I think Apple is crazy if they do this. I have multiple speakers and alarm radios that use the existing plug for my multiple idevices. To abandon multi Apple device users like myself to get a tiny bit of space back is just crazy, it will impact my decision on whether to go to iphone5. Steve Jobs would not have done something this stupid!
I think Apple is crazy if they do this. I have multiple speakers and alarm radios that use the existing plug for my multiple idevices. To abandon multi Apple device users like myself to get a tiny bit of space back is just crazy…
$10 adapter. Boom. The only crazy thing here is people claiming Apple should ignore the future and keep the same port.
…iphone5.
iPhone.
Steve Jobs would not have done something this stupid!
This is getting extraordinarily old, particularly since one of the highlights of his entire career was doing this. Dozens of times. To every product they make, reshaping the entire industry every single time.
Sounded like it was possible a couple years back in Europe.
that was due to legal issues. Apple got them to agree to letting them keep the DC so long as they gave folks in Europe a free adapter to use with their standardized power cables to recharge their phones.
personally I think at some point they likely will reduce the dock connector but not until wifi syncing and/or thunderbolt adoption is way more wide spread.
I think Apple is crazy if they do this. I have multiple speakers and alarm radios that use the existing plug for my multiple idevices. To abandon multi Apple device users like myself to get a tiny bit of space back is just crazy, it will impact my decision on whether to go to iphone5. Steve Jobs would not have done something this stupid!
Simple adapter should do it. Not a big deal. I've got an RMBP on order that uses MagSafe 2 and 2 adapters to make my TB display and spare charger compatible. Bit ugly, but hardly the end of the world.
Uh, yeah - I had the 12v to 5v adapter for my older car interface and it was a hot, heavy POS that constantly fell out of the 30 pin connectors. I have to agree that his would be Ill-advised. It also removes a selling point of iPhone over an Android phone.
For those who listen to Mac Break Weekly I agree with Andy Ihnatko. I'm all for moving forward with a design as long as it is adding some form of functionality. For example, the need to potentially carry a dongle for the new MBP to be able to use an extra $80 power I have at home, then a $30 adapter for when I'm on the road and somewhere with no Wi-Fi, is a pain in the a$$. Especially when its done to save a mm or two. When it's all said and done it's still a freaking 15" laptop. What's all that inconvenience give me? The ability to shove a few extra papers in to my laptop bag? Sorry not worth it.
There are millions of existing accessories out there for the 30-pin. It'll be a huge inconvenience and expense for the next 2-3 years for every one who owns an iPad, iPhone, iPod. If the rumors are true I hope the design is for a super secret feature yet to be named....
$10 adapter. Boom. The only crazy thing here is people claiming Apple should ignore the future and keep the same port.
How convenient and pretty to have to move around another mandatory proprietary adapter to put on top of your existing third parties devices, so great. Never ever could they have at least evolved toward a dock using industry ubiquitous and standard ports like microUSB, god forbids.
edit: moreover even less open, "the new power connector will have a chip on both ends of the cable, giving Apple total control and leaving device manufacturers unable to make unlicensed third-party accessories."
moreover even less open, "the new power connector will have a chip on both ends of the cable, giving Apple total control and leaving device manufacturers unable to make unlicensed third-party accessories."
You link to an article about the possibility of a magnetic connector on the next iPhone and you moan about the technology changing? I suppose you still listen to cassette tapes and watch video tapes?
How convenient and pretty to have to move around another mandatory proprietary adapter to put on top of your existing third parties devices, so great. Never ever could they have at least evolved toward a dock using industry ubiquitous and standard ports like microUSB, god forbids. ...
This is just crazy talk.
It's impossible to replace the 30 pin connector with microUSB or Firewire or any of the "standard" ports. Apple would have to put 3 ports on it instead of one and there wouldn't be room for that. If they had gone with just one connector and eschewed all the missing compatibility, they would have had to change it over the years from Firewire to USB to USB 2 to USB 3 anyway and nothing would be compatible with anything else from the start. At lead with the 30 pin connector we've had ten years of compatibility with no adapters. The very thing you are complaining about is actually enabled by the technology you are dissing here.
