There were a few, you among them, who used to argue vehemently about Nokia's place in the order of things. I remember those arguments. You found it almost impossible to believe that Apple's phone could displace Symbian phones as the number one or two smartphone line.
Now, saying "never" is a foolish thing. Even the universe will die someday. I'm not saying that you used that word, because we weren't talking about decades, but still...
It's not hard to find posts where he's talking up Nokia and/or talking down Apple's success. Literally 3 minutes from search to post.
Nokia's pricing structure is an indication that their market share will continue to stay at the high levels that they are currently are. Remember, the majority of the worlds population cannot afford a phone with a average selling price of US$600
Most people cannot afford (or do not want to pay) the service plan associated with an iPhone, making this phone (and all of the Nokia phones you can buy unlocked) a major advantage
wow, big market there, I think Apple has more to be worried about than Nokia has.
Asia/Pacific is the market to go for, and another market Apple struggles in, the phones are over priced for the majority of people, and the plans associated with them are either too expensive, or too low for the data caps.
Look at the second link, especially the YoY growth. Huge growth there for the USA compared to the other markets (especially China), Nokia already has a good handle on the practice of providing networks with branded phones (as terrible as the concept is), how is Apple in that arena (well they will drop features as AT&T ask I suppose)
As for iPhone sales, no they are not doing well in Europe, or any other country excluding the US, that is a fact. Appleinsider is a propaganda site, just like macrumors, they are here to say positive things about Apple, and they always have a postive outlook for everything, I wouldn't really trust information from here, particularly sales figures
Also, for most business users, the companies want them to have basic features, the majority don't need data, don't need a fancy interface, don't need installable applications. They need a device that can make phones calls, and receive text messages. They don't like them spending unnecessary money.
I consider the iPhone a failure in the same way i consider Apple screwing up their other products, especially in Europe, they try and continue with an American sales method, which doesn't work here
PS: Only pulled the ones that didn't require quotes from other posters to get context which means I had to leave out a lot of juicy ones.
There were a few, you among them, who used to argue vehemently about Nokia's place in the order of things. I remember those arguments. You found it almost impossible to believe that Apple's phone could displace Symbian phones as the number one or two smartphone line.
Now, saying "never" is a foolish thing. Even the universe will die someday. I'm not saying that you used that word, because we weren't talking about decades, but still...
I have never said they will never fail. I will admit that I thought Apple would struggle, but I never said Nokia wouldn't fail.
It's not hard to find posts where he's talking up Nokia and/or talking down Apple's success. Literally 3 minutes from search to post.
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Nokia's pricing structure is an indication that their market share will continue to stay at the high levels that they are currently are. Remember, the majority of the worlds population cannot afford a phone with a average selling price of US$600
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Most people cannot afford (or do not want to pay) the service plan associated with an iPhone, making this phone (and all of the Nokia phones you can buy unlocked) a major advantage
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wow, big market there, I think Apple has more to be worried about than Nokia has.
Asia/Pacific is the market to go for, and another market Apple struggles in, the phones are over priced for the majority of people, and the plans associated with them are either too expensive, or too low for the data caps.
Look at the second link, especially the YoY growth. Huge growth there for the USA compared to the other markets (especially China), Nokia already has a good handle on the practice of providing networks with branded phones (as terrible as the concept is), how is Apple in that arena (well they will drop features as AT&T ask I suppose)
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As for iPhone sales, no they are not doing well in Europe, or any other country excluding the US, that is a fact. Appleinsider is a propaganda site, just like macrumors, they are here to say positive things about Apple, and they always have a postive outlook for everything, I wouldn't really trust information from here, particularly sales figures
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Also, for most business users, the companies want them to have basic features, the majority don't need data, don't need a fancy interface, don't need installable applications. They need a device that can make phones calls, and receive text messages. They don't like them spending unnecessary money.
