Would they then need a third event to roll out the new iMac and Mac Mini computers? Seems like a lot of events in a rather short period of time. The whole point of staggering events is to allow everyone to focus on the new devices before announcing another batch of products. I think that the iPad Mini is similar enough to the iPhone to talk about them at one event. I am not sure if there even will be an iPod touch if the iPad Mini costs about the same price. That just leaves the Nano. Three iOS devices at one event seems fine to me. Then they could do a small event in October for the desktop computer refresh.
The iPhone is responsible for almost half of Apple's income. By itself it is a larger business than the totality of Microsoft. Surely it would be important enough to have it's own event.
The iPad is also huge. By itself it is a larger business than all of Mac and all of iPod.
I think we all haven't quite gotten our heads around the enormity of these products even though the whole product line can be put on a small table.
3D glasses are about $200 for some televisions, also touch screen remotes are on average the same price as well. IF Apple releases an HDTV, do you really think they would package it with some clunky, wand like device, like the common remote? Don't shoot down an idea without looking into all of the possibilities. An "iPad Mini" seems exactly like a device that would be paired with an Apple branded television.
... And if you aren't interested in them in the first place, what do you care if there is an iPad mini or not?
Sounds like pure selfishness to me.
I am asking myself the same question. Some people seems to freak out at the idea of Apple launching some product they don't like. I don't need an ipad mini, but I sure understand there is a big market for it and the more devices Apple makes the more devices with the Apple ecosystem. With the volume Apple makes they are still going to have margins on all those products. Apple is way to dependent on the iPhone with 50% of there profit, they need to diversified income.
The next war is going to be about ecosystem's. Apple absolutely must enter the TV market and the sooner the better. With people buying good's in the ecosystem, it locks them in, especially with content moving into the cloud and being streamable for life at no additional cost. We don't need to manage content now, interesting time we live in.
These people sure are desperate for an iPad mini to be made so they don't sound like complete idiots, aren't they?
I would have thought the iPhone nano would have made them think long and hard about weird ideas like that long ago.
Most people who want the iPad Mini aren't desperate... I want one because the current iPad is just too big... I want the same thing slightly smaller. I don't give a *#(*$ what other companies are using for sizes... its not about copying them. So many people are against it just because they think its "copying" some other company...
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Originally Posted by BuffyzDead
Ha !!
This adds fuel to my prediction that we will not see an iPad Mini.
The rumors will start to back-track and break down. This "blog" by Dalrymple is the beginning.
The Next Generation iPod Touch!!! .....Yes
an iPad Mini,
Never
...Next
If they release a fully functional iPad at 7.85 inches, and they are STUPID enough to name it "iPod Touch" then I doubt I'll ever be buying another iOS device again. There is no reason to make a device just like an iPad at that size and either limit it down in functionality, or be stupid enough to use a stupid name for it when "iPad" is the buzz. Even if it is just an iPod Touch, they'll sell better by putting the iPad name on it.
Did I say anything about "knowing" they're not making one? I said it's a horrible idea. I implied that I don't like the idea. But am I completely certain they won't make one? Not anymore.
You have been adamant that Apple will not make an iPad mini. I mean, table-pounding "Tally knows all" adamant. So, "hat eating" will certainly be required if Apple does introduce a smaller iPad.
Most people who want the iPad Mini aren't desperate... I want one because the current iPad is just too big... I want the same thing slightly smaller. I don't give a *#(*$ what other companies are using for sizes... its not about copying them. So many people are against it just because they think its "copying" some other company...
If they release a fully functional iPad at 7.85 inches, and they are STUPID enough to name it "iPod Touch" then I doubt I'll ever be buying another iOS device again. There is no reason to make a device just like an iPad at that size and either limit it down in functionality, or be stupid enough to use a stupid name for it when "iPad" is the buzz. Even if it is just an iPod Touch, they'll sell better by putting the iPad name on it.
