Just copy the stuff not too "slavishly" you Apple...,you... Uhm..., maybe not.
On the left, Sony Ericsson 63. On the right LG Prada. Both of these are
from 2006.
If you marry the two, you will get a bastard phone...., called...., yes my child an Iphone....
It goes to show how "innovative" Apple really is. Or, if you prefer you can fill in the blank below.
Apple is "innovative" in .............[my personal favorite is: bastardizing other people's products]
You're twisting the facts around here a bit. Yes, the Prada came out in 2006, but only in December and only for limited sale in Europe at the time. The iPhone was first shown less than a month later, even though your post implies it was a whole year.
What you are really missing however is that the documents show that Apple *knew* that a design like this was very similar to Sony's designs (thus the "SONY" and "JONY" on the prototypes), and specifically went a different direction. The iPhone had a completely different design from either of these phones for over three years. It is only three years later when a similar appearing design was used for the iPhone 4, after both Sony and Prada had moved on. There is also a big difference between "looking" the same and being designed the same.
So your implication that Apple was sitting around looking at Sony's designs and then just copied them for the iPhone is pretty far off from the reality of the situation.
The iPhone had a completely different design from either of these phones for over three years. It is only three years later when a similar appearing design was used for the iPhone 4, after both Sony and Prada had moved on.
So, you are saying, in your twisted logic, since it doesn't look alike to any of these for the first three years, it's OK then to "copy/steal/be inspired" by these designs on the fourth year and then call it as Apple's original? This is hilarious. This kind of logic I guess can only exist in the mind of an an Apple f4nboi. But, at least, indirectly, you had admitted the existence of the I-bastard called Iphone would not be possible without the helps of its mama and papa Bastard.
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There is also a big difference between "looking" the same and being designed the same.
No,it isn't. It's the same difference. The fact that Iphone is "looking/being designed" the same as either of these two phones means I-bastard [or call it Iphone or whatever] wasn't an original idea, like most of all Apple fanbois so vigorously claim it to be. As I said earlier, there was no other manufacturers in the world that can beat Sony's aesthetic. Yes, in the also-ran of world of aesthetic, Apple is on this list, but it is the worst one because it treats their "bastardizations" of others' designs as its own patented designs. It's very laughable and sad. But, Apple is laughing all the way to the bank with their bastardized products.
So, you are saying, in your twisted logic, since it doesn't look alike to any of these for the first three years, it's OK then to "copy/steal/be inspired" by these designs on the fourth year and then call it as Apple's original? This is hilarious. This kind of logic I guess can only exist in the mind of an an Apple f4nboi. But, at least, indirectly, you had admitted the existence of the I-bastard called Iphone would not be possible without the helps of its mama and papa Bastard.
No,it isn't. It's the same difference. The fact that Iphone is "looking/being designed" the same as either of these two phones means I-bastard [or call it Iphone or whatever] wasn't an original idea, like most of all Apple fanbois so vigorously claim it to be. As I said earlier, there was no other manufacturers in the world that can beat Sony's aesthetic. Yes, in the also-ran of world of aesthetic, Apple is on this list, but it is the worst one because it treats their "bastardizations" of others' designs as its own patented designs. It's very laughable and sad. But, Apple is laughing all the way to the bank with their bastardized products.
are you trying to suggest the iphone was designed in a month?
are you trying to suggest the iphone was designed in a month?
Are you suggesting the already released LG Prada and other countless Sony phones being "inspired upon" to make I-bastard by Sir "Sony" Ives' team were made and designed in just one month? You, an Apple f4nboi, will have to admit Sony is Apple's God of aesthetic. If there's no Sony, there'll be no Apple. Is that clear enough?
