ICS is only about a year old. It was released this time last year with the Galaxy Nexus. And general availability in the US wasn't until December if I remember correctly. JB came out on June 27th.
“Samsung are working as quickly as possible to address Australian market specific issues for the Samsung Galaxy Nexus. We will launch the Jellybean software as soon as the software has met all our quality checks and is network tested and approved by our partners.” - 12/10/2012
Update 16/10/2012:
Samsung have now confirmed to us that the build that is currently under preparation is based on the Android 4.1.2 codebase.
We do not have any further information to share on expected delivery from Samsung for testing or when it will be available to customers.
"23.7% are on ICS and 1.8% are on JB. ICS might even hit 25% a full year later."
If you look at that page, and see the increase in use ICS has had, you would know it will be far in excess of 25% in a year.
Sorry, I'm not sure what part of my message you are referring to?
ICs was announced on Oct 19th which makes it exactly one year tomorrow. The source code was available in November. ICS may pass 25% by November, but that's not the issue. Whether it hits 25%, 26% or 28% is irrelevant - what's relevant is that after one year it's still a distant #2 in terms of the number of users.
Not aware of which part I'm referring to? ASLR is related to security and is someting anyone familiar with programming would understand. You asked me about security and I gave you an example. If you don't know what ASLR is, then I see no point in trying to debate iOS vs Android security issues with you.
Probably if you jailbreak it. The point is that Apple doesn't want you to because it would be a poor user experience.
iOS 4 was piss poor on the 3G yet Apple allowed it... Turned my phone into a paperweight, was awesome. Now because of that my wife is afraid to update her 3GS...
ICs was announced on Oct 19th which makes it exactly one year tomorrow. The source code was available in November. ICS may pass 25% by November, but that's not the issue. Whether it hits 25%, 26% or 28% is irrelevant - what's relevant is that after one year it's still a distant #2 in terms of the number of users.
If that is what you are meaning, then yes you are right, I read it differently than that, maybe you should have put one year from release.
Not aware of which part I'm referring to? ASLR is related to security and is someting anyone familiar with programming would understand. You asked me about security and I gave you an example. If you don't know what ASLR is, then I see no point in trying to debate iOS vs Android security issues with you.
yes, I didn't know what part you were referencing as you bunched your reply up into one section, but security, thanks that makes sense.
ICs was announced on Oct 19th which makes it exactly one year tomorrow. The source code was available in November. ICS may pass 25% by November, but that's not the issue. Whether it hits 25%, 26% or 28% is irrelevant - what's relevant is that after one year it's still a distant #2 in terms of the number of users.
Gingerbread seems to be the 'XP' of Android. Sad, but honestly, I don't see what more can be done on Google's part. The ball is in the manufacturer's court; and they're not really interested in updating old, outdated hardware.
I've basically crossed out any Samsung or HTC phone from consideration based solely on their custom skin and reluctance or flat out unwillingness to upgrade their old phones. Most enthusiast users I know have sworn to only consider Nexus devices, and with good reason. I feel the only other Android manufacturer that warrants consideration at this point is Asus, and even they have been slow on upgrades.
Does that fact that Carriers and OEMs suck at updating devices mean that google has to halt development of android. Google is doing what they need to do and that is innovating and supporting the OS. Do not get mad at google for updating the OS.
Maybe it's a bug fix. It sounds as though their OS releases get released faster than the users can install them. They still don't have many users with ICS or JB.
Unlike the Apple ecosystem, android users rarely are allowed to install the latest OS. When I bought my smart phone it had Gingerbread and was still running that flavor THREE years later when I finally bought my iPhone last month.
This high built-in inertia means the latest apps for Android are built to accommodate the mass of users still on Gingerbread phones and not those with a brand new android phone.
Does that fact that Carriers and OEMs suck at updating devices mean that google has to halt development of android. Google is doing what they need to do and that is innovating and supporting the OS. Do not get mad at google for updating the OS.
However, do not overlook Google's own factor in this farce. Google re-wrote the terms and conditions the OEMs have to agree to if they want to use the newer flavors of android. These new restrictive terms discourage the OEMs from jumping onto the upgrade bandwagon. This is what happens when you (the user) are not Google's customer... just the product to be sold to their real customers.
iOS 4 was piss poor on the 3G yet Apple allowed it... Turned my phone into a paperweight, was awesome. Now because of that my wife is afraid to update her 3GS...
.. .but... but... but what a beautiful, thin, and highly crafted paperweight it became... You never see android phone owners making that brag statement!
What's amazing is the mentality that upgrading is a necessity or that somehow one suffers from not being able to install the latest version. Gingerbread is kinda dated but still works just fine.
