I agree with this, but I am struck with how well Android phones are selling. They sell in huge numbers.
How can this be explained, given that what you say is true?
First of all, we don't have any actual sales numbers put out by even a single Android manufacturer, so it's all guesstimates on everyone's part.
Second, it is likely that their numbers are high because of their very large share in China and India. That's easily explained: The iPhone is still not on China's largest carrier, and India's telecom backbone is still relatively primitive for data. I am willing to bet that Android's profits are pretty lousy in those markets. But we'll never really know, since these guys don't reveal any segment data (for a product that they claim is huge).
First of all, we don't have any actual sales numbers put out by even a single Android manufacturer, so it's all guesstimates on everyone's part. But we'll never really know, since these guys don't reveal any segment data (for a product that they claim is huge).
Even if you accept those numbers (which I am very skeptical of), that's well under 1% of iPhones - hardly a very impressive number.
Considering that the jailbreak has only been available for a few days, I'd say it's quite impressive.
My real point was to challenge the stereotype I see constantly on here - that most Android users are borderline autistic anti-social nerds who just hack their phones all day, while iOS users aren't interested in any of that. It's just not supported by evidence.
I have used Android, hence the reason I know its crap although arguing with you seems a bit pointless.
Luckily for Google your opinion doesn't mean a lot since Android has a market share of 59% of the smartphone market but hey it's "crap" though, right? You have used every version of Android or just one phone now can label them all "crap"?
That is not a selling point for the bulk of the market. This is precisely why Apple with at most 3 devices, and all under one roof, can round up around 30% of the market, while Samsung needs to sell everything they've got, from the good, the bad, to the downright ugly, to achieve barely more than ownership of half the market. Never mind the other Android vendors.
For Joe Average, "customization", "boot loaders", ROMS, and all that other nonsense is completely trumped by ease of use, and breadth and depth of the Apple ecosystem. Given *choice*, *ability* (to pay) and *availability*, consumers are looking for Apple gear. All the customization and "freedom" and openness in the world can't cover up an interface that looks and works like garbage. Google *does not* have the basics of a touch interface mastered. This is and has always been the major embarrassment when it comes to Android. They didn't bother to perfect the basics. So even the highest-end Android smartphone looks and feels and performs like a science fair project. There's no polish. This is also why it just fails epically in the tablet space. All those problems that Android users force themselves to live with in the name of "freedom" become magnified and intensified on a tablet to the point that it just becomes unbearable.
If you don't build your house on a solid foundation it'll start falling apart.
Like I said before it comes down to ones preference, there is no such thing as the better OS. I personally really like the way Anroid looks like, well the vanilla look not much of a fan of all those skins, however the beauty about having an open system is that I can completely change it to something I do like. There are countles number of great shells that will completely change the way the phone looks and operates. It doesn't matter though, you will most defiantly come back with Android is garbage because of this and that, please remember though not everyone believes what you do. I guess I'm just really getting tired of hearing from both camps that their OS is superior then the other when their not. Each has it weaknesses and strengths, which one makes you happy is all that matters.
Like I said before it comes down to ones preference, there is no such thing as the better OS. Each has it weaknesses and strengths, which one makes you happy is all that matters.
Anecdotally, you can claim anything you like, and at the same time do away with any measure we have for anything. You can be a perpetual fence-sitter.
But piecemeal anecdotes don't matter. Your personal preference is not a reflection of either the desirability, performance, and quality of a product. The industry requires measures. These measures in turn set standards. These standards in turn light the way forward.
You can prefer whatever you like. Even an old Moto Star-Tac from 15 years ago.
But multiply your anecdote by thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, and we have a measure that can be used for forecasting, comparison, and to determine who has what amount of market influence.
THIS is all that matters. Consumer satisfaction reports, year after year. This is where the rubber meets the road. This is where market-share is placed into the correct context and perspective:
Luckily for Google your opinion doesn't mean a lot since Android has a market share of 59% of the smartphone market but hey it's "crap" though, right? You have used every version of Android or just one phone now can label them all "crap"?
By the way, it's "spiel" not "spill".
why use every version? what the point? Google have or are releasing version 5 while 85% of fandroids are still using <v4. On top of that its not like a new version gets released and anyone can install it, you need to wait for the phone/tablet manufacturer or phone company to released their modified version.
why use every version? what the point? Google have or are releasing version 5 while 85% of fandroids are still using <v4. On top of that its not like a new version gets released and anyone can install it, you need to wait for the phone/tablet manufacturer or phone company to released their modified version.
Just as I thought...you have no idea what you are on about lol.
