The 3GS is still a smart phone. It can do 90 percent or more of what the other models can do. It should be included int he numbers.
You may need to go back and read what they wrote, they said Apple sold 27m premium phones, the iPhone 3GS is not a premium phone, is it is budget phone. It is in the same class as the cheap Android phones people go on about
So you don't think there's a problem with giving a product a name that has nothing to do with the product? You'd be fine with Apple releasing a purple laptop and calling it the "WinScribe Blue"?
Touch it twice.
Ahhh...there you go! Good boy! You just bought a iPhone 4S...we knew you could do it! Don't you just love Siri? That is the lastest iPhone be released...so onto iPhone 5 :-)
Ahhh...there you go! Good boy! You just bought a iPhone 4S...we knew you could do it! Don't you just love Siri? That is the lastest iPhone be released...so onto iPhone 5 :-)
It's pathetic to see that when proven wrong you still think you were right in any capacity, even going so far as pretend I'm a toddler despite not knowing how grammar works.
How many iPhones have come out since 2007? Please say six.
Europe and Asia? The Samsung Galaxy SIII is incredibly popular in the UK.
The amount of butthurt in this thread is hilarious. Go check Samsung's quarterly reports - they're making a lot of money at the moment. It's pretty obvious that they're not stuffing the channel.
Check the some of other Samsung phones, the ones outselling the GS III by over 4 to 1.
No, Sherlock. If they are merely "shipping" and not "selling", there would be no profit at all. Samsung's balance sheet would look more like LG's (or Sony's for that matter).
Of Samsung Electronics' four main divisions, only semiconductor and mobile divisions are making 10+% profit.
Apple 8.8 Billion
Samsung 5.9 Billion
So shipped = sold for Samsung.
RIM on the other hand had to take a lost for products like the playbook.
Exactly. Apple sold 27 M premium phones. Samsung sold 52 M phones of all types - everything from high end phones to midrange phones to idiot phones and even feature phones.
Apparently you can't even get past the second word in the title of the article without getting confused. The article clearly states that these numbers are for the 'smartphone' market...not ALL phones.
It's pathetic to see that when proven wrong you still think you were right in any capacity, even going so far as pretend I'm a toddler despite not knowing how grammar works.
How many iPhones have come out since 2007? Please say six.
lol......so what was the latest iPhone called? Surely it was the iPhone 6???? Oh wait no it is called the iPhone 4S!!!! So what naming scheme has Apple followed you ask? Well let me explain that to you...so far they have followed iPhone 3G, then iPhone 3Gs, then iPhone 4...then the latest one is the iPhone 4S with Siri...you know the one you just bought in the picture. So nowhere do you see any kind of naming scheme based on the generation or iteration of the phone.....But Apple could very well just call the next iPhone just "iPhone" kind of like they have done with the iPad.
Apple reports the sale at the time of shipment, ie they have sold it to a subsidy, an end customer, or a distributor. In reality, how is this different to the others?
If you don't understand the basics of revenue recognition -- and the seriousness that it entails by way of penalties for misrepresentation -- and the difference between that and the weasel-y notion of some consultant-generated "shipments" number, I am not even going to try to start. There is no law that says that you can't wallow in ignorance.
I will give you a hint though, if you're truly interested in learning: you want to combine the audited sales data with the "channel inventory" number that Apple always reports (or brings up in its conf call with analysts) to get at how many are actually in consumers' hands.
Can you please post a reference from Apple specifing the number of iPhones sold per model? The iPhone 3GS is not a premium phone, yet you seem to be including the sales of it in your numbers
I can tell you exactly what average price each of the 26.03M iPhones was sold at. It's a pretty impressive number: $624 per handset (p. 26 of 10Q filed with SEC from Tuesday).
I can assure you that if 3GSs were being given away and in large numbers (as you imply), the 4 and 4S must be selling for some astounding average price! But I am quite content with $624 per handset.
BTW AI, have you thought about doing some investigative journalism on these fantastical claims by Samsung/Google? I work at a major airport in Florida and when running a simple network scan on the free Wi-Fi service, it invariably shows about 90% connections from Apple devices vice anything else. Where are all these Android phones hiding?
We did the same thing on my summer trip to disney resorts. About 80% of the devices connected to the wifi were apple devices (including laptops/tablets/phones, ...). But remember most of the Android devices are being sold outside north america. Apple does have a good ratio in the US.
I did saw android devices "in the wild". On my floor at work, 40% of the staff is carrying Samsung phones and the other 40% are iphones. 20% are something else.
The iOS app to scan public networks is FING. I think its free, so enjoy.
Samsung is very popular in "third-world countries", where they are sold at ridiculous prices, nowhere near what they sell for in the "developed countries". Samsung probably has to sell 2 or 3 phones for every iPhone sold (when these are available -- a lot of African countries for example, don't have iPhone stores) because the plastic-crap that Samsung makes are not very durable and don't last very long, so replacements/upgrades are common place.
A lot of posters have already pointed out that Apple sells, everyone else ships...
