I have never said they will never fail. I will admit that I thought Apple would struggle, but I never said Nokia wouldn't fail.
Sol's selections from your posting, and I've got some saved as well, shows your opinions clearly. You don't have to say that you don't think a company will ever fail, or will never fail, when you're saying that they will continue being number one. That's an assumption that in the foreseeable future, not only will they not fail, but will continue being on the top.
Right now they are jetting to the bottom, and failing is now on the agenda.
And, of course, as I said before, "never" is a foolish word to use. There are other ways of hinting it, in a deniable way.
Just face it. You were wrong. Nokia s reed up badly, and Apple's strategy is correct.
Because some people actually like different GUI from Palm-esque (or, if you like, Newton-esque) apps in a grid, maybe?
From all the iPhone users I know, I'd say approximately half are not running latest iOS anyway. I know a few still running iOS 3.x. I'm personally running latest iOS on my 3Gs, but since I'm missing on Siri, video editing and what not, I'm not really having iOS 5 experience. I'm also missing Retina display, performance of new hardware (my 3Gs gets choppy every now and then) and cannot run some of the latest games (at least not with acceptable smoothness), so my iOS 5 experience is more theoretical anyway.
WP7.5 users will get updated GUI to provide them with part of WP8 experience. Hardware limitations they cannot overcome anyway, so even with WP8 they would not get faster phone, higher screen resolutions, SD card, near-field-whatever tech... major thing is apps compatibility, but considering that it will take, what? probably a year for WP8 phones to reach numbers of WP7.5 phones in wild, I don't think that any developer will create WP8 app without porting it to (or from) WP7.5 version anyway. Plus I believe MS mentioned somewhere they will make porting/cross-compiling between 7.5 and 8 as easy as possible.
Yes, it will still make developer's life harder. Such is life.
Marketing hype aside... phones like Lumia 900 are as good as they were yesterday, regardless of fact that something better just come out. Prices will go down even more. WP7.5 units could just as well replace remaining Nokia's Symbian offerings on their cheap side, and it's not like current Lumia 900 users overpaid them anyway. If I find myself looking for cheap basic smartphone later this year, I might just as well look at Lumia 900.
In my eyes also, there's a bit of identity crisis with iPhone nowadays. when I god mine back in 2009, there weren't too many of them here in NZ, and it was cool (in a geeky way) having one. But today? It seems to me there are still more iPhones than Androids around here. Getting another iPhone is not really cool anymore. It is just "me too". Coolness requires some exclusivity. iPhone, good as it is, is too much mainstream today. And being good does not automatically mean being cool.
Then you know a backwards crowd, because we know that at least 80% are.
Microsoft didn't steal anything. One of the first things Steve Jobs did on his return to Apple was to make a licensing agreement with Microsoft for the GUI interface, in exchange for the multi-million dollar cash infusion which saved the company from bankruptcy. It was extremely controversial move at the time.
Actually, no. What happened years before, was that Apple licensed the ability to use certain elements of Mac OS to developers, including Microsoft. Microsoft decided to take it and use it in Windows, as a replacement for what they were doing in Windows 1 and 2.
The problem for Apple was that when the contracts were written out, they were too vague. The courts decided that because of their unintentional vagueness, Microsoft was allowed to use the features in Windows.
You don't know what you're talking about at all here.
The agreements Apple and Microsoft made had to to with Microsoft using QuickTime code in their OS, and in WMP. Microsoft had farmed this out to a third party, who glommed Apple's code. Without this code, Windows wasn't able to play video without stuttering. Apple found out, and threatened to sue. This would have been an open and shut case. But Apple decided to negotiate with Microsoft instead.
What resulted was an agreement to write Office for the Mac for 5 years. To invest $150 million in non voting stock. For Bill Gates to make that infamous video appearance at Macworld. And, possibly most importantly, for a wide ranging patent cross licensing agreement that's still in force.
That's the facts, and you can look them up instead of making things up.
Wow, that's a very blinkered response!