Same here. I want the cell service, memory, power, screen resolution same as the regular iPad, just smaller. iPod advocates are mostly adolescents. The iPod line up was designed for adolescents which is why the price points and features are scaled down. Sure a few adults use them for the gym but I don't think you can extrapolate Apple's historical strategy with iPods to argue that the an iPad mini would be less functional in order to be less expensive than a regular iPad. I feel the only logical iPad mini product would be just smaller and not really any less expensive and certainly not less functional, but then my reasoning may be affected by my own desire for the full iPad quality in a smaller size.
Who the heck is Gruber? Does he work for Apple? Is this just conjecture? They'll announce what they announce and that's what they'll announce.
I'm sure they'll announce what they are ready to announce and that's what announcements are for.
Why even post that conjecture? I think they are going to announce whatever they are going to announce at the next announcement and I'll be more accurate than ANYONE else's predictions. Why? Because I know as much as anyone else other than APPLE at what they are going to announce at their next announcement. Gruber or anyone else for that matter.
We can THINK we know more but most of the projections on the WWDC announcement weren't 100% accurate, were they? NO.
Makes sense to have a separate event for smaller iPad (or bigger iPod touch)and perhaps an update to the Nano? I'm sure Apple wants the iPhone event to be all about iPhones.
You have been adamant that Apple will not make an iPad mini. I mean, table-pounding "Tally knows all" adamant. So, "hat eating" will certainly be required if Apple does introduce a smaller iPad.
And what happens when we get an Apple television set.
I think this is ridiculous speculation from all the usual Kings of navel gazing. I don't know why I bother reading blogs/tweets from these guys. Half the time Gruber has his distortion field turned on so hard about web technologies and pushing "allies" sites, it gets so old.
Then every once in awhile they stumble upon a real tidbit.
This isn't one of those moments.
This is completely nonsense... ok maybe they could and will have a separate event. BUt this is what Apple always does.
Lets not forget that there hasn't been a Mac Pro update yet, there hasn't been a new Retina iMac/Cinema Display update yet.
So lets count the current unfulfilled rumors...
Iphone 5
iPad mini ( no it's not going to be called the iPad Air, Gruber, get over yourself )
the iPod Nano
The iPod touch
new Retina iMacs
New Retina Cinema Display
New Mac Pros
Basically their entire product line.
Since the iPad3 hasn't even been out a full year, and the Mac Pros, and everything else have been lagging for some time now, don't you think it's very likely there will be two events...
Like late October/Early November? Like Apple ALWAYS does?
Of course some people may think I'm just splitting hairs here... sure they're will be two events, but that's not necessarily about iPad stealing anything.
Iphones are *always* their own event.
Apple hasn't made a CInema display in a LONG time. The MacPro gets released next year, per TIm Cooks announcement.
Here are the products I anticipate will be released this year.
iPhone 5 or whatever they are going to call it.
iPods whatever new models will be released.
iMacs Current inventories are running down, which is typical right before a refresh
Mac Mini I'm not sure what the current inventories are, but this one needs a new processor, faster RAM, SSD upgrade.
iPad mini (I think they should announce one if they can, but no advanced photos have been released like the iPhone photos)
New Apple TV? I'm not sure about that.
Apple Television? I'm not 100% convinced about that, maybe next year in some form. Apple has three directions they can go with the TV products and in any combination.
They can have a variety of set top boxes with a variety of features, they can OEM a motherboard to various TV mfg to co-brand an Apple Television, or they can come out with their own branded Television, OR ANY COMBINATION.
You have been adamant that Apple will not make an iPad mini. I mean, table-pounding "Tally knows all" adamant. So, "hat eating" will certainly be required if Apple does introduce a smaller iPad.
Again, no. I fail to see why I would express anything but continued, vociferous disapproval thereof if the product is released, given that when ludicrous products aren't released, no one who stood behind them is made to account for anything.
Originally Posted by drblank
Apple hasn't made a CInema display in a LONG time.
