Actually, no, the article doesn't plainly state that. The article says Apple is first to market with the ARM Cortex A15 cores. If it meant first smartphone to market, they should've said that. Also, the article muddies the waters by highlighting what the iPad SoCs are as well, so the article doesn't strictly stick to smartphone CPUs.
Also, while hoping the use of newer tech is true, the article points to no evidence of Apple actually using the newer core architecture. It just points to an article by Anantech which is only speculating because of what Apple vaguely said about performance vs previous A5 chips.
If this turns out not to be true, it'll be more dung in the face from non-Apple users that have a need to feel superior.
What did I say that gave an air of superiority about Apple products over non-Apple products? And what does posting on this forum have to do with the same?
After searching the other chips mentioned in the article being made by other companies, it seems you are right that they are still in the sampling/design process to put out those chips. But why didn't the article STATE that! Why did I have to search somewhere else because the article was vague and seemed contradictory?
The article was very very clear that the iPhone 5 is the first to SHIP a product in a smartphone.
After further research... The scorpion core in the s3 is not an official cortex-a9 processor because of the reasons stated earlier with qualcomm modifying the cores. It should be said that it is an Cortex-a9 CLASS core.
I still think AI is being a little misleading. Yes, if the A6 has a cortex-a15 core then it will be the first. However, taking qualcomm out of the equation because they make there own cores doesnt seem to be an honest comparison. The qualcomm Krait core (the core in the s4 SoC) is equivalent to an a15 and its been shipping since june. AI needs to add that to the article.
Disclaimer... I live in san diego and have owned qualcomm stock for many years. I also go to quite a few charger games at qualcomm stadium (loved it when they renamed it snapdragon stadium for a few months).
Some people in this thread need to do some basic reading before they post stupidity.
Apple will indeed be the fist to launch an officially licensed Core A15. However...Krait/Snapdragon S4 has technically beaten them to the punch. While Qualcomm doesn't license the Core architecture, Krait *does* support the A15 instruction sets and memory addressing.
Ummm no.... check the evo lte. Its a dual core with a a15 based chip. Qualcomm took a A15 nd put LTE into the chip and ripped out some of the un-needed stuff. Its a custom A15 chip which is what the A6 will likely be. And yes I purchased an EVO lte in June of this year. Google "qualcomm Krait review".
Actually, Qualcomm has a hybrid chip in the S4 Krait design that is close to the A15 but not quite an A15. Think of it as a 4/5 of an A15 (pipeline depth/design and such are far better on the A15 than Krait) . So the article is correct and you are not.
The Krait design, however, is very very good and much better than the A9 design on single thread execution.
I know that Apple has an A6 Quad core processor but I am assuming that the Quad core was dropped because of the power consumption. The galaxy S3 has way less battery capability than the iPhone 5 or even the 4s does. So apple basically made a better phone with power and usability.
The article was very very clear that the iPhone 5 is the first to SHIP a product in a smartphone.
No, the article isn't really clear about anything! It speculates the iPhone 5 is the first product(?) or smartphone(?) to ship with an A15-based core architecture, however it only points to a different article that speculates the same thing as proof. Next, the article later says that Samsung, TI, etc. are making A15-based chips too. It does NOT say those companies have only announced those products with mass production scheduled for a later date.
This article is all over the place.
I'm not disputing that if iPhone 5's A6 CPU is A15-based, it would be the first. It seems like it would be based on the scant research I googled. I AM disputing the way this article presents its information. Based on the article, it isn't clear if iPhone is the first product, or merely the first smartphone with A15 cores. Based on the article, it isn't clear that Samsung and others are only in the announcement/design phase of producing their own chips. Based on the article, Samsung and other companies are already making their own chips (which seems not to be true from other sources), invalidating the article's entire premise.
If it's true Apple is using Cortex A15 cores, how are they first when Samsung, TI, and Nvidia are all using them too? This article contradicts itself...
None of them are in phones yet. Those are all Chip Makers.
No, the article isn't really clear about anything! It speculates the iPhone 5 is the first product(?) or smartphone(?) to ship with an A15-based core architecture, however it only points to a different article that speculates the same thing as proof. Next, the article later says that Samsung, TI, etc. are making A15-based chips too. It does NOT say those companies have only announced those products with mass production scheduled for a later date.
This article is all over the place.
I'm not disputing that if iPhone 5's A6 CPU is A15-based, it would be the first. It seems like it would be based on the scant research I googled. I AM disputing the way this article presents its information. Based on the article, it isn't clear if iPhone is the first product, or merely the first smartphone with A15 cores. Based on the article, it isn't clear that Samsung and others are only in the announcement/design phase of producing their own chips. Based on the article, Samsung and other companies are already making their own chips (which seems not to be true from other sources), invalidating the article's entire premise.
The only speculation is the chip being A15 based. If it is, it is the first.. It seems pretty clear, maybe a little awkward but difficult to misread.
Some people in this thread need to do some basic reading before they post stupidity.