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I consider the iPhone a failure in the same way i consider Apple screwing up their other products, especially in Europe, they try and continue with an American sales method, which doesn't work here
PS: Only pulled the ones that didn't quotes from other posters to clarify the meaning which I had to leave out a lot of juicy ones.
It's not hard to find posts where he's talking up Nokia and/or talking down Apple's success. Literally 3 minutes from search to post.
Nokia's pricing structure is an indication that their market share will continue to stay at the high levels that they are currently are. Remember, the majority of the worlds population cannot afford a phone with a average selling price of US$600
Most people cannot afford (or do not want to pay) the service plan associated with an iPhone, making this phone (and all of the Nokia phones you can buy unlocked) a major advantage
wow, big market there, I think Apple has more to be worried about than Nokia has.
Asia/Pacific is the market to go for, and another market Apple struggles in, the phones are over priced for the majority of people, and the plans associated with them are either too expensive, or too low for the data caps.
Look at the second link, especially the YoY growth. Huge growth there for the USA compared to the other markets (especially China), Nokia already has a good handle on the practice of providing networks with branded phones (as terrible as the concept is), how is Apple in that arena (well they will drop features as AT&T ask I suppose)
As for iPhone sales, no they are not doing well in Europe, or any other country excluding the US, that is a fact. Appleinsider is a propaganda site, just like macrumors, they are here to say positive things about Apple, and they always have a postive outlook for everything, I wouldn't really trust information from here, particularly sales figures
Also, for most business users, the companies want them to have basic features, the majority don't need data, don't need a fancy interface, don't need installable applications. They need a device that can make phones calls, and receive text messages. They don't like them spending unnecessary money.
I consider the iPhone a failure in the same way i consider Apple screwing up their other products, especially in Europe, they try and continue with an American sales method, which doesn't work here
PS: Only pulled the ones that didn't quotes from other posters to clarify the meaning which I had to leave out a lot of juicy ones.
here we go again, and where did someone say they would never fail?
Yet every time Microsoft sucker-punches their "partners", (Plays-For-Sure? Whoops! Kin phones? Whoops! Lumia and Win Phone 7.x? Whoops and whoops again), the partners seem content to grab their ankles and say "Thank you sir! May I have another?"
I don't get it. Why do they all put up with this?
Stockholm syndrome?
I agree, it's a real mystery. It should be clear, after around three decades: There are no Microsoft "partners". Only Microsoft victims.
There is a lot of crying foul over the7.8 issue and non upgrading to 8, but how about credit where credit is due, I would rather have a vendor say "hey, that hardware just cant handle the new stuff" I dont like it but I get it. Apple however makes people with the 3gs beleive that they are going to have IOS 6, when what they are going to have is nothing more than iOS 5 with a diferant and arguabley more limited maps application. Of the 10 features listed on Apples ios 6 landing page, all except the accecibility improvments are explicitly footnoted as not for 3gs, so really if Apple were honestwith customers, they would call it 5.9 and say "its the end of the road for this handset" but of coursethey dont wanna do that and the things will likely get iOS 7 next year too...
There is a lot of crying foul over the7.8 issue and non upgrading to 8, but how about credit where credit is due, I would rather have a vendor say "hey, that hardware just cant handle the new stuff" I dont like it but I get it. Apple however makes people with the 3gs beleive that they are going to have IOS 6
I agree that we should give credit to MS for actually updating WP7 users to a slightly higher version of WP7 but they are still leaving their WP7 users behind by switching their kernel from WinCE to WinNT. They dropped their WinMo users not to long ago and now they are dropping their WP& users. It's a little gentler but they are still being put out and forgotten about.
Other than having a history of supporting devices for 3 full years which makes it ironic to pooh-pooh now where has Apple made you or anyone else believe that the 3GS will get iOS 6?
To be fair, let's not completely blame Microsoft for screwing the consumers over. It's in both of the companies' business models to focus on selling their core products - MS selling software license and Nokia selling hardware - which unluckily for consumers means getting crappy products.
