While I agree that NASA serves a useful purpose and that we spend far too much money on the military, the rest is fairly histrionic. NASA's budget is $19 B this year. That's real money.
This does appear to be a huge amount of money to us. However...
(while Wiki's budget number of 17.7 matches the official NASA budget numbers, I am not sure which number wiki used for the total budget to get 0.48%, or maybe I used the wrong number. Either way both come out to less than 1% of the US budget. Historically, NASA's percentage of the budget has been this low, with the exception of a small spike in the 1960s... which should be obvious and expected. Yet even will that little of the budget it accomplishes so much. It additionally spawns so much more economically, creating new inventions, products/materials, fields, technologies and industries, which of course spawn more jobs and a greater economy)
NASA requested 18.2B for 2012 and received 17.7B. The DOD got 683B, which was more than 8 times the next biggest government agency. This is on a total budget expenditure of $3.796T. So the DOD is 18% of the federal budget and NASA is 0.47%. BTW, yes 17.7B is real money, but it's absolute peanuts when looking at our total expenses. For those wondering, yes, the DOD has a budget more than 38x bigger than NASA's.
Cut that defense budget in half and give NASA an extra 100B for the rest of the decade and let's see what they could do on a real budget.
Federal 1963 budget: $111,316,000,000
NASA 1963 budget: $4,291,279
After inflation: $32,607,752.40
1963 NASA budget was .00386% of our expenses that year. (cue some rant about modern NASA being more wasteful w/o taking into account cost increases beyond inflation)
NASA requested 18.2B for 2012 and received 17.7B. The DOD got 683B, which was more than 8 times the next biggest government agency. This is on a total budget expenditure of $3.796T. So the DOD is 18% of the federal budget and NASA is 0.47%. BTW, yes 17.7B is real money, but it's absolute peanuts when looking at our total expenses. For those wondering, yes, the DOD has a budget more than 38x bigger than NASA's.
Cut that defense budget in half and give NASA an extra 100B for the rest of the decade and let's see what they could do on a real budget.
Federal 1963 budget: $111,316,000,000
NASA 1963 budget: $4,291,279
After inflation: $32,607,752.40
1963 NASA budget was .00386% of our expenses that year. (cue some rant about modern NASA being more wasteful w/o taking into account cost increases beyond inflation)
NASA requested 18.2B for 2012 and received 17.7B. The DOD got 683B, which was more than 8 times the next biggest government agency. This is on a total budget expenditure of $3.796T. So the DOD is 18% of the federal budget and NASA is 0.47%. BTW, yes 17.7B is real money, but it's absolute peanuts when looking at our total expenses. For those wondering, yes, the DOD has a budget more than 38x bigger than NASA's.
Cut that defense budget in half and give NASA an extra 100B for the rest of the decade and let's see what they could do on a real budget.
Federal 1963 budget: $111,316,000,000
NASA 1963 budget: $4,291,279
After inflation: $32,607,752.40
1963 NASA budget was .00386% of our expenses that year. (cue some rant about modern NASA being more wasteful w/o taking into account cost increases beyond inflation)
NASA requested 18.2B for 2012 and received 17.7B. The DOD got 683B, which was more than 8 times the next biggest government agency. This is on a total budget expenditure of $3.796T. So the DOD is 18% of the federal budget and NASA is 0.47%. BTW, yes 17.7B is real money, but it's absolute peanuts when looking at our total expenses. For those wondering, yes, the DOD has a budget more than 38x bigger than NASA's.
Cut that defense budget in half and give NASA an extra 100B for the rest of the decade and let's see what they could do on a real budget.
Federal 1963 budget: $111,316,000,000
NASA 1963 budget: $4,291,279
After inflation: $32,607,752.40
1963 NASA budget was .00386% of our expenses that year. (cue some rant about modern NASA being more wasteful w/o taking into account cost increases beyond inflation)
Oh come on here, Apple sells electronic gadgets and computers, it is really nothing special in the overall view of things. There are many companies and universities making real contributions to the betterment of humanity. Your statement is enough to turn stomachs in people with a wider view of the world.
Ask the people in Grenada what they think of the invasion. Or for that matter the people in Iraq. Frankly the world is suffering more from our lack of military intervention than because of it. There are many bad players out there right now leading to suffering by millions. Look at North Koreea, Syria, Eygpt, and a host of African countries where people suffer at the hands of their governments.