Provide actuals facts, by way of a cite/evidence (and not for "shipped units" or some bogus estimates put out by consulting firms, please). Otherwise, zip it.
It's called Google. Forgot many need to be spoon fed, should I provide your opinion for you as well?
What data are you referring to?
Do people buy smartphones for a variety of reasons?
I'm pretty sure people don't buy Android phones for the vast Android app ecosystem. So that must mean they buy Android phones to handle the normal tasks of phone calls, text messages and Facebook.
And as for Windows... when someone buys "a computer" chances are it's a Windows machine. And a lot of people use a computer for nothing more that email and Facebook.
Oh and you haven't provided any data either...
"I'm pretty sure" and "chances are" ? Really, these are your goto argument terms? Do you have any idea what "fact" means? You have no idea what others motivations are. Your opinion is not fact no matter how much you wish it was.
McDonald's has stores everywhere. Must be the best restaurant in the world.
I love the rational:
When referring to iPad it is all about numbers, how many sold and market share, when referring to Mac and iPhone it's not about the numbers or market share. Hypocrisy at its finest.
why use every version? what the point? Google have or are releasing version 5 while 85% of fandroids are still using <v4. On top of that its not like a new version gets released and anyone can install it, you need to wait for the phone/tablet manufacturer or phone company to released their modified version.
You should stop. Every new post of yours digs your ignorant hole deeper and deeper. You may want to stick to opinions and knowing what everyone else in the world thinks, facts and data are wasted on you.
So your use qualifies you to speak on behalf of all other Windows users and Android users? Good to know.
lol where did I say Im speaking on behalf of all other Windows and Android users? I said my opinion, and by choice, I choose to be neither a windows or android user. I chose to be a sheep with the other 41% of the smartphone market share... hang on that doesn't sound right?
You and fred have obviously joined this forum to to start arguments. Go join another forum with like minded people who think Android is good.
When referring to iPad it is all about numbers, how many sold and market share, when referring to Mac and iPhone it's not about the numbers or market share. Hypocrisy at its finest.
It's about ratings, reviews, popularity, and customer service. Also about profit. Apple happens to be first in all.
You should stop. Every new post of yours digs your ignorant hole deeper and deeper. You may want to stick to opinions and knowing what everyone else in the world thinks, facts and data are wasted on you.
It's about ratings, reviews, popularity, and customer service. Also about profit. Apple happens to be first in all.
I guess being behind in market share both in desktop computing and smartphones means winning in popularity then yes you are right. But when you make comments about McDonalds being everywhere and yet not the best your hypocrisy shows. As I stated, iPad all about the numbers, Mac, iPhone and pretty much anything else Apple it's about everything but numbers. Makes me chuckle.
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Originally Posted by Hyram Gestan
I agree with this, but I am struck with how well Android phones are selling. They sell in huge numbers.
How can this be explained, given that what you say is true?
First of all, we don't have any actual sales numbers put out by even a single Android manufacturer, so it's all guesstimates on everyone's part.
Second, it is likely that their numbers are high because of their very large share in China and India. That's easily explained: The iPhone is still not on China's largest carrier, and India's telecom backbone is still relatively primitive for data. I am willing to bet that Android's profits are pretty lousy in those markets. But we'll never really know, since these guys don't reveal any segment data (for a product that they claim is huge).
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
That isn't a lot. At all.
Agreed. It's probably less than 1%.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
First of all, we don't have any actual sales numbers put out by even a single Android manufacturer, so it's all guesstimates on everyone's part. But we'll never really know, since these guys don't reveal any segment data (for a product that they claim is huge).
But, but… a million activations a day!
EDIT: Posted wrong thread...
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Even if you accept those numbers (which I am very skeptical of), that's well under 1% of iPhones - hardly a very impressive number.
Considering that the jailbreak has only been available for a few days, I'd say it's quite impressive.
My real point was to challenge the stereotype I see constantly on here - that most Android users are borderline autistic anti-social nerds who just hack their phones all day, while iOS users aren't interested in any of that. It's just not supported by evidence.
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Originally Posted by geoadm
I have used Android, hence the reason I know its crap although arguing with you seems a bit pointless.
Luckily for Google your opinion doesn't mean a lot since Android has a market share of 59% of the smartphone market but hey it's "crap" though, right? You have used every version of Android or just one phone now can label them all "crap"?
By the way, it's "spiel" not "spill".
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
…Android has a market share of 59% of the smartphone market but hey it's "crap" though, right?
McDonald's has stores everywhere. Must be the best restaurant in the world.