Ahhh... The Flying Monkey Smurf phones.... Global joke...OEM belly-large wiiner of he year.... And most roundly rejected piece of Micro-Kia junk put on the this year... The Lap-let or top-tab smurf-mo platforms intruded by the Monkey Kingdom announced this week, isn't gonna be built by the Bomber-squadron either... It was announced that a Chinese contract manufacture was gonna actually do the work, with the Moyket mama's minions putting on the logo.....sometimes...
These people are a disgrace to modern tech. Companies today...
MS is pulling the rug out from under Windows Phone from now until December. The platform is already floundering. Now there will be even *less* reason for consumers to spend money on it. And what's the point, anyway? If consumers want a cheap, disposable phone that is iPhone-like without it being an iPhone, there's Android. If consumers want the "cool", Premium iPhone experience then they can get an iPhone.
What's the reason to get a Windows Phone? What is the point of this platform? It brings nothing really game-changing or killer to the table.
Because some people actually like different GUI from Palm-esque (or, if you like, Newton-esque) apps in a grid, maybe?
From all the iPhone users I know, I'd say approximately half are not running latest iOS anyway. I know a few still running iOS 3.x. I'm personally running latest iOS on my 3Gs, but since I'm missing on Siri, video editing and what not, I'm not really having iOS 5 experience. I'm also missing Retina display, performance of new hardware (my 3Gs gets choppy every now and then) and cannot run some of the latest games (at least not with acceptable smoothness), so my iOS 5 experience is more theoretical anyway.
WP7.5 users will get updated GUI to provide them with part of WP8 experience. Hardware limitations they cannot overcome anyway, so even with WP8 they would not get faster phone, higher screen resolutions, SD card, near-field-whatever tech... major thing is apps compatibility, but considering that it will take, what? probably a year for WP8 phones to reach numbers of WP7.5 phones in wild, I don't think that any developer will create WP8 app without porting it to (or from) WP7.5 version anyway. Plus I believe MS mentioned somewhere they will make porting/cross-compiling between 7.5 and 8 as easy as possible.
Yes, it will still make developer's life harder. Such is life.
Marketing hype aside... phones like Lumia 900 are as good as they were yesterday, regardless of fact that something better just come out. Prices will go down even more. WP7.5 units could just as well replace remaining Nokia's Symbian offerings on their cheap side, and it's not like current Lumia 900 users overpaid them anyway. If I find myself looking for cheap basic smartphone later this year, I might just as well look at Lumia 900.
In my eyes also, there's a bit of identity crisis with iPhone nowadays. when I god mine back in 2009, there weren't too many of them here in NZ, and it was cool (in a geeky way) having one. But today? It seems to me there are still more iPhones than Androids around here. Getting another iPhone is not really cool anymore. It is just "me too". Coolness requires some exclusivity. iPhone, good as it is, is too much mainstream today. And being good does not automatically mean being cool.
Here's Microsoft method of doing business. First they try to screw Apple by practically copying the Mac GUI, but changed it enough to not be caught stealing it. THEN, they write contracts with their OEM partners to basically prevent them from offering the Mac Operating System on PCs. THEN they now are talking about offering these so-called tablets to prevent their OEM partners from competing in what is unfair business practices because their OEM partners have to PAY Microsoft for the use of their OSs, but Microsoft does't pay a dime for it, plus Microsoft gets a competitive jump on the competition by showing their Windows 8 tablets way ahead of the Windows 8 release date. Now, all of the WIndows 7 phone users can't upgrade to Windows 8 and they just started selling these WIndows 7 phone not too long ago.
What next? So, Microsoft not only tries to screw over their competitors, but their business partners (of which Apple was a business partner) and now they are screwing their OEM partners, customers and everyone that they can think of.
I am surprised Microsoft is still one company and I am surprised if they don't have a flood of lawsuits hitting them.