The other way of looking at it is that Microsoft is ensuring that the OS version available for certain devices is designed for those devices, with all features enabled that can be. Apple on the other hand 'tell' people that they're getting iOS4/5/6/..., but in reality it's a cut-down version with a whole host of features removed. As much as everyone loves to hate on Microsoft, they're potentially addressing the upgrade/fragmentation issue in a clearer, more upfront way than Android or iOS (at least older Apple devices can run newer cut-down versions of iOS, unlike the mountain of old Android handsets that can't be upgraded any further due to hardware limitations and networks no longer supporting the old versions). It's a different approach, but I think it's actually a far less damaging one than is being reported by the media.
What he's saying is pretty much true though. You guys are trying to make something out of nothing here by comparing old phones to current ones. Apple has addressed the upgrade "problem" better than anyone else in the industry. Pretending otherwise is just fatuous.
Google has screwed things up because they knew that if they didn't allow control to the manufacturers and carriers, no one would build Android phones. So they have a major, and continuing problem.
Microsoft needed to move away from Win Mobile as quickly as possible, once they belatedly realized that they were wrong about it and the iPhone.
But they had nothing to replace it with, so they just updated CE to rev 3, and added a new UI from the Zune, which was all they had available. They changed the programming model a bit from what the Zune had, and Boom! A new OS, sorta.
But they knew that it wasn't competitive with the Linux based Android, and the Unix based iOS. But it takes years to come up with a really new system, even one based on something else. So it took years for Microsoft to come up with WP8. But that's totally different from WP7. Since the new phones will be much more powerful than the old, now obsolete models, they can run the fairly simple apps the old models have.
But the old phones can't run WP8. Ok, so that's obvious. Microsoft had no choice here, as I keep saying. But that doesn't change the fact that it's crappy for the people who have bought WP7 phones. The ones who bought them over a year ago, will probable get some discount for a new one. Those who bought them in late 2010 will be eligible for a new one at whatever cost they would be paying anyway. So far so good.
But those who have been buying phones less than a year from the time the new ones will be out will be entitled to no discount at all. They will have to pay full price. To pretend to yourself that this is equivelant to what Apple does is dreaming.
But, I still think that Microsoft might do something here. They seem to love throwing away large amounts of cash. So it's possible, for the publicity, that they might offer a discount to those who bought phones too late to get one. Possibly, if they're in a really good mood, they will give everyone who bought a phone on a plan, the amount they would have to pay on that plan to get a new phone. That could be anyrhing from nothing to maybe $300.
This would cost them several hundred million to a billion, or so. They can afford it. They are losing about $3.5 billion a year on Bing, why not a bit more to satisfy customers. And heck, they lost over $8 billion over the years on the Xbox, and are losing money on it now. So if the phone is so important to them, they shouldn't balk at losing some more to make customers happy.
The other thing that folks seem to be forgetting or glossing over is that when Apple updates and older devices don't get all the features, they STILL get to run the new apps coming out unless some new hardware feature is required. The Lumia 900, which was announced in January but only hit the shelves (in the U.S.) in April will not be able to run newly developed apps because the core is changing. That is very different than what happens on Apple devices. What makes it worse is that the app market for WP 7.x was still developing, it wasn't mature yet. There were many app categories that hadn't been filled out yet, and now they likely never will. This is also a problem that Apple device owners generally don't face during upgrades because the app market for iOS is really pretty well flashed out/developed.
To those who say that WP 7.x is crap - I suspect they haven't tried/used one for any real period of time. There are many things about it that aren't up to the same level as iOS, but it is far from crap. There are a few items that it even does better than iOS (like eMail, for example).
I think many WP 7.x users, while not expecting a full WP 8 upgrade, were hoping that at least the core would be ported so that they could continue to use new apps going forward, but that isn't going to be the case and for WP users that sucks.
Sol's selections from your posting, and I've got some saved as well, shows your opinions clearly. You don't have to say that you don't think a company will ever fail, or will never fail, when you're saying that they will continue being number one. That's an assumption that in the foreseeable future, not only will they not fail, but will continue being on the top.
Wow, you save copies of postings, that's a little sad.
But in saying that, please post where I said Nokia would never fail, I don't recall ever saying it, no one has yet posted a quote of me saying it, so if you have one, please post it.
Right now they are jetting to the bottom, and failing is now on the agenda.