"Currently" is "hasn't in a LONG time"? They not only still sell brand new 27" Cinema Displays, I imagine they still make them, as well.
If they release a fully functional iPad at 7.85 inches, and they are STUPID enough to name it "iPod Touch" then I doubt I'll ever be buying another iOS device again. There is no reason to make a device just like an iPad at that size and either limit it down in functionality, or be stupid enough to use a stupid name for it when "iPad" is the buzz. Even if it is just an iPod Touch, they'll sell better by putting the iPad name on it.
Now that has to be the most inane reason for NOT buying a product. Because of the name ???
I do recall how scores of commentators were in sheer disbelief, and proclaimed & predicted that Apple would Never have any success, with a product named: iPad.
How the name connoted a sanitary napkin. How the name was a joke and how Apple had completely screwed up !!! ........Now iPad is the "buzz word" ??
While the name is important, it's Not important because it will create demand. Only an excellent product creates demand. For example, the iPad.
The name can be Important though, because as a result of the success of a great product, the Name immediately symbolizes and implies, the quality of the brand.
IF Apples next Big Product were to be called iTurd, and it sold 100 million units in it's first three years, iTurd would be the "buzz word".
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My original comment was just my humble prediction.
I still maintain that Apple will not be releasing a product called iPad Mini
I predict that **IF** this "smaller than an iPad, but bigger than the current iPod Touch **RUMOR** ", that is going around comes to fruition,
Apple will call it, The Next Generation iPod Touch.
Would they then need a third event to roll out the new iMac and Mac Mini computers?.
Who says there will be an event. Now that they had one for the notion of a retina display, ODD free, all SSD drive, slimmer computer there's little reason for a big to do.
Now that they had one for the notion of a retina display, ODD free, all SSD drive, slimmer computer there's little reason for a big to do.
Besides, if the keynote screen isn't even 2880x1800, it's certainly not going to be 5120x2880!
Apple really needs to put in a custom Super Hi-Vision projector in the conference room they're building at… what're they gonna call their new site? Infinite Loop 2? I know they already have a 2 Infinite Loop, but they've been dropping a "2" after feature/product names these days.
First one to say "the new Infinite Loop" gets an emoji I've never used right up his… post. ????
Seriously, what do you call the largest office building on the planet? Ah, I have it:
The Omnigon. That'll show those five-sided posers on the East Coast what for! They'll have better security, too.
That is a very big if which has been back pedalled now to 2014. If it happens, and frankly I'm thinking no, Apple might not put any type of remote in the box. If folks don't have an iPhone or iPad in the house they can buy one or that dinky silver one.
But more likely they will be using here one that came with their apple tv black box connected to their Sony, Samsung or perhaps, and I think on the money, larger than 27 inch retina quality, hdmi compatible Cinema Display.
So you are interested in an unremarkable update to one of Apple's least popular product lines, but steadfastly against a new product being added to their most popular product line? And if you aren't interested in them in the first place, what do you care if there is an iPad mini or not?
Sounds like pure selfishness to me.
Genuinely, I am Not Against Apple releasing Anything !!...Specially if what they release, has great success!! ...I own Apple Stock. So if I am selfish about anything, it's that my puny few hundred shares, continue to climb !!
My original comment said Nothing about being, or Not being interested, in this RUMORED product. ....BTW, I own an iPad 2 and love it.
And if this RUMORED "smaller than an iPad product" does get released, I expect that it can have great success.
Mainly, because one might expect that it would have a lower entry-level price point, and still be a Quality Apple product.
For example, I'd buy a kid The Next Generation iPod Touch, before spending the $$$ on the iPad 3 or 4. So apparently, even I have some interest, in this RUMORED product.
I was just making a humble prediction that Apple won't name it iPad Mini, that's all.
I'm betting that IF this release is real, Apple will name it The Next Generation iPod Touch.