Do you know what's funny? Even after isolating themselves within Apple's super isolation design castle, "Sony" Ives' team could only manage something that looks like an I-bastard. Excuses being given were "inspired by" instead of "copied/stolen" from Sony's design. It's sad and pathetic. Sony design house runs gazilion circles over "Sony" Ives' team. You just wait until Sony decide to bring Apple to court, and I think at this rate of Apple polluting the court with its outlandish claims of "patented design", it's about time that Sony teach Apple a lesson.
Are you suggesting the already released LG Prada and other countless Sony phones being "inspired upon" to make I-bastard by Sir "Sony" Ives' team were made and designed in just one month?
Your argument was proven fallacy over five years ago. Stop spouting this nonsense if you want to stick around. I'm certain THAT ? has removed all potential credibility you might have otherwise had.
Most of the competition was still thinking about putting keyboards and dial pads on their phones until the iPhone came out and showed you no longer need it.
???
I haven't owned a phone with a dial pad since 2004. All of my phones (bar one), purchased before the iphone was released, have had 3.5" (or larger) touch screens. Wow, I didn't realise that I owe apple sooo much...
Hey, same here! Except I'm… still using the phone I got in 2004.
You wouldn't happen to remember the interfaces or how the touchscreens worked on those, would you?
I spent about 8 years with Windows Mobile, so I must have enjoyed the experience. The OS had more than it's fair share of bugs, some minor and some pretty annoying, but hey, who ever heard of a bug free OS. Being a windows user I found the drill down menu very easy to use. The apps that I used most frequently were saved to the home screen as shortcut icons. i had a home screen button if I wanted to access them instantly Other programs that I used less frequently were stored in their own respective directories, eg network scanning tools/packet sniffers.
The out of the box the experience was far from perfect,by that i mean that the phone was usable but the OS never felt polished, it was very much a wok in progress. MicroSoft took a very hands off approach and allowed the cooking of custom roms. Often these roms allowed one to trade off between speed and relliability. Don't forget that arm processors and the cost of ram in the "olden days" were very different to today. MS didn't seem to mind that owners were upgrading to the latest OS for free, perhaps this is because the user base was relatively small. The only time that problems arose were when custom roms for a samsung (for example) included HTC IP; TruFlo, Sense etc. Other than that we were allowed to do what ever we wanted, we had root control over our handsets (long before google entered the game).
In the early days apps were fully fledged programs that were resource hungry, not surprising when you consider that internet speeds on mobile networks were so pitiful. The advantage of this was that you didn't have a paper weight when ever you were out of range of a decent signal, ie you could still work. The downside was that you didn't have the kind of apps that I find useful now, such as "real time" London Transport info, to be fair, London Tansport didn't even offer that info via the web in those days.
With regard to the use of the touch screen, it had initially been optimised for small screens and thus phones were supplied with a stylus, that said, navigating with your finger on a screen 3.5 inches or larger was quite easy and later updates such as HTCs truFlo had the ability to distinguish between a stylus and finger. Being resistive, the screens were far from perfect for showing high quality video but I had already been through the whole "omigod I can watch video on my mp3 player" years before ipods were able to and decided that it was little more than a novelty.
There was no pinch to zoom but when reading text on sites such as this, a double tap would allow one to optimally fill the screen with the text that was relevant. The only WM phone that I owned with a "small screen" had a click ipod B&O dial that zoomed in and out and had the advantage of only needing one finger.
I have no doubt that some of the members here will dismiss my experience because I was a long time owner of an OS that was at best a niche product, Frankly I don't care what phone people have and don't need to see lots of other people buying the same thing to affirm that i have the best phone..
The (main) problem with WM was that it years ahead of its time. It was flawed but without it we might not have the incarnations of IOs that currently exist and without iOS WP7 might not exist.. Bash MS if you must but remember that apple owe them much and equally they owe apple much .
The (main) problem with WM was that it years ahead of its time. It was flawed but without it we might not have the incarnations of IOs that currently exist and without iOS WP7 might not exist.. Bash MS if you must but remember that apple owe them much and equally they owe apple much .