And, of course, as I said before, "never" is a foolish word to use. There are other ways of hinting it, in a deniable way.
Just face it. You were wrong. Nokia s reed up badly, and Apple's strategy is correct.
I was not wrong regarding this thread, I never posted what you claim, you also claim you have copies yet can't produce one saying that. You can continue your AI viewpoint of changing the rules half way through a discussion but once again that is a fail, please produce a quote that I said Nokia would never fail.
Yes. That was typical of his posting on this. Just like the leadership of Nokia all the way up to the middle of 2010.
Quoting some posts that have nothing to the claim doesn't help anyones claims, it just makes you look foolish, why don't you get back to the original claim, when did I ever claim that Nokia would never fail?
I'm glad I am Apple user. Apple wouldn't release a piece of hardware and then release a new operating system within a year that the hardware won't support.
Mac Mini was released in January 2005, Tiger was released April 2005 which contain QI features that the Mac Mini didn't support
When you buy an Apple device, you know that you will be set for at least some years ahead, receiving new OS updates in a timely fashion and keeping your devices up to date.
With these other companies, and especially Android phones, the manufacturers just don't give a shit. They make a million models a year, and after some sorry suckers buy them, these people are basically screwed. This is why the vast majority of Android users are still stuck on some old, ancient, shitty version of Android. Only a very tiny percentage of users actually use the newest, latest, OS. They keep flinging shit to a wall, to see what sticksMind you,
Mind you, some of those OS updates made it worst on older phones, and Appl didn't care to let people to downgrade back to previous OS. And those that worked reasonably fine were missing major upgrade features anyway.
Why Siri cannot work on 3Gs? The whole voice recognition/answer generator happens on server side, right?
Hello everyone - I have been following this topic and joined to tell you what I think.
A bit about me: I wouldn't consider myself a rabid fan of any one particular OS; I tend to dabble in them all. I have an iPod Touch 64Gb for music, ebooks and a few apps; I also have a Shuffle. I own a Sony Xperia Arc S, (it was surprisingly easy to update to ICS a few months ago) a Blackberry Playbook, (it was cheap but nice hardware) and recently I bought a Nokia Lumia 710. In the past I'd owned many symbian Nokias - from the 6630 in 2005, the N95 8Gb and the 5800.
I bought the 710 as a cheap, beater phone - they were practically giving them away - £99 unlocked with free £20 apps, free Monster iems, free 6 month Zune pass etc. Insert microSim of my choice and away I go on my Windows Phone adventure. But......
.....the 710 is a P.O.S. The 101-reasons-not-to-buy-a-Windows-Phone doesn't even cover it. Most annoying is the lack of Blutooth file transfer, the ear-shattering volume of getting an SMS whilst on a voice call, my voice call being terminated whenever I get an alert ie a calendar reminder or a BBC breaking news notification etc. The music player is garbage, with no EQ settings and is just a confusing mess with no clear indications of which one of those oversized Zune words I should be pressing just to play an album or a song. Playlists? An incredibly long, cumbersome method of creating them on the phone itself - the complete opposite of the simplicity of the music player on the Touch.
Still, at least I can't complain that I got burned too badly moneywise - the phone is like a poor Beta version of what it should be (and not even worth £99).
Nokia will go bankrupt soon - this year or next at the latest. I tend to think the entire BOD is corrupt in appointing and supporting Elop in his bizarre decisions to publicly rubbish symbian, (which was still profitable) strangle their own in-house OS while it was still in the crib, and get into bed with Microsoft.
The decision to announce the 900 in the US in April, supported by a massive, expensive campaign of promotion is duplicitous in the extreme.
Wow, you save copies of postings, that's a little sad.
But in saying that, please post where I said Nokia would never fail, I don't recall ever saying it, no one has yet posted a quote of me saying it, so if you have one, please post it.
I was not wrong regarding this thread, I never posted what you claim, you also claim you have copies yet can't produce one saying that. You can continue your AI viewpoint of changing the rules half way through a discussion but once again that is a fail, please produce a quote that I said Nokia would never fail.
My gosh, you really are acting like a loser here. Wow! So concerned that people save some posts.
