Please don't make up stories. That message says that the suggestion is NOT closed and remains under active investigation.
So when was the last time you submitted a bug to Apple? That's not how it works and that's also NOT what the message says: Notice the: "the original bug number being used to track this issue is..." statement, you know the one they just told the dev to look up in the future instead of his -- because it will be the only one of the dupes that gets updated. Maybe you need to know more about how the process works before you go spouting off all in a huff and make a fool of yourself.
I have submitted many bug reports over the past 10 years (although the last was about 2 years ago), and what happens when your bug gets combined because you weren't the first to report it is that your bug number gets closed out/marked dupe and simply referenced within the master bug. That way the tracker does not show an artificial number of open bugs.
So why don't you quit whinghing and trying to make a very straightforward factual statement into something it wasn't.
I didn't want to weigh in on this until ZZZ got some non-sense out of its system.
I can see where this would work in classroom situations where each student has his/her info in the cloud and the 30 or so iPads are used by different students from class to class in the same room. If all the iPad has to do is recognize the student's face to make the appropriate data available to the right student, then that would be a major selling point for Apple in the education market.
In a household with a husband and wife sometimes a call comes in on one iPhone and both parties may take turns talking to the caller. In that situation each person would have access to their own info, email, etc because the face camera could see who was talking. Also Siri would know the relationships of the two users as well.
Multi user account on an iPad is cool. I would think that an iPad 16GB would fill up rather fast with two or three account's. Pictures email and etc. I would rather have my own iPad instead of sharing one.
...the overwhelming majority of people want their own iPad. If multiple accounts are allowed, there'll be a family iPad they expect to share… and then they'll just all get their own.
I don't agree. Nobody wants to share a tablet, that's true. However locking your digital life to a physical device is the antithesis of "post PC".
This stuff will certainly be part of iOS 6. I have no doubt.
Why?
Windows 8/RT allows for multiple accounts and sync's app state and data between devices.
Imagine this scenario:
You're on your tablet, half way through reading an article in your news app and listening to streaming music. You decide to get a drink so you put your tablet down and when you're out of the room one of the kids grabs it and takes it upstairs to play with their friends.
You re-enter the room and realize someone has taken your tablet. You simply pick up the second tablet your family owns, unlock it and continue where you left off, reading the same article and listening to the same song.
If this is how Windows 8/RT will work you can bet anything Apple are already working on the same thing.
Apple desperately want the iPad (and iPhone) to REALLY break into the enterprise market. One of the main problems of the iOS devices in enterprise is the management of the devices. Being able to have two accounts logged in at the same time would be very useful one for the admin (to be able to manage the device) and one for the user.
Though this 'bug' relates to the iPad I wonder as has been mentioned above if this isn't something that they are looking at for iOS 6. One of the hotly tipped devices in the future is the Apple Television; there would be real scope for multiple users for this device. It may be that they will look at some form of low level support for this for iPads but greater flexibility for the TV.
So when was the last time you submitted a bug to Apple? That's not how it works and that's also NOT what the message says: Notice the: "the original bug number being used to track this issue is..." statement, you know the one they just told the dev to look up in the future instead of his -- because it will be the only one of the dupes that gets updated. Maybe you need to know more about how the process works before you go spouting off all in a huff and make a fool of yourself.
I have submitted many bug reports over the past 10 years (although the last was about 2 years ago), and what happens when your bug gets combined because you weren't the first to report it is that your bug number gets closed out/marked dupe and simply referenced within the master bug. That way the tracker does not show an artificial number of open bugs.
So why don't you quit whinghing and trying to make a very straightforward factual statement into something it wasn't.
I've filed hundreds of bug reports with Apple and have been a beta tester for at least 15 years.
Read the email in the article. It says that the bug is still in the database. If the bug is closed, Apple sends a message saying that the bug is closed. If it's still active in the database, it's open.
I've been wanting multi-user on the iPad for some time.
My GUESS is that the way Apple makes files as an adjunct to ONLY the applications that made them -- multi-user gets problematic because you've got the permissions to the App controlling the permissions to the File (and not the other way around).
I think Apple is going to HAVE TO start storing files in a document folder and then in an "app storage folder" inside that, instead of the App folder, and then have support for "meta tags" to restrict access.
Or they can just have a "super user" and a non-authenticated user, because Dad doesn't want the kids looking at the photos taken at the cocktail mixer last night.
I've been wanting multi-user on the iPad for some time.