I appreciate what Windows Phone 7 is, and I actively root for Microsoft to improve it to make it a legitimate contender in the mobile OS race.
But what does Apple owe the thieves that ruined desktop computing for 20 years?
I hate Apple for doing this. Seriously, as consumer. I even switched iPad3 for Dell Laptop to type this. Here you go! Viewsonic V35/V37! My first PDA with PocketPC 2002 and pocket framework. Is it rectangle enough with round corners?
I hate Apple for doing this. Seriously, as consumer. I even switched iPad3 for Dell Laptop to type this. Here you go! Viewsonic V35/V37! My first PDA with PocketPC 2002 and pocket framework. Is it rectangle enough with round corners?
I appreciate what Windows Phone 7 is, and I actively root for Microsoft to improve it to make it a legitimate contender in the mobile OS race.
But what does Apple owe the thieves that ruined desktop computing for 20 years?
WP is already a legitamate contender (bar sales). I guess the biggest problem that MS currently have is that there is not enough to entice owners away from their current iOS or Adroid ecosystem. That and the fact that MS aren't seen as "sexy" enough...
Doesn't that immediately stop it from being a contender? That's like saying "He certainly has a shot to win this race, he just needs to run this time."
Doesn't that immediately stop it from being a contender? That's like saying "He certainly has a shot to win this race, he just needs to run this time."
We seem to be interpreting "contender" in differing ways. To me a "legitimate contender" is one who has a realistic chance in a competition.
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Originally Posted by mcrs
Just copy the stuff not too "slavishly" you Apple...,you... Uhm..., maybe not.
On the left, Sony Ericsson 63. On the right LG Prada. Both of these are
from 2006.
If you marry the two, you will get a bastard phone...., called...., yes my child an Iphone....
It goes to show how "innovative" Apple really is. Or, if you prefer you can fill in the blank below.
Apple is "innovative" in .............[my personal favorite is: bastardizing other people's products]
You're twisting the facts around here a bit. Yes, the Prada came out in 2006, but only in December and only for limited sale in Europe at the time. The iPhone was first shown less than a month later, even though your post implies it was a whole year.
What you are really missing however is that the documents show that Apple *knew* that a design like this was very similar to Sony's designs (thus the "SONY" and "JONY" on the prototypes), and specifically went a different direction. The iPhone had a completely different design from either of these phones for over three years. It is only three years later when a similar appearing design was used for the iPhone 4, after both Sony and Prada had moved on. There is also a big difference between "looking" the same and being designed the same.
So your implication that Apple was sitting around looking at Sony's designs and then just copied them for the iPhone is pretty far off from the reality of the situation.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
The iPhone had a completely different design from either of these phones for over three years. It is only three years later when a similar appearing design was used for the iPhone 4, after both Sony and Prada had moved on.
So, you are saying, in your twisted logic, since it doesn't look alike to any of these for the first three years, it's OK then to "copy/steal/be inspired" by these designs on the fourth year and then call it as Apple's original? This is hilarious. This kind of logic I guess can only exist in the mind of an an Apple f4nboi. But, at least, indirectly, you had admitted the existence of the I-bastard called Iphone would not be possible without the helps of its mama and papa Bastard.
Quote:
There is also a big difference between "looking" the same and being designed the same.
No,it isn't. It's the same difference. The fact that Iphone is "looking/being designed" the same as either of these two phones means I-bastard [or call it Iphone or whatever] wasn't an original idea, like most of all Apple fanbois so vigorously claim it to be. As I said earlier, there was no other manufacturers in the world that can beat Sony's aesthetic. Yes, in the also-ran of world of aesthetic, Apple is on this list, but it is the worst one because it treats their "bastardizations" of others' designs as its own patented designs. It's very laughable and sad. But, Apple is laughing all the way to the bank with their bastardized products.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcrs
So, you are saying, in your twisted logic, since it doesn't look alike to any of these for the first three years, it's OK then to "copy/steal/be inspired" by these designs on the fourth year and then call it as Apple's original? This is hilarious. This kind of logic I guess can only exist in the mind of an an Apple f4nboi. But, at least, indirectly, you had admitted the existence of the I-bastard called Iphone would not be possible without the helps of its mama and papa Bastard.