I don't save posts of what you write, so please don't thnk they you are so important. Sometimes, if I write something I want to remember, and perhaps may want to refer to sometime later, I will save MY post. That involves the other person's part of the post as well. I suppose you never write anything you might want to use later for anything. That's fine. If I posted what you do, I wouldn't want to remember it later either.
You are also not very good at understanding what people write. Did I not say several times that I haven't accused you of saying that Nokia will NEVER fail? Yes I did. I did say, which has already been confirmed in Sol's posting things you've said, that you were convinced that Apple could not take significant share from Nokia, or that they would drop in their own sales significantly as a result.
We know that you were wrong in all the points you were posting about. Isn't that enough for you? You seem to be obsessed now with one word. A word of no significance at all. The truth is that you were totally wrong about everything you said about Nokia in those says.
Why don't you just man up to it and get it over with. Then we can continue with our discussion of why Nokia is failing these days.
Oh, and it's foolish to challenge me to show a post that I've saved. What dopes that accomplish for you, more embarrassment? sol has already done that, I don't have to bother.
Quoting some posts that have nothing to the claim doesn't help anyones claims, it just makes you look foolish, why don't you get back to the original claim, when did I ever claim that Nokia would never fail?
Sol's posts were to the point exactly. You've been denying a lot of things. He simply showed that you are wrong in your denials. Just admit it and move on.
While Nokia's woes may worsen or get better, it isn't going to be related to the Windows 8/7.8 thing. Most people out there are idiots on technical matters. The Microsoft App store will still show them the 100,000 currently available apps for their phone. The future apps that aren't 7.8 compatible it will exclude from their store or inform them it isn't available. The person using the older phone won't question it too much and no doubt their carrier in the U.S. will be informing them that their whole 20 month old phone ought to be chucked for something new anyway.
On some phone sites, they have said the issue with Windows 8 and current phones isn't about hardware because Nokia has already been working with Microsoft to lower the hardware requirements of Windows Phone and will continue to do so. The issue is that Windows 8 is so different that you cannot flash it onto a currently running phone in any safe and manageable manner without wiping the phone. 95% of the people out there won't and don't care, just like they don't upgrade their storage or their RAM. The five percent that do care will likely enjoy buying the used phones on the cheap, flashing them and either using them or reselling them as Windows 8 phones. Microsoft and Nokia didn't want to have some chunk of their customer base come into vendor stores and end up paying their staff to save, wipe, flash Windows 8 and then get their info back onto the phone. The Lumia 710 available through Tmobile as an example is barely selling for over $200 OFF CONTRACT. There can't be a ton of profit margin there to give away paying support staff to spend time flashing phones.
Android has proven the issue of leaving phones behind in terms of OS. Even Apple has no problem leaving major features off good chunks of their phones that clearly can handle and run them. When the phone subsidy model stops working in the U.S. perhaps people will start to care and actually want phones and service that lasts instead of basically throwaway $400-600 phones but for now they don't care. They just sign up for a new phone and agree to a new contract for bills that are increasingly looking as large as compact car payments.
You are also not very good at understanding what people write. Did I not say several times that I haven't accused you of saying that Nokia will NEVER fail?
If you know I didn't say it, then why are you going on about it. I have already said I didn't think Apple would do as well as they did, I said this before you jumped in on your personal attack band wagon. Stop attacking me for no reason, well except for the self gratification it seems to give you
Sol's posts were to the point exactly. You've been denying a lot of things. He simply showed that you are wrong in your denials. Just admit it and move on.
Actually no, his post did nothing. In fact a lot of Nokias problems have been caused by Android based phones (they have been the ones attacking the lower end phones). I won't admit something I haven't done.
Hmm, personal insult?
If you know I didn't say it, then why are you going on about it. I have already said I didn't think Apple would do as well as they did, I said this before you jumped in on your personal attack band wagon. Stop attacking me for no reason, well except for the self gratification it seems to give you
You're the one going on about it. We're just responding to your posts.
Actually no, his post did nothing. In fact a lot of Nokias problems have been caused by Android based phones (they have been the ones attacking the lower end phones). I won't admit something I haven't done.