But don't expect to get it. That notion is something Apple probably talked about for 5 minutes way back when the iPad was going to come first, and then was likely dropped as impractical and really not needed by the masses. Let someone figure out a way to do it in a jailbreak for the nerds that insist it is vital. Let everyone else that has no issue with using webmail to keep their emails away from the kids, or turn on restrictions before they had it to Junior etc keep doing it that way.
As for the single document pool, that is one thing that I do agree with. I don't see a need for a 'Finder' but I can see the logic in not sandboxing at least some file types like PDFs into certain apps. If they were just in one bucket then it would be easy to flip between apps when you find a reader you like better. And they could drop the whole 'export to iTunes'/'import from iTunes' for copying back to the computer which is annoying and frustrating particularly for new users.
Holy cow! A perfectly normal form reply, the one sent out to absolutely everyone for absolutely everything, was sent out for this!
This is almost as embarrassing as not owning up to the false Tim Cook Valve story. But not quite up to the level of reporting a fake Phil Schiller tweet as "information" like some sites did.
Yeah, I bet the FAMILY iPad is the biggest thing here. Since the iPad appeals to all ages I bet Apple is trying their very best to invent a login method that both 2 year olds and 82 year olds can handle.
I use mine for work so it would be nice to have a work and personal profile so I didn't have to see work emails on the weekend. Then again, it would be great if Apple just made it so you could schedule the email client for certain accounts.
And what, you disagree? Someone else got this same e-mail about this same "problem" two years ago. It's the standard form e-mail; nothing to see here at all.
This isn't a confirmation in the slightest. It's a standard reply sent for duplicate reports of an issue. Do you guys have any brains at AI or are you just trying the old tired internet thing of "first!!" on everything you come across?
I've filed hundreds of bug reports with Apple and have been a beta tester for at least 15 years.
Read the email in the article. It says that the bug is still in the database. If the bug is closed, Apple sends a message saying that the bug is closed. If it's still active in the database, it's open.
The poster's bug is closed. The original feature request bug is still open. Exactly what I said, exactly how it works. I'm not a beta tester, I make stuff. I pays my dues/fees, I check my checkboxes. And write bugs against stuff that doesn't work whether it be beta or shipped. My guess is that Apple's policies on whether or not combined bugs close hasn't changed in the past two years since my development work has primarily been outside the OS X sphere. That's not the kind of change you make if you run a sane house.
The first posts message is just a simple administrative message that says nothing about the likelihood or non-liklihood of the feature changing.
I don't agree. Nobody wants to share a tablet, that's true. However locking your digital life to a physical device is the antithesis of "post PC".
This stuff will certainly be part of iOS 6. I have no doubt.
Why?
Windows 8/RT allows for multiple accounts and sync's app state and data between devices.
Imagine this scenario: You're on your tablet, half way through reading an article in your news app and listening to streaming music. You decide to get a drink so you put your tablet down and when you're out of the room one of the kids grabs it and takes it upstairs to play with their friends.
You re-enter the room and realize someone has taken your tablet. You simply pick up the second tablet your family owns, unlock it and continue where you left off, reading the same article and listening to the same song.
If this is how Windows 8/RT will work you can bet anything Apple are already working on the same thing.
Or you can teach your kids not to take your iPad and to use the spare sitting around the house.
In reality, not everyone is going to have an extra iPad lying around. But even if they do, there are good reasons not to have unrestricted access. Do you really want your kids to have access to your work emails on your iPad?
The poster's bug is closed. The original feature request bug is still open. Exactly what I said, exactly how it works. I'm not a beta tester, I make stuff. I pays my dues/fees, I check my checkboxes. And write bugs against stuff that doesn't work whether it be beta or shipped. My guess is that Apple's policies on whether or not combined bugs close hasn't changed in the past two years since my development work has primarily been outside the OS X sphere. That's not the kind of change you make if you run a sane house.
And you're still wrong. As I said, I've been beta testing for Apple for at least 15 years and have run across this exact issue many times.
What happens is that if you offer a suggestion that is already in the system, and they later implement that suggestion, you get an email - regardless of whether you were first or not. So your suggestion is being tracked.
And you're still wrong. As I said, I've been beta testing for Apple for at least 15 years and have run across this exact issue many times.
What happens is that if you offer a suggestion that is already in the system, and they later implement that suggestion, you get an email - regardless of whether you were first or not. So your suggestion is being tracked.
