Would you buy a 13" iPad? Say, 64GB with a 13" Retina Display, for $1,000? Or 128GB for $1,200? If they actually released one, I might seriously consider it… how much would it weigh? 1.5 lbs? 2…? How would you use it?
But…... approaching that price point and size, why not go with something like a 13" MacBook Air instead? You'd get quite a lot of the everyday "multitouch" functionality using the trackpad… It's lightweight, offers a full-size physical keyboard, etc. etc… so a one pound lighter iPad, full multitouch/iOS - VS. - a bit heavier 'clamshell' Air, partial-multitouch/OS X…. interesting...
I think it might only be a matter of time before the Air gets a full iPad-style touchscreen… or the iPad hits the 13" size… or most likely we get some new hybrid tech that transforms the form factor further, and it all consolidates a bit further (while a few new devices fill gaps with more "specialized functions", like iPods have done)….
Going back to a larger iPad concept… how big is "too big" for a tablet with that form factor?
I understand your viewpoint here, but the software is so different on each device I don't think Apple will make an iPad that is larger than a OSX-based laptop. Then again, I didn't think they would release a smaller-than-current-iPad either, but it seems they are going to anyway.
Ah, ok. So you're standing then, I presume. Yeah, then I get the point. If I were to commute by train I'd leave it in my bag and use my iPhone. Of course a lighter iPad would be better, but I cannot envision holding on to the train and 'operate' my iPad.
No, I am sitting, and holding the iPad like I do a book. If there were a tray, one could lean it against the seat in front, but one cannot. Same goes for subways, btw (except there is no seat in front usually, so you have to hold it like a book.
No, I am sitting, and holding the iPad like I do a book. If there were a tray, one could lean it against the seat in front, but one cannot. Same goes for subways, btw (except there is no seat in front usually, so you have to hold it like a book.
I think I'd probably prefer a smaller iPad for train commutes, but I've ridden trains around Europe with my larger one, and it wasn't bad. Still, an 8" version would've really been perfect as a travel companion.
I'd buy a 15" iPad. I figure the 15" and maybe a 13" would have OS XI instead of iOS, though.
OS XI? What's that?
iPad means iOS. If it's running OS X.xx, then it's a Mac. So this larger tablet might be the called a Mac Touch or Mac Pad…? Looking at my 15" MBP and trying to imagine carrying around just the lid (the screen side of the clamshell)… it's huge. NOt something I'd be inclined to carry around under my arm, like I do with my current iPad. I'd worry about it literally "folding" inside my bag. It would need to be a lot thicker just to give it strength enough not to bend and warp… or, we're going to need "flexible displays". I don't think it's realistic yet. A 13" maybe. 15"? A bit large for a stand-alone portable 'touch slab', I think.
Not when laptops are no longer being sold, it doesn't.
If it's running OS X.xx, then it's a Mac.
Not when the entire UX has changed and we've moved to a third personal computer revolution, it doesn't. Unless you're being really specific here and claiming Macs = OS X, which doesn't preclude what I've said. ????
Not when laptops are no longer being sold, it doesn't.
Not when the entire UX has changed and we've moved to a third personal computer revolution, it doesn't. Unless you're being really specific here and claiming Macs = OS X, which doesn't preclude what I've said. ????
I think we're probably agreeing in principle, and alluding to the same things. I mentioned a 'future hybrid' OS earlier in the thread… I think eventually Apple may consolidate iOS and OSX into a single environment… especially as the system-on-a-chip and storage get smaller, more powerful, lower energy… there will come a time in the not-too-distant future when the CPU inside an iPad-sized tablet can handle anything today's desktops can… by then, 256GB or more of storage is easy to imagine… and at that point there's no reason to think of the tablet's capabilities s 'sub-desktop', right?