Unfortunately, bad legal advice made the agreement broader than it was intended to be and the court ruled that it was not actually limited to Mac software.
It seems that Apple's legal department has been letting the company down for quite some time. In another thread, we learned that Apple is facing a ban on the iPad and the iPhone in the US due to a legal failure dealing with Motorola.
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Sol's selections from your posting, and I've got some saved as well, shows your opinions clearly. You don't have to say that you don't think a company will ever fail, or will never fail, when you're saying that they will continue being number one. That's an assumption that in the foreseeable future, not only will they not fail, but will continue being on the top.
Right now they are jetting to the bottom, and failing is now on the agenda.
And, of course, as I said before, "never" is a foolish word to use. There are other ways of hinting it, in a deniable way.
Just face it. You were wrong. Nokia s reed up badly, and Apple's strategy is correct.
Then you know a backwards crowd, because we know that at least 80% are.
Actually, no. What happened years before, was that Apple licensed the ability to use certain elements of Mac OS to developers, including Microsoft. Microsoft decided to take it and use it in Windows, as a replacement for what they were doing in Windows 1 and 2.
The problem for Apple was that when the contracts were written out, they were too vague. The courts decided that because of their unintentional vagueness, Microsoft was allowed to use the features in Windows.
You don't know what you're talking about at all here.
The agreements Apple and Microsoft made had to to with Microsoft using QuickTime code in their OS, and in WMP. Microsoft had farmed this out to a third party, who glommed Apple's code. Without this code, Windows wasn't able to play video without stuttering. Apple found out, and threatened to sue. This would have been an open and shut case. But Apple decided to negotiate with Microsoft instead.
What resulted was an agreement to write Office for the Mac for 5 years. To invest $150 million in non voting stock. For Bill Gates to make that infamous video appearance at Macworld. And, possibly most importantly, for a wide ranging patent cross licensing agreement that's still in force.
That's the facts, and you can look them up instead of making things up.
What he's saying is pretty much true though. You guys are trying to make something out of nothing here by comparing old phones to current ones. Apple has addressed the upgrade "problem" better than anyone else in the industry. Pretending otherwise is just fatuous.
Google has screwed things up because they knew that if they didn't allow control to the manufacturers and carriers, no one would build Android phones. So they have a major, and continuing problem.
Microsoft needed to move away from Win Mobile as quickly as possible, once they belatedly realized that they were wrong about it and the iPhone.
But they had nothing to replace it with, so they just updated CE to rev 3, and added a new UI from the Zune, which was all they had available. They changed the programming model a bit from what the Zune had, and Boom! A new OS, sorta.
But they knew that it wasn't competitive with the Linux based Android, and the Unix based iOS. But it takes years to come up with a really new system, even one based on something else. So it took years for Microsoft to come up with WP8. But that's totally different from WP7. Since the new phones will be much more powerful than the old, now obsolete models, they can run the fairly simple apps the old models have.
But the old phones can't run WP8. Ok, so that's obvious. Microsoft had no choice here, as I keep saying. But that doesn't change the fact that it's crappy for the people who have bought WP7 phones. The ones who bought them over a year ago, will probable get some discount for a new one. Those who bought them in late 2010 will be eligible for a new one at whatever cost they would be paying anyway. So far so good.
But those who have been buying phones less than a year from the time the new ones will be out will be entitled to no discount at all. They will have to pay full price. To pretend to yourself that this is equivelant to what Apple does is dreaming.
But, I still think that Microsoft might do something here. They seem to love throwing away large amounts of cash. So it's possible, for the publicity, that they might offer a discount to those who bought phones too late to get one. Possibly, if they're in a really good mood, they will give everyone who bought a phone on a plan, the amount they would have to pay on that plan to get a new phone. That could be anyrhing from nothing to maybe $300.
This would cost them several hundred million to a billion, or so. They can afford it. They are losing about $3.5 billion a year on Bing, why not a bit more to satisfy customers. And heck, they lost over $8 billion over the years on the Xbox, and are losing money on it now. So if the phone is so important to them, they shouldn't balk at losing some more to make customers happy.
