Of course your right!!.... Why don't you go to the Apple store and tell them you want to buy and iPhone 5? You insist that it is already out there so go buy it and report back to us with pictures of you and your iPhone 5....go on now...hurry back....
Uh oh. Now you done it. He's liable to post another black square!
No it isn't. Samsung can't keep selling mythological phones forever. The consistent complaint is "why can't I see all these samsung phones" but that doesn't prove that the numbers are made up. Give me a good reason why and also a how, how/why could Samsung keep inventing phone sales in contempt of securities laws as well as profit motive for so long? You can't keep making and shipping phones, only to have them shipped back to you, forever. Right? Doing that costs money. While a desperate company may do that for a quarter or two, eventually the gig is up and the reality hits. Samsung is clearly selling these phones. Deal with it.
Huh? What 'securities laws' are they violating? Do you know anything about securities laws?
By several accounts, Apple's revenue for Apple-branded iPhone accessories comes in at over a $1billion per quarter alone. They have one of the highest 'attach rates' in the industry. There are also undisclosed amounts received from licensing iPhone connectors and other patent related items, with non-Apple components, automobiles, etc. Who other than you considers BILLIONS to be a 'very small portion of sales'???
Yeah. Apple had $16+ billion in sales from this segment last quarter. Go figure!
At least, we can have an intelligent discussion since Apple actually provides numbers. Samsung provides zip. They obviously are ashamed or, for some reason, hesitant to reveal it. I can think of only one sensible reason -- the average sales and profit are likely not as good as consulting firms claim it is.
As I said before, you are certainly welcome to believe what you will!
Yeah. Apple had $16+ billion in sales from this segment last quarter. Go figure!
At least, we can have an intelligent discussion since Apple actually provides numbers. Samsung provides zip. They obviously are ashamed or, for some reason, hesitant to reveal it. I can think of only one sensible reason -- the average sales and profit are likely not as good as consulting firms claim it is.
As I said before, you are certainly welcome to believe what you will!
I don't think I've made ANY comments about my opinions or what I 'believe' on the matter. I simply quoted Apple's 10Q and pointed out that you decided to leave out some variables in your calculations, in which, at a minimum left you a good 10-15% off the mark, and realistically, more around 20+%.
You my friend are the one who decided to get so worked up, told me I was 'hairsplitting' and didn't know what I was talking about...
On a different note, you may want to consider asking your doctor about Xanax...
According to this AP article sales of the Galaxy S III are estimated to be 6.5 million out of a total of 50 million. Where did the 19 million come from? Oh and Samsung' record profit is still about half that of Apple's.
So… there's no way we can distinguish models, there's no way we can determine what is considered "premium", why not just take the numbers we're given and roll with it instead of trying to nitpick out Apple's (and only Apple's I might add) phones while leaving even worse models with worse software and worse compatibility alone on the other side?
I didn't single out Apple, that would be jragosta. I quite plainly said it affects all manufacturers, they all have smartphones that range from budget to premium
I don't think I've made ANY comments about my opinions or what I 'believe' on the matter. I simply quoted Apple's 10Q and pointed out that you decided to leave out some variables in your calculations, in which, at a minimum left you a good 10-15% off the mark, and realistically, more around 20+%.
You my friend are the one who decided to get so worked up, told me I was 'hairsplitting' and didn't know what I was talking about...
On a different note, you may want to consider asking your doctor about Xanax...
10-15% off the mark! No, 20%! Lets's make that 30%.....All pulled totally out of your hat, without an iota of evidence or a cite.
No! That's not an 'opinion' or 'belief' on your part!
It's pathetic to see that when proven wrong you still think you were right in any capacity, even going so far as pretend I'm a toddler despite not knowing how grammar works.
How many iPhones have come out since 2007? Please say six.
My original, innocent post was the genesis for the ensuing conversation (see page one of the comments) by mentioning "iPhone 5".
Yet, you've proceeded to debate and correct everyone over the definition of "iPhone 5" with what one might say, as evidenced above, in a condescending tone.
It's so comforting to know that we have such a knowledgeable moderator like you to keep us retards in line.
It is a drug that helps people like anantksundaram not freak out upon hearing the phrase 'Samsung' or any statement that doesn't support 'Apple is God's gift to this planet'...aka...'a chill pill'...
lol......so what was the latest iPhone called? Surely it was the iPhone 6???? Oh wait no it is called the iPhone 4S!!!! So what naming scheme has Apple followed you ask? Well let me explain that to you...so far they have followed iPhone 3G, then iPhone 3Gs, then iPhone 4...then the latest one is the iPhone 4S with Siri...you know the one you just bought in the picture. So nowhere do you see any kind of naming scheme based on the generation or iteration of the phone.....But Apple could very well just call the next iPhone just "iPhone" kind of like they have done with the iPad.
