42,000/hour ... 12 per second from the apple from the manufacturing loading dock to your doorstep. The skies will be black with 747s over China and Memphis.
If they plan a run rate of 8Million/month (24 Million a quarter, or 2/3rds next years sell through rate), then you can consider that they can build 4 million From Sept 12-27. They have to stock pile 6Million prior to that, which is 3 weeks worth.
The manufacturing is doable. The delivery Logisitics (just boxing and labeling them) is the crazy part.
A lot of those will already be transported to Apple's own distribution centers for the inventories at retail locations. They seem mostly to ship the individual preorders direct from China. Still, one can't help but be impressed by what they are able to handle logistics-wise.
Would you drop the nonsense about the bezels? How are you supposed to hold a phone safely without bezels?
I hold it on my palm and control with a thumb like this:
I need no bezel with this grip.
My thumb comfortably reaches an entire area of the bottom bezel but barely reached the top bezel that is why I believe that longer case is a bad idea and wasted space at the bottom is a terribly bad idea.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Where are the speaker and front-facing camera supposed to go?
Once the technology allows, these will surely fit at the top rounded portion of the case, just look at the back panel of the iPhone-5 and imagine that the center panel is a display. Wasted space would be minimal. Unfortunately not this time.
'iPhone 5' sales could reach 10 million this quarter
I'll see your 10 and raise you 5.
That sounds awfully high - that's 1.5 M per day for the first 10 days - and availability will almost certainly be the limiting factor. Unless you have some inside information on availability, your guess sounds way too optimistic.
The width of the rounded sections would be enough most of the times otherwise apps should just "virtualize" sufficient bezels depending on their use cases.
…apps should just "virtualize" sufficient bezels depending on their use cases.
… No. They're given the screen for a reason; they should be able to use the entire screen without compensating for a failing of the hardware. Do other phones have to do that?
… No. They're given the screen for a reason; they should be able to use the entire screen without compensating for a failing of the hardware. Do other phones have to do that?
Why not? The hardware (if capable) should not limit the apps.
It all depends on a use case:
Video players, photo frames - do no need bezels at all
Your example of a PSP-style landscape video game - may need thicker side bezels
A board game for two while the device is lying on a surface - no need for bezels
Browser in a portrait mode - no bezels please
E-book reader in a portrait mode - may need thicker side bezels for thumb hold
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Do other phones have to do that?
Is this a good indicator for not having a feature? Someone should be first.
Before iPhone, other phones did not do anything iPhone could do.
iPad Mini may potentially be a first iDevice with virtual bezels.
The hardware (if capable) should not limit the apps.
Exactly, which is why the bezels will stay.
iPad Mini may potentially be a first iDevice with virtual bezels.
Why would I want to develop for a screen that forces me to give up resolution for some apps while allowing me to have all of it for another, based on the use thereof?
That sounds awfully high - that's 1.5 M per day for the first 10 days - and availability will almost certainly be the limiting factor. Unless you have some inside information on availability, your guess sounds way too optimistic.
I was kind of kidding ... just getting caught up in the excitement /smile
Depends on when they record a sale. I could see 20 million sold in the first 10 days if Apple reports sales that include inventory build up by the carriers (VZ,ATT, Sprint) with the actual activation or upgrade occuring at a later date..
Pretty sure that Apple has always counted a sale as when a customer hands over the credit card/$$.
Why would I want to develop for a screen that forces me to give up resolution for some apps while allowing me to have all of it for another, based on the use thereof?
Sorry, but I think I lost you here.
Given that a hardware is capable of delivering edge-to-edge screen, it is a kind of piece of cake for a software to crop itself in a manner that will provide the best usability. This is something to be hand picked by developers according to their use cases.
How many per quarter would it have to be to outsell all previous iPhones combined as all the others have?
If they do 8 millions in the first weekend its going to be a good sign. Since apple revenue depends a lot on the iphone, lets hope it does well.