No,it isn't. It's the same difference. The fact that Iphone is "looking/being designed" the same as either of these two phones means I-bastard [or call it Iphone or whatever] wasn't an original idea, like most of all Apple fanbois so vigorously claim it to be. As I said earlier, there was no other manufacturers in the world that can beat Sony's aesthetic. Yes, in the also-ran of world of aesthetic, Apple is on this list, but it is the worst one because it treats their "bastardizations" of others' designs as its own patented designs. It's very laughable and sad. But, Apple is laughing all the way to the bank with their bastardized products.
are you trying to suggest the iphone was designed in a month?
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Originally Posted by Splif
are you trying to suggest the iphone was designed in a month?
Are you suggesting the already released LG Prada and other countless Sony phones being "inspired upon" to make I-bastard by Sir "Sony" Ives' team were made and designed in just one month? You, an Apple f4nboi, will have to admit Sony is Apple's God of aesthetic. If there's no Sony, there'll be no Apple. Is that clear enough?
Do you know what's funny? Even after isolating themselves within Apple's super isolation design castle, "Sony" Ives' team could only manage something that looks like an I-bastard. Excuses being given were "inspired by" instead of "copied/stolen" from Sony's design. It's sad and pathetic. Sony design house runs gazilion circles over "Sony" Ives' team. You just wait until Sony decide to bring Apple to court, and I think at this rate of Apple polluting the court with its outlandish claims of "patented design", it's about time that Sony teach Apple a lesson.
Originally Posted by mcrs
Are you suggesting the already released LG Prada and other countless Sony phones being "inspired upon" to make I-bastard by Sir "Sony" Ives' team were made and designed in just one month?
Your argument was proven fallacy over five years ago. Stop spouting this nonsense if you want to stick around. I'm certain THAT ? has removed all potential credibility you might have otherwise had.
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Originally Posted by Maestro64
Most of the competition was still thinking about putting keyboards and dial pads on their phones until the iPhone came out and showed you no longer need it.
???
I haven't owned a phone with a dial pad since 2004. All of my phones (bar one), purchased before the iphone was released, have had 3.5" (or larger) touch screens. Wow, I didn't realise that I owe apple sooo much...
Originally Posted by hungover
I haven't owned a phone with a dial pad since 2004.
Hey, same here! Except I'm… still using the phone I got in 2004.
All of my phones (bar one), purchased before the iphone was released, have had 3.5" (or larger) touch screens.
You wouldn't happen to remember the interfaces or how the touchscreens worked on those, would you?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Hey, same here! Except I'm… still using the phone I got in 2004.
You wouldn't happen to remember the interfaces or how the touchscreens worked on those, would you?
I spent about 8 years with Windows Mobile, so I must have enjoyed the experience. The OS had more than it's fair share of bugs, some minor and some pretty annoying, but hey, who ever heard of a bug free OS. Being a windows user I found the drill down menu very easy to use. The apps that I used most frequently were saved to the home screen as shortcut icons. i had a home screen button if I wanted to access them instantly Other programs that I used less frequently were stored in their own respective directories, eg network scanning tools/packet sniffers.
The out of the box the experience was far from perfect,by that i mean that the phone was usable but the OS never felt polished, it was very much a wok in progress. MicroSoft took a very hands off approach and allowed the cooking of custom roms. Often these roms allowed one to trade off between speed and relliability. Don't forget that arm processors and the cost of ram in the "olden days" were very different to today. MS didn't seem to mind that owners were upgrading to the latest OS for free, perhaps this is because the user base was relatively small. The only time that problems arose were when custom roms for a samsung (for example) included HTC IP; TruFlo, Sense etc. Other than that we were allowed to do what ever we wanted, we had root control over our handsets (long before google entered the game).