A new estimate pegs Samsung's smartphone shipments for the second quarter of calendar 2012 at 52.1 million, which would be twice the 26 million iPhones Apple sold during the same period.
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Apple announced in its quarterly earnings report on Tuesday that it sold 26 million iPhones in the June quarter, representing 28 percent unit growth year over year. Investors expected Apple would have sold closer to 28 million iPhones during the quarter, and viewed the result as a disappointment.
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While Samsung is estimated to have taken the lead in smartphone shipments, Apple still remains undisputed in terms of profitability. In the June quarter, Apple saw its third-quarter profits reach $8.8 billion, driven largely by the iPhone, while Samsung saw company-wide profits of $5.9 billion during the same period.
Samsung gives away a phone with everyone sold. BOGO. Or they are free. Yea, Market share means mostly nothing. Nokia still ships more phones than samsung but they lost a BILLION dollars last year.
Apple makes more profit from Smart phone sales than the rest of the market combined. Profit, that thing that pays for R+D, etc.
Just a thought here but Market share only means anything if everyone is selling the same oranges. But I will give you that Samsung is slowly trying to make better phones.
I can tell you exactly what average price each of the 26.03M iPhones was sold at. It's a pretty impressive number: $624 per handset (p. 26 of 10Q filed with SEC from Tuesday).
I can assure you that if 3GSs were being given away and in large numbers (as you imply), the 4 and 4S must be selling for some astounding average price! But I am quite content with $624 per handset.
You are overstating the average handset price. The 10Q clearly lists 'iPhone revenue' as the following:
Includes revenue from sales of iPhone, iPhone services, and Apple-branded and third-party iPhone accessories.
Includes amortization of related revenue deferred for non-software services and embedded software upgrade rights.
It is $624 on average per handset when factoring in ALL of these other items, not just the handset.
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Originally Posted by NYCMacFan
The S3 is a great phone (weaker iOS, but still great phone).
I am confused as to what is great about it. It is made out of cheap plastics.
You may need to go back and read what they wrote, they said Apple sold 27m premium phones, the iPhone 3GS is not a premium phone, is it is budget phone. It is in the same class as the cheap Android phones people go on about
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Originally Posted by NYCMacFan
3. Competition is good for all as it will force Apple to keep innovating.
Competition is good only if the competition is also innovating.
Originally Posted by jfanning
The iPhone 3GS is not a premium phone, yet you seem to be including the sales of it in your numbers
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
So you don't think there's a problem with giving a product a name that has nothing to do with the product? You'd be fine with Apple releasing a purple laptop and calling it the "WinScribe Blue"?
Touch it twice.
Ahhh...there you go! Good boy! You just bought a iPhone 4S...we knew you could do it! Don't you just love Siri? That is the lastest iPhone be released...so onto iPhone 5 :-)
Originally Posted by geekdad
Ahhh...there you go! Good boy! You just bought a iPhone 4S...we knew you could do it! Don't you just love Siri? That is the lastest iPhone be released...so onto iPhone 5 :-)
It's pathetic to see that when proven wrong you still think you were right in any capacity, even going so far as pretend I'm a toddler despite not knowing how grammar works.
How many iPhones have come out since 2007? Please say six.
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Originally Posted by RichL
Europe and Asia? The Samsung Galaxy SIII is incredibly popular in the UK.
The amount of butthurt in this thread is hilarious. Go check Samsung's quarterly reports - they're making a lot of money at the moment. It's pretty obvious that they're not stuffing the channel.
Check the some of other Samsung phones, the ones outselling the GS III by over 4 to 1.
Starting at forty quid
This one's a beauty, what a powerhouse
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Originally Posted by tooltalk
No, Sherlock. If they are merely "shipping" and not "selling", there would be no profit at all. Samsung's balance sheet would look more like LG's (or Sony's for that matter).
Of Samsung Electronics' four main divisions, only semiconductor and mobile divisions are making 10+% profit.
Apple 8.8 Billion
Samsung 5.9 Billion
So shipped = sold for Samsung.
RIM on the other hand had to take a lost for products like the playbook.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Exactly. Apple sold 27 M premium phones. Samsung sold 52 M phones of all types - everything from high end phones to midrange phones to idiot phones and even feature phones.
Apparently you can't even get past the second word in the title of the article without getting confused. The article clearly states that these numbers are for the 'smartphone' market...not ALL phones.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
It's pathetic to see that when proven wrong you still think you were right in any capacity, even going so far as pretend I'm a toddler despite not knowing how grammar works.
How many iPhones have come out since 2007? Please say six.
lol......so what was the latest iPhone called? Surely it was the iPhone 6???? Oh wait no it is called the iPhone 4S!!!! So what naming scheme has Apple followed you ask? Well let me explain that to you...so far they have followed iPhone 3G, then iPhone 3Gs, then iPhone 4...then the latest one is the iPhone 4S with Siri...you know the one you just bought in the picture. So nowhere do you see any kind of naming scheme based on the generation or iteration of the phone.....But Apple could very well just call the next iPhone just "iPhone" kind of like they have done with the iPad.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
What did you fix for anybody?
