It needs to be a speed update, like A6 also. The new iPad is no faster than the iPad 2 because of the cycles needed to handle the retina display. A lightning connector only change will make little sense if the 2013 iPad version would be 3-4 months out after XMas.
Yeah, the iPad line unexpectedly is now half the speed of the iPhone 5. Typically, the iPad is faster than the current iPhone.
If they release an iPad Mini, they might use the A5X like in the iPod Touch for price but the big iPad could really use a higher-clocked A6 because the iPad Mini will be faster due to running a lower-res display. You can't have the iPad Mini being faster than the iPad. There's no reason to wait until next year for this.
This would be the iPad 4, it doesn't have to be updated at set intervals.
The usual schedule doesn't make much sense because the iPad is ideal for Christmas and people know the next one is out in March so why buy the old one for Christmas?
I think this is great because they will have to drop the prices of the old 'new iPad' and iPad 2 as they will be discontinued lines. If the new 'new iPad' is $499, the old 'new iPad' will have to be $399 and the iPad 2 $299 until they go out of stock. If this sort of thing happens, iPad sales will go through the roof. 90% marketshare incoming.
But when has that ever happened? If it did (and I think it may have), it would have been pre-2006.
The closest equivalent is a mid-cycle introduction of additional models, such as a doubled-capacity iPhone, a Verizon model or another model of iPod with a bigger drive. I think iPod U2 was introduced a couple months later.
I really don't think it should be a big deal either way. But if Apple actually does it, then I would take it as a possibility that Apple might update all iDevices on the early fall annual cycle.
Unifying the technology isn't such a bad thing, and if the OCD people decide they must buy this, that's not Apple's fault, it's their own fault for not getting their OCD condition treated.
So those of us who bought the original iPad 3 with it's overheating and short battery life can swap it for free?
Such a quick release of an update is surely an admission by Apple that it was a dud.
I think you should have tried to exchange yours. Mine has not had these issues. If your iPad is as warm as the bottom of a typical laptop, then it's defective and should be exchanged.
Well now. I see we have tried to pawn off the concept of a so called "iPad Mini" as having the lighting connector. Why NOT!!! Why would a company that is a stickler for details relaese an old dock connector on a new device that is now the standard. I can't wait to see this uniot released. I plan to be watching the updates when the keynote is being performed. Yet one never knows what is gonna be presented.
I'm guessing you misread, this is the current iPad getting the new connector not the mini.
I can say the same thing about the iPad 2, the one everyone loves. I can say the same thing about the iPhone 4 (not 4S). Doesn't make any of it true.
I'm just saying that if Apple did have IGZO, they didn't have to put in the 42.5 Watt-hour battery. IGZO rumors have been long running. Also the rumors about the problems with the yield. I don't think it's plan A to put in that big battery and increase battery charging time. I believe it's plan B. Plan A was having IGZO ready. But everything is possible. Could be plan A. It's just an opinion. No need to state: "…you're making things up to suit your fantasies." This is a rumor site. Everything is fantasy!!!
I'm just saying that if Apple did have IGZO, they didn't have to put in the 42.5 Watt-hour battery. IGZO rumors have been long running. Also the rumors about the problems with the yield. I don't think it's plan A to put in that big battery and increase battery charging time. I believe it's plan B. Plan A was having IGZO ready. But everything is possible. Could be plan A. It's just an opinion. No need to state: "…you're making things up to suit your fantasies." This is a rumor site. Everything is fantasy!!!
I think it's more likely that Apple knew that a more efficient display tech, better than Cortex-A9 tech, and 32nm chips weren't going to be possible for the Spring 2012 release but they wanted to counter the market with unit sales as well as profits — like the PMP iPod market, not the iPhone and PC markets — so they made the unique decision to go thicker for this one release because Retina on the iPad was too big a pro to pass up when compared to the several cons that were required for its release.
I personally wish it was thinner, lighter and the batter lasted longer but I wouldn't trade any of those three if it meant not having the Retina display.
Unless they're going to make other changes to the iPad (like release a fourth generation), I don't think they'll update the current iPad with a Lightning port. Case in point: neither the iPhone 4 or 4S were updated and they still sell the iPod Classic, which uses the 30-pin connector. There's no reason to move all their products to the new port, especially since there aren't many 3rd party peripherals/accessories that support it yet.
Unless they're going to make other changes to the iPad (like release a fourth generation), I don't think they'll update the current iPad with a Lightning port. Case in point: neither the iPhone 4 or 4S were updated and they still sell the iPod Classic, which uses the 30-pin connector. There's no reason to move all their products to the new port, especially since there aren't many 3rd party peripherals/accessories that support it yet.
It certainly would be unprecedented in many ways. If they do up date it to a 4th gen there are two things that would seem very likely to me. One, they are trying to cut off all competitors before they can get any foothold in the tablet market. Two, we might not get a Spring update but move to a Fall update. If the second is in fact accurate then that would then leave a hole in the Spring cycle which tells me we should expect a new product category then. Perhaps the long rumoured Apple HDTV or Apple digibox.
Yeah, the iPad line unexpectedly is now half the speed of the iPhone 5. Typically, the iPad is faster than the current iPhone.