How daft are you trying to be!!!! If you would get off your I'm-the-only-one-who-can-be-right-hobby-horse and stop acting like an ass you would see plainly that the emails you speak of are in reference to the combined original bug and tracked via that issue. Not your Johnny-come-lately duplicate issue number. That just becomes a cross reference in the original issue.
My Gawd man, do I have to explain to you how to wipe your arse in a post too? Lest I be accused of incorrectly stating the TP dispenser is empty? Now I suggest you wash your hands too since you so want me to be wrong about the dispenser.
I think Apple is going to HAVE TO start storing files in a document folder and then in an "app storage folder" inside that, instead of the App folder, and then have support for "meta tags" to restrict access.
No, the two are wholly separate metadata entities: one applies to user permissions, the other to application bindings. There's no need whatsoever to implement a hierarchical file system just to support permissions and bindings. The underlying storage system is another, wholly irrelevant issue.
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Originally Posted by charlituna
But don't expect to get it. That notion is something Apple probably talked about for 5 minutes way back when the iPad was going to come first, and then was likely dropped as impractical and really not needed by the masses. Let someone figure out a way to do it in a jailbreak for the nerds that insist it is vital. Let everyone else that has no issue with using webmail to keep their emails away from the kids, or turn on restrictions before they had it to Junior etc keep doing it that way.
As for the single document pool, that is one thing that I do agree with. I don't see a need for a 'Finder' but I can see the logic in not sandboxing at least some file types like PDFs into certain apps. If they were just in one bucket then it would be easy to flip between apps when you find a reader you like better. And they could drop the whole 'export to iTunes'/'import from iTunes' for copying back to the computer which is annoying and frustrating particularly for new users.
I hope they add multi-user support to iOS sooner, rather than later. The longer they leave it, the more it will be tacked on as an afterthought (cf. multi user support in Classic Mac OS). Leave it switched off as the default for most users, but ultimately, sharing an iPad will be a very common thing, and Apple will need to address the implications that has.
As for the document model: in case you hadn't noticed, Apple are betting big time on the cloud. iTunes is no longer necessary to manage the music on your iOS devices, that in itself should be a clue as to where they are going with management of other data, too.
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
I use mine for work so it would be nice to have a work and personal profile so I didn't have to see work emails on the weekend. Then again, it would be great if Apple just made it so you could schedule the email client for certain accounts.
http://www.apple.com/feedback There's lots of room for improvement in the Mail notifications. For instance, I don't need my iPhone (or iPad) to actively inform me of every mailing list message that arrives in my GMail inbox, but I would like to be alerted when actual personal messages are dropped into my personal inbox.
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This means nothing. They always provide that response if it is a duplicate. They accept feature requests, so it is just a duplicate feature request.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Please don't make up stories. That message says that the suggestion is NOT closed and remains under active investigation.
So when was the last time you submitted a bug to Apple? That's not how it works and that's also NOT what the message says: Notice the: "the original bug number being used to track this issue is..." statement, you know the one they just told the dev to look up in the future instead of his -- because it will be the only one of the dupes that gets updated. Maybe you need to know more about how the process works before you go spouting off all in a huff and make a fool of yourself.
I have submitted many bug reports over the past 10 years (although the last was about 2 years ago), and what happens when your bug gets combined because you weren't the first to report it is that your bug number gets closed out/marked dupe and simply referenced within the master bug. That way the tracker does not show an artificial number of open bugs.
So why don't you quit whinghing and trying to make a very straightforward factual statement into something it wasn't.
I didn't want to weigh in on this until ZZZ got some non-sense out of its system.
I can see where this would work in classroom situations where each student has his/her info in the cloud and the 30 or so iPads are used by different students from class to class in the same room. If all the iPad has to do is recognize the student's face to make the appropriate data available to the right student, then that would be a major selling point for Apple in the education market.
In a household with a husband and wife sometimes a call comes in on one iPhone and both parties may take turns talking to the caller. In that situation each person would have access to their own info, email, etc because the face camera could see who was talking. Also Siri would know the relationships of the two users as well.
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Originally Posted by tylerk36
Multi user account on an iPad is cool. I would think that an iPad 16GB would fill up rather fast with two or three account's. Pictures email and etc. I would rather have my own iPad instead of sharing one.
De cloud, boss, de cloud....
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
...the overwhelming majority of people want their own iPad. If multiple accounts are allowed, there'll be a family iPad they expect to share… and then they'll just all get their own.
