probably drop my 4S now. lol
Oh, Scamsunx, it's you who need to wake up.
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
I'm an Apple fan too but I can also see the value in something else not actually made by Apple. That's the difference....
And you're saying he can't? That's ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by Euphonious
It isn't crap. It's the truth...
...10.7 on an HTC phone...
...Saying that there was 'no issue' just makes you look like a fanboy, I'm afraid.
The basis of your point, is that other phones weren't affected, in your post you clearly cite an example of an affected phone, I believe the saying "hoisted by one's own petard" seems particularly apt in this instance.
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
Your response doesn't surprise me at all and is typical of your Apple can do no wrong attitude.
Is that a wake up call?
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
They sold over 20 million of the Galaxy S2 so it's not just another Android phone. Personally I didn't like it but obviously many others did.
That would be "the sheep" looking forward to "half an upgrade" because as was pointed out earlier, doubling the processor cores is only "half an upgrade".
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Originally Posted by LordJohnWhorfin
Wow. People still do flash mobs?
yes but this wasn't really a flash mob.
A flash mob is supposed to be a group that shows up independently to an area, giving it the appearance of a spontaneous act. Not a group of folks that show up together on a bus.
not to mention it was just lame looking. And it was really tacky to do it at an Apple store. Reeks of desperation to me (rather like insulting the users of the other company whilst trying to steal them away). Not to mention that those in the store have likely already bought into the whole Apple thing so what's the point. They should be looking for those that ain't come in yet.
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Originally Posted by hill60
The basis of your point, is that other phones weren't affected, in your post you clearly cite an example of an affected phone, I believe the saying "hoisted by one's own petard" seems particularly apt in this instance.
You need to read my post again. You are reading into it something which isn't there. Nowhere in my post did I claim that other phones don't suffer signal loss when held in the hand. It would be foolish to claim that, because it's basic physics that an antenna receives a weaker signal when you surround it with something that's mostly made of water.
The 'point' of my post was that:
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Originally Posted by Euphonious
This problem was considerably more serious on the iPhone 4 than on other phones.
The signal degradation when held exists on all phones, but the iPhone 4's antenna design significantly exacerbates it. Hence the figures I posted. The figure for the 3GS demonstrates that it's possible to reduce the degradation to an insignificant level with good design.
Wait, other companies have to pay for publicity? How unauthentic can you be? Yet, Apple draws huge crowds to their stores everyday without all that hoopla...
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Originally Posted by Postulant
All phones do suffer from some degree of attenuation. Whose is worse is another argument altogether. Your 'anecdotal evidence' is no more factual than mine(reception with my iPhone 4 was superb btw).
Mine goes up when I touch it.