No worries, they'll release the Lumina "909" to solve that problem. Nothing you can do about those who own a 900 though.
The other thing that folks seem to be forgetting or glossing over is that when Apple updates and older devices don't get all the features, they STILL get to run the new apps coming out unless some new hardware feature is required. The Lumia 900, which was announced in January but only hit the shelves (in the U.S.) in April will not be able to run newly developed apps because the core is changing. That is very different than what happens on Apple devices. What makes it worse is that the app market for WP 7.x was still developing, it wasn't mature yet. There were many app categories that hadn't been filled out yet, and now they likely never will. This is also a problem that Apple device owners generally don't face during upgrades because the app market for iOS is really pretty well flashed out/developed.
To those who say that WP 7.x is crap - I suspect they haven't tried/used one for any real period of time. There are many things about it that aren't up to the same level as iOS, but it is far from crap. There are a few items that it even does better than iOS (like eMail, for example).
I think many WP 7.x users, while not expecting a full WP 8 upgrade, were hoping that at least the core would be ported so that they could continue to use new apps going forward, but that isn't going to be the case and for WP users that sucks.
Wow, you save copies of postings, that's a little sad.
But in saying that, please post where I said Nokia would never fail, I don't recall ever saying it, no one has yet posted a quote of me saying it, so if you have one, please post it.
I was not wrong regarding this thread, I never posted what you claim, you also claim you have copies yet can't produce one saying that. You can continue your AI viewpoint of changing the rules half way through a discussion but once again that is a fail, please produce a quote that I said Nokia would never fail.
Quoting some posts that have nothing to the claim doesn't help anyones claims, it just makes you look foolish, why don't you get back to the original claim, when did I ever claim that Nokia would never fail?
Mac Mini was released in January 2005, Tiger was released April 2005 which contain QI features that the Mac Mini didn't support
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When you buy an Apple device, you know that you will be set for at least some years ahead, receiving new OS updates in a timely fashion and keeping your devices up to date.
With these other companies, and especially Android phones, the manufacturers just don't give a shit. They make a million models a year, and after some sorry suckers buy them, these people are basically screwed. This is why the vast majority of Android users are still stuck on some old, ancient, shitty version of Android. Only a very tiny percentage of users actually use the newest, latest, OS. They keep flinging shit to a wall, to see what sticksMind you,
Mind you, some of those OS updates made it worst on older phones, and Appl didn't care to let people to downgrade back to previous OS. And those that worked reasonably fine were missing major upgrade features anyway.
Why Siri cannot work on 3Gs? The whole voice recognition/answer generator happens on server side, right?
Hello everyone - I have been following this topic and joined to tell you what I think.
A bit about me: I wouldn't consider myself a rabid fan of any one particular OS; I tend to dabble in them all. I have an iPod Touch 64Gb for music, ebooks and a few apps; I also have a Shuffle. I own a Sony Xperia Arc S, (it was surprisingly easy to update to ICS a few months ago) a Blackberry Playbook, (it was cheap but nice hardware) and recently I bought a Nokia Lumia 710. In the past I'd owned many symbian Nokias - from the 6630 in 2005, the N95 8Gb and the 5800.
I bought the 710 as a cheap, beater phone - they were practically giving them away - £99 unlocked with free £20 apps, free Monster iems, free 6 month Zune pass etc. Insert microSim of my choice and away I go on my Windows Phone adventure. But......
.....the 710 is a P.O.S. The 101-reasons-not-to-buy-a-Windows-Phone doesn't even cover it. Most annoying is the lack of Blutooth file transfer, the ear-shattering volume of getting an SMS whilst on a voice call, my voice call being terminated whenever I get an alert ie a calendar reminder or a BBC breaking news notification etc. The music player is garbage, with no EQ settings and is just a confusing mess with no clear indications of which one of those oversized Zune words I should be pressing just to play an album or a song. Playlists? An incredibly long, cumbersome method of creating them on the phone itself - the complete opposite of the simplicity of the music player on the Touch.
Still, at least I can't complain that I got burned too badly moneywise - the phone is like a poor Beta version of what it should be (and not even worth £99).