In the early days apps were fully fledged programs that were resource hungry, not surprising when you consider that internet speeds on mobile networks were so pitiful. The advantage of this was that you didn't have a paper weight when ever you were out of range of a decent signal, ie you could still work. The downside was that you didn't have the kind of apps that I find useful now, such as "real time" London Transport info, to be fair, London Tansport didn't even offer that info via the web in those days.
With regard to the use of the touch screen, it had initially been optimised for small screens and thus phones were supplied with a stylus, that said, navigating with your finger on a screen 3.5 inches or larger was quite easy and later updates such as HTCs truFlo had the ability to distinguish between a stylus and finger. Being resistive, the screens were far from perfect for showing high quality video but I had already been through the whole "omigod I can watch video on my mp3 player" years before ipods were able to and decided that it was little more than a novelty.
There was no pinch to zoom but when reading text on sites such as this, a double tap would allow one to optimally fill the screen with the text that was relevant. The only WM phone that I owned with a "small screen" had a click ipod B&O dial that zoomed in and out and had the advantage of only needing one finger.
I have no doubt that some of the members here will dismiss my experience because I was a long time owner of an OS that was at best a niche product, Frankly I don't care what phone people have and don't need to see lots of other people buying the same thing to affirm that i have the best phone..
The (main) problem with WM was that it years ahead of its time. It was flawed but without it we might not have the incarnations of IOs that currently exist and without iOS WP7 might not exist.. Bash MS if you must but remember that apple owe them much and equally they owe apple much .
Originally Posted by hungover
The (main) problem with WM was that it years ahead of its time. It was flawed but without it we might not have the incarnations of IOs that currently exist and without iOS WP7 might not exist.. Bash MS if you must but remember that apple owe them much and equally they owe apple much .
I appreciate what Windows Phone 7 is, and I actively root for Microsoft to improve it to make it a legitimate contender in the mobile OS race.
But what does Apple owe the thieves that ruined desktop computing for 20 years?
You mean it needed HW that was much more powerful for the poorly optimized code that it ran? I'll grant you that.
I hate Apple for doing this. Seriously, as consumer. I even switched iPad3 for Dell Laptop to type this. Here you go! Viewsonic V35/V37! My first PDA with PocketPC 2002 and pocket framework. Is it rectangle enough with round corners?
Originally Posted by Andrey
I hate Apple for doing this. Seriously, as consumer. I even switched iPad3 for Dell Laptop to type this. Here you go! Viewsonic V35/V37! My first PDA with PocketPC 2002 and pocket framework. Is it rectangle enough with round corners?
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
You mean it needed HW that was much more powerful for the poorly optimized code that it ran? I'll grant you that.
What like 3G?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I appreciate what Windows Phone 7 is, and I actively root for Microsoft to improve it to make it a legitimate contender in the mobile OS race.
But what does Apple owe the thieves that ruined desktop computing for 20 years?
WP is already a legitamate contender (bar sales). I guess the biggest problem that MS currently have is that there is not enough to entice owners away from their current iOS or Adroid ecosystem. That and the fact that MS aren't seen as "sexy" enough...
Originally Posted by hungover
WP is already a legitamate contender (bar sales).
Doesn't that immediately stop it from being a contender? That's like saying "He certainly has a shot to win this race, he just needs to run this time."
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Doesn't that immediately stop it from being a contender? That's like saying "He certainly has a shot to win this race, he just needs to run this time."
We seem to be interpreting "contender" in differing ways. To me a "legitimate contender" is one who has a realistic chance in a competition.
Originally Posted by hungover
We seem to be interpreting "contender" in differing ways. To me a "legitimate contender" is one who has a realistic chance in a competition.
Well, when WP7 gets more than 2% marketshare, you let us know.