Interesting article. It's quite right in many respects. Apple has such a following and they know pretty much whatever phone they put out will still by the millions.. they don't need to outdo themselves... sadly.
I wish this phone would have been out a year ago. If history repeats itself, we'll see this one tomorrow, and in about a year we'll get the "S" version that is slightly beefed up... and won't see anything really "new" from apple in the way of a new phone for another 24 months.
Like the Galaxy S III is a slightly beefed up Galaxy S 2 which was a slightly beefed up Galaxy S?
Like that, you mean?
So how much will the Galaxy S IV "beef" up, will it be as "disappointing" as the Galaxy S III "beef up", will the media fill with another marketing beat up for the "beef up"?
Well, the biggest issue would be that the screen is only getting longer but not wider. Next would be that it looks almost exactly like the 4S except for the two-tone back. The bezel on the 4S looks huge compared to other phones and if the screen is truly not growing in width then it should be the same. I'm keeping my fingers crossed but we'll see tomorrow.
Really? The point is...if you were disappointed and feel you are going to be disappointed again...move on. Get whatever it is that makes you happy and stop making excuses like "It's a trap! Oh well, I'm stuck". Apple is going to do what Apple thinks is best for Apple. People will likely buy it whether you are disappointed or not. If you don't like it, that's fine...the competition has a wide range of phones that will probably suit you better. Meanwhile there are millions of people who love their iPhone and don't care about the Android/WinPhone spec-wars.
Looking at your signature, you sure seem to love Apple products. Right? Well clearly they just aren't getting it right with the iPhone...so move on. Why sit around here and whine about something nobody here can control or change? You think you're going to be disappointed? Boohoo. Move on. Break the yoke of tyranny and oppression. Go out and get that 5" Galaxy Note or whatever hand-stretching phone you want. It's ok. Apple will still take your money on everything else. I promise.
I suspect he's not alone in feeling that way. The one true advantage Android has over iOS is that one can switch phones, switch carriers, switch manufacturers and the money invested in apps, and other content is not lost. The guy has a right to his opinion and nobody forced you to read it. You actually helped his cause by whining so much about it yourself and made others curious about what you were ranting about.
The one true advantage Android has over iOS is that one can switch phones, switch carriers, switch manufacturers and the money invested in apps, and other content is not lost.
I suspect he's not alone in feeling that way. The one true advantage Android has over iOS is that one can switch phones, switch carriers, switch manufacturers and the money invested in apps, and other content is not lost. The guy has a right to his opinion and nobody forced you to read it. You actually helped his cause by whining so much about it yourself and made others curious about what you were ranting about.
So I don't have a right to an opinion? My opinion is that its silly to be disappointed and feel cheated about a phone that doesn't exist in consumers hands yet. It's only rumor-mills and mock-ups at this point. It hasn't been released and so we don't know what it will do...what it will look like. I was never whining. The person who wrote that article being disappointed about this phone is the one whining because now they've supposedly been sucked into the eco-system too much to move on. All they did was basically talk about the perks of Android and WinPhone and the downfalls and shortcomings of iOS and iPhones past. Yet, later in the article he states he'll probably wait in line for the new iPhone because he's been sucked in too far and apparently can't change that. If he doesn't like what Apple is doing...then he can go to the next manufacturer who is doing things more in tune with what he wants. Why is this so hard to understand? His iTunes purchases will still work on his computer...I assume.
You whining about you thinking that I'm whining is probably not helping anything. The person I was replying to seems to have moved on and even said now that he hopes the phone isn't a disappointment but will cross his fingers for when the phone is revealed. That's basically what I was saying to do...in other words: don't get your panties in a bunch till you see it. If it's the phone we've been seeing for months...then be disappointed. Till then...cross your fingers and maybe it'll be a lot more "magical" than we ever imagined. Who knows.
The iPhone always takes IT dollars away from the PC industry. People are far more likely to upgrade their iPhone than their PC each year, and its not a whole lot cheaper than buying a PC.
Also consider that this time around, being less than a year from the last iPhone launch, no iPhone 4S owner is eligible for an upgrade, so for a least the first month of sales, anyone upgrading will be paying twice the price of a normal iPhone purchase.
Not every iPhone is sold to a person who is already an iPhone user.
The iPhone has sold more and more each year... so it cannot just be the same people buying iPhones over and over.
Every single day there is somebody at the end of their 2 year contract... and they could certainly get an iPhone.
I'm still in the middle of my 2 year contract... so I'm not ready to upgrade.