The people should be able to upgrade their OS. It's their right! I remember in 1993 I bought a 286 PC with very small amount of RAM. I wanted to install Windows 3.1 and I did install it! Yes, it was very sluggish and I had to wait like 20 minutes to boot, but it was my right to install it! This is the most important reason why I will not move from Apple to Android. I don't like a lot of things Apple does, but I'm left out of alternatives so I'm stuck with Apple for now. Unfortunately. Just yesterday I needed to use the Maps to find the location of a bank. I pull out my iPhone but I realize I don't have Google Maps anymore! I still tried to search but, of course, Apple Maps did not return any result! I had to go home to my laptop and check Google Maps! Why did I upgraded to iOS 6?!?
The only pie i'd like to see now is the pie-chart of the Android version market. How many people still run 2.2, 2.3, 3.0, 3.2, 4.0, 4.1, 4.2. Samsung's latest offering (SGS3) still runs outdated OS and Samsung says the update is coming in a few months. So it will come out AFTER Keylime Pie released and by that time Samsung will be already 1-2 versions behind. Wow.
The people should be able to upgrade their OS. It's their right! I remember in 1993 I bought a 286 PC with very small amount of RAM. I wanted to install Windows 3.1 and I did install it! Yes, it was very sluggish and I had to wait like 20 minutes to boot, but it was my right to install it! This is the most important reason why I will not move from Apple to Android. I don't like a lot of things Apple does, but I'm left out of alternatives so I'm stuck with Apple for now. Unfortunately. Just yesterday I needed to use the Maps to find the location of a bank. I pull out my iPhone but I realize I don't have Google Maps anymore! I still tried to search but, of course, Apple Maps did not return any result! I had to go home to my laptop and check Google Maps! Why did I upgraded to iOS 6?!?
And what about the right to upgrade the RAM on your PC so that it can run the latest programs well? Apple is clearly going in the direction opposite to that.
The only pie i'd like to see now is the pie-chart of the Android version market. How many people still run 2.2, 2.3, 3.0, 3.2, 4.0, 4.1, 4.2.
Samsung's latest offering (SGS3) still runs outdated OS and Samsung says the update is coming in a few months. So it will come out AFTER Keylime Pie released and by that time Samsung will be already 1-2 versions behind. Wow.
If you want to see that page then why don't you look at the Google Android Developers page with that pie on it?
Also, Jelly Bean has been released for the SIII, how is that outdated?
That's not Google's fault, but Samsung and others' fault. They will have to change since the average user is beginning to understand that non-Nexus phones aren't that well supported. That's also why Google is apparently going to do a few Nexus phones at the same time.
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Originally Posted by bryanl
ICS is only about a year old. It was released this time last year with the Galaxy Nexus. And general availability in the US wasn't until December if I remember correctly. JB came out on June 27th.
“Samsung are working as quickly as possible to address Australian market specific issues for the Samsung Galaxy Nexus. We will launch the Jellybean software as soon as the software has met all our quality checks and is network tested and approved by our partners.” - 12/10/2012
Update 16/10/2012:
Samsung have now confirmed to us that the build that is currently under preparation is based on the Android 4.1.2 codebase.
We do not have any further information to share on expected delivery from Samsung for testing or when it will be available to customers.
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The race is on, which will come first key lime pie or jelly bean on my Nexus.
Samsung have always been poor with their software updates, going all the way back to their Symbian and WinMo days.
I can't see how Google could have trusted them with one Nexus let alone two
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Originally Posted by jfanning
yes I do, you said
"23.7% are on ICS and 1.8% are on JB. ICS might even hit 25% a full year later."
If you look at that page, and see the increase in use ICS has had, you would know it will be far in excess of 25% in a year.
Sorry, I'm not sure what part of my message you are referring to?
ICs was announced on Oct 19th which makes it exactly one year tomorrow. The source code was available in November. ICS may pass 25% by November, but that's not the issue. Whether it hits 25%, 26% or 28% is irrelevant - what's relevant is that after one year it's still a distant #2 in terms of the number of users.
Not aware of which part I'm referring to? ASLR is related to security and is someting anyone familiar with programming would understand. You asked me about security and I gave you an example. If you don't know what ASLR is, then I see no point in trying to debate iOS vs Android security issues with you.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
yes I do, you said
"23.7% are on ICS and 1.8% are on JB. ICS might even hit 25% a full year later."
If you look at that page, and see the increase in use ICS has had, you would know it will be far in excess of 25% in a year.
I read that to be that ICS might hit 25% one full year after release. Which was in October 19, 2011.
Somehow I'm not seeing ICS penetration to be "far in excess of 25%" by tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by mstone
Probably if you jailbreak it. The point is that Apple doesn't want you to because it would be a poor user experience.
iOS 4 was piss poor on the 3G yet Apple allowed it... Turned my phone into a paperweight, was awesome. Now because of that my wife is afraid to update her 3GS...
If that is what you are meaning, then yes you are right, I read it differently than that, maybe you should have put one year from release.
yes, I didn't know what part you were referencing as you bunched your reply up into one section, but security, thanks that makes sense.
Gingerbread seems to be the 'XP' of Android. Sad, but honestly, I don't see what more can be done on Google's part. The ball is in the manufacturer's court; and they're not really interested in updating old, outdated hardware.