Apple needs more ipad growth to diversified its income. With an ipad mini, its possible next year apple will be more diversified. I dont like apple dependance on the iphone.
So they ought to make their Macs an unbeatable and unignorable (what's the real word there?) option for industry, enterprise, education, and home use.
That would be great. I would be happy to see apple gaining market shares while the pc industry continu to shrink. I see apple gaining more in education and consumer. Entreprise is going to be difficult.
But with education and consumers moving to mobile, the ipad is apple best bet in the long term.
That would be great. I would be happy to see apple gaining market shares while the pc industry continu to shrink. I see apple gaining more in education and consumer. Entreprise is going to be difficult.
But with education and consumers moving to mobile, the ipad is apple best bet in the long term.
Thing about tablets is they've saved the desktop. People will drop their laptops for tablets, but they'll then buy desktop computers for when they need more power than a tablet can provide. The iMac, Mac Mini, and Mac Pro are what Apple need to look at moving forward. I've said this for at least four years now.
If they release in mainland China at the same time, they should be able to do double last year's sales. The real question is if they could possibly have stocked enough units to hit that level of sales.
With Sharp dying and all the troubles with switching suppliers, I don't think Apple will have enough stock. So off-the-shelves, non-preorder wouldn't be available until after Feb 2013. I don't know if they can even deliver 10 million before Christmas.
Thing about tablets is they've saved the desktop. People will drop their laptops for tablets, but they'll then buy desktop computers for when they need more power than a tablet can provide. The iMac, Mac Mini, and Mac Pro are what Apple need to look at moving forward. I've said this for at least four years now.
And one PC for every individual will be things of the past, for one PC now enough to support the entire house?
Do we have enough 3GS owner holding out to get that sales number? The general opinion on this board says 4 and 4S owners will sit this one out and wait for iPhone 5S.
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Originally Posted by TheOtherGeoff
42,000/hour ... 12 per second from the apple from the manufacturing loading dock to your doorstep. The skies will be black with 747s over China and Memphis.
If they plan a run rate of 8Million/month (24 Million a quarter, or 2/3rds next years sell through rate), then you can consider that they can build 4 million From Sept 12-27. They have to stock pile 6Million prior to that, which is 3 weeks worth.
The manufacturing is doable. The delivery Logisitics (just boxing and labeling them) is the crazy part.
A lot of those will already be transported to Apple's own distribution centers for the inventories at retail locations. They seem mostly to ship the individual preorders direct from China. Still, one can't help but be impressed by what they are able to handle logistics-wise.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Would you drop the nonsense about the bezels? How are you supposed to hold a phone safely without bezels?
I hold it on my palm and control with a thumb like this:
I need no bezel with this grip.
My thumb comfortably reaches an entire area of the bottom bezel but barely reached the top bezel that is why I believe that longer case is a bad idea and wasted space at the bottom is a terribly bad idea.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Where are the speaker and front-facing camera supposed to go?
Once the technology allows, these will surely fit at the top rounded portion of the case, just look at the back panel of the iPhone-5 and imagine that the center panel is a display. Wasted space would be minimal. Unfortunately not this time.
Originally Posted by jason98
I hold it on my palm and control with a thumb like this: I need no bezel with this grip.
Sideways! In landscape, not portrait.
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Originally Posted by TheOtherGeoff
The skies will be black with 747s over China and Memphis.
And tears will be flowing like rivers in Seoul, S. Korea....
How many companies ship 10 million of anything anywhere in a week!? Of what?
Mind-boggling, if it comes to pass....
That sounds awfully high - that's 1.5 M per day for the first 10 days - and availability will almost certainly be the limiting factor. Unless you have some inside information on availability, your guess sounds way too optimistic.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Sideways! In landscape, not portrait.
The width of the rounded sections would be enough most of the times otherwise apps should just "virtualize" sufficient bezels depending on their use cases.
Originally Posted by jason98
…apps should just "virtualize" sufficient bezels depending on their use cases.
