I know, thats my point. The should be promoting Windows and attacking Android. They have a much better chance of Android users switching to Windows than iPhone users
Gosh, where to start....and I actually want Nokia to do well.
In a word, IMHO - misguided.
One of the funny things in all this, that I keep seeing is the WP folks (from top to bottom - probably from the old PC view of the world) keep focusing on Apple as their prime target for grabbing switching customers (folks, that's not where the marketshare is) - and that just isn't the customer base who will be able to easily just try out another platform to see if they like it or not. iOS keeps you in tight with the integration of the media, books, and on and on - its a huge leap to turn your financial back on that and try something else (WP or Android) out.
On the other hand, over in (larger marketshare) Android land, its often easier to go give something else a try without so much pain, and that is where I think WP will get most of its smartphone converts...even if only temporarily....new users they'll be battling for RIMM survivors and feature phone up-graders.
The actual advertisement was really jarring and looked like something the 6th grade computer class put together with Flash on their computers.
Funny how the iHaters accuse Apple of focusing on style rather than function - yet their competitors are attacking them for lack of color in their phone cases.
Three words:
Buy a case.
The sad thing is that the Lumia 920 does actually seem to be a nice phone. They don't need to attack Apple. They can attack Samsung and HTC for just releasing cheap copies. Nokia is actually doing something different. At the same time, by attacking the iPhone for the lack of color choices they come across as petty.
I know, thats my point. The should be promoting Windows and attacking Android. They have a much better chance of Android users switching to Windows than iPhone users
True. Android is the top in market share. Apple buyers tend to be loyal. Nokia would do better to try to reclaim market share from Samsung, who took it from them in the first place.
Quite possibly the worst commercial I've ever seen, which is a shame because it actually looks like a nice phone. Unfortunately, like most companies competing with Apple now a days, the seem so focused on trying to find things that iPhone can't do, the completely forget to tell me what there phones can do.
I agree, but why does every iPhone have to be black or white??? If the edges rim were silver on the 3GS why couldn't the shell be navy blue, emerald green, or ruby red? We don't live in a black and white world... and frankly we should all have a phone that matches our color preference other than black or white.. I think even shimmering rock shells would be great, anything other than black or white on the back.... and don't say just buy a case because cases make the device fatter and heavier.If we had to decide on that we wouldn't even need cases.
For many years Nokia existed because nobody in the phone industry innovated, consumers had to be happy with the crap phone companies created, that was untill Apple created the iPhone.
Did not innovate the user experience would be more precise. If you look at the wealth of innovation that companies like Ericsson, Nokia and Motorola poured into the industry for the first 20 years, it's nothing but breathtaking. Like all great products, Apple stood on the shoulders on innovation from others and added their own unique innovation (the user experience) to make a great product.
The iPhone is available in 2 colors. The Lumia 920 is available in 0 colors. We don't know when the 920 will be released nor do we know how much it will cost.
Yes, we do. Search Engadget and you'll find price/release dates for the US and Europe.
Nokia did produce fakes and the photo you posted here is from an Engadget test using a prototype that Nokia gave them. Don't you want to see a full range of photo tests (e.g. all lighting conditions) with off the shelf devices? Don't you want to compare the devices in every other smartphone category as opposed to just the camera and the color of the shell? Obviously not since your sig stated that you're switching to a Lumia 920 and it's not on the market yet.
Engadget, and other blogs, have had plenty of hands-on time with the Lumia 920.
Actually they had a limited amount of time with a prototype that Nokia gave them and failed to do or publish a complete comparison test that showed photos from the full range of lighting conditions. Of course no comparison can be done with off-the-shelf devices since the Lumia 920 isn't for sale yet.
Showed this to my non-techie wife (perhaps a target for Nokia with this ad?) and her response was "Most people put a case on their phone. You never see the color."
So in that aspect? Not sure what this ad is doing, other than getting hits so Nokia can say, "look at all the eyes our ad is getting!"
