Exactly, much of the tech Apple uses in their devices was invented by someone else and Apple bought the company. A single company no matter how big can think of everything.
Yes, much of the technology Apple uses was invented by others. Yet it was Apple that consolidated existing technology and integrated it into a way to make the world's best selling phone - and the world's most widely copied phone.
Here's a typical low end Android phone. 600MHz CPU, 240x320 screen, QVGA video recording at 15 frames per second.
Exactly. Apple sold 27 M premium phones. Samsung sold 52 M phones of all types - everything from high end phones to midrange phones to idiot phones and even feature phones.
Er, no, it's exactly wrong. I gave a link in post 48
Ummm... no, you provided a link to a Samsung executive talking about 10M sales in a press event. Like "it's smooth." (i) That's not 52 million -- which is an estimated number pulled out of a hat; (ii) It's not reported anywhere on Samsung's website (leave alone audited financials). When you have actual reported numbers, we'll be getting somewhere. Until then, its pure PR (and Fandroid) fantasies. Fail.
Funny... Samsung "shipped" twice as many phones as Apple "sold", yet made only half the money Apple did in the same quarter. Samsung makes a lot more than just smartphones, so all of their product lines combined generated just over $5B in the most recent quarter compared to Apple's almost $9B. What that tells me is that Samsung is selling only a fraction of the units they are actually "shipping".
Samsung didn't give any figures this was another company, so who knows how they worked it out, might have added tablets to the figures, galaxy nexus :S or counted activation like google does, whatever that means?
they aren't making the same money as apple & i guess that is a companies main goal, even tho they say to make great stuff the investors are after the fat moola
Funny... Samsung "shipped" twice as many phones as Apple "sold", yet made only half the money Apple did in the same quarter. Samsung makes a lot more than just smartphones, so all of their product lines combined generated just over $5B in the most recent quarter compared to Apple's almost $9B. What that tells me is that Samsung is selling only a fraction of the units they are actually "shipping".
Let's not forget what happened to the last largest mobile phone producer, Nokia. You can make, ship, or sell the most phones in the world, but if you don't make money from it, what's the point? Also, how is Samsung spending about half what Apple is on CPUs, yet producing more smartphones than Apple's entire lineup of products? Something's fishy.
Yes, Apple is very much like Nokia. Apple can make as many iphones as you want, but there is a limit to how Apple can capitalize on Sony and Sharp's design / technical innovation.
Your brain smells fishy. Samsung doesn't sell too many smartphones / laptops with 128+GB Flash or Intel/AMD CPUs.
Funny... Samsung "shipped" twice as many phones as Apple "sold", yet made only half the money Apple did in the same quarter. Samsung makes a lot more than just smartphones, so all of their product lines combined generated just over $5B in the most recent quarter compared to Apple's almost $9B. What that tells me is that Samsung is selling only a fraction of the units they are actually "shipping".
No, Sherlock. If they are merely "shipping" and not "selling", there would be no profit at all. Samsung's balance sheet would look more like LG's (or Sony's for that matter).
Of Samsung Electronics' four main divisions, only semiconductor and mobile divisions are making 10+% profit.
Even if this number is true (i.e. sold, not shipped) who cares? When was Apple ever supposed to dominate the mobile phone market? The fact they're doing as well as they are in the span of 5 years is amazing. And as others have pointed out, Apple basically has one phone compared to other OEM's who have dozens of different models. Really comparing apples and oranges there.
Yes, much of the technology Apple uses was invented by others. Yet it was Apple that consolidated existing technology and integrated it into a way to make the world's best selling phone - and the world's most widely copied phone.
Exactly. Apple sold 27 M premium phones. Samsung sold 52 M phones of all types - everything from high end phones to midrange phones to idiot phones and even feature phones.
Ferrari could sell more cars if they sold a subcompact economy car, too. But why should they?
The sales discrepancy could easily be fixed once Apple releases a Prepaid iPhone that works on CDMA networks (not just US CDMA but also Chinas).
Either a 3GS+ or an iPhone Nano would fit the bill and then Samsung can kiss their short term sales leads goodbye.
The S3 is a great phone (weaker iOS, but still great phone). I may go android (though for the convenience of the ecosystem with my mac computers and iPad am say 60% likely to stay and get iPhone 5).
Lots of other people I know are thinking about it. A few are thinking about it given customizability options with a more open OS. Many, like me, are simply frustrated at the small screen size the iPhone 5 is likely to get. To be honest, that is my only complaint.
So let's be honest
1. Apple is still the market leader in laptops, tables and phones.
2. The lead appears to be lessening in phones more so than other categories. The Nexus and S3 are (for some) finally now real alternatives (iPhone may still win, but they are plausible).