Still, I think it will be a long time before the laptop as we know it goes away. The clamshell form factor just works ergonomically... Although, if the integrated "removable keyboard" concept on the new Surface proves to be a hit, it could hasten some new design evolution… I think that's probably a marginal possibility though. I have a bluetooth keyboard for my iPad, and it just isn't the same as using the one on my laptop. There's a desirable convenience to the all-in-one physical/analog keyboard-screen combination… It's possible the Surface takes the right approach. Connected/integrated AND removable.
Now, if you could also fold it into a stand like Apple's Smart Cover… that'd be even more useful…
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Originally Posted by tribalogical
Going back to a larger iPad concept… how big is "too big" for a tablet with that form factor?
I'd buy a 15" iPad. I figure the 15" and maybe a 13" would have OS XI instead of iOS, though.
I understand your viewpoint here, but the software is so different on each device I don't think Apple will make an iPad that is larger than a OSX-based laptop. Then again, I didn't think they would release a smaller-than-current-iPad either, but it seems they are going to anyway.
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Ah, ok. So you're standing then, I presume. Yeah, then I get the point. If I were to commute by train I'd leave it in my bag and use my iPhone. Of course a lighter iPad would be better, but I cannot envision holding on to the train and 'operate' my iPad.
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No, I am sitting, and holding the iPad like I do a book. If there were a tray, one could lean it against the seat in front, but one cannot. Same goes for subways, btw (except there is no seat in front usually, so you have to hold it like a book.
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I think I'd probably prefer a smaller iPad for train commutes, but I've ridden trains around Europe with my larger one, and it wasn't bad. Still, an 8" version would've really been perfect as a travel companion.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I'd buy a 15" iPad. I figure the 15" and maybe a 13" would have OS XI instead of iOS, though.
OS XI? What's that?
iPad means iOS. If it's running OS X.xx, then it's a Mac. So this larger tablet might be the called a Mac Touch or Mac Pad…? Looking at my 15" MBP and trying to imagine carrying around just the lid (the screen side of the clamshell)… it's huge. NOt something I'd be inclined to carry around under my arm, like I do with my current iPad. I'd worry about it literally "folding" inside my bag. It would need to be a lot thicker just to give it strength enough not to bend and warp… or, we're going to need "flexible displays". I don't think it's realistic yet. A 13" maybe. 15"? A bit large for a stand-alone portable 'touch slab', I think.
Originally Posted by tribalogical
iPad means iOS.
Not when laptops are no longer being sold, it doesn't.
If it's running OS X.xx, then it's a Mac.
Not when the entire UX has changed and we've moved to a third personal computer revolution, it doesn't. Unless you're being really specific here and claiming Macs = OS X, which doesn't preclude what I've said. ????
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Not when laptops are no longer being sold, it doesn't.
Not when the entire UX has changed and we've moved to a third personal computer revolution, it doesn't. Unless you're being really specific here and claiming Macs = OS X, which doesn't preclude what I've said. ????
I think we're probably agreeing in principle, and alluding to the same things. I mentioned a 'future hybrid' OS earlier in the thread… I think eventually Apple may consolidate iOS and OSX into a single environment… especially as the system-on-a-chip and storage get smaller, more powerful, lower energy… there will come a time in the not-too-distant future when the CPU inside an iPad-sized tablet can handle anything today's desktops can… by then, 256GB or more of storage is easy to imagine… and at that point there's no reason to think of the tablet's capabilities s 'sub-desktop', right?
Still, I think it will be a long time before the laptop as we know it goes away. The clamshell form factor just works ergonomically... Although, if the integrated "removable keyboard" concept on the new Surface proves to be a hit, it could hasten some new design evolution… I think that's probably a marginal possibility though. I have a bluetooth keyboard for my iPad, and it just isn't the same as using the one on my laptop. There's a desirable convenience to the all-in-one physical/analog keyboard-screen combination… It's possible the Surface takes the right approach. Connected/integrated AND removable.
Now, if you could also fold it into a stand like Apple's Smart Cover… that'd be even more useful…