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Originally Posted by GrangerFX
Would they then need a third event to roll out the new iMac and Mac Mini computers? Seems like a lot of events in a rather short period of time. The whole point of staggering events is to allow everyone to focus on the new devices before announcing another batch of products. I think that the iPad Mini is similar enough to the iPhone to talk about them at one event. I am not sure if there even will be an iPod touch if the iPad Mini costs about the same price. That just leaves the Nano. Three iOS devices at one event seems fine to me. Then they could do a small event in October for the desktop computer refresh.
The iPhone is responsible for almost half of Apple's income. By itself it is a larger business than the totality of Microsoft. Surely it would be important enough to have it's own event.
The iPad is also huge. By itself it is a larger business than all of Mac and all of iPod.
I think we all haven't quite gotten our heads around the enormity of these products even though the whole product line can be put on a small table.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
... And if you aren't interested in them in the first place, what do you care if there is an iPad mini or not?
Sounds like pure selfishness to me.
I am asking myself the same question. Some people seems to freak out at the idea of Apple launching some product they don't like. I don't need an ipad mini, but I sure understand there is a big market for it and the more devices Apple makes the more devices with the Apple ecosystem. With the volume Apple makes they are still going to have margins on all those products. Apple is way to dependent on the iPhone with 50% of there profit, they need to diversified income.
The next war is going to be about ecosystem's. Apple absolutely must enter the TV market and the sooner the better. With people buying good's in the ecosystem, it locks them in, especially with content moving into the cloud and being streamable for life at no additional cost. We don't need to manage content now, interesting time we live in.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Seems exactly like something Apple wouldn't do.
These people sure are desperate for an iPad mini to be made so they don't sound like complete idiots, aren't they?
I would have thought the iPhone nano would have made them think long and hard about weird ideas like that long ago.
Most people who want the iPad Mini aren't desperate... I want one because the current iPad is just too big... I want the same thing slightly smaller. I don't give a *#(*$ what other companies are using for sizes... its not about copying them. So many people are against it just because they think its "copying" some other company...
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Originally Posted by BuffyzDead
Ha !!
This adds fuel to my prediction that we will not see an iPad Mini.
The rumors will start to back-track and break down. This "blog" by Dalrymple is the beginning.
The Next Generation iPod Touch!!! .....Yes
an iPad Mini,
Never
...Next
If they release a fully functional iPad at 7.85 inches, and they are STUPID enough to name it "iPod Touch" then I doubt I'll ever be buying another iOS device again. There is no reason to make a device just like an iPad at that size and either limit it down in functionality, or be stupid enough to use a stupid name for it when "iPad" is the buzz. Even if it is just an iPod Touch, they'll sell better by putting the iPad name on it.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Did I say anything about "knowing" they're not making one? I said it's a horrible idea. I implied that I don't like the idea. But am I completely certain they won't make one? Not anymore.
You have been adamant that Apple will not make an iPad mini. I mean, table-pounding "Tally knows all" adamant. So, "hat eating" will certainly be required if Apple does introduce a smaller iPad.
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Originally Posted by doh123
Most people who want the iPad Mini aren't desperate... I want one because the current iPad is just too big... I want the same thing slightly smaller. I don't give a *#(*$ what other companies are using for sizes... its not about copying them. So many people are against it just because they think its "copying" some other company...
If they release a fully functional iPad at 7.85 inches, and they are STUPID enough to name it "iPod Touch" then I doubt I'll ever be buying another iOS device again. There is no reason to make a device just like an iPad at that size and either limit it down in functionality, or be stupid enough to use a stupid name for it when "iPad" is the buzz. Even if it is just an iPod Touch, they'll sell better by putting the iPad name on it.
Same here. I want the cell service, memory, power, screen resolution same as the regular iPad, just smaller. iPod advocates are mostly adolescents. The iPod line up was designed for adolescents which is why the price points and features are scaled down. Sure a few adults use them for the gym but I don't think you can extrapolate Apple's historical strategy with iPods to argue that the an iPad mini would be less functional in order to be less expensive than a regular iPad. I feel the only logical iPad mini product would be just smaller and not really any less expensive and certainly not less functional, but then my reasoning may be affected by my own desire for the full iPad quality in a smaller size.