3. Competition is good for all as it will force Apple to keep innovating.
4. Apple may in future be forced to fragment on screen sizes for phones (perhaps not until next year) as they do for laptops and soon will do for iPad. The non-Apple market is responding to consumer demands for a 4.3 to 4.7 inch screen. Do you really think Apple knows best here? I'm not so sure.
Funny... Samsung "shipped" twice as many phones as Apple "sold", yet made only half the money Apple did in the same quarter. Samsung makes a lot more than just smartphones, so all of their product lines combined generated just over $5B in the most recent quarter compared to Apple's almost $9B. What that tells me is that Samsung is selling only a fraction of the units they are actually "shipping".
And of that $5 billion...how much came from Apple to buy chips and screens????
And everyone called the iPhone 3G "iPhone 2" before launch. Not to put too fine a point on it, but they're all idiots (these tech sites that perpetuate this crap), whining about how the iPhone 5 didn't come out last year, so it must be coming out this year.
Because I'm correct. The next iPhone is not "5" in any way. Except, probably, five star in rating systems that haven't devolved into the pathetic Like/Dislike nonsense.
Of course your right!!.... Why don't you go to the Apple store and tell them you want to buy and iPhone 5? You insist that it is already out there so go buy it and report back to us with pictures of you and your iPhone 5....go on now...hurry back....
The number does NOT represent the generation number, only did on the iPhone4.
So you don't think there's a problem with giving a product a name that has nothing to do with the product? You'd be fine with Apple releasing a purple laptop and calling it the "WinScribe Blue"?
Excellent post! I'd hit the 'Add to reputation' button but can't on an iPad.
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Originally Posted by geekdad
Why don't you go to the Apple store and tell them you want to buy and iPhone 5? You insist that it is already out there so go buy it and report back to us with pictures of you and your iPhone 5....
<span style="background-color:rgb(241,241,241);">This seems like a fun game people are playing. Another random consulting firm claims Samsung shipped double the number of phones than the iPhone sold.</span>
<span style="background-color:rgb(241,241,241);">There, fixed it for you.</span>
What did you fix for anybody?
Apple reports the sale at the time of shipment, ie they have sold it to a subsidy, an end customer, or a distributor. In reality, how is this different to the others?
Exactly. Apple sold 27 M premium phones. Samsung sold 52 M phones of all types - everything from high end phones to midrange phones to idiot phones and even feature phones.
Can you please post a reference from Apple specifing the number of iPhones sold per model? The iPhone 3GS is not a premium phone, yet you seem to be including the sales of it in your numbers
Can you please post a reference from Apple specifing the number of iPhones sold per model? The iPhone 3GS is not a premium phone, yet you seem to be including the sales of it in your numbers
The 3GS is still a smart phone. It can do 90 percent or more of what the other models can do. It should be included int he numbers.
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Yes, much of the technology Apple uses was invented by others. Yet it was Apple that consolidated existing technology and integrated it into a way to make the world's best selling phone - and the world's most widely copied phone.
Exactly. Apple sold 27 M premium phones. Samsung sold 52 M phones of all types - everything from high end phones to midrange phones to idiot phones and even feature phones.
Ferrari could sell more cars if they sold a subcompact economy car, too. But why should they?
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Er, no, it's exactly wrong. I gave a link in post 48
Ummm... no, you provided a link to a Samsung executive talking about 10M sales in a press event. Like "it's smooth." (i) That's not 52 million -- which is an estimated number pulled out of a hat; (ii) It's not reported anywhere on Samsung's website (leave alone audited financials). When you have actual reported numbers, we'll be getting somewhere. Until then, its pure PR (and Fandroid) fantasies. Fail.
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I think you should add troll to your ban list.
I wish AI would add more trolls to the ban list.
Funny... Samsung "shipped" twice as many phones as Apple "sold", yet made only half the money Apple did in the same quarter. Samsung makes a lot more than just smartphones, so all of their product lines combined generated just over $5B in the most recent quarter compared to Apple's almost $9B. What that tells me is that Samsung is selling only a fraction of the units they are actually "shipping".
Samsung didn't give any figures this was another company, so who knows how they worked it out, might have added tablets to the figures, galaxy nexus :S or counted activation like google does, whatever that means?
they aren't making the same money as apple & i guess that is a companies main goal, even tho they say to make great stuff
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Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist
Funny... Samsung "shipped" twice as many phones as Apple "sold", yet made only half the money Apple did in the same quarter. Samsung makes a lot more than just smartphones, so all of their product lines combined generated just over $5B in the most recent quarter compared to Apple's almost $9B. What that tells me is that Samsung is selling only a fraction of the units they are actually "shipping".
Or cheapo toys. Or more likely, both.
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Originally Posted by silverpraxis
Let's not forget what happened to the last largest mobile phone producer, Nokia. You can make, ship, or sell the most phones in the world, but if you don't make money from it, what's the point? Also, how is Samsung spending about half what Apple is on CPUs, yet producing more smartphones than Apple's entire lineup of products? Something's fishy.