But... there are tons of people who are ready to upgrade at this very moment... and every day after that.
Well, why would one do that? Cause they all produce sucky products?
You just buy a different iteration of the same phone.
The carrier thing is a moot point on that you are correct.
Other phones being sucky is subjective but you're entitled to your opinion but I firmly believe even if a phone came out that was spectacularly better than the iPhone most that have spent years entrenched in the iOS ecosystem would not leave their investment. Similar to those of us that still have unlimited data plans. I'll probably never switch to another carrier.
Nice to see Fairchild Semiconductor mentioned! One of the oldest names in transistor and integrated circuit technology, Fairchild is one of the pioneers. Some here will have grown up with the name!
So I don't have a right to an opinion? My opinion is that its silly to be disappointed and feel cheated about a phone that doesn't exist in consumers hands yet. It's only rumor-mills and mock-ups at this point. It hasn't been released and so we don't know what it will do...what it will look like. I was never whining. The person who wrote that article being disappointed about this phone is the one whining because now they've supposedly been sucked into the eco-system too much to move on. All they did was basically talk about the perks of Android and WinPhone and the downfalls and shortcomings of iOS and iPhones past. Yet, later in the article he states he'll probably wait in line for the new iPhone because he's been sucked in too far and apparently can't change that. If he doesn't like what Apple is doing...then he can go to the next manufacturer who is doing things more in tune with what he wants. Why is this so hard to understand? His iTunes purchases will still work on his computer...I assume.
You whining about you thinking that I'm whining is probably not helping anything. The person I was replying to seems to have moved on and even said now that he hopes the phone isn't a disappointment but will cross his fingers for when the phone is revealed. That's basically what I was saying to do...in other words: don't get your panties in a bunch till you see it. If it's the phone we've been seeing for months...then be disappointed. Till then...cross your fingers and maybe it'll be a lot more "magical" than we ever imagined. Who knows.
Of course you're entitled to your opinion but I don't think it merited a tirade. Whenever an opinion is offered so harshly one draws more attention to what they're opining about than their argument. It can also seem that you're trying to convince yourself instead of others. Cant a person be critical of Apple without being lambasted?
Pretending that what you said earlier isn't relevant doesn't change that earlier you said it was relevant.
How am I pretending if I readily admitted it was a moot point and the poster was correct? What I should have said was that while the iPhone is available on more carriers it still doesn't come close to how many carriers that offer Android devices.
Using the phone with one hand tends to be important.
I fail to see how that's an "issue"; it's certainly more personal opinion. You want a phone that looks different every three months, you can buy an Android phone. Would you not buy a new iMac because the design hasn't changed "meaningfully" since 2007?
Not trying to be a smart a$$ but you'd have to have super small hands if anything but the Note gives you problems holding it in one hand. And it hasn't been 3 months, we're going on 2 years with the current form factor. Also, a $1500 all-in-one desktop is not analogous to a smartphone.
I suspect he's not alone in feeling that way. The one true advantage Android has over iOS is that one can switch phones, switch carriers, switch manufacturers and the money invested in apps, and other content is not lost. The guy has a right to his opinion and nobody forced you to read it. You actually helped his cause by whining so much about it yourself and made others curious about what you were ranting about.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
Of course you're entitled to your opinion but I don't think it merited a tirade. Whenever an opinion is offered so harshly one draws more attention to what they're opining about than their argument. It can also seem that you're trying to convince yourself instead of others. Cant a person be critical of Apple without being lambasted?
Thank you dasanman69. It's nice to see someone else here that doesn't feel threatened by very light criticism of a product. And to answer your last question, it's become apparent that no, you cannot be in any way critical of Apple here without being lambasted. It's scary really. I have my own "wishlist" for what I want in a new smartphone and they are features many others are asking for. But, since it's looking like Apple isn't going to grant those wishes I now must say, "No, I always wanted a brand new phone that looks almost exactly like a stretched version of what I've had for the past two years. My wishes for a larger screen in all dimensions and a refreshed design were foolish and Apple knew what I 'really' wanted. I was silly to express any desires prior to Apple telling me what I wanted." To say anything else here is taken as an affront to all that is holy. Get a grip people, I said I'd really like a wider screen and a new design - not that I wish harm upon your mother!
Is constant improvement not something to strive for? Is it not something Steve Jobs demanded? But what do I know...I'm apparently just an Android fanboi typing on the iMac I bought this February to replace the two previous MacBook Pros I owned.
