its like when Apple announced a new laptop no one cares because no one is buying them 5% of the market 10 yrs ago and 5% today.
That's an interesting fact. It's not true. But interesting. Mac shares of new PC purchases have been on a significant growth trend. Not just growing, but growing share.
Sometimes I wonder if people even realize when they make stuff up, the effort of someone else to "fact check" the made up claim involves minimal effort.
Sometimes I wonder if people even realize when they make stuff up, the effort of someone else to "fact check" the made up claim involves minimal effort.
The less intelligent they sound, the less credible the lot of them seem. One particularly bad grade can tear down the entire average. I guess it's good in that regard, at least.
It's unlikely that either Nokia watchers (WP7/WP8) or Motorola Watchers (Android) would be affected by the Apple conference though. The only people who might care are those who might be swayed FROM Apple, and if that's the case I doubt a new iPhone will change their minds that much.
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Originally Posted by gordy
The 9/12 date was rumored for a long time. I think this was planned with the iPhone announcement in mind--of course, to attract Apple-haters with a fresh alternative. Kinda smart.
For people that have already made up their minds, you are right. However, for those who are unsure, the Apple announcement will drown out whatever noise Noko and Moto might have made, which will shorten the time their message will have impact.
The analyst mentions iCloud. Any idea how long it takes to restore a phone from an iCloud backup?
If you're talking about a totally wiped phone and include a lot of music and/or movies it may take a bit, but it can happen while you are using the phone.
There is never a good time to announce any iPhone competitor.
* A week before any new iPhone is announced:
Your brand new smartphone only has a week of media coverage before the iPhone flood. And even then, the media has one eye on iPhone rumors, mockups, component spy shots, and record sales forecasts.
* A week after any new iPhone is announced:
Too late. The media is busy analyzing the new iPhone's hardware, software, and content management features. (Because yes, content management is just as important as hardware / OS / apps, in case anyone hasn't noticed already.) There will be endless stories all about the new iPhone. And any story that mentions your brand new competing smartphone will compare it to iPhones new and old. Sorry. That's a fact of life now. iPhone is the benchmark by which all smartphones are measured. And measure they will.
So let's move your smartphone launch as far away as possible from the iPhone launch. 6 months away. That's March 2013. Oops. That will be just about the time that the "new iPad (4th gen)" will be hitting the stores. There will already have been a month of media attention on next-gen iPad rumors, mockups, premature case manufacturing runs, component supplier leaks, iOS feature leaks, and the lead-up to the actual new iPad announcement. Apple will be in the spotlight again. So maybe March isn't the best month to intro an iPhone competitor.
So how about 3 months before or after the iPhone announcement? Split the difference. How about 3 months after the iPhone announcement? Is that a good time? Nope. Announcing a smartphone in mid-December is too late to ride the holiday sales wave. OK, so how about 3 months before the iPhone announcement? Negative. That's June. Summer is the season of Apple's yearly WWDC event in San Francisco. When the next-gen iOS release will be announced and made available to developers. Your smartphone's OS will be up against next-gen iOS, with the inevitable rumors of next-gen iPhone hardware features. Oh, and yes, the next-gen iOS' content management infrastructure will be front and center too.
Speaking of which, how's your iCloud competitor going? Because if you don't have an extremely strong answer to iCloud, you might as well get out of the smartphone business and go back to selling Netbooks.
I think Moto dropped the ball big time. They could've been in the position Samsung is as far as sales go. The Droid was the first very popular Android phone, Moto should've built on that with much better looking phones. Had they chosen to release one high end device a year at a time in between iPhone releases they would probably be making a decent profit.
If you're going to release a new smartphone to directly compete against the iPhone, release it 6 weeks before the new iPhone. It gives you lead in time and eliminates many of those willing to buy your phone and who have been interested in the iPhone.
No, not everyone cares about the new Phone. But apparently some people compelled enough to obsessively spend their posting on a website dedicated to products they claim to not care for and despise. I feel pity for these kinds people, as I can't imagine a life so empty/angry/meaningless that joy is derived from this, instead of spending time posting about things they actually enjoy.
Good luck with that. Yes
No, not everyone cares about the new iPhone, but the number is a magnitude of exponential proportions that do care about the new iphone compared to ANY other phone.
Yes, you are correct about some people and their choice of forums to post to. I dont feel sorry for them though, they are just fscking idiots.
It won't matter. The problem with the 900 wasn't that its specs came up short. The problem is: that's all it was about: the specs. Gadget-lovers probably have these specs memorized, but it's not the way to sell a phone to consumers.
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Originally Posted by daylove22
its like when Apple announced a new laptop no one cares because no one is buying them 5% of the market 10 yrs ago and 5% today.
That's an interesting fact. It's not true. But interesting. Mac shares of new PC purchases have been on a significant growth trend. Not just growing, but growing share.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/connieguglielmo/2012/07/11/apple-mac-sales-up-or-down-a-tale-of-two-researchers/
Sometimes I wonder if people even realize when they make stuff up, the effort of someone else to "fact check" the made up claim involves minimal effort.
Originally Posted by focher
Sometimes I wonder if people even realize when they make stuff up, the effort of someone else to "fact check" the made up claim involves minimal effort.