Yes, Apple is very much like Nokia. Apple can make as many iphones as you want, but there is a limit to how Apple can capitalize on Sony and Sharp's design / technical innovation.
Your brain smells fishy. Samsung doesn't sell too many smartphones / laptops with 128+GB Flash or Intel/AMD CPUs.
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Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist
Funny... Samsung "shipped" twice as many phones as Apple "sold", yet made only half the money Apple did in the same quarter. Samsung makes a lot more than just smartphones, so all of their product lines combined generated just over $5B in the most recent quarter compared to Apple's almost $9B. What that tells me is that Samsung is selling only a fraction of the units they are actually "shipping".
No, Sherlock. If they are merely "shipping" and not "selling", there would be no profit at all. Samsung's balance sheet would look more like LG's (or Sony's for that matter).
Of Samsung Electronics' four main divisions, only semiconductor and mobile divisions are making 10+% profit.
Even if this number is true (i.e. sold, not shipped) who cares? When was Apple ever supposed to dominate the mobile phone market? The fact they're doing as well as they are in the span of 5 years is amazing. And as others have pointed out, Apple basically has one phone compared to other OEM's who have dozens of different models. Really comparing apples and oranges there.
Either a 3GS+ or an iPhone Nano would fit the bill and then Samsung can kiss their short term sales leads goodbye.
Asia and to a lesser extent Europe...
The S3 is a great phone (weaker iOS, but still great phone). I may go android (though for the convenience of the ecosystem with my mac computers and iPad am say 60% likely to stay and get iPhone 5).
Lots of other people I know are thinking about it. A few are thinking about it given customizability options with a more open OS. Many, like me, are simply frustrated at the small screen size the iPhone 5 is likely to get. To be honest, that is my only complaint.
So let's be honest
1. Apple is still the market leader in laptops, tables and phones.
2. The lead appears to be lessening in phones more so than other categories. The Nexus and S3 are (for some) finally now real alternatives (iPhone may still win, but they are plausible).
3. Competition is good for all as it will force Apple to keep innovating.
4. Apple may in future be forced to fragment on screen sizes for phones (perhaps not until next year) as they do for laptops and soon will do for iPad. The non-Apple market is responding to consumer demands for a 4.3 to 4.7 inch screen. Do you really think Apple knows best here? I'm not so sure.
That is precisely it! The number does NOT represent the generation number, only did on the iPhone4. Gee, what a matte comment!
Excellent post! I'd hit the 'Add to reputation' button but can't on an iPad.
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Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist
Funny... Samsung "shipped" twice as many phones as Apple "sold", yet made only half the money Apple did in the same quarter. Samsung makes a lot more than just smartphones, so all of their product lines combined generated just over $5B in the most recent quarter compared to Apple's almost $9B. What that tells me is that Samsung is selling only a fraction of the units they are actually "shipping".
And of that $5 billion...how much came from Apple to buy chips and screens????
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Hardware generation.
And everyone called the iPhone 3G "iPhone 2" before launch. Not to put too fine a point on it, but they're all idiots (these tech sites that perpetuate this crap), whining about how the iPhone 5 didn't come out last year, so it must be coming out this year.
Because I'm correct. The next iPhone is not "5" in any way. Except, probably, five star in rating systems that haven't devolved into the pathetic Like/Dislike nonsense.
Of course your right!!.... Why don't you go to the Apple store and tell them you want to buy and iPhone 5? You insist that it is already out there so go buy it and report back to us with pictures of you and your iPhone 5....go on now...hurry back....
Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
The number does NOT represent the generation number, only did on the iPhone4.
So you don't think there's a problem with giving a product a name that has nothing to do with the product? You'd be fine with Apple releasing a purple laptop and calling it the "WinScribe Blue"?
Excellent post! I'd hit the 'Add to reputation' button but can't on an iPad.
Touch it twice.
Originally Posted by geekdad
Why don't you go to the Apple store and tell them you want to buy and iPhone 5? You insist that it is already out there so go buy it and report back to us with pictures of you and your iPhone 5....
What did you fix for anybody?
Apple reports the sale at the time of shipment, ie they have sold it to a subsidy, an end customer, or a distributor. In reality, how is this different to the others?
Can you please post a reference from Apple specifing the number of iPhones sold per model? The iPhone 3GS is not a premium phone, yet you seem to be including the sales of it in your numbers
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Originally Posted by phalanx
Nothing better than some healthy competition!!!!
It is only healthy is Samsung is competing using its own innovations.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
Can you please post a reference from Apple specifing the number of iPhones sold per model? The iPhone 3GS is not a premium phone, yet you seem to be including the sales of it in your numbers
The 3GS is still a smart phone. It can do 90 percent or more of what the other models can do. It should be included int he numbers.