Apple will indeed be the fist to launch an officially licensed Core A15. However...Krait/Snapdragon S4 has technically beaten them to the punch. While Qualcomm doesn't license the Core architecture, Krait *does* support the A15 instruction sets and memory addressing. http://www.anandtech.com/show/4940/qualcomm-new-snapdragon-s4-msm8960-krait-architecture
which would nullify:
This is why Apple didn't make the claim, a few blogs tried to. The S4 is also smaller at 28nm instead of 32 for the A6.
At the end of the day does it matter who's first? 3rd? last? It's the EXPERIENCE that counts.
Is the Krait even relevant to this discussion? What phone is it in? I can find several that are coming but none that will ship before next Friday... The article only claims it will be the first A15 core shipping in a phone. Which part of that do you dispute?
No, the article isn't really clear about anything! It speculates the iPhone 5 is the first product(?) or smartphone(?) to ship with an A15-based core architecture, however it only points to a different article that speculates the same thing as proof. Next, the article later says that Samsung, TI, etc. are making A15-based chips too. It does NOT say those companies have only announced those products with mass production scheduled for a later date.
This article is all over the place.
I'm not disputing that if iPhone 5's A6 CPU is A15-based, it would be the first. It seems like it would be based on the scant research I googled. I AM disputing the way this article presents its information. Based on the article, it isn't clear if iPhone is the first product, or merely the first smartphone with A15 cores. Based on the article, it isn't clear that Samsung and others are only in the announcement/design phase of producing their own chips. Based on the article, Samsung and other companies are already making their own chips (which seems not to be true from other sources), invalidating the article's entire premise.
Why are you trying to make it more difficult than it is.
If you know of another product thats using A15cores right now, then post a link to it here. If not.. then what the hell are you trying to prove?
Is the Krait even relevant to this discussion? What phone is it in? I can find several that are coming but none that will ship before next Friday... The article only claims it will be the first A15 core shipping in a phone. Which part of that do you dispute?
Umm.. the HTC one x has the krait core for all phones sold in the USA since June of this year, including the EVO LTE (my current phone).
Umm.. the HTC one x has the krait core for all phones sold in the USA since June of this year.
Fair enough. Then you just have to get into the hairsplitting in the article. The Krait is not an A15 core. Does it matter? No, not really. The article is still correct, but who really cares.
Samsung has the exact chip listed on its website. I wouldnt exactly call it beating samsung since samsung did make it. They just gave them priority over its own phones.
1) Being contracted to manufacture something is not the same as designing it. If I design a car and have someone build a part for it to my specifications it's not their car.
2) Where is it listed as being the exact same chip?
Samsung and TI are only sampling A15 chips and both state availability late 2012 or early 2013. Qualcomm's S4 Krait is different enough from an A15 to not be counted. Let's face it - the only reason people are trying to sneak the S4 chip in is so they can somehow take away Apple's thunder at being first to market with an A15.
The fact that Apple is releasing a new iPhone (and has likely already produced millions for next weeks launch), shows they are way ahead of Samsung or TI and must have been sampling and testing way back at the beginning of the year.
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Actually, no, the article doesn't plainly state that. The article says Apple is first to market with the ARM Cortex A15 cores. If it meant first smartphone to market, they should've said that. Also, the article muddies the waters by highlighting what the iPad SoCs are as well, so the article doesn't strictly stick to smartphone CPUs.
Also, while hoping the use of newer tech is true, the article points to no evidence of Apple actually using the newer core architecture. It just points to an article by Anantech which is only speculating because of what Apple vaguely said about performance vs previous A5 chips.
If this turns out not to be true, it'll be more dung in the face from non-Apple users that have a need to feel superior.
That's funny. You ARE the one who's being here.
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LOLOLOL.... even the s3 was a9 based. Learn how to use google.
So present your evidence.
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That's funny. You ARE the one who's being here.
What did I say that gave an air of superiority about Apple products over non-Apple products? And what does posting on this forum have to do with the same?
The article was very very clear that the iPhone 5 is the first to SHIP a product in a smartphone.
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So present your evidence.
After further research... The scorpion core in the s3 is not an official cortex-a9 processor because of the reasons stated earlier with qualcomm modifying the cores. It should be said that it is an Cortex-a9 CLASS core.
I still think AI is being a little misleading. Yes, if the A6 has a cortex-a15 core then it will be the first. However, taking qualcomm out of the equation because they make there own cores doesnt seem to be an honest comparison. The qualcomm Krait core (the core in the s4 SoC) is equivalent to an a15 and its been shipping since june. AI needs to add that to the article.
Disclaimer... I live in san diego and have owned qualcomm stock for many years. I also go to quite a few charger games at qualcomm stadium (loved it when they renamed it snapdragon stadium for a few months).
Some people in this thread need to do some basic reading before they post stupidity.
Apple will indeed be the fist to launch an officially licensed Core A15. However...Krait/Snapdragon S4 has technically beaten them to the punch. While Qualcomm doesn't license the Core architecture, Krait *does* support the A15 instruction sets and memory addressing.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4940/qualcomm-new-snapdragon-s4-msm8960-krait-architecture
which would nullify:
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its new A6 processor is reportedly using next generation ARM Cortex A15 cores, making it the first to market with the technology.