Nokia did produce fakes and the photo you posted here is from an Engadget test using a prototype that Nokia gave them. Don't you want to see a full range of photo tests (e.g. all lighting conditions) with off the shelf devices? Don't you want to compare the devices in every other smartphone category as opposed to just the camera and the color of the shell? Obviously not since your sig stated that you're switching to a Lumia 920 and it's not on the market yet.
Engadget did indicate that in their tests the Nokia 920 did have excellent low light performance. The iPhone 5 was good, but not as good as the Nokia.
As always, your choice of phones depends on what you are planning to do with it. If your ability to take pictures in a dim street at midnight (one of the tests they did) is the most important thing you'll do with the phone, then you'll want the Nokia (assuming that the prototype was representative which, with Nokia, isn't guaranteed). If you're not going to routinely be taking pictures in the middle of the night, that test probably won't be important to you.
Engadget did indicate that in their tests the Nokia 920 did have excellent low light performance. The iPhone 5 was good, but not as good as the Nokia. ...
Of course, Consumer Reports, those geniuses of product testing, found no real difference in the low light performance of the IP5 & IP4S. Clearly that was wrong, so clearly there are ways to not get good low light performance that don't have so much to do with the phone as with your testing. And, there's no way to know that the phone Engadget was allowed to handle is the same as the phones Nokia will eventually ship. In this instance, one has to consider that Nokia hasn't had any qualms previously with engaging in deception, and this "prototype" phone may have components that the production models will not.
So, basically, those photos are worthless as evidence of anything. If we thought Nokia could be trusted, that would be one thing, but since we know they've been lying about these devices, and particularly about the cameras in these devices, prior to this, no one should just accept that the prototype or the photos are legitimate. (And, no Engadget are not good judges of that for us.)
Comments
Quote:
Originally Posted by geoadm
I know, thats my point. The should be promoting Windows and attacking Android. They have a much better chance of Android users switching to Windows than iPhone users
Ok I see your point....
Gosh, where to start....and I actually want Nokia to do well.
In a word, IMHO - misguided.
One of the funny things in all this, that I keep seeing is the WP folks (from top to bottom - probably from the old PC view of the world) keep focusing on Apple as their prime target for grabbing switching customers (folks, that's not where the marketshare is) - and that just isn't the customer base who will be able to easily just try out another platform to see if they like it or not. iOS keeps you in tight with the integration of the media, books, and on and on - its a huge leap to turn your financial back on that and try something else (WP or Android) out.
On the other hand, over in (larger marketshare) Android land, its often easier to go give something else a try without so much pain, and that is where I think WP will get most of its smartphone converts...even if only temporarily....new users they'll be battling for RIMM survivors and feature phone up-graders.
The actual advertisement was really jarring and looked like something the 6th grade computer class put together with Flash on their computers.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jragosta
Funny how the iHaters accuse Apple of focusing on style rather than function - yet their competitors are attacking them for lack of color in their phone cases.
Three words:
Buy a case.
The sad thing is that the Lumia 920 does actually seem to be a nice phone. They don't need to attack Apple. They can attack Samsung and HTC for just releasing cheap copies. Nokia is actually doing something different. At the same time, by attacking the iPhone for the lack of color choices they come across as petty.
Quote:
Originally Posted by geoadm
I know, thats my point. The should be promoting Windows and attacking Android. They have a much better chance of Android users switching to Windows than iPhone users
True. Android is the top in market share. Apple buyers tend to be loyal. Nokia would do better to try to reclaim market share from Samsung, who took it from them in the first place.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rbalmer
Quite possibly the worst commercial I've ever seen, which is a shame because it actually looks like a nice phone. Unfortunately, like most companies competing with Apple now a days, the seem so focused on trying to find things that iPhone can't do, the completely forget to tell me what there phones can do.
Their phones can yellow and green.