I'm glad I am Apple user. Apple wouldn't release a piece of hardware and then release a new operating system within a year that the hardware won't support. They wait a fair amount of time before they drop support on a hardware product with regards to OS updates. You may not get all of the functionality, but at least you can install it. I think Apple waits somewhere around 2 to 3 years before they drop OS support in terms of updating hardware products. Correct me if I am wrong. I know the Smartphone industry in general has been faster moving than the PC industry due to the very nature of the product, but within a year of releasing a product?
I lost you at "THEN, they write contracts with their OEM partners to basically prevent them from offering the Mac Operating System on PCs"
Microsoft acquiring Nokia... That's an interesting thing to ponder. What a horrible predicament it must be for both Microsoft and Nokia - especially Microsoft. They're both cornered and none of the very limited options they have are attractive.
Acquiring Nokia would mean that Microsoft can forget about licensing WP8 to other OEM phone vendors. It'd be do or die with Nokia and it's already close to death. Not acquiring Nokia would mean that the Nokia burning platform would sink into the ocean anyway. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
It's the same thing with what MS is doing with Surface. They made a choice to go it alone and have now royally pissed off their OEM partners. Samsung, for one, has yet another reason to develop their own software platform and ecosystem. They saw Google get Motorola and decided: "Okay, we can't rely on any of these software guys anymore long-term. We're going to have to roll our own."
Apple is pushing the competition to the brink, making them do stuff that was unimaginable only a few years ago. I heartily laugh at the idiots who said that the mobile devices industry is shaping up to be a repeat of the PC wars of the 80's and 90's and that Apple still hasn't learned and will suffer the same fate.
Now there is utter chaos developing in the Android and Windows worlds as their inhabitants claw and fight to avoid the fates of RIM and Nokia. What a sight! Couldn't have happened to a better bunch of companies... This is entertainment at its finest!
Here's Microsoft method of doing business. First they try to screw Apple by practically copying the Mac GUI, but changed it enough to not be caught stealing it.
Microsoft didn't steal anything. One of the first things Steve Jobs did on his return to Apple was to make a licensing agreement with Microsoft for the GUI interface, in exchange for the multi-million dollar cash infusion which saved the company from bankruptcy. It was extremely controversial move at the time.
Microsoft didn't steal anything. One of the first things Steve Jobs did on his return to Apple was to make a licensing agreement with Microsoft for the GUI interface, in exchange for the multi-million dollar cash infusion which saved the company from bankruptcy. It was extremely controversial move at the time.
It would have been controversial if that's what had happened.
Actually, Jobs licensed Microsoft with the rights to use Apple's APIs to make software for the Mac. Unfortunately, bad legal advice made the agreement broader than it was intended to be and the court ruled that it was not actually limited to Mac software.
There is a lot of crying foul over the7.8 issue and non upgrading to 8, but how about credit where credit is due, I would rather have a vendor say "hey, that hardware just cant handle the new stuff" I dont like it but I get it. Apple however makes people with the 3gs beleive that they are going to have IOS 6, when what they are going to have is nothing more than iOS 5 with a diferant and arguabley more limited maps application. Of the 10 features listed on Apples ios 6 landing page, all except the accecibility improvments are explicitly footnoted as not for 3gs, so really if Apple were honestwith customers, they would call it 5.9 and say "its the end of the road for this handset" but of coursethey dont wanna do that and the things will likely get iOS 7 next year too...
That is, of course, nonsense.
First, Apple's upgrades bring lots of new features to older phones. In fact, the number of new features which do NOT work on older phones is usually quite small.
Second, look at the timing. You're talking about iOS 6 features that might not work on a 4 year old phone. This article is about inability to upgrade a brand spanking new phone.
Finally, there's also the 'Android effect'. Even when a phone is capable of handling a newer version of Android, it rarely gets the update - which is why most phones are unable to upgrade to Android 3.0 or 4.0, even if they are physically capable of running it. This article suggests that the same thing will be happening in the Windows Mobile world.