The less intelligent they sound, the less credible the lot of them seem. One particularly bad grade can tear down the entire average. I guess it's good in that regard, at least.
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Originally Posted by icoco3
How does it feel to be all alone in the dark?? /s
He's not alone. Considering the market share, only 20-something% is interested into the iPhone 4sl.
"Only" here still represents a substantial number though. But 70-something% vastly exceeds that number. So, no, he's not alone. Sorry!
The analyst mentions iCloud. Any idea how long it takes to restore a phone from an iCloud backup?
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Originally Posted by jblanchard
It's unlikely that either Nokia watchers (WP7/WP8) or Motorola Watchers (Android) would be affected by the Apple conference though. The only people who might care are those who might be swayed FROM Apple, and if that's the case I doubt a new iPhone will change their minds that much.
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Originally Posted by gordy
The 9/12 date was rumored for a long time. I think this was planned with the iPhone announcement in mind--of course, to attract Apple-haters with a fresh alternative. Kinda smart.
For people that have already made up their minds, you are right. However, for those who are unsure, the Apple announcement will drown out whatever noise Noko and Moto might have made, which will shorten the time their message will have impact.
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Originally Posted by Unicron
The analyst mentions iCloud. Any idea how long it takes to restore a phone from an iCloud backup?
If you're talking about a totally wiped phone and include a lot of music and/or movies it may take a bit, but it can happen while you are using the phone.
I'm backing up about 250MB at iCloud. My home Internet is pretty slow, so this might take a while.
There is never a good time to announce any iPhone competitor.
* A week before any new iPhone is announced:
Your brand new smartphone only has a week of media coverage before the iPhone flood. And even then, the media has one eye on iPhone rumors, mockups, component spy shots, and record sales forecasts.
* A week after any new iPhone is announced:
Too late. The media is busy analyzing the new iPhone's hardware, software, and content management features. (Because yes, content management is just as important as hardware / OS / apps, in case anyone hasn't noticed already.) There will be endless stories all about the new iPhone. And any story that mentions your brand new competing smartphone will compare it to iPhones new and old. Sorry. That's a fact of life now. iPhone is the benchmark by which all smartphones are measured. And measure they will.
So let's move your smartphone launch as far away as possible from the iPhone launch. 6 months away. That's March 2013. Oops. That will be just about the time that the "new iPad (4th gen)" will be hitting the stores. There will already have been a month of media attention on next-gen iPad rumors, mockups, premature case manufacturing runs, component supplier leaks, iOS feature leaks, and the lead-up to the actual new iPad announcement. Apple will be in the spotlight again. So maybe March isn't the best month to intro an iPhone competitor.
So how about 3 months before or after the iPhone announcement? Split the difference. How about 3 months after the iPhone announcement? Is that a good time? Nope. Announcing a smartphone in mid-December is too late to ride the holiday sales wave. OK, so how about 3 months before the iPhone announcement? Negative. That's June. Summer is the season of Apple's yearly WWDC event in San Francisco. When the next-gen iOS release will be announced and made available to developers. Your smartphone's OS will be up against next-gen iOS, with the inevitable rumors of next-gen iPhone hardware features. Oh, and yes, the next-gen iOS' content management infrastructure will be front and center too.
Speaking of which, how's your iCloud competitor going? Because if you don't have an extremely strong answer to iCloud, you might as well get out of the smartphone business and go back to selling Netbooks.
If you're going to release a new smartphone to directly compete against the iPhone, release it 6 weeks before the new iPhone. It gives you lead in time and eliminates many of those willing to buy your phone and who have been interested in the iPhone.
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Originally Posted by Slurpy
No, not everyone cares about the new Phone. But apparently some people compelled enough to obsessively spend their posting on a website dedicated to products they claim to not care for and despise. I feel pity for these kinds people, as I can't imagine a life so empty/angry/meaningless that joy is derived from this, instead of spending time posting about things they actually enjoy.
Good luck with that. Yes
No, not everyone cares about the new iPhone, but the number is a magnitude of exponential proportions that do care about the new iphone compared to ANY other phone.
Yes, you are correct about some people and their choice of forums to post to. I dont feel sorry for them though, they are just fscking idiots.
Apparently both events were hugely anticlimactic. Which wouldn't be surprising in the least.
Those new Moto phones look like ass, by the way.
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Originally Posted by Blitz1
He's not alone. Considering the market share, only 20-something% is interested into the iPhone 4sl.
"Only" here still represents a substantial number though. But 70-something% vastly exceeds that number. So, no, he's not alone. Sorry!
Umm... in well-off countries like the US, the number is nowhere near 70%.
It approaches that only in places where iPhone availability is limited or nil, or where people can only afford Android phones.
Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Umm... in well-off countries like the US, the number is nowhere near 70%.
It approaches that only in places where iPhone availability is limited or nil, or where people can only afford Android phones.
That's why OS X still has "5%" marketshare worldwide when it has, what, more than 15% in the US and western Europe.
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Originally Posted by mcrs
Nokia Lumia 920 Specs:
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It won't matter. The problem with the 900 wasn't that its specs came up short. The problem is: that's all it was about: the specs. Gadget-lovers probably have these specs memorized, but it's not the way to sell a phone to consumers.