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Originally Posted by Sensi
... even less open, "the new power connector will have a chip on both ends of the cable, giving Apple total control and leaving device manufacturers unable to make unlicensed third-party accessories."
Any decent high speed data cable has a "chip" in the cable and/or in the devices it connects to. Firewire works because the chip is mandated in each firewire compatible device for instance. Thunderbolt puts the chip in the cable.
You don't seem to know much about what you are criticising here.
It's impossible to replace the 30 pin connector with microUSB or Firewire or any of the "standard" ports. Apple would have to put 3 ports on it instead of one and there wouldn't be room for that. If they had gone with just one connector and eschewed all the missing compatibility, they would have had to change it over the years from Firewire to USB to USB 2 to USB 3 anyway and nothing would be compatible with anything else from the start. At lead with the 30 pin connector we've had ten years of compatibility with no adapters. The very thing you are complaining about is actually enabled by the technology you are dissing here.
I don't understand why they need so many pins anyway. I know at some point there was an HDMI adapter which probably used a few, however I doubt many people use that, especially now that we have Airplay. Every time I plug my iOS device into a charger or a computer the other end is always USB anyway so why do they need anything more than USB on the other end. Apple can do absolutely anything with just USB including completely replacing the entire OS. What exactly do they do with the other pins?
For those who listen to Mac Break Weekly I agree with Andy Ihnatko. I'm all for moving forward with a design as long as it is adding some form of functionality. For example, the need to potentially carry a dongle for the new MBP to be able to use an extra $80 power I have at home, then a $30 adapter for when I'm on the road and somewhere with no Wi-Fi, is a pain in the a$$. Especially when its done to save a mm or two. When it's all said and done it's still a freaking 15" laptop. What's all that inconvenience give me? The ability to shove a few extra papers in to my laptop bag? Sorry not worth it.
There are millions of existing accessories out there for the 30-pin. It'll be a huge inconvenience and expense for the next 2-3 years for every one who owns an iPad, iPhone, iPod. If the rumors are true I hope the design is for a super secret feature yet to be named....
I agree, Apple would be filling in one of its moats by changing the dock connector. The ability to reuse your accessories with multiple devices is a tremendous incentive to stick with an iOS device in the future. For example, I'm still using the Apple Universal Dock I bought with my long gone iPod Video, and I have a iHealth blood pressure dock that I have used with my iPhone, iPad and iPod touch.
the new power connector will have a chip on both ends of the cable, giving Apple total control and leaving device manufacturers unable to make unlicensed third-party accessories.
I love that you think this is somehow a bad thing.
Agree. This should be nice and equip the latest iPhone with ultra fast flash memory …
You know, that's the only thing I ever hear as an excuse for why there shouldn't be Thunderbolt pins on the new port. "The NAND chips can't write fast enough"… SO MAKE FASTER NAND CHIPS! My stars, we're supposed to be held back because of that? NO; this is how you move forward. You don't say, "Well, it can't be taken advantage of now, so we may as well not do it," because then the chip makers say, "Well, the port can't go any faster than this, so there's no sense in making chips that can write that fast."
An Italian site has an interesting take on the dock change. They suggest it will allow for Apple's needed pins but also be backwards compatible with micro-USB for chargers. They also suggest that the movement of the stereo jack could be for an adapter that would allow current docks to work with the new design.
An Italian site has an interesting take on the dock change. They suggest it will allow for Apple's needed pins but also be backwards compatible with micro-USB for chargers. They also suggest that the movement of the stereo jack could be for an adapter that would allow current docks to work with the new design.
Now there's an idea. And it explains the movement of the 3.5mm jack (though if that's the only reason for the move, I'll be somewhat upset).
I bet having the jack on the bottom is for FaceTime calls. I generally have headphones on when talking to the wife and son, the cord is usually in the way because I often flip back and forth with the cameras. Plus the cord is always in the way when taking pictures and listening to something at the same time.