I'm glad I am Apple user. Apple wouldn't release a piece of hardware and then release a new operating system within a year that the hardware won't support. They wait a fair amount of time before they drop support on a hardware product with regards to OS updates. You may not get all of the functionality, but at least you can install it. I think Apple waits somewhere around 2 to 3 years before they drop OS support in terms of updating hardware products. Correct me if I am wrong. I know the Smartphone industry in general has been faster moving than the PC industry due to the very nature of the product, but within a year of releasing a product?
Wow, that's a very blinkered response!
The other way of looking at it is that Microsoft is ensuring that the OS version available for certain devices is designed for those devices, with all features enabled that can be. Apple on the other hand 'tell' people that they're getting iOS4/5/6/..., but in reality it's a cut-down version with a whole host of features removed. As much as everyone loves to hate on Microsoft, they're potentially addressing the upgrade/fragmentation issue in a clearer, more upfront way than Android or iOS (at least older Apple devices can run newer cut-down versions of iOS, unlike the mountain of old Android handsets that can't be upgraded any further due to hardware limitations and networks no longer supporting the old versions). It's a different approach, but I think it's actually a far less damaging one than is being reported by the media.
It's not hard to find posts where he's talking up Nokia and/or talking down Apple's success. Literally 3 minutes from search to post.
Nokia's pricing structure is an indication that their market share will continue to stay at the high levels that they are currently are. Remember, the majority of the worlds population cannot afford a phone with a average selling price of US$600
Most people cannot afford (or do not want to pay) the service plan associated with an iPhone, making this phone (and all of the Nokia phones you can buy unlocked) a major advantage
wow, big market there, I think Apple has more to be worried about than Nokia has.
Asia/Pacific is the market to go for, and another market Apple struggles in, the phones are over priced for the majority of people, and the plans associated with them are either too expensive, or too low for the data caps.
Look at the second link, especially the YoY growth. Huge growth there for the USA compared to the other markets (especially China), Nokia already has a good handle on the practice of providing networks with branded phones (as terrible as the concept is), how is Apple in that arena (well they will drop features as AT&T ask I suppose)
As for iPhone sales, no they are not doing well in Europe, or any other country excluding the US, that is a fact. Appleinsider is a propaganda site, just like macrumors, they are here to say positive things about Apple, and they always have a postive outlook for everything, I wouldn't really trust information from here, particularly sales figures
Also, for most business users, the companies want them to have basic features, the majority don't need data, don't need a fancy interface, don't need installable applications. They need a device that can make phones calls, and receive text messages. They don't like them spending unnecessary money.
I consider the iPhone a failure in the same way i consider Apple screwing up their other products, especially in Europe, they try and continue with an American sales method, which doesn't work here
PS: Only pulled the ones that didn't require quotes from other posters to get context which means I had to leave out a lot of juicy ones.
Yes. That was typical of his posting on this. Just like the leadership of Nokia all the way up to the middle of 2010.
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OK, let's say 'no REAL update'. Just like Android.
The iPad started at iOS 3.2. Then 4.0. Then 5.0. Then the current one (plus some point upgrades in between).
Lumia started at Win 7 and will never make it to 8. The best they can offer is a new skin on a point upgrade.
Even you ought to be able to see the difference.
It's not hard to find posts where he's talking up Nokia and/or talking down Apple's success. Literally 3 minutes from search to post.
PS: Only pulled the ones that didn't require quotes from other posters to get context which means I had to leave out a lot of juicy ones.
I have never said they will never fail. I will admit that I thought Apple would struggle, but I never said Nokia wouldn't fail.
Yes I can see a difference, but you need to be clearer in what you say.
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It's not hard to find posts where he's talking up Nokia and/or talking down Apple's success. Literally 3 minutes from search to post.