Everybody but you seems to understand that the iPhone 5 will be the iPhone 5.
The naming convention for the series has to do with capabilities. The 4S has slightly more features but from a developers standpoint -- it's relatively the same machine. The 5 will have a higher res display and some other capabilities which need to be targeted. Sure, ultimately it's all marketing, but with Apple, at least the "generations" mean something to developers. A 3G or 3Gs only has minor differences.
So can you stop adding more noise than signal on this? It's silly. Just move on.
10-15% off the mark! No, 20%! Lets's make that 30%.....All pulled totally out of your hat, without an iota of evidence or a cite.
No! That's not an 'opinion' or 'belief' on your part!
Lol. Only from the minds of silly fandroids.
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Huh? What 'securities laws' are they violating? Do you know anything about securities laws?
I think I know the answer.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
If you don't understand the basics of revenue recognition -- and the seriousness that it entails by way of penalties for misrepresentation -- and the difference between that and the weasel-y notion of some consultant-generated "shipments" number, I am not even going to try to start. There is no law that says that you can't wallow in ignorance.
I will give you a hint though, if you're truly interested in learning: you want to combine the audited sales data with the "channel inventory" number that Apple always reports (or brings up in its conf call with analysts) to get at how many are actually in consumers' hands.
You sure do spend a lot of time telling people they know nothing considering how little you prove that you know. You like to say you know about accounting standards and securities laws (or at least imply that you know more than the person you're insulting) but then you hide behind the 5 year old's strategy of "not telling you what I know because you're too dumb." Either grow up or grow a pair and show what you know because I'm calling your bluff. You know absolutely nothing.
True, but if they are offered for free or nearly free to customers, they're much easier to get rid of and could inflate those order numbers quite a bit.
If I can purchase an iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S for 0.00$ from my local providers, dos that mean hte same for apple?
What do you want to know? It would help if I knew.
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PS: I'll check back tomorrow. Getting late where I am.
Tell me all about revenue recognition and securities laws and how they affect Apple.
PS: When you Google the answers tonight before getting back to me tomorrow, make sure you don't pick the top articles because that's too easy to trace.
He deletes the spam. He's kind of like the old guy you see in front of a hotel, with a miniature broom and dustpan, sweeping up the gum wrappers and cigarette butts.
But he needs to be told not to talk to the guests. He bothers them.
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Originally Posted by geekdad
Of course your right!!.... Why don't you go to the Apple store and tell them you want to buy and iPhone 5? You insist that it is already out there so go buy it and report back to us with pictures of you and your iPhone 5....go on now...hurry back....
Uh oh. Now you done it. He's liable to post another black square!
Originally Posted by JerrySwitched26
Uh oh. Now you done it. He's liable to post another black square!
Top marks.
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. "iPhone services, and Apple-branded and third-party iPhone accessories" likely account for no more than a very small portion of sales.
That is quite an assertion you just made. Got any evidence? Any at all?
Huh? What 'securities laws' are they violating? Do you know anything about securities laws?
I think I know the answer.
None that is relevant or useful for trolls.
Yeah. Apple had $16+ billion in sales from this segment last quarter. Go figure!
At least, we can have an intelligent discussion since Apple actually provides numbers. Samsung provides zip. They obviously are ashamed or, for some reason, hesitant to reveal it. I can think of only one sensible reason -- the average sales and profit are likely not as good as consulting firms claim it is.
As I said before, you are certainly welcome to believe what you will!
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Yeah. Apple had $16+ billion in sales from this segment last quarter. Go figure!
At least, we can have an intelligent discussion since Apple actually provides numbers. Samsung provides zip. They obviously are ashamed or, for some reason, hesitant to reveal it. I can think of only one sensible reason -- the average sales and profit are likely not as good as consulting firms claim it is.
As I said before, you are certainly welcome to believe what you will!
I don't think I've made ANY comments about my opinions or what I 'believe' on the matter. I simply quoted Apple's 10Q and pointed out that you decided to leave out some variables in your calculations, in which, at a minimum left you a good 10-15% off the mark, and realistically, more around 20+%.
You my friend are the one who decided to get so worked up, told me I was 'hairsplitting' and didn't know what I was talking about...
On a different note, you may want to consider asking your doctor about Xanax...