… No. They're given the screen for a reason; they should be able to use the entire screen without compensating for a failing of the hardware. Do other phones have to do that?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
… No. They're given the screen for a reason; they should be able to use the entire screen without compensating for a failing of the hardware. Do other phones have to do that?
Why not? The hardware (if capable) should not limit the apps.
It all depends on a use case:
Video players, photo frames - do no need bezels at all
Your example of a PSP-style landscape video game - may need thicker side bezels
A board game for two while the device is lying on a surface - no need for bezels
Browser in a portrait mode - no bezels please
E-book reader in a portrait mode - may need thicker side bezels for thumb hold
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Do other phones have to do that?
Is this a good indicator for not having a feature? Someone should be first.
Before iPhone, other phones did not do anything iPhone could do.
iPad Mini may potentially be a first iDevice with virtual bezels.
Originally Posted by jason98
The hardware (if capable) should not limit the apps.
Exactly, which is why the bezels will stay.
iPad Mini may potentially be a first iDevice with virtual bezels.
Why would I want to develop for a screen that forces me to give up resolution for some apps while allowing me to have all of it for another, based on the use thereof?
I was kind of kidding ... just getting caught up in the excitement /smile
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Originally Posted by Tech360
Depends on when they record a sale. I could see 20 million sold in the first 10 days if Apple reports sales that include inventory build up by the carriers (VZ,ATT, Sprint) with the actual activation or upgrade occuring at a later date..
Pretty sure that Apple has always counted a sale as when a customer hands over the credit card/$$.
Deliveries to retailers do not count as a sale.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Exactly, which is why the bezels will stay.
Why would I want to develop for a screen that forces me to give up resolution for some apps while allowing me to have all of it for another, based on the use thereof?
Sorry, but I think I lost you here.
Given that a hardware is capable of delivering edge-to-edge screen, it is a kind of piece of cake for a software to crop itself in a manner that will provide the best usability. This is something to be hand picked by developers according to their use cases.
If they do 8 millions in the first weekend its going to be a good sign. Since apple revenue depends a lot on the iphone, lets hope it does well.
Apple needs more ipad growth to diversified its income. With an ipad mini, its possible next year apple will be more diversified. I dont like apple dependance on the iphone.
Originally Posted by herbapou
I dont like apple dependance on the iphone.
So they ought to make their Macs an unbeatable and unignorable (what's the real word there?) option for industry, enterprise, education, and home use.
That would be great. I would be happy to see apple gaining market shares while the pc industry continu to shrink. I see apple gaining more in education and consumer. Entreprise is going to be difficult.
But with education and consumers moving to mobile, the ipad is apple best bet in the long term.
Originally Posted by herbapou
That would be great. I would be happy to see apple gaining market shares while the pc industry continu to shrink. I see apple gaining more in education and consumer. Entreprise is going to be difficult.
But with education and consumers moving to mobile, the ipad is apple best bet in the long term.
Thing about tablets is they've saved the desktop. People will drop their laptops for tablets, but they'll then buy desktop computers for when they need more power than a tablet can provide. The iMac, Mac Mini, and Mac Pro are what Apple need to look at moving forward. I've said this for at least four years now.
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Originally Posted by aaarrrgggh
...just not this year.
If they release in mainland China at the same time, they should be able to do double last year's sales. The real question is if they could possibly have stocked enough units to hit that level of sales.
With Sharp dying and all the troubles with switching suppliers, I don't think Apple will have enough stock. So off-the-shelves, non-preorder wouldn't be available until after Feb 2013. I don't know if they can even deliver 10 million before Christmas.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Thing about tablets is they've saved the desktop. People will drop their laptops for tablets, but they'll then buy desktop computers for when they need more power than a tablet can provide. The iMac, Mac Mini, and Mac Pro are what Apple need to look at moving forward. I've said this for at least four years now.
And one PC for every individual will be things of the past, for one PC now enough to support the entire house?
Do we have enough 3GS owner holding out to get that sales number? The general opinion on this board says 4 and 4S owners will sit this one out and wait for iPhone 5S.