That would be totally assinine!! There is plenty of money in the budget for that sort of thing, it is called welfare!
That is complete BS.
More BS.
I don't think I've seen a more arrogant, right-wing, blind-minded post here on AI before…. ever.
Someone exposes a bit of idealism, and you trounce it with as much politicized cynicism as a person can muster?
NASA JPL + SpaceX Falcon Heavy = Human Colony On Mars 2025.
Time for the next stage. NASA + others need to start dropshipping habitats, propellant, return vehicles, etc. on Mars over the next 10 years, for the first human colony outside our planet circa 2025.
Then, start prepping for year 2100 ~ shoot for travel to stars as far away as 25 light years, then start colonising other Earth-like planets. This one won't be doing too well by 2100, let alone 2050.
Elon Musk talks about "keeping the light of consciousness burning".
By 2050 most of the population are not likely to have the standard of living the developed world currently enjoys. China will be dominant, the US still in the game but second to China.
PS I love Apple but my next focus work-wise will be mobile websites targeting iOS and Android. I was real keen on iPad only work but, well... Still love Apple. Mountain Lion, nice. Macs, great. MBP Retina, not killer for me. iPhone 5... I'll try my best to wait for iPhone 5S.
PPS Airport Express dual-band seems to be working really well so far. Got it today.
PPPS In the end Steve did what was once stuff of science fiction. He distributed and immersed his consciousness into multiple devices, multiple companies and so many things in the world, including ironically, Android.
This however is garbage. Last I knew NASA space based systems ran on one variant or another of a realtime operating system. Further many of the machines installed in mission control where Sun based machines.
during the 1990s (and prior), absolutely, as some realtime operating systems (RTOS) are / were available on the SPARC architecture. migration to other OSes, especially Linux, has been going on for quite some time, however.
Pandering for some recognition? Sorry, but your broad generality just doesn't wash from my direct experiences.
Well I wish you would share some of those experiences, because to me they seem almost exclusively focussed on the consumer market. Certainly less pro than they were a few years ago.
It's nice to see the macs slowly taking over the world. But I'm also noticing a trend in movies and TV, where a Mac computer will have it's logo covered over. Two and a half men being the most up front example. Every time Ashton Kutcher is using one of his computers, there is a glaring sliver decal covering the Apple logo.
This logo sticker covering needs to stop.....
I have never watched the program but historically Hollywood et al almost exclusively show people using Macs (when the OS isn't obscured). The most notable exception being Jurassic Park which ran on Linux.
Perhaps the media types are no longer willing to offer Apple (quite so much) free advertising now that apple are loaded and no longer the David to the Goliath.
Mind you when has Hollywood ever bothered with being factually correct, then again when have the main stream US media? And when have the bulk of the populous of the USA wanted to give credit to anyone else?
NASA JPL + SpaceX Falcon Heavy = Human Colony On Mars 2025.
Time for the next stage. NASA + others need to start dropshipping habitats, propellant, return vehicles, etc. on Mars over the next 10 years, for the first human colony outside our planet circa 2025.
Then, start prepping for year 2100 ~ shoot for travel to stars as far away as 25 light years, then start colonising other Earth-like planets. This one won't be doing too well by 2100, let alone 2050.
Until someone insists on the right to carry arms and everyone dies....
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Originally Posted by jragosta
While I agree that NASA serves a useful purpose and that we spend far too much money on the military, the rest is fairly histrionic. NASA's budget is $19 B this year. That's real money.
This does appear to be a huge amount of money to us. However...
NASA listed 2012 budget = $17.7 billion.
US TOTAL 2012 budget = $2,468.6 billion
17.7 / 2488.6 = 0.00717 or 0.717%
Not even 1% of the US Budget.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/nasa.pdf
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/receipts.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA
(while Wiki's budget number of 17.7 matches the official NASA budget numbers, I am not sure which number wiki used for the total budget to get 0.48%, or maybe I used the wrong number. Either way both come out to less than 1% of the US budget. Historically, NASA's percentage of the budget has been this low, with the exception of a small spike in the 1960s... which should be obvious and expected. Yet even will that little of the budget it accomplishes so much. It additionally spawns so much more economically, creating new inventions, products/materials, fields, technologies and industries, which of course spawn more jobs and a greater economy)
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Originally Posted by SSquirrel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_federal_budget#Total_outlays_by_agency
NASA requested 18.2B for 2012 and received 17.7B. The DOD got 683B, which was more than 8 times the next biggest government agency. This is on a total budget expenditure of $3.796T. So the DOD is 18% of the federal budget and NASA is 0.47%. BTW, yes 17.7B is real money, but it's absolute peanuts when looking at our total expenses. For those wondering, yes, the DOD has a budget more than 38x bigger than NASA's.