Who the heck is Gruber? Does he work for Apple? Is this just conjecture? They'll announce what they announce and that's what they'll announce.
I'm sure they'll announce what they are ready to announce and that's what announcements are for.
Why even post that conjecture? I think they are going to announce whatever they are going to announce at the next announcement and I'll be more accurate than ANYONE else's predictions. Why? Because I know as much as anyone else other than APPLE at what they are going to announce at their next announcement. Gruber or anyone else for that matter.
We can THINK we know more but most of the projections on the WWDC announcement weren't 100% accurate, were they? NO.
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Originally Posted by huntercr
I think this is ridiculous speculation from all the usual Kings of navel gazing. I don't know why I bother reading blogs/tweets from these guys. Half the time Gruber has his distortion field turned on so hard about web technologies and pushing "allies" sites, it gets so old.
Then every once in awhile they stumble upon a real tidbit.
This isn't one of those moments.
This is completely nonsense... ok maybe they could and will have a separate event. BUt this is what Apple always does.
Lets not forget that there hasn't been a Mac Pro update yet, there hasn't been a new Retina iMac/Cinema Display update yet.
So lets count the current unfulfilled rumors...
Iphone 5
iPad mini ( no it's not going to be called the iPad Air, Gruber, get over yourself )
the iPod Nano
The iPod touch
new Retina iMacs
New Retina Cinema Display
New Mac Pros
Basically their entire product line.
Since the iPad3 hasn't even been out a full year, and the Mac Pros, and everything else have been lagging for some time now, don't you think it's very likely there will be two events...
Like late October/Early November? Like Apple ALWAYS does?
Of course some people may think I'm just splitting hairs here... sure they're will be two events, but that's not necessarily about iPad stealing anything.
Iphones are *always* their own event.
Apple hasn't made a CInema display in a LONG time. The MacPro gets released next year, per TIm Cooks announcement.
Here are the products I anticipate will be released this year.
iPhone 5 or whatever they are going to call it.
iPods whatever new models will be released.
iMacs Current inventories are running down, which is typical right before a refresh
Mac Mini I'm not sure what the current inventories are, but this one needs a new processor, faster RAM, SSD upgrade.
iPad mini (I think they should announce one if they can, but no advanced photos have been released like the iPhone photos)
New Apple TV? I'm not sure about that.
Apple Television? I'm not 100% convinced about that, maybe next year in some form. Apple has three directions they can go with the TV products and in any combination.
They can have a variety of set top boxes with a variety of features, they can OEM a motherboard to various TV mfg to co-brand an Apple Television, or they can come out with their own branded Television, OR ANY COMBINATION.
Originally Posted by AppleGreen
You have been adamant that Apple will not make an iPad mini. I mean, table-pounding "Tally knows all" adamant. So, "hat eating" will certainly be required if Apple does introduce a smaller iPad.
Again, no. I fail to see why I would express anything but continued, vociferous disapproval thereof if the product is released, given that when ludicrous products aren't released, no one who stood behind them is made to account for anything.
Originally Posted by drblank
Apple hasn't made a CInema display in a LONG time.
"Currently" is "hasn't in a LONG time"? They not only still sell brand new 27" Cinema Displays, I imagine they still make them, as well.
If they release a fully functional iPad at 7.85 inches, and they are STUPID enough to name it "iPod Touch" then I doubt I'll ever be buying another iOS device again. There is no reason to make a device just like an iPad at that size and either limit it down in functionality, or be stupid enough to use a stupid name for it when "iPad" is the buzz. Even if it is just an iPod Touch, they'll sell better by putting the iPad name on it.
Now that has to be the most inane reason for NOT buying a product. Because of the name ???