Not trying to be a smart a$$ but you'd have to have super small hands if anything but the Note gives you problems holding it in one hand. And it hasn't been 3 months, we're going on 2 years with the current form factor. Also, a $1500 all-in-one desktop is not analogous to a smartphone.
Well, I guess it is time for Apple to consider an additional category - iPhablet to put in the middle of this list: iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad Mini, iPad.
Personally, I would never buy such a thing but many people (likely with giganto-hands) here seem to dream about a shovel-like iPhone.
Ok. Here's the deal: You cannot be critical of Apple for the iPhone 5/New iPhone/Whatever-it-ends-up-being-called. This is what my problem is. You are acting like its already out and it sucks. You are more than welcome to voice your displeasure about a product that is out on the market. So far, the new iPhone has not been unveiled yet. Therefore you cannot be critical of Apple and it's newest iPhone. Why is this so hard to understand?
You want it to have a bigger screen in width and height? Ok. You want it to have NFC? Ok. You want it to pee unicorns and rainbows? Ok. These are all valid wishes. Even the last one. You know what? It might have all but that last one! You just don't know. I am arguing against the people who claim they are already disappointed or are likely to be disappointed. You love Apple so much, oneaburns? Then have some faith. Maybe it won't be as bad as you think. Maybe it'll be worse. You just have to wait and see. I have never called you an Android anything. I have simply argued that your being disappointed is not valid yet. You cannot be critical of or disappointed in a product you haven't seen yet.
There are dozens of products Apple has released to the world that were missteps...failures even...and often the most critical people are Apple's own loyal users. I never said you cannot be critical of Apple. I am often critical of Apple. Some of the things they are doing in iOS with the next version do not sound that amazing to me...but I don't have a copy of it yet, so I cannot be critical or disappointed until I have actually downloaded it on all my devices and thoroughly used it. Get what I'm saying?
Wait for tomorrow. Then determine how you feel...then be critical and disappointed if things are not what you were hoping for.
Ok. Here's the deal: You cannot be critical of Apple for the iPhone 5/New iPhone/Whatever-it-ends-up-being-called. This is what my problem is. You are acting like its already out and it sucks. You are more than welcome to voice your displeasure about a product that is out on the market. So far, the new iPhone has not been unveiled yet. Therefore you cannot be critical of Apple and it's newest iPhone. Why is this so hard to understand?
You want it to have a bigger screen in width and height? Ok. You want it to have NFC? Ok. You want it to pee unicorns and rainbows? Ok. These are all valid wishes. Even the last one. You know what? It might have all but that last one! You just don't know. I am arguing against the people who claim they are already disappointed or are likely to be disappointed. You love Apple so much, oneaburns? Then have some faith. Maybe it won't be as bad as you think. Maybe it'll be worse. You just have to wait and see. I have never called you an Android anything. I have simply argued that your being disappointed is not valid yet. You cannot be critical of or disappointed in a product you haven't seen yet.
There are dozens of products Apple has released to the world that were missteps...failures even...and often the most critical people are Apple's own loyal users. I never said you cannot be critical of Apple. I am often critical of Apple. Some of the things they are doing in iOS with the next version do not sound that amazing to me...but I don't have a copy of it yet, so I cannot be critical or disappointed until I have actually downloaded it on all my devices and thoroughly used it. Get what I'm saying?
Wait for tomorrow. Then determine how you feel...then be critical and disappointed if things are not what you were hoping for.
Ok?
Now that's a much better written post, but even then oneaburns is agreeing with a blogger that readily admits he can be mistaken and solely offering an opinion on the rumors so far. The author expects to be disappointed with the new iPhone but very much wants to be wowed. I often view things the same way so I'm rarely be let down and more often than not I'm surprised.
Now that's a much better written post, but even then oneaburns is agreeing with a blogger that readily admits he can be mistaken and solely offering an opinion on the rumors so far. The author expects to be disappointed with the new iPhone but very much wants to be wowed. I often view things the same way so I'm rarely be let down and more often than not I'm surprised.
Agreed. And that is how I am...I'm hoping to be surprised.
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If I marry your daughter, will you buy me one too??
Umm..... the question rather answers itself, don't you think?
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Originally Posted by MacVertigo
Interesting article. It's quite right in many respects. Apple has such a following and they know pretty much whatever phone they put out will still by the millions.. they don't need to outdo themselves... sadly.