Cut that defense budget in half and give NASA an extra 100B for the rest of the decade and let's see what they could do on a real budget.
Federal 1963 budget: $111,316,000,000
NASA 1963 budget: $4,291,279
After inflation: $32,607,752.40
1963 NASA budget was .00386% of our expenses that year. (cue some rant about modern NASA being more wasteful w/o taking into account cost increases beyond inflation)
Historic budget info and calculator:
http://federal-budget.findthedata.org/l/65/1963
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-4214/app2.html
http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm/
OOPS, I posted my response before seeing you had already beaten me to it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SSquirrel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_federal_budget#Total_outlays_by_agency
NASA requested 18.2B for 2012 and received 17.7B. The DOD got 683B, which was more than 8 times the next biggest government agency. This is on a total budget expenditure of $3.796T. So the DOD is 18% of the federal budget and NASA is 0.47%. BTW, yes 17.7B is real money, but it's absolute peanuts when looking at our total expenses. For those wondering, yes, the DOD has a budget more than 38x bigger than NASA's.
Cut that defense budget in half and give NASA an extra 100B for the rest of the decade and let's see what they could do on a real budget.
Federal 1963 budget: $111,316,000,000
NASA 1963 budget: $4,291,279
After inflation: $32,607,752.40
1963 NASA budget was .00386% of our expenses that year. (cue some rant about modern NASA being more wasteful w/o taking into account cost increases beyond inflation)
Historic budget info and calculator:
http://federal-budget.findthedata.org/l/65/1963
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-4214/app2.html
http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm/
OOPS, I posted my response before seeing you had already beaten me to it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SSquirrel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_federal_budget#Total_outlays_by_agency
NASA requested 18.2B for 2012 and received 17.7B. The DOD got 683B, which was more than 8 times the next biggest government agency. This is on a total budget expenditure of $3.796T. So the DOD is 18% of the federal budget and NASA is 0.47%. BTW, yes 17.7B is real money, but it's absolute peanuts when looking at our total expenses. For those wondering, yes, the DOD has a budget more than 38x bigger than NASA's.
Cut that defense budget in half and give NASA an extra 100B for the rest of the decade and let's see what they could do on a real budget.
Federal 1963 budget: $111,316,000,000
NASA 1963 budget: $4,291,279
After inflation: $32,607,752.40
1963 NASA budget was .00386% of our expenses that year. (cue some rant about modern NASA being more wasteful w/o taking into account cost increases beyond inflation)
Historic budget info and calculator:
http://federal-budget.findthedata.org/l/65/1963
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-4214/app2.html
http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm/
OOPS, I posted my response before seeing you had already beaten me to it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SSquirrel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_federal_budget#Total_outlays_by_agency
NASA requested 18.2B for 2012 and received 17.7B. The DOD got 683B, which was more than 8 times the next biggest government agency. This is on a total budget expenditure of $3.796T. So the DOD is 18% of the federal budget and NASA is 0.47%. BTW, yes 17.7B is real money, but it's absolute peanuts when looking at our total expenses. For those wondering, yes, the DOD has a budget more than 38x bigger than NASA's.
Cut that defense budget in half and give NASA an extra 100B for the rest of the decade and let's see what they could do on a real budget.
Federal 1963 budget: $111,316,000,000
NASA 1963 budget: $4,291,279
After inflation: $32,607,752.40
1963 NASA budget was .00386% of our expenses that year. (cue some rant about modern NASA being more wasteful w/o taking into account cost increases beyond inflation)
Historic budget info and calculator:
http://federal-budget.findthedata.org/l/65/1963
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-4214/app2.html
http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm/
Oops, I submitted a similar post before seeing that you had already beaten my to it.
A nod to NASA and Apple http://tmblr.co/ZpcMauQw6w1C Please share.