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/galaxy-phones-drive-samsung-record-004839926.html
I didn't single out Apple, that would be jragosta. I quite plainly said it affects all manufacturers, they all have smartphones that range from budget to premium
10-15% off the mark! No, 20%! Lets's make that 30%.....All pulled totally out of your hat, without an iota of evidence or a cite.
No! That's not an 'opinion' or 'belief' on your part!
Lol. Only from the minds of silly fandroids.
Guys, what is Xanax?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
It's pathetic to see that when proven wrong you still think you were right in any capacity, even going so far as pretend I'm a toddler despite not knowing how grammar works.
How many iPhones have come out since 2007? Please say six.
My original, innocent post was the genesis for the ensuing conversation (see page one of the comments) by mentioning "iPhone 5".
Yet, you've proceeded to debate and correct everyone over the definition of "iPhone 5" with what one might say, as evidenced above, in a condescending tone.
It's so comforting to know that we have such a knowledgeable moderator like you to keep us retards in line.
That said, what is your role as moderator anyway?
Your bully pulpit schtick is old and tired.
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Originally Posted by Fairthrope
Guys, what is Xanax?
It is a drug that helps people like anantksundaram not freak out upon hearing the phrase 'Samsung' or any statement that doesn't support 'Apple is God's gift to this planet'...aka...'a chill pill'...
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Originally Posted by geekdad
lol......so what was the latest iPhone called? Surely it was the iPhone 6???? Oh wait no it is called the iPhone 4S!!!! So what naming scheme has Apple followed you ask? Well let me explain that to you...so far they have followed iPhone 3G, then iPhone 3Gs, then iPhone 4...then the latest one is the iPhone 4S with Siri...you know the one you just bought in the picture. So nowhere do you see any kind of naming scheme based on the generation or iteration of the phone.....But Apple could very well just call the next iPhone just "iPhone" kind of like they have done with the iPad.
Everybody but you seems to understand that the iPhone 5 will be the iPhone 5.
The naming convention for the series has to do with capabilities. The 4S has slightly more features but from a developers standpoint -- it's relatively the same machine. The 5 will have a higher res display and some other capabilities which need to be targeted. Sure, ultimately it's all marketing, but with Apple, at least the "generations" mean something to developers. A 3G or 3Gs only has minor differences.
So can you stop adding more noise than signal on this? It's silly. Just move on.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
10-15% off the mark! No, 20%! Lets's make that 30%.....All pulled totally out of your hat, without an iota of evidence or a cite.
No! That's not an 'opinion' or 'belief' on your part!
Lol. Only from the minds of silly fandroids.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Huh? What 'securities laws' are they violating? Do you know anything about securities laws?
I think I know the answer.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
If you don't understand the basics of revenue recognition -- and the seriousness that it entails by way of penalties for misrepresentation -- and the difference between that and the weasel-y notion of some consultant-generated "shipments" number, I am not even going to try to start. There is no law that says that you can't wallow in ignorance.
I will give you a hint though, if you're truly interested in learning: you want to combine the audited sales data with the "channel inventory" number that Apple always reports (or brings up in its conf call with analysts) to get at how many are actually in consumers' hands.
You sure do spend a lot of time telling people they know nothing considering how little you prove that you know. You like to say you know about accounting standards and securities laws (or at least imply that you know more than the person you're insulting) but then you hide behind the 5 year old's strategy of "not telling you what I know because you're too dumb." Either grow up or grow a pair and show what you know because I'm calling your bluff. You know absolutely nothing.
Originally Posted by Fake_William_Shatner
Everybody but you seems to understand that the iPhone 5 will be the iPhone 5.
Did you mean to quote me? Because that's still wrong, anyway.
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True, but if they are offered for free or nearly free to customers, they're much easier to get rid of and could inflate those order numbers quite a bit.
If I can purchase an iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S for 0.00$ from my local providers, dos that mean hte same for apple?
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Originally Posted by wakefinance
.....show what you know because I'm calling your bluff.
What do you want to know? It would help if I knew.
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PS: I'll check back tomorrow. Getting late where I am.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
What do you want to know? It would help if I knew.
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PS: I'll check back tomorrow. Getting late where I am.
Tell me all about revenue recognition and securities laws and how they affect Apple.
PS: When you Google the answers tonight before getting back to me tomorrow, make sure you don't pick the top articles because that's too easy to trace.
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Originally Posted by Woodlink
That said, what is your role as moderator anyway?
He deletes the spam. He's kind of like the old guy you see in front of a hotel, with a miniature broom and dustpan, sweeping up the gum wrappers and cigarette butts.
But he needs to be told not to talk to the guests. He bothers them.