Nokia will go bankrupt soon - this year or next at the latest. I tend to think the entire BOD is corrupt in appointing and supporting Elop in his bizarre decisions to publicly rubbish symbian, (which was still profitable) strangle their own in-house OS while it was still in the crib, and get into bed with Microsoft.
The decision to announce the 900 in the US in April, supported by a massive, expensive campaign of promotion is duplicitous in the extreme.
Shame on Elop and the BOD.
My gosh, you really are acting like a loser here. Wow! So concerned that people save some posts.
I don't save posts of what you write, so please don't thnk they you are so important. Sometimes, if I write something I want to remember, and perhaps may want to refer to sometime later, I will save MY post. That involves the other person's part of the post as well. I suppose you never write anything you might want to use later for anything. That's fine. If I posted what you do, I wouldn't want to remember it later either.
You are also not very good at understanding what people write. Did I not say several times that I haven't accused you of saying that Nokia will NEVER fail? Yes I did. I did say, which has already been confirmed in Sol's posting things you've said, that you were convinced that Apple could not take significant share from Nokia, or that they would drop in their own sales significantly as a result.
We know that you were wrong in all the points you were posting about. Isn't that enough for you? You seem to be obsessed now with one word. A word of no significance at all. The truth is that you were totally wrong about everything you said about Nokia in those says.
Why don't you just man up to it and get it over with. Then we can continue with our discussion of why Nokia is failing these days.
Oh, and it's foolish to challenge me to show a post that I've saved. What dopes that accomplish for you, more embarrassment? sol has already done that, I don't have to bother.
Sol's posts were to the point exactly. You've been denying a lot of things. He simply showed that you are wrong in your denials. Just admit it and move on.
While Nokia's woes may worsen or get better, it isn't going to be related to the Windows 8/7.8 thing. Most people out there are idiots on technical matters. The Microsoft App store will still show them the 100,000 currently available apps for their phone. The future apps that aren't 7.8 compatible it will exclude from their store or inform them it isn't available. The person using the older phone won't question it too much and no doubt their carrier in the U.S. will be informing them that their whole 20 month old phone ought to be chucked for something new anyway.
On some phone sites, they have said the issue with Windows 8 and current phones isn't about hardware because Nokia has already been working with Microsoft to lower the hardware requirements of Windows Phone and will continue to do so. The issue is that Windows 8 is so different that you cannot flash it onto a currently running phone in any safe and manageable manner without wiping the phone. 95% of the people out there won't and don't care, just like they don't upgrade their storage or their RAM. The five percent that do care will likely enjoy buying the used phones on the cheap, flashing them and either using them or reselling them as Windows 8 phones. Microsoft and Nokia didn't want to have some chunk of their customer base come into vendor stores and end up paying their staff to save, wipe, flash Windows 8 and then get their info back onto the phone. The Lumia 710 available through Tmobile as an example is barely selling for over $200 OFF CONTRACT. There can't be a ton of profit margin there to give away paying support staff to spend time flashing phones.
Android has proven the issue of leaving phones behind in terms of OS. Even Apple has no problem leaving major features off good chunks of their phones that clearly can handle and run them. When the phone subsidy model stops working in the U.S. perhaps people will start to care and actually want phones and service that lasts instead of basically throwaway $400-600 phones but for now they don't care. They just sign up for a new phone and agree to a new contract for bills that are increasingly looking as large as compact car payments.
Hmm, personal insult?
If you know I didn't say it, then why are you going on about it. I have already said I didn't think Apple would do as well as they did, I said this before you jumped in on your personal attack band wagon. Stop attacking me for no reason, well except for the self gratification it seems to give you
Actually no, his post did nothing. In fact a lot of Nokias problems have been caused by Android based phones (they have been the ones attacking the lower end phones). I won't admit something I haven't done.
You're the one going on about it. We're just responding to your posts.
Sure.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Unfortunately, bad legal advice made the agreement broader than it was intended to be and the court ruled that it was not actually limited to Mac software.
It seems that Apple's legal department has been letting the company down for quite some time. In another thread, we learned that Apple is facing a ban on the iPad and the iPhone in the US due to a legal failure dealing with Motorola.
Here we go again, I am only going on about anything because of what you started