I wish this phone would have been out a year ago. If history repeats itself, we'll see this one tomorrow, and in about a year we'll get the "S" version that is slightly beefed up... and won't see anything really "new" from apple in the way of a new phone for another 24 months.
Like the Galaxy S III is a slightly beefed up Galaxy S 2 which was a slightly beefed up Galaxy S?
Like that, you mean?
So how much will the Galaxy S IV "beef" up, will it be as "disappointing" as the Galaxy S III "beef up", will the media fill with another marketing beat up for the "beef up"?
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Originally Posted by oneaburns
Well, the biggest issue would be that the screen is only getting longer but not wider. Next would be that it looks almost exactly like the 4S except for the two-tone back. The bezel on the 4S looks huge compared to other phones and if the screen is truly not growing in width then it should be the same. I'm keeping my fingers crossed but we'll see tomorrow.
If it's not as you'd like it, will you go away?
Just hoping, not asking.
Originally Posted by anantksundaram
If it's not as you'd like it, will you go away?
Just hoping, not asking.
And people complain that I'm "mean"… ????
I suspect he's not alone in feeling that way. The one true advantage Android has over iOS is that one can switch phones, switch carriers, switch manufacturers and the money invested in apps, and other content is not lost. The guy has a right to his opinion and nobody forced you to read it. You actually helped his cause by whining so much about it yourself and made others curious about what you were ranting about.
Originally Posted by dasanman69
The one true advantage Android has over iOS is that one can switch phones, switch carriers, switch manufacturers and the money invested in apps, and other content is not lost.
How does iOS not afford that?
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
The one true advantage Android has over iOS is that one can switch phones...
We can switch phones every year.
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switch carriers...
We can switch carriers, even to t-mobile soon.
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switch manufacturers...
Well, why would one do that? Cause they all produce sucky products?
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
I suspect he's not alone in feeling that way. The one true advantage Android has over iOS is that one can switch phones, switch carriers, switch manufacturers and the money invested in apps, and other content is not lost. The guy has a right to his opinion and nobody forced you to read it. You actually helped his cause by whining so much about it yourself and made others curious about what you were ranting about.
So I don't have a right to an opinion? My opinion is that its silly to be disappointed and feel cheated about a phone that doesn't exist in consumers hands yet. It's only rumor-mills and mock-ups at this point. It hasn't been released and so we don't know what it will do...what it will look like. I was never whining. The person who wrote that article being disappointed about this phone is the one whining because now they've supposedly been sucked into the eco-system too much to move on. All they did was basically talk about the perks of Android and WinPhone and the downfalls and shortcomings of iOS and iPhones past. Yet, later in the article he states he'll probably wait in line for the new iPhone because he's been sucked in too far and apparently can't change that. If he doesn't like what Apple is doing...then he can go to the next manufacturer who is doing things more in tune with what he wants. Why is this so hard to understand? His iTunes purchases will still work on his computer...I assume.
You whining about you thinking that I'm whining is probably not helping anything. The person I was replying to seems to have moved on and even said now that he hopes the phone isn't a disappointment but will cross his fingers for when the phone is revealed. That's basically what I was saying to do...in other words: don't get your panties in a bunch till you see it. If it's the phone we've been seeing for months...then be disappointed. Till then...cross your fingers and maybe it'll be a lot more "magical" than we ever imagined. Who knows.
Not every iPhone is sold to a person who is already an iPhone user.
The iPhone has sold more and more each year... so it cannot just be the same people buying iPhones over and over.
Every single day there is somebody at the end of their 2 year contract... and they could certainly get an iPhone.
I'm still in the middle of my 2 year contract... so I'm not ready to upgrade.
But... there are tons of people who are ready to upgrade at this very moment... and every day after that.
You just buy a different iteration of the same phone.
The carrier thing is a moot point on that you are correct.
Other phones being sucky is subjective but you're entitled to your opinion but I firmly believe even if a phone came out that was spectacularly better than the iPhone most that have spent years entrenched in the iOS ecosystem would not leave their investment. Similar to those of us that still have unlimited data plans. I'll probably never switch to another carrier.
Originally Posted by dasanman69
You just buy a different iteration of the same phone.
The carrier thing is a moot point on that you are correct.
Pretending that what you said earlier isn't relevant doesn't change that earlier you said it was relevant.
Nice to see Fairchild Semiconductor mentioned! One of the oldest names in transistor and integrated circuit technology, Fairchild is one of the pioneers. Some here will have grown up with the name!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Semiconductor
All the best.