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Nokia's pricing structure is an indication that their market share will continue to stay at the high levels that they are currently are. Remember, the majority of the worlds population cannot afford a phone with a average selling price of US$600
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Most people cannot afford (or do not want to pay) the service plan associated with an iPhone, making this phone (and all of the Nokia phones you can buy unlocked) a major advantage
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wow, big market there, I think Apple has more to be worried about than Nokia has.
Asia/Pacific is the market to go for, and another market Apple struggles in, the phones are over priced for the majority of people, and the plans associated with them are either too expensive, or too low for the data caps.
Look at the second link, especially the YoY growth. Huge growth there for the USA compared to the other markets (especially China), Nokia already has a good handle on the practice of providing networks with branded phones (as terrible as the concept is), how is Apple in that arena (well they will drop features as AT&T ask I suppose)
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As for iPhone sales, no they are not doing well in Europe, or any other country excluding the US, that is a fact. Appleinsider is a propaganda site, just like macrumors, they are here to say positive things about Apple, and they always have a postive outlook for everything, I wouldn't really trust information from here, particularly sales figures
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Also, for most business users, the companies want them to have basic features, the majority don't need data, don't need a fancy interface, don't need installable applications. They need a device that can make phones calls, and receive text messages. They don't like them spending unnecessary money.
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I consider the iPhone a failure in the same way i consider Apple screwing up their other products, especially in Europe, they try and continue with an American sales method, which doesn't work here
PS: Only pulled the ones that didn't quotes from other posters to clarify the meaning which I had to leave out a lot of juicy ones.
Ah.... the internet.... I love it.
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I have never said they will never fail. I will admit that I thought Apple would struggle, but I never said Nokia wouldn't fail.
Hoist. Petard. Your own.
Sorry, I must be getting too old, can you translate that?
here we go again, and where did someone say they would never fail?
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Originally Posted by pdq2
Yet every time Microsoft sucker-punches their "partners", (Plays-For-Sure? Whoops! Kin phones? Whoops! Lumia and Win Phone 7.x? Whoops and whoops again), the partners seem content to grab their ankles and say "Thank you sir! May I have another?"
I don't get it. Why do they all put up with this?
Stockholm syndrome?
I agree, it's a real mystery. It should be clear, after around three decades: There are no Microsoft "partners". Only Microsoft victims.
There is a lot of crying foul over the7.8 issue and non upgrading to 8, but how about credit where credit is due, I would rather have a vendor say "hey, that hardware just cant handle the new stuff" I dont like it but I get it. Apple however makes people with the 3gs beleive that they are going to have IOS 6, when what they are going to have is nothing more than iOS 5 with a diferant and arguabley more limited maps application. Of the 10 features listed on Apples ios 6 landing page, all except the accecibility improvments are explicitly footnoted as not for 3gs, so really if Apple were honestwith customers, they would call it 5.9 and say "its the end of the road for this handset" but of coursethey dont wanna do that and the things will likely get iOS 7 next year too...
I agree that we should give credit to MS for actually updating WP7 users to a slightly higher version of WP7 but they are still leaving their WP7 users behind by switching their kernel from WinCE to WinNT. They dropped their WinMo users not to long ago and now they are dropping their WP& users. It's a little gentler but they are still being put out and forgotten about.
Other than having a history of supporting devices for 3 full years which makes it ironic to pooh-pooh now where has Apple made you or anyone else believe that the 3GS will get iOS 6?
To be fair, let's not completely blame Microsoft for screwing the consumers over. It's in both of the companies' business models to focus on selling their core products - MS selling software license and Nokia selling hardware - which unluckily for consumers means getting crappy products.
Ahhh... The Flying Monkey Smurf phones.... Global joke...OEM belly-large wiiner of he year.... And most roundly rejected piece of Micro-Kia junk put on the this year... The Lap-let or top-tab smurf-mo platforms intruded by the Monkey Kingdom announced this week, isn't gonna be built by the Bomber-squadron either... It was announced that a Chinese contract manufacture was gonna actually do the work, with the Moyket mama's minions putting on the logo.....sometimes...