You know, that's the only thing I ever hear as an excuse for why there shouldn't be Thunderbolt pins on the new port. "The NAND chips can't write fast enough"… SO MAKE FASTER NAND CHIPS! My stars, we're supposed to be held back because of that? NO; this is how you move forward. You don't say, "Well, it can't be taken advantage of now, so we may as well not do it," because then the chip makers say, "Well, the port can't go any faster than this, so there's no sense in making chips that can write that fast."
hahah agree!! I may be new to the forum but i've read a couple of your posts in various threads and i like your style very much, your logic and the way you put it into words. Regards!
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I think Apple is crazy if they do this. I have multiple speakers and alarm radios that use the existing plug for my multiple idevices. To abandon multi Apple device users like myself to get a tiny bit of space back is just crazy, it will impact my decision on whether to go to iphone5. Steve Jobs would not have done something this stupid!
$10 adapter. Boom. The only crazy thing here is people claiming Apple should ignore the future and keep the same port.
iPhone.
This is getting extraordinarily old, particularly since one of the highlights of his entire career was doing this. Dozens of times. To every product they make, reshaping the entire industry every single time.
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Aside: It's interesting… You're online, but… …Interesting.
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
Sounded like it was possible a couple years back in Europe.
that was due to legal issues. Apple got them to agree to letting them keep the DC so long as they gave folks in Europe a free adapter to use with their standardized power cables to recharge their phones.
personally I think at some point they likely will reduce the dock connector but not until wifi syncing and/or thunderbolt adoption is way more wide spread.
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Originally Posted by mikeyeli
I think Apple is crazy if they do this. I have multiple speakers and alarm radios that use the existing plug for my multiple idevices. To abandon multi Apple device users like myself to get a tiny bit of space back is just crazy, it will impact my decision on whether to go to iphone5. Steve Jobs would not have done something this stupid!
Simple adapter should do it. Not a big deal. I've got an RMBP on order that uses MagSafe 2 and 2 adapters to make my TB display and spare charger compatible. Bit ugly, but hardly the end of the world.
Thunderbolt: a single connection to rule them all. Soon on iOS besides the current Mac. REVOLUTIONARY!
For those who listen to Mac Break Weekly I agree with Andy Ihnatko. I'm all for moving forward with a design as long as it is adding some form of functionality. For example, the need to potentially carry a dongle for the new MBP to be able to use an extra $80 power I have at home, then a $30 adapter for when I'm on the road and somewhere with no Wi-Fi, is a pain in the a$$. Especially when its done to save a mm or two. When it's all said and done it's still a freaking 15" laptop. What's all that inconvenience give me? The ability to shove a few extra papers in to my laptop bag? Sorry not worth it.
There are millions of existing accessories out there for the 30-pin. It'll be a huge inconvenience and expense for the next 2-3 years for every one who owns an iPad, iPhone, iPod. If the rumors are true I hope the design is for a super secret feature yet to be named....
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
$10 adapter. Boom. The only crazy thing here is people claiming Apple should ignore the future and keep the same port.
How convenient and pretty to have to move around another mandatory proprietary adapter to put on top of your existing third parties devices, so great. Never ever could they have at least evolved toward a dock using industry ubiquitous and standard ports like microUSB, god forbids.
edit: moreover even less open, "the new power connector will have a chip on both ends of the cable, giving Apple total control and leaving device manufacturers unable to make unlicensed third-party accessories."
cf. http://www.slashgear.com/new-iphone-port-tipped-to-lock-out-unlicensed-accessories-21235103/
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Originally Posted by Sensi
moreover even less open, "the new power connector will have a chip on both ends of the cable, giving Apple total control and leaving device manufacturers unable to make unlicensed third-party accessories."
cf. http://www.slashgear.com/new-iphone-port-tipped-to-lock-out-unlicensed-accessories-21235103/
You link to an article about the possibility of a magnetic connector on the next iPhone and you moan about the technology changing? I suppose you still listen to cassette tapes and watch video tapes?
