So it is the Android update flavor of the week? They just had an update that wasn't on any devices but one, didn't they? They're giving Barney a bad name! (Barney is an arcane reference to the cartoon that first carried the name 'Google' into the public eye. I used to read it every Sunday in the Trib, the Adventures of 'Barney Google and Snuffy Smith', so there)
So it is the Android update flavor of the week? They just had an update that wasn't on any devices but one, didn't they? They're giving Barney a bad name! (Barney is an arcane reference to the cartoon that first carried the name 'Google' into the public eye. I used to read it every Sunday in the Trib, the Adventures of 'Barney Google and Snuffy Smith', so there)
You're probably old enough to remember Frick and Frack... Barney it -- if you don't know what I mean...
Mmm... Key Lime Pie... Think I'll go out and buy one!
Regarding Android, how long will this new OS take to get into the handsets of the various manufacturers and their phone products that have been released this year? / /
DaHarder, you should educate yourself on how Android works. The reason Apps work is because developers are coding for Froyo (API level 8) or GB (API levels 9 & 10). Nobody codes for ICS or JB (API 15 & 16) since they'd have a much smaller market of potential devices (customers) to sell to. Android Apps are NOT backward compatible. An App coded for ICS will not run on a GB device. They are forward compatible, so Apps written for Froyo will run on any device up to JB.
You say no one codes for ICS, then you say an ICS app won't run on GB, which one is it?
So you get a JB phone and you're stuck running Apps that use NONE of the new API's of JB since your App is using a SUBSET of API's by targeting an older version (like Froyo).
Actually that is wrong, you can produce apps that run on GB and also use JB features. Also on a JB phone you get to use UI improvements that JB brings
Meanwhile iOS 6 hit 60% of phone and 40% of tablets in less than 2 weeks. If I'm a developer I can code using the new iOS 6 API's and even a 3GS will run my App. I also know 60% of users can buy my App and that number will climb much higher in the coming months.
If the app is forward compatible as you say, then doesn't that mean 100% of people can buy you app?
Except you claim differs from Googles published stats.
Please provide further details to backup this "pathetic" claim
You say no one codes for ICS, then you say an ICS app won't run on GB, which one is it?
And there are ICS only apps
Actually that is wrong, you can produce apps that run on GB and also use JB features. Also on a JB phone you get to use UI improvements that JB brings
If the app is forward compatible as you say, then doesn't that mean 100% of people can buy you app?
Here's the official numbers right from Google. Accurate as of their last update, Oct 1st, 2012. This is where I got my numbers from and you're telling me I'm wrong?
And this is only one specific area. Would you like me to go over additional ones?
I was being facetious when I said nobody codes for ICS. But I might as well have been telling the truth based on the very small number of Apps available that actually take advantage of ICS or JB. The bottom line is most Apps are coded for Froyo or GB.
Yes you can write Apps that will use JB features if it's running on a JB device and not use them if it's on a GB device, but that's a crappy way to write software. That's like having multiple versions of an App inside one and selecting which portions to run based on what OS the App detects. It's a hack workaround to solve Androids terrible fragmentation problem.
Forward compatible means an App coded to Froyo will run on all versions up to JB. So what? That's nothing to brag about. The issue is that an App using features of JB will not work on older versions (or if the developer has done the "hack" I described above, then the App will run on older versions with reduced functionality).
Either way you're making compromises. As I said, it's a crappy way have to write software.
Here's the official numbers right from Google. Accurate as of their last update, Oct 1st, 2012. This is where I got my numbers from and you're telling me I'm wrong?
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Haggis?
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Haggis?
Haggis on a stick with chocolate chips, going on the prior example of American food in this thread.
A lot of phones don't even have Jelly Bean yet.
I've got an idea for the name on the tip of my tongue… It'lll come to me...
ZYZZX Tort... and be done with this silliness -- Android releases, not the names!
Damn this thread is making me hungry...
I really feel like some Lemon Meringue Pie now.
Apple insider is wrong. 4.2 will still be Jellybean, android 5.0 will be Keylime pie and wont arrive until google io of next year. Stop lying.
You're probably old enough to remember Frick and Frack... Barney it -- if you don't know what I mean...
Regarding Android, how long will this new OS take to get into the handsets of the various manufacturers and their phone products that have been released this year?
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Except you claim differs from Googles published stats.
Please provide further details to backup this "pathetic" claim
You say no one codes for ICS, then you say an ICS app won't run on GB, which one is it?
And there are ICS only apps
Actually that is wrong, you can produce apps that run on GB and also use JB features. Also on a JB phone you get to use UI improvements that JB brings
If the app is forward compatible as you say, then doesn't that mean 100% of people can buy you app?
I'm waiting for Piece of Shit Sandwich.
No problem, just add an extra layer of Butter.
Google expected to unveil Android 'Key Lime Pie,' new Nexus handset at Oct. 29 event
Users expected to be on it somewhere around 2014.
That's actually not a joke, btw. About 75% of Android users are still on 2.3 or earlier.
http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
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Originally Posted by jfanning
Except you claim differs from Googles published stats.
Please provide further details to backup this "pathetic" claim
You say no one codes for ICS, then you say an ICS app won't run on GB, which one is it?
And there are ICS only apps
Actually that is wrong, you can produce apps that run on GB and also use JB features. Also on a JB phone you get to use UI improvements that JB brings
If the app is forward compatible as you say, then doesn't that mean 100% of people can buy you app?
Here's the official numbers right from Google. Accurate as of their last update, Oct 1st, 2012. This is where I got my numbers from and you're telling me I'm wrong?
http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
Read these links on Android and ASLR (address space layout randomization). This is something iOS had since before iOS 5.
https://blog.duosecurity.com/2012/02/a-look-at-aslr-in-android-ice-cream-sandwich-4-0/
https://blog.duosecurity.com/2012/07/exploit-mitigations-in-android-jelly-bean-4-1/
And this is only one specific area. Would you like me to go over additional ones?
I was being facetious when I said nobody codes for ICS. But I might as well have been telling the truth based on the very small number of Apps available that actually take advantage of ICS or JB. The bottom line is most Apps are coded for Froyo or GB.
Yes you can write Apps that will use JB features if it's running on a JB device and not use them if it's on a GB device, but that's a crappy way to write software. That's like having multiple versions of an App inside one and selecting which portions to run based on what OS the App detects. It's a hack workaround to solve Androids terrible fragmentation problem.
Forward compatible means an App coded to Froyo will run on all versions up to JB. So what? That's nothing to brag about. The issue is that an App using features of JB will not work on older versions (or if the developer has done the "hack" I described above, then the App will run on older versions with reduced functionality).
Either way you're making compromises. As I said, it's a crappy way have to write software.
I hope Phandroids won't get DIABETES in all of these software updates.
yes I do, you said
"23.7% are on ICS and 1.8% are on JB. ICS might even hit 25% a full year later."
If you look at that page, and see the increase in use ICS has had, you would know it will be far in excess of 25% in a year.
Sorry, I'm not sure what part of my message you are referring to?