Apple reports the sale at the time of shipment, ie they have sold it to a subsidy, an end customer, or a distributor. In reality, how is this different to the others?
If you don't understand the basics of revenue recognition -- and the seriousness that it entails by way of penalties for misrepresentation -- and the difference between that and the weasel-y notion of some consultant-generated "shipments" number, I am not even going to try to start. There is no law that says that you can't wallow in ignorance.
I will give you a hint though, if you're truly interested in learning: you want to combine the audited sales data with the "channel inventory" number that Apple always reports (or brings up in its conf call with analysts) to get at how many are actually in consumers' hands.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfanning
Can you please post a reference from Apple specifing the number of iPhones sold per model? The iPhone 3GS is not a premium phone, yet you seem to be including the sales of it in your numbers
I can tell you exactly what average price each of the 26.03M iPhones was sold at. It's a pretty impressive number: $624 per handset (p. 26 of 10Q filed with SEC from Tuesday).
I can assure you that if 3GSs were being given away and in large numbers (as you imply), the 4 and 4S must be selling for some astounding average price! But I am quite content with $624 per handset.
Originally Posted by geek dad
So nowhere do you see any kind of naming scheme based on the generation or iteration of the phone...
Except where you just said so, yeah.
…then iPhone 4…
...But Apple could very well just call the next iPhone just "iPhone" kind of like they have done with the iPad
And that option, at least, makes more sense than "none percent".
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Originally Posted by markbyrn
BTW AI, have you thought about doing some investigative journalism on these fantastical claims by Samsung/Google? I work at a major airport in Florida and when running a simple network scan on the free Wi-Fi service, it invariably shows about 90% connections from Apple devices vice anything else. Where are all these Android phones hiding?
We did the same thing on my summer trip to disney resorts. About 80% of the devices connected to the wifi were apple devices (including laptops/tablets/phones, ...). But remember most of the Android devices are being sold outside north america. Apple does have a good ratio in the US.
I did saw android devices "in the wild". On my floor at work, 40% of the staff is carrying Samsung phones and the other 40% are iphones. 20% are something else.
The iOS app to scan public networks is FING. I think its free, so enjoy.
Samsung is very popular in "third-world countries", where they are sold at ridiculous prices, nowhere near what they sell for in the "developed countries". Samsung probably has to sell 2 or 3 phones for every iPhone sold (when these are available -- a lot of African countries for example, don't have iPhone stores) because the plastic-crap that Samsung makes are not very durable and don't last very long, so replacements/upgrades are common place.
A lot of posters have already pointed out that Apple sells, everyone else ships...
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
A new estimate pegs Samsung's smartphone shipments for the second quarter of calendar 2012 at 52.1 million, which would be twice the 26 million iPhones Apple sold during the same period.
....
Apple announced in its quarterly earnings report on Tuesday that it sold 26 million iPhones in the June quarter, representing 28 percent unit growth year over year. Investors expected Apple would have sold closer to 28 million iPhones during the quarter, and viewed the result as a disappointment.
....
While Samsung is estimated to have taken the lead in smartphone shipments, Apple still remains undisputed in terms of profitability. In the June quarter, Apple saw its third-quarter profits reach $8.8 billion, driven largely by the iPhone, while Samsung saw company-wide profits of $5.9 billion during the same period.
Samsung gives away a phone with everyone sold. BOGO. Or they are free. Yea, Market share means mostly nothing. Nokia still ships more phones than samsung but they lost a BILLION dollars last year.
Apple makes more profit from Smart phone sales than the rest of the market combined. Profit, that thing that pays for R+D, etc.
Just a thought here but Market share only means anything if everyone is selling the same oranges. But I will give you that Samsung is slowly trying to make better phones.
Originally Posted by sip
A lot of posters have already pointed out that Apple sells, everyone else ships...
But… but 'real artists ship'! So Apple sucks!
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
But… but 'real artists ship'! So Apple sucks!
QFT
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
I can tell you exactly what average price each of the 26.03M iPhones was sold at. It's a pretty impressive number: $624 per handset (p. 26 of 10Q filed with SEC from Tuesday).
I can assure you that if 3GSs were being given away and in large numbers (as you imply), the 4 and 4S must be selling for some astounding average price! But I am quite content with $624 per handset.
You are overstating the average handset price. The 10Q clearly lists 'iPhone revenue' as the following:
Includes revenue from sales of iPhone, iPhone services, and Apple-branded and third-party iPhone accessories.
Includes amortization of related revenue deferred for non-software services and embedded software upgrade rights.
It is $624 on average per handset when factoring in ALL of these other items, not just the handset.
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Originally Posted by eldernorm
Apple makes more profit from Smart phone sales than the rest of the market combined. Profit, that thing that pays for R+D, etc.the lawyers.
There, I fixed that for you. Apple has always been on the lower end for R&D spending compared to others.