Some people always find something to moan about
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Originally Posted by Sensi
How convenient and pretty to have to move around another mandatory proprietary adapter to put on top of your existing third parties devices, so great. Never ever could they have at least evolved toward a dock using industry ubiquitous and standard ports like microUSB, god forbids. ...
This is just crazy talk.
It's impossible to replace the 30 pin connector with microUSB or Firewire or any of the "standard" ports. Apple would have to put 3 ports on it instead of one and there wouldn't be room for that. If they had gone with just one connector and eschewed all the missing compatibility, they would have had to change it over the years from Firewire to USB to USB 2 to USB 3 anyway and nothing would be compatible with anything else from the start. At lead with the 30 pin connector we've had ten years of compatibility with no adapters. The very thing you are complaining about is actually enabled by the technology you are dissing here.
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Originally Posted by Sensi
... even less open, "the new power connector will have a chip on both ends of the cable, giving Apple total control and leaving device manufacturers unable to make unlicensed third-party accessories."
cf. http://www.slashgear.com/new-iphone-port-tipped-to-lock-out-unlicensed-accessories-21235103/
Any decent high speed data cable has a "chip" in the cable and/or in the devices it connects to. Firewire works because the chip is mandated in each firewire compatible device for instance. Thunderbolt puts the chip in the cable.
You don't seem to know much about what you are criticising here.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
This is just crazy talk.
It's impossible to replace the 30 pin connector with microUSB or Firewire or any of the "standard" ports. Apple would have to put 3 ports on it instead of one and there wouldn't be room for that. If they had gone with just one connector and eschewed all the missing compatibility, they would have had to change it over the years from Firewire to USB to USB 2 to USB 3 anyway and nothing would be compatible with anything else from the start. At lead with the 30 pin connector we've had ten years of compatibility with no adapters. The very thing you are complaining about is actually enabled by the technology you are dissing here.
I don't understand why they need so many pins anyway. I know at some point there was an HDMI adapter which probably used a few, however I doubt many people use that, especially now that we have Airplay. Every time I plug my iOS device into a charger or a computer the other end is always USB anyway so why do they need anything more than USB on the other end. Apple can do absolutely anything with just USB including completely replacing the entire OS. What exactly do they do with the other pins?
I agree, Apple would be filling in one of its moats by changing the dock connector. The ability to reuse your accessories with multiple devices is a tremendous incentive to stick with an iOS device in the future. For example, I'm still using the Apple Universal Dock I bought with my long gone iPod Video, and I have a iHealth blood pressure dock that I have used with my iPhone, iPad and iPod touch.
And I just got my Elevation Dock, dammit!
I love that you think this is somehow a bad thing.
You know, that's the only thing I ever hear as an excuse for why there shouldn't be Thunderbolt pins on the new port. "The NAND chips can't write fast enough"… SO MAKE FASTER NAND CHIPS! My stars, we're supposed to be held back because of that? NO; this is how you move forward. You don't say, "Well, it can't be taken advantage of now, so we may as well not do it," because then the chip makers say, "Well, the port can't go any faster than this, so there's no sense in making chips that can write that fast."
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PS: Gizmodo doesn't mention it but I'd say audio would still go through the dock port with the stereo jack only providing support for the adapter.
Now there's an idea. And it explains the movement of the 3.5mm jack (though if that's the only reason for the move, I'll be somewhat upset).
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
You know, that's the only thing I ever hear as an excuse for why there shouldn't be Thunderbolt pins on the new port. "The NAND chips can't write fast enough"… SO MAKE FASTER NAND CHIPS! My stars, we're supposed to be held back because of that? NO; this is how you move forward. You don't say, "Well, it can't be taken advantage of now, so we may as well not do it," because then the chip makers say, "Well, the port can't go any faster than this, so there's no sense in making chips that can write that fast."
hahah agree!! I may be new to the forum but i've read a couple of your posts in various threads and i like your style very much, your logic and the way you put it into words. Regards!