These people are a disgrace to modern tech. Companies today...
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
MS is pulling the rug out from under Windows Phone from now until December. The platform is already floundering. Now there will be even *less* reason for consumers to spend money on it. And what's the point, anyway? If consumers want a cheap, disposable phone that is iPhone-like without it being an iPhone, there's Android. If consumers want the "cool", Premium iPhone experience then they can get an iPhone.
What's the reason to get a Windows Phone? What is the point of this platform? It brings nothing really game-changing or killer to the table.
Because some people actually like different GUI from Palm-esque (or, if you like, Newton-esque) apps in a grid, maybe?
From all the iPhone users I know, I'd say approximately half are not running latest iOS anyway. I know a few still running iOS 3.x. I'm personally running latest iOS on my 3Gs, but since I'm missing on Siri, video editing and what not, I'm not really having iOS 5 experience. I'm also missing Retina display, performance of new hardware (my 3Gs gets choppy every now and then) and cannot run some of the latest games (at least not with acceptable smoothness), so my iOS 5 experience is more theoretical anyway.
WP7.5 users will get updated GUI to provide them with part of WP8 experience. Hardware limitations they cannot overcome anyway, so even with WP8 they would not get faster phone, higher screen resolutions, SD card, near-field-whatever tech... major thing is apps compatibility, but considering that it will take, what? probably a year for WP8 phones to reach numbers of WP7.5 phones in wild, I don't think that any developer will create WP8 app without porting it to (or from) WP7.5 version anyway. Plus I believe MS mentioned somewhere they will make porting/cross-compiling between 7.5 and 8 as easy as possible.
Yes, it will still make developer's life harder. Such is life.
Marketing hype aside... phones like Lumia 900 are as good as they were yesterday, regardless of fact that something better just come out. Prices will go down even more. WP7.5 units could just as well replace remaining Nokia's Symbian offerings on their cheap side, and it's not like current Lumia 900 users overpaid them anyway. If I find myself looking for cheap basic smartphone later this year, I might just as well look at Lumia 900.
In my eyes also, there's a bit of identity crisis with iPhone nowadays. when I god mine back in 2009, there weren't too many of them here in NZ, and it was cool (in a geeky way) having one. But today? It seems to me there are still more iPhones than Androids around here. Getting another iPhone is not really cool anymore. It is just "me too". Coolness requires some exclusivity. iPhone, good as it is, is too much mainstream today. And being good does not automatically mean being cool.
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Originally Posted by drblank
Here's Microsoft method of doing business. First they try to screw Apple by practically copying the Mac GUI, but changed it enough to not be caught stealing it. THEN, they write contracts with their OEM partners to basically prevent them from offering the Mac Operating System on PCs. THEN they now are talking about offering these so-called tablets to prevent their OEM partners from competing in what is unfair business practices because their OEM partners have to PAY Microsoft for the use of their OSs, but Microsoft does't pay a dime for it, plus Microsoft gets a competitive jump on the competition by showing their Windows 8 tablets way ahead of the Windows 8 release date. Now, all of the WIndows 7 phone users can't upgrade to Windows 8 and they just started selling these WIndows 7 phone not too long ago.
What next? So, Microsoft not only tries to screw over their competitors, but their business partners (of which Apple was a business partner) and now they are screwing their OEM partners, customers and everyone that they can think of.
I am surprised Microsoft is still one company and I am surprised if they don't have a flood of lawsuits hitting them.
I'm glad I am Apple user. Apple wouldn't release a piece of hardware and then release a new operating system within a year that the hardware won't support. They wait a fair amount of time before they drop support on a hardware product with regards to OS updates. You may not get all of the functionality, but at least you can install it. I think Apple waits somewhere around 2 to 3 years before they drop OS support in terms of updating hardware products. Correct me if I am wrong. I know the Smartphone industry in general has been faster moving than the PC industry due to the very nature of the product, but within a year of releasing a product?