I agree, but why does every iPhone have to be black or white??? If the edges rim were silver on the 3GS why couldn't the shell be navy blue, emerald green, or ruby red? We don't live in a black and white world... and frankly we should all have a phone that matches our color preference other than black or white.. I think even shimmering rock shells would be great, anything other than black or white on the back.... and don't say just buy a case because cases make the device fatter and heavier.If we had to decide on that we wouldn't even need cases.
HTC's 8X is not a copy... but meh.
Quote:
Originally Posted by old-wiz
Why do you need colors on a phone?
Because the color is the most important feature of a smartphone. None of that other stuff really matters.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jacodb
For many years Nokia existed because nobody in the phone industry innovated, consumers had to be happy with the crap phone companies created, that was untill Apple created the iPhone.
Did not innovate the user experience would be more precise. If you look at the wealth of innovation that companies like Ericsson, Nokia and Motorola poured into the industry for the first 20 years, it's nothing but breathtaking. Like all great products, Apple stood on the shoulders on innovation from others and added their own unique innovation (the user experience) to make a great product.
If colors say what your sexual preference is, then the nokia phones have a great future, pink anyone? LOL
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukeskymac
Sure. Fake.
The picture was taken at the nokia lab and not some independent photographer. No one has ever handle a lumia 920 yet except the nokia folks.
Yes, we do. Search Engadget and you'll find price/release dates for the US and Europe.
The photos were taken by Engadget in a Nokia lab. See: http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/lumia-920-low-light-shootout/
Engadget, and other blogs, have had plenty of hands-on time with the Lumia 920.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukeskymac
Sure. Fake.
Nokia did produce fakes and the photo you posted here is from an Engadget test using a prototype that Nokia gave them. Don't you want to see a full range of photo tests (e.g. all lighting conditions) with off the shelf devices? Don't you want to compare the devices in every other smartphone category as opposed to just the camera and the color of the shell? Obviously not since your sig stated that you're switching to a Lumia 920 and it's not on the market yet.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichL
The photos were taken by Engadget in a Nokia lab. See: http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/lumia-920-low-light-shootout/
Engadget, and other blogs, have had plenty of hands-on time with the Lumia 920.
Actually they had a limited amount of time with a prototype that Nokia gave them and failed to do or publish a complete comparison test that showed photos from the full range of lighting conditions. Of course no comparison can be done with off-the-shelf devices since the Lumia 920 isn't for sale yet.
So in that aspect? Not sure what this ad is doing, other than getting hits so Nokia can say, "look at all the eyes our ad is getting!"
Engadget did indicate that in their tests the Nokia 920 did have excellent low light performance. The iPhone 5 was good, but not as good as the Nokia.
As always, your choice of phones depends on what you are planning to do with it. If your ability to take pictures in a dim street at midnight (one of the tests they did) is the most important thing you'll do with the phone, then you'll want the Nokia (assuming that the prototype was representative which, with Nokia, isn't guaranteed). If you're not going to routinely be taking pictures in the middle of the night, that test probably won't be important to you.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jragosta
Engadget did indicate that in their tests the Nokia 920 did have excellent low light performance. The iPhone 5 was good, but not as good as the Nokia. ...
Of course, Consumer Reports, those geniuses of product testing, found no real difference in the low light performance of the IP5 & IP4S. Clearly that was wrong, so clearly there are ways to not get good low light performance that don't have so much to do with the phone as with your testing. And, there's no way to know that the phone Engadget was allowed to handle is the same as the phones Nokia will eventually ship. In this instance, one has to consider that Nokia hasn't had any qualms previously with engaging in deception, and this "prototype" phone may have components that the production models will not.
So, basically, those photos are worthless as evidence of anything. If we thought Nokia could be trusted, that would be one thing, but since we know they've been lying about these devices, and particularly about the cameras in these devices, prior to this, no one should just accept that the prototype or the photos are legitimate. (And, no Engadget are not good judges of that for us.)