I don't agree. Nobody wants to share a tablet, that's true. However locking your digital life to a physical device is the antithesis of "post PC".
This stuff will certainly be part of iOS 6. I have no doubt.
Why?
Windows 8/RT allows for multiple accounts and sync's app state and data between devices.
Imagine this scenario:
You're on your tablet, half way through reading an article in your news app and listening to streaming music. You decide to get a drink so you put your tablet down and when you're out of the room one of the kids grabs it and takes it upstairs to play with their friends.
You re-enter the room and realize someone has taken your tablet. You simply pick up the second tablet your family owns, unlock it and continue where you left off, reading the same article and listening to the same song.
If this is how Windows 8/RT will work you can bet anything Apple are already working on the same thing.
There is something else to consider here.
Apple desperately want the iPad (and iPhone) to REALLY break into the enterprise market. One of the main problems of the iOS devices in enterprise is the management of the devices. Being able to have two accounts logged in at the same time would be very useful one for the admin (to be able to manage the device) and one for the user.
Though this 'bug' relates to the iPad I wonder as has been mentioned above if this isn't something that they are looking at for iOS 6. One of the hotly tipped devices in the future is the Apple Television; there would be real scope for multiple users for this device. It may be that they will look at some form of low level support for this for iPads but greater flexibility for the TV.
Sorry but this is a non-story.
I'm an iOS developer. Filed the exact same feature request two years ago with Apple and got the same 'we already know about this' reply.
I wouldn't read too much into it.
Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see them announce multi-user support at WWDC (especially if each account came with individual parental controls).
But I don't think you can extrapolate from a stock acknowledgement message to "it's coming soon."
I've filed hundreds of bug reports with Apple and have been a beta tester for at least 15 years.
Read the email in the article. It says that the bug is still in the database. If the bug is closed, Apple sends a message saying that the bug is closed. If it's still active in the database, it's open.
I've been wanting multi-user on the iPad for some time.
My GUESS is that the way Apple makes files as an adjunct to ONLY the applications that made them -- multi-user gets problematic because you've got the permissions to the App controlling the permissions to the File (and not the other way around).
I think Apple is going to HAVE TO start storing files in a document folder and then in an "app storage folder" inside that, instead of the App folder, and then have support for "meta tags" to restrict access.
Or they can just have a "super user" and a non-authenticated user, because Dad doesn't want the kids looking at the photos taken at the cocktail mixer last night.
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Originally Posted by Fake_William_Shatner
I've been wanting multi-user on the iPad for some time.
But don't expect to get it. That notion is something Apple probably talked about for 5 minutes way back when the iPad was going to come first, and then was likely dropped as impractical and really not needed by the masses. Let someone figure out a way to do it in a jailbreak for the nerds that insist it is vital. Let everyone else that has no issue with using webmail to keep their emails away from the kids, or turn on restrictions before they had it to Junior etc keep doing it that way.
As for the single document pool, that is one thing that I do agree with. I don't see a need for a 'Finder' but I can see the logic in not sandboxing at least some file types like PDFs into certain apps. If they were just in one bucket then it would be easy to flip between apps when you find a reader you like better. And they could drop the whole 'export to iTunes'/'import from iTunes' for copying back to the computer which is annoying and frustrating particularly for new users.
I see you still have your sunny disposition.
I see you still have your sunny disposition.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Holy cow! A perfectly normal form reply, the one sent out to absolutely everyone for absolutely everything, was sent out for this!
This is almost as embarrassing as not owning up to the false Tim Cook Valve story. But not quite up to the level of reporting a fake Phil Schiller tweet as "information" like some sites did.
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Originally Posted by palegolas
Yeah, I bet the FAMILY iPad is the biggest thing here. Since the iPad appeals to all ages I bet Apple is trying their very best to invent a login method that both 2 year olds and 82 year olds can handle.
I use mine for work so it would be nice to have a work and personal profile so I didn't have to see work emails on the weekend. Then again, it would be great if Apple just made it so you could schedule the email client for certain accounts.
I use Ourpad app on the ipad. Works beautifully to solve the multi-user issue. Atleast for now, given there's no other option. Try it.
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Originally Posted by rdowns
I see you still have your sunny disposition.
Do I know you? Your name seems familiar…
And what, you disagree? Someone else got this same e-mail about this same "problem" two years ago. It's the standard form e-mail; nothing to see here at all.