Like I said before it comes down to ones preference, there is no such thing as the better OS. I personally really like the way Anroid looks like, well the vanilla look not much of a fan of all those skins, however the beauty about having an open system is that I can completely change it to something I do like. There are countles number of great shells that will completely change the way the phone looks and operates. It doesn't matter though, you will most defiantly come back with Android is garbage because of this and that, please remember though not everyone believes what you do. I guess I'm just really getting tired of hearing from both camps that their OS is superior then the other when their not. Each has it weaknesses and strengths, which one makes you happy is all that matters.
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Originally Posted by Relic
Like I said before it comes down to ones preference, there is no such thing as the better OS. Each has it weaknesses and strengths, which one makes you happy is all that matters.
Anecdotally, you can claim anything you like, and at the same time do away with any measure we have for anything. You can be a perpetual fence-sitter.
But piecemeal anecdotes don't matter. Your personal preference is not a reflection of either the desirability, performance, and quality of a product. The industry requires measures. These measures in turn set standards. These standards in turn light the way forward.
You can prefer whatever you like. Even an old Moto Star-Tac from 15 years ago.
But multiply your anecdote by thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, and we have a measure that can be used for forecasting, comparison, and to determine who has what amount of market influence.
THIS is all that matters. Consumer satisfaction reports, year after year. This is where the rubber meets the road. This is where market-share is placed into the correct context and perspective:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/16/iphone-waltzes-into-top-spot-of-us-phone-satisfaction-index/
http://mashable.com/2011/09/09/apple-customer-satisfaction-survey/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/briancaulfield/2011/03/18/apples-iphone-tops-jd-power-customer-satisfaction-survey-again/
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/08/apple-again-tops-j-d-power-rankings-of-smartphone-consumer-satisfaction/
Apple has consistenly topped rankings of this kind since the first or second year into the iPhone's release.
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
Luckily for Google your opinion doesn't mean a lot since Android has a market share of 59% of the smartphone market but hey it's "crap" though, right? You have used every version of Android or just one phone now can label them all "crap"?
By the way, it's "spiel" not "spill".
why use every version? what the point? Google have or are releasing version 5 while 85% of fandroids are still using <v4. On top of that its not like a new version gets released and anyone can install it, you need to wait for the phone/tablet manufacturer or phone company to released their modified version.
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Originally Posted by geoadm
why use every version? what the point? Google have or are releasing version 5 while 85% of fandroids are still using <v4. On top of that its not like a new version gets released and anyone can install it, you need to wait for the phone/tablet manufacturer or phone company to released their modified version.
Just as I thought...you have no idea what you are on about lol.
So your use qualifies you to speak on behalf of all other Windows users and Android users? Good to know.
It's called Google. Forgot many need to be spoon fed, should I provide your opinion for you as well?
"I'm pretty sure" and "chances are" ? Really, these are your goto argument terms? Do you have any idea what "fact" means? You have no idea what others motivations are. Your opinion is not fact no matter how much you wish it was.
I love the rational:
When referring to iPad it is all about numbers, how many sold and market share, when referring to Mac and iPhone it's not about the numbers or market share. Hypocrisy at its finest.
You should stop. Every new post of yours digs your ignorant hole deeper and deeper. You may want to stick to opinions and knowing what everyone else in the world thinks, facts and data are wasted on you.
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Originally Posted by Hellacool
So your use qualifies you to speak on behalf of all other Windows users and Android users? Good to know.
lol where did I say Im speaking on behalf of all other Windows and Android users? I said my opinion, and by choice, I choose to be neither a windows or android user. I chose to be a sheep with the other 41% of the smartphone market share... hang on that doesn't sound right?
You and fred have obviously joined this forum to to start arguments. Go join another forum with like minded people who think Android is good.
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Originally Posted by Hellacool
I love the rational:
When referring to iPad it is all about numbers, how many sold and market share, when referring to Mac and iPhone it's not about the numbers or market share. Hypocrisy at its finest.
It's about ratings, reviews, popularity, and customer service. Also about profit. Apple happens to be first in all.
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Originally Posted by Hellacool
You should stop. Every new post of yours digs your ignorant hole deeper and deeper. You may want to stick to opinions and knowing what everyone else in the world thinks, facts and data are wasted on you.
haha you have given no facts
http://www.androidauthority.com/android-marketshare-gingerbread-froyo-ice-cream-sandwich-60474/
this is a couple months old but I doubt much has changed
I guess being behind in market share both in desktop computing and smartphones means winning in popularity then yes you are right. But when you make comments about McDonalds being everywhere and yet not the best your hypocrisy shows. As I stated, iPad all about the numbers, Mac, iPhone and pretty much anything else Apple it's about everything but numbers. Makes me chuckle.