I lost you at "THEN, they write contracts with their OEM partners to basically prevent them from offering the Mac Operating System on PCs"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_clone
Much as I can see, Apple - especially Jobs - didn't want to go IBM way of cloning.
Microsoft acquiring Nokia... That's an interesting thing to ponder. What a horrible predicament it must be for both Microsoft and Nokia - especially Microsoft. They're both cornered and none of the very limited options they have are attractive.
Acquiring Nokia would mean that Microsoft can forget about licensing WP8 to other OEM phone vendors. It'd be do or die with Nokia and it's already close to death. Not acquiring Nokia would mean that the Nokia burning platform would sink into the ocean anyway. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
It's the same thing with what MS is doing with Surface. They made a choice to go it alone and have now royally pissed off their OEM partners. Samsung, for one, has yet another reason to develop their own software platform and ecosystem. They saw Google get Motorola and decided: "Okay, we can't rely on any of these software guys anymore long-term. We're going to have to roll our own."
Apple is pushing the competition to the brink, making them do stuff that was unimaginable only a few years ago. I heartily laugh at the idiots who said that the mobile devices industry is shaping up to be a repeat of the PC wars of the 80's and 90's and that Apple still hasn't learned and will suffer the same fate.
Now there is utter chaos developing in the Android and Windows worlds as their inhabitants claw and fight to avoid the fates of RIM and Nokia. What a sight! Couldn't have happened to a better bunch of companies... This is entertainment at its finest!
Microsoft didn't steal anything. One of the first things Steve Jobs did on his return to Apple was to make a licensing agreement with Microsoft for the GUI interface, in exchange for the multi-million dollar cash infusion which saved the company from bankruptcy. It was extremely controversial move at the time.
It would have been controversial if that's what had happened.
Actually, Jobs licensed Microsoft with the rights to use Apple's APIs to make software for the Mac. Unfortunately, bad legal advice made the agreement broader than it was intended to be and the court ruled that it was not actually limited to Mac software.
That is, of course, nonsense.
First, Apple's upgrades bring lots of new features to older phones. In fact, the number of new features which do NOT work on older phones is usually quite small.
Second, look at the timing. You're talking about iOS 6 features that might not work on a 4 year old phone. This article is about inability to upgrade a brand spanking new phone.
Finally, there's also the 'Android effect'. Even when a phone is capable of handling a newer version of Android, it rarely gets the update - which is why most phones are unable to upgrade to Android 3.0 or 4.0, even if they are physically capable of running it. This article suggests that the same thing will be happening in the Windows Mobile world.
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Originally Posted by drblank
I'm glad I am Apple user. Apple wouldn't release a piece of hardware and then release a new operating system within a year that the hardware won't support. They wait a fair amount of time before they drop support on a hardware product with regards to OS updates. You may not get all of the functionality, but at least you can install it. I think Apple waits somewhere around 2 to 3 years before they drop OS support in terms of updating hardware products. Correct me if I am wrong. I know the Smartphone industry in general has been faster moving than the PC industry due to the very nature of the product, but within a year of releasing a product?
Wow, that's a very blinkered response!
The other way of looking at it is that Microsoft is ensuring that the OS version available for certain devices is designed for those devices, with all features enabled that can be. Apple on the other hand 'tell' people that they're getting iOS4/5/6/..., but in reality it's a cut-down version with a whole host of features removed. As much as everyone loves to hate on Microsoft, they're potentially addressing the upgrade/fragmentation issue in a clearer, more upfront way than Android or iOS (at least older Apple devices can run newer cut-down versions of iOS, unlike the mountain of old Android handsets that can't be upgraded any further due to hardware limitations and networks no longer supporting the old versions). It's a different approach, but I think it's actually a far less damaging one than is being reported by the media.
Yes. That was typical of his posting on this. Just like the leadership of Nokia all the way up to the middle of 2010.