This is why Apple didn't make the claim, a few blogs tried to. The S4 is also smaller at 28nm instead of 32 for the A6.
At the end of the day does it matter who's first? 3rd? last? It's the EXPERIENCE that counts.
Actually, Qualcomm has a hybrid chip in the S4 Krait design that is close to the A15 but not quite an A15. Think of it as a 4/5 of an A15 (pipeline depth/design and such are far better on the A15 than Krait) . So the article is correct and you are not.
The Krait design, however, is very very good and much better than the A9 design on single thread execution.
So here is the Samsung Galaxy S3 processor info directly from Wikipedia.
The S III comes in two distinct variations that differ primarily in the internal hardware. The international S III version has Samsung's Exynos 4 Quad system on a chip (SoC) containing a 1.4 GHz quad-core ARM Cortex-A9 central processing unit (CPU) and an ARM Mali-400 MPgraphics processing unit (GPU).[61] According to Samsung, the Exynos 4 Quad doubles the performance of the Exynos 4 Dual used on the S II, while using 20 percent less power.
I know that Apple has an A6 Quad core processor but I am assuming that the Quad core was dropped because of the power consumption. The galaxy S3 has way less battery capability than the iPhone 5 or even the 4s does. So apple basically made a better phone with power and usability.
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The article was very very clear that the iPhone 5 is the first to SHIP a product in a smartphone.
No, the article isn't really clear about anything! It speculates the iPhone 5 is the first product(?) or smartphone(?) to ship with an A15-based core architecture, however it only points to a different article that speculates the same thing as proof. Next, the article later says that Samsung, TI, etc. are making A15-based chips too. It does NOT say those companies have only announced those products with mass production scheduled for a later date.
This article is all over the place.
I'm not disputing that if iPhone 5's A6 CPU is A15-based, it would be the first. It seems like it would be based on the scant research I googled. I AM disputing the way this article presents its information. Based on the article, it isn't clear if iPhone is the first product, or merely the first smartphone with A15 cores. Based on the article, it isn't clear that Samsung and others are only in the announcement/design phase of producing their own chips. Based on the article, Samsung and other companies are already making their own chips (which seems not to be true from other sources), invalidating the article's entire premise.
None of them are in phones yet. Those are all Chip Makers.
The only speculation is the chip being A15 based. If it is, it is the first.. It seems pretty clear, maybe a little awkward but difficult to misread.
Is the Krait even relevant to this discussion? What phone is it in? I can find several that are coming but none that will ship before next Friday... The article only claims it will be the first A15 core shipping in a phone. Which part of that do you dispute?
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The only speculation is the chip being A15 based. If it is, it is the first.. It seems pretty clear, maybe a little awkward but difficult to misread.
Agreed, but it still seems dishonest to completely exclude the Krait. I guess thats why is appleinsider.com and not smartphoneinsider.com
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No, the article isn't really clear about anything! It speculates the iPhone 5 is the first product(?) or smartphone(?) to ship with an A15-based core architecture, however it only points to a different article that speculates the same thing as proof. Next, the article later says that Samsung, TI, etc. are making A15-based chips too. It does NOT say those companies have only announced those products with mass production scheduled for a later date.
This article is all over the place.
I'm not disputing that if iPhone 5's A6 CPU is A15-based, it would be the first. It seems like it would be based on the scant research I googled. I AM disputing the way this article presents its information. Based on the article, it isn't clear if iPhone is the first product, or merely the first smartphone with A15 cores. Based on the article, it isn't clear that Samsung and others are only in the announcement/design phase of producing their own chips. Based on the article, Samsung and other companies are already making their own chips (which seems not to be true from other sources), invalidating the article's entire premise.
Why are you trying to make it more difficult than it is.
If you know of another product thats using A15cores right now, then post a link to it here. If not.. then what the hell are you trying to prove?
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Originally Posted by Wovel
Is the Krait even relevant to this discussion? What phone is it in? I can find several that are coming but none that will ship before next Friday... The article only claims it will be the first A15 core shipping in a phone. Which part of that do you dispute?
Umm.. the HTC one x has the krait core for all phones sold in the USA since June of this year, including the EVO LTE (my current phone).
What evidence. The S3 is A9 based. It's a fact. Easy to find for anyone reading this forum. Why should he provide evidence?
Fair enough. Then you just have to get into the hairsplitting in the article. The Krait is not an A15 core. Does it matter? No, not really. The article is still correct, but who really cares.
1) Being contracted to manufacture something is not the same as designing it. If I design a car and have someone build a part for it to my specifications it's not their car.
2) Where is it listed as being the exact same chip?
Samsung and TI are only sampling A15 chips and both state availability late 2012 or early 2013. Qualcomm's S4 Krait is different enough from an A15 to not be counted. Let's face it - the only reason people are trying to sneak the S4 chip in is so they can somehow take away Apple's thunder at being first to market with an A15.
The fact that Apple is releasing a new iPhone (and has likely already produced millions for next weeks launch), shows they are way ahead of Samsung or TI and must have been sampling and testing way back at the beginning of the year.
I think it is a bit shady. Knowing about the HTC One now, I would say the article is technically correct but a bit misleading.