I do recall how scores of commentators were in sheer disbelief, and proclaimed & predicted that Apple would Never have any success, with a product named: iPad.
How the name connoted a sanitary napkin. How the name was a joke and how Apple had completely screwed up !!! ........Now iPad is the "buzz word" ??
While the name is important, it's Not important because it will create demand. Only an excellent product creates demand. For example, the iPad.
The name can be Important though, because as a result of the success of a great product, the Name immediately symbolizes and implies, the quality of the brand.
IF Apples next Big Product were to be called iTurd, and it sold 100 million units in it's first three years, iTurd would be the "buzz word".
______
My original comment was just my humble prediction.
I still maintain that Apple will not be releasing a product called iPad Mini
I predict that **IF** this "smaller than an iPad, but bigger than the current iPod Touch **RUMOR** ", that is going around comes to fruition,
Apple will call it, The Next Generation iPod Touch.
OR
iTouch
Who says there will be an event. Now that they had one for the notion of a retina display, ODD free, all SSD drive, slimmer computer there's little reason for a big to do.
Originally Posted by charlituna
Now that they had one for the notion of a retina display, ODD free, all SSD drive, slimmer computer there's little reason for a big to do.
Besides, if the keynote screen isn't even 2880x1800, it's certainly not going to be 5120x2880!
Apple really needs to put in a custom Super Hi-Vision projector in the conference room they're building at… what're they gonna call their new site? Infinite Loop 2? I know they already have a 2 Infinite Loop, but they've been dropping a "2" after feature/product names these days.
First one to say "the new Infinite Loop" gets an emoji I've never used right up his… post. ????
Seriously, what do you call the largest office building on the planet? Ah, I have it:
The Omnigon. That'll show those five-sided posers on the East Coast what for! They'll have better security, too.
Jim Dalrymple is out of his mind if he believes this obviously fake story. Probably just got his secret Apple insider fired.
Gruber and Dalrymple
Two puds in a pod.
Shaking hands with every Mister Johnson in Cupertino's bars to get some hot action for their "prognostications".
They are right about what is plainly obvious most of the time.
That is a very big if which has been back pedalled now to 2014. If it happens, and frankly I'm thinking no, Apple might not put any type of remote in the box. If folks don't have an iPhone or iPad in the house they can buy one or that dinky silver one.
But more likely they will be using here one that came with their apple tv black box connected to their Sony, Samsung or perhaps, and I think on the money, larger than 27 inch retina quality, hdmi compatible Cinema Display.
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Seriously, what do you call the largest office building on the planet? Ah, I have it:
The Omnigon. That'll show those five-sided posers on the East Coast what for! They'll have better security, too.
The Thunderdome?
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
So you are interested in an unremarkable update to one of Apple's least popular product lines, but steadfastly against a new product being added to their most popular product line? And if you aren't interested in them in the first place, what do you care if there is an iPad mini or not?
Sounds like pure selfishness to me.
Genuinely, I am Not Against Apple releasing Anything !!...Specially if what they release, has great success!! ...I own Apple Stock. So if I am selfish about anything, it's that my puny few hundred shares, continue to climb !!
My original comment said Nothing about being, or Not being interested, in this RUMORED product. ....BTW, I own an iPad 2 and love it.
And if this RUMORED "smaller than an iPad product" does get released, I expect that it can have great success.
Mainly, because one might expect that it would have a lower entry-level price point, and still be a Quality Apple product.
For example, I'd buy a kid The Next Generation iPod Touch, before spending the $$$ on the iPad 3 or 4. So apparently, even I have some interest, in this RUMORED product.
I was just making a humble prediction that Apple won't name it iPad Mini, that's all.
I'm betting that IF this release is real, Apple will name it The Next Generation iPod Touch.
OR
iTouch
The math, as defined by Apple, doesn't pan out that a retina iMac would be that size, at least not if it stays at 27 inches.
The math works out to something like a 13% increase in pixels.