Of course you're entitled to your opinion but I don't think it merited a tirade. Whenever an opinion is offered so harshly one draws more attention to what they're opining about than their argument. It can also seem that you're trying to convince yourself instead of others. Cant a person be critical of Apple without being lambasted?
How am I pretending if I readily admitted it was a moot point and the poster was correct? What I should have said was that while the iPhone is available on more carriers it still doesn't come close to how many carriers that offer Android devices.
Not trying to be a smart a$$ but you'd have to have super small hands if anything but the Note gives you problems holding it in one hand. And it hasn't been 3 months, we're going on 2 years with the current form factor. Also, a $1500 all-in-one desktop is not analogous to a smartphone.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
I suspect he's not alone in feeling that way. The one true advantage Android has over iOS is that one can switch phones, switch carriers, switch manufacturers and the money invested in apps, and other content is not lost. The guy has a right to his opinion and nobody forced you to read it. You actually helped his cause by whining so much about it yourself and made others curious about what you were ranting about.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
Of course you're entitled to your opinion but I don't think it merited a tirade. Whenever an opinion is offered so harshly one draws more attention to what they're opining about than their argument. It can also seem that you're trying to convince yourself instead of others. Cant a person be critical of Apple without being lambasted?
Thank you dasanman69. It's nice to see someone else here that doesn't feel threatened by very light criticism of a product. And to answer your last question, it's become apparent that no, you cannot be in any way critical of Apple here without being lambasted. It's scary really. I have my own "wishlist" for what I want in a new smartphone and they are features many others are asking for. But, since it's looking like Apple isn't going to grant those wishes I now must say, "No, I always wanted a brand new phone that looks almost exactly like a stretched version of what I've had for the past two years. My wishes for a larger screen in all dimensions and a refreshed design were foolish and Apple knew what I 'really' wanted. I was silly to express any desires prior to Apple telling me what I wanted." To say anything else here is taken as an affront to all that is holy. Get a grip people, I said I'd really like a wider screen and a new design - not that I wish harm upon your mother!
Is constant improvement not something to strive for? Is it not something Steve Jobs demanded? But what do I know...I'm apparently just an Android fanboi typing on the iMac I bought this February to replace the two previous MacBook Pros I owned.
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Originally Posted by oneaburns
Not trying to be a smart a$$ but you'd have to have super small hands if anything but the Note gives you problems holding it in one hand. And it hasn't been 3 months, we're going on 2 years with the current form factor. Also, a $1500 all-in-one desktop is not analogous to a smartphone.
Well, I guess it is time for Apple to consider an additional category - iPhablet
Personally, I would never buy such a thing but many people (likely with giganto-hands) here seem to dream about a shovel-like iPhone.
Ok. Here's the deal: You cannot be critical of Apple for the iPhone 5/New iPhone/Whatever-it-ends-up-being-called. This is what my problem is. You are acting like its already out and it sucks. You are more than welcome to voice your displeasure about a product that is out on the market. So far, the new iPhone has not been unveiled yet. Therefore you cannot be critical of Apple and it's newest iPhone. Why is this so hard to understand?
You want it to have a bigger screen in width and height? Ok. You want it to have NFC? Ok. You want it to pee unicorns and rainbows? Ok. These are all valid wishes. Even the last one. You know what? It might have all but that last one! You just don't know. I am arguing against the people who claim they are already disappointed or are likely to be disappointed. You love Apple so much, oneaburns? Then have some faith. Maybe it won't be as bad as you think. Maybe it'll be worse. You just have to wait and see. I have never called you an Android anything. I have simply argued that your being disappointed is not valid yet. You cannot be critical of or disappointed in a product you haven't seen yet.
There are dozens of products Apple has released to the world that were missteps...failures even...and often the most critical people are Apple's own loyal users. I never said you cannot be critical of Apple. I am often critical of Apple. Some of the things they are doing in iOS with the next version do not sound that amazing to me...but I don't have a copy of it yet, so I cannot be critical or disappointed until I have actually downloaded it on all my devices and thoroughly used it. Get what I'm saying?
Wait for tomorrow. Then determine how you feel...then be critical and disappointed if things are not what you were hoping for.
Ok?
Now that's a much better written post, but even then oneaburns is agreeing with a blogger that readily admits he can be mistaken and solely offering an opinion on the rumors so far. The author expects to be disappointed with the new iPhone but very much wants to be wowed. I often view things the same way so I'm rarely be let down and more often than not I'm surprised.
Agreed. And that is how I am...I'm hoping to be surprised.