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Originally Posted by wizard69
Oh come on here, Apple sells electronic gadgets and computers, it is really nothing special in the overall view of things. There are many companies and universities making real contributions to the betterment of humanity. Your statement is enough to turn stomachs in people with a wider view of the world.
Ask the people in Grenada what they think of the invasion. Or for that matter the people in Iraq. Frankly the world is suffering more from our lack of military intervention than because of it. There are many bad players out there right now leading to suffering by millions. Look at North Koreea, Syria, Eygpt, and a host of African countries where people suffer at the hands of their governments.
That would be totally assinine!! There is plenty of money in the budget for that sort of thing, it is called welfare!
That is complete BS.
More BS.
I don't think I've seen a more arrogant, right-wing, blind-minded post here on AI before…. ever.
Someone exposes a bit of idealism, and you trounce it with as much politicized cynicism as a person can muster?
Wearying… truly.
It's ok, I replied to him in post #103 and he hasn't responded yet. Hopefully he's busy reading some Johnson or mulling it all over.
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Time for the next stage. NASA + others need to start dropshipping habitats, propellant, return vehicles, etc. on Mars over the next 10 years, for the first human colony outside our planet circa 2025.
Then, start prepping for year 2100 ~ shoot for travel to stars as far away as 25 light years, then start colonising other Earth-like planets. This one won't be doing too well by 2100, let alone 2050.
Elon Musk talks about "keeping the light of consciousness burning".
By 2050 most of the population are not likely to have the standard of living the developed world currently enjoys. China will be dominant, the US still in the game but second to China.
PS
I love Apple but my next focus work-wise will be mobile websites targeting iOS and Android. I was real keen on iPad only work but, well... Still love Apple. Mountain Lion, nice. Macs, great. MBP Retina, not killer for me. iPhone 5... I'll try my best to wait for iPhone 5S.
PPS
Airport Express dual-band seems to be working really well so far. Got it today.
PPPS
In the end Steve did what was once stuff of science fiction. He distributed and immersed his consciousness into multiple devices, multiple companies and so many things in the world, including ironically, Android.
Quote:
Originally Posted by wizard69
This however is garbage. Last I knew NASA space based systems ran on one variant or another of a realtime operating system. Further many of the machines installed in mission control where Sun based machines.
during the 1990s (and prior), absolutely, as some realtime operating systems (RTOS) are / were available on the SPARC architecture. migration to other OSes, especially Linux, has been going on for quite some time, however.
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Originally Posted by Steven N.
Nope. Of the dozen or so aerospace systems I have worked, Linux has never even once been remotely considered for flight control based software
i never said flight control based software; not too sure to what statement (and from whom) you were responding.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
What a childish thing to say.
What a small thing to say.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer
Pandering for some recognition? Sorry, but your broad generality just doesn't wash from my direct experiences.
Well I wish you would share some of those experiences, because to me they seem almost exclusively focussed on the consumer market. Certainly less pro than they were a few years ago.
The mars rover will be fine, as long as howard wolowitz doesnt try to impress any girls
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Originally Posted by Maecvs
It's nice to see the macs slowly taking over the world. But I'm also noticing a trend in movies and TV, where a Mac computer will have it's logo covered over. Two and a half men being the most up front example. Every time Ashton Kutcher is using one of his computers, there is a glaring sliver decal covering the Apple logo.
This logo sticker covering needs to stop.....
I have never watched the program but historically Hollywood et al almost exclusively show people using Macs (when the OS isn't obscured). The most notable exception being Jurassic Park which ran on Linux.
Perhaps the media types are no longer willing to offer Apple (quite so much) free advertising now that apple are loaded and no longer the David to the Goliath.
Mind you when has Hollywood ever bothered with being factually correct, then again when have the main stream US media? And when have the bulk of the populous of the USA wanted to give credit to anyone else?
Quote:
Originally Posted by sr2012
NASA JPL + SpaceX Falcon Heavy = Human Colony On Mars 2025.
Time for the next stage. NASA + others need to start dropshipping habitats, propellant, return vehicles, etc. on Mars over the next 10 years, for the first human colony outside our planet circa 2025.
Then, start prepping for year 2100 ~ shoot for travel to stars as far away as 25 light years, then start colonising other Earth-like planets. This one won't be doing too well by 2100, let alone 2050.
Until someone insists on the right to carry arms and everyone dies....