I've basically crossed out any Samsung or HTC phone from consideration based solely on their custom skin and reluctance or flat out unwillingness to upgrade their old phones. Most enthusiast users I know have sworn to only consider Nexus devices, and with good reason. I feel the only other Android manufacturer that warrants consideration at this point is Asus, and even they have been slow on upgrades.
Does that fact that Carriers and OEMs suck at updating devices mean that google has to halt development of android. Google is doing what they need to do and that is innovating and supporting the OS. Do not get mad at google for updating the OS.
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Originally Posted by drblank
Maybe it's a bug fix. It sounds as though their OS releases get released faster than the users can install them. They still don't have many users with ICS or JB.
Unlike the Apple ecosystem, android users rarely are allowed to install the latest OS. When I bought my smart phone it had Gingerbread and was still running that flavor THREE years later when I finally bought my iPhone last month.
This high built-in inertia means the latest apps for Android are built to accommodate the mass of users still on Gingerbread phones and not those with a brand new android phone.
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Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung
Does that fact that Carriers and OEMs suck at updating devices mean that google has to halt development of android. Google is doing what they need to do and that is innovating and supporting the OS. Do not get mad at google for updating the OS.
However, do not overlook Google's own factor in this farce. Google re-wrote the terms and conditions the OEMs have to agree to if they want to use the newer flavors of android. These new restrictive terms discourage the OEMs from jumping onto the upgrade bandwagon. This is what happens when you (the user) are not Google's customer... just the product to be sold to their real customers.
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Originally Posted by Mikeb85
iOS 4 was piss poor on the 3G yet Apple allowed it... Turned my phone into a paperweight, was awesome. Now because of that my wife is afraid to update her 3GS...
.. .but... but... but what a beautiful, thin, and highly crafted paperweight it became... You never see android phone owners making that brag statement!
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Originally Posted by hill60
Haggis on a stick with chocolate chips, going on the prior example of American food in this thread.
If it's going to be Americanized, then it will be deep fried haggis on a stick and rolled in ketchup.
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Originally Posted by hill60
Samsung have always been poor with their software updates, going all the way back to their Symbian and WinMo days.
I can't see how Google could have trusted them with one Nexus let alone two
Apparently Google trusts Samsung more then they do Motorola since that poor dog hasn't been thrown a bone yet...
What's amazing is the mentality that upgrading is a necessity or that somehow one suffers from not being able to install the latest version. Gingerbread is kinda dated but still works just fine.
The people should be able to upgrade their OS. It's their right! I remember in 1993 I bought a 286 PC with very small amount of RAM. I wanted to install Windows 3.1 and I did install it! Yes, it was very sluggish and I had to wait like 20 minutes to boot, but it was my right to install it! This is the most important reason why I will not move from Apple to Android. I don't like a lot of things Apple does, but I'm left out of alternatives so I'm stuck with Apple for now. Unfortunately. Just yesterday I needed to use the Maps to find the location of a bank. I pull out my iPhone but I realize I don't have Google Maps anymore! I still tried to search but, of course, Apple Maps did not return any result! I had to go home to my laptop and check Google Maps! Why did I upgraded to iOS 6?!?Samsung's latest offering (SGS3) still runs outdated OS and Samsung says the update is coming in a few months. So it will come out AFTER Keylime Pie released and by that time Samsung will be already 1-2 versions behind. Wow.
Also impatient to see some new Nexus phones.
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Originally Posted by NelsonX
The people should be able to upgrade their OS. It's their right! I remember in 1993 I bought a 286 PC with very small amount of RAM. I wanted to install Windows 3.1 and I did install it! Yes, it was very sluggish and I had to wait like 20 minutes to boot, but it was my right to install it! This is the most important reason why I will not move from Apple to Android. I don't like a lot of things Apple does, but I'm left out of alternatives so I'm stuck with Apple for now. Unfortunately. Just yesterday I needed to use the Maps to find the location of a bank. I pull out my iPhone but I realize I don't have Google Maps anymore! I still tried to search but, of course, Apple Maps did not return any result! I had to go home to my laptop and check Google Maps! Why did I upgraded to iOS 6?!?And what about the right to upgrade the RAM on your PC so that it can run the latest programs well? Apple is clearly going in the direction opposite to that.
If you want to see that page then why don't you look at the Google Android Developers page with that pie on it?
Also, Jelly Bean has been released for the SIII, how is that outdated?
His info seems outdated.
The uptake of active users for each new version of Android seems to get slower and slower, smaller and smaller.
Android is out running it own hardware and increasing fragmentation.
The majority are still on what? 2.3... with new phones still coming out on it.
iOS 6 on the other hand now makes up the majority on all iOS devices... just weeks after launch.
That's not Google's fault, but Samsung and others' fault. They will have to change since the average user is beginning to understand that non-Nexus phones aren't that well supported. That's also why Google is apparently going to do a few Nexus phones at the same time.