This isn't a confirmation in the slightest. It's a standard reply sent for duplicate reports of an issue. Do you guys have any brains at AI or are you just trying the old tired internet thing of "first!!" on everything you come across?
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Originally Posted by jragosta
I've filed hundreds of bug reports with Apple and have been a beta tester for at least 15 years.
Read the email in the article. It says that the bug is still in the database. If the bug is closed, Apple sends a message saying that the bug is closed. If it's still active in the database, it's open.
The poster's bug is closed. The original feature request bug is still open. Exactly what I said, exactly how it works. I'm not a beta tester, I make stuff. I pays my dues/fees, I check my checkboxes. And write bugs against stuff that doesn't work whether it be beta or shipped. My guess is that Apple's policies on whether or not combined bugs close hasn't changed in the past two years since my development work has primarily been outside the OS X sphere. That's not the kind of change you make if you run a sane house.
The first posts message is just a simple administrative message that says nothing about the likelihood or non-liklihood of the feature changing.
Or you can teach your kids not to take your iPad and to use the spare sitting around the house.
In reality, not everyone is going to have an extra iPad lying around. But even if they do, there are good reasons not to have unrestricted access. Do you really want your kids to have access to your work emails on your iPad?
And you're still wrong. As I said, I've been beta testing for Apple for at least 15 years and have run across this exact issue many times.
What happens is that if you offer a suggestion that is already in the system, and they later implement that suggestion, you get an email - regardless of whether you were first or not. So your suggestion is being tracked.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
And you're still wrong. As I said, I've been beta testing for Apple for at least 15 years and have run across this exact issue many times.
What happens is that if you offer a suggestion that is already in the system, and they later implement that suggestion, you get an email - regardless of whether you were first or not. So your suggestion is being tracked.
How daft are you trying to be!!!! If you would get off your I'm-the-only-one-who-can-be-right-hobby-horse and stop acting like an ass you would see plainly that the emails you speak of are in reference to the combined original bug and tracked via that issue. Not your Johnny-come-lately duplicate issue number. That just becomes a cross reference in the original issue.
My Gawd man, do I have to explain to you how to wipe your arse in a post too? Lest I be accused of incorrectly stating the TP dispenser is empty? Now I suggest you wash your hands too since you so want me to be wrong about the dispenser.
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I think Apple is going to HAVE TO start storing files in a document folder and then in an "app storage folder" inside that, instead of the App folder, and then have support for "meta tags" to restrict access.Originally Posted by Fake_William_Shatner
No, the two are wholly separate metadata entities: one applies to user permissions, the other to application bindings. There's no need whatsoever to implement a hierarchical file system just to support permissions and bindings. The underlying storage system is another, wholly irrelevant issue.
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Originally Posted by charlituna
But don't expect to get it. That notion is something Apple probably talked about for 5 minutes way back when the iPad was going to come first, and then was likely dropped as impractical and really not needed by the masses. Let someone figure out a way to do it in a jailbreak for the nerds that insist it is vital. Let everyone else that has no issue with using webmail to keep their emails away from the kids, or turn on restrictions before they had it to Junior etc keep doing it that way.
As for the single document pool, that is one thing that I do agree with. I don't see a need for a 'Finder' but I can see the logic in not sandboxing at least some file types like PDFs into certain apps. If they were just in one bucket then it would be easy to flip between apps when you find a reader you like better. And they could drop the whole 'export to iTunes'/'import from iTunes' for copying back to the computer which is annoying and frustrating particularly for new users.
I hope they add multi-user support to iOS sooner, rather than later. The longer they leave it, the more it will be tacked on as an afterthought (cf. multi user support in Classic Mac OS). Leave it switched off as the default for most users, but ultimately, sharing an iPad will be a very common thing, and Apple will need to address the implications that has.
As for the document model: in case you hadn't noticed, Apple are betting big time on the cloud. iTunes is no longer necessary to manage the music on your iOS devices, that in itself should be a clue as to where they are going with management of other data, too.
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
I use mine for work so it would be nice to have a work and personal profile so I didn't have to see work emails on the weekend. Then again, it would be great if Apple just made it so you could schedule the email client for certain accounts.
http://www.apple.com/feedback There's lots of room for improvement in the Mail notifications. For instance, I don't need my iPhone (or iPad) to actively inform me of every mailing list message that arrives in my GMail inbox, but I would like to be alerted when actual personal messages are dropped into my personal inbox.
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