If they release an iPad Mini, they might use the A5X like in the iPod Touch for price but the big iPad could really use a higher-clocked A6 because the iPad Mini will be faster due to running a lower-res display. You can't have the iPad Mini being faster than the iPad. There's no reason to wait until next year for this.
This would be the iPad 4, it doesn't have to be updated at set intervals.
The usual schedule doesn't make much sense because the iPad is ideal for Christmas and people know the next one is out in March so why buy the old one for Christmas?
I think this is great because they will have to drop the prices of the old 'new iPad' and iPad 2 as they will be discontinued lines. If the new 'new iPad' is $499, the old 'new iPad' will have to be $399 and the iPad 2 $299 until they go out of stock. If this sort of thing happens, iPad sales will go through the roof. 90% marketshare incoming.
Unless there is some specific processor ready to be used in the wings, I don't think that they will change the processors at all.
If you assume they have that better screen technology available and that they are using it for both the new mini as well as the revamp of the iPad 3, then it's not necessary. If they use the better screen, then they don't need the bigger battery, then the device is thinner/lighter etc. This would also give Apple a unified line of two products both using the same screen/battery/processor technology and construction.
I still think Apple will unveil their TV in spring 2013 to take advantage of people getting their tax refunds and they won't be releasing any other NEW products to divide peoples money and attention (mostly just mild updates). So by Fall 2013 the TV would have been out for a few months and developers would have some time to create modified games and etc to take advantage of it's larger display and more powerful processor and won't have any other all-new products to split their focus.
People who cries and yells for the ipad update, please consider the potential new ipad buyers in next half year and most importantly: the accessories developers.
This ipad update can remove the hesitation of everyone. Developers and buyers can put their own effort to develop and buy lightning gadgets.
It makes less sense that Apple wouldn't update the retina iPad when releasing the iPad mini, at least to give it the Lightning port.
If they didn't then the larger, superior and more expensive model would have older, legacy technology. Apple doesn't tend to roll that way. I can't think of too many (any) examples where Apple concurrently sold a more expensive product in the same line that had an inferior specification.
The mid-year refresh, if it eventuates, will simply be a one-off, unavoidable by-product of releasing a new model coinciding with a once-a-decade update to their connection interface.
They will probably keep the specifications roughly similar, though I'm hoping for a smaller fabrication process and longer battery life!
It makes less sense that Apple wouldn't update the retina iPad when releasing the iPad mini, at least to give it the Lightning port.
If they didn't then the larger, superior and more expensive model would have older, legacy technology. Apple doesn't tend to roll that way. I can't think of too many (any) examples where Apple concurrently sold a more expensive product in the same line that had an inferior specification.
The mid-year refresh, if it eventuates, will simply be a one-off, unavoidable by-product of releasing a new model coinciding with a once-a-decade update to their connection interface.
They will probably keep the specifications roughly similar, though I'm hoping for a smaller fabrication process and longer battery life!
The specs between the two, the lightning port, and compatibility with older accessories... these are things that YOU are very aware of. Not so for everyone else. Maybe they know one of the three. Maybe they don't know or care. They look at the price and its value as a tool in their lives.
As long as the product provides real or perceived value at a competitive/acceptable price, people will buy it. Don't worry.
There were people who paid $199 for the iPhone 4S a week before the iPhone 5 was released. Maybe even two days before. So what?
It is true, though, that Apple wanted IGZO, but had problems getting them in quantity. The new iPad is at best a stopgap. Why? Because of the battery. That is an 42.5-watt-hour battery in the new iPad. It makes the new iPad thicker, heavier and charging time is way too long compared to iPad 2. But more importantly, it costs Apple more money to put in a battery almost twice the rating of the iPad 2.
So Apple was in a pickle. They really wanted to give people IGZO with the thin form factor and 25-watt-hour battery that charges fast (very important in education environment), but they couldn't get it out the door in March. So Apple CEO Cook might have been the practical guy, more so than Jobs. He may have said, get this stopgab out, because we need something new; and we get the better screen and smaller battery later in the year. Unprecedented upgrade cycle for Apple? Maybe, but maybe Cook is a more practical man.
Very intelligent.
I don't think this is ALL fantasy. The story is logical and is based on some known facts: IGZO not ready for prime time, outside expectations, and Cook's style.
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Yeah, the iPad line unexpectedly is now half the speed of the iPhone 5. Typically, the iPad is faster than the current iPhone.
If they release an iPad Mini, they might use the A5X like in the iPod Touch for price but the big iPad could really use a higher-clocked A6 because the iPad Mini will be faster due to running a lower-res display. You can't have the iPad Mini being faster than the iPad. There's no reason to wait until next year for this.
This would be the iPad 4, it doesn't have to be updated at set intervals.
The usual schedule doesn't make much sense because the iPad is ideal for Christmas and people know the next one is out in March so why buy the old one for Christmas?
I think this is great because they will have to drop the prices of the old 'new iPad' and iPad 2 as they will be discontinued lines. If the new 'new iPad' is $499, the old 'new iPad' will have to be $399 and the iPad 2 $299 until they go out of stock. If this sort of thing happens, iPad sales will go through the roof. 90% marketshare incoming.
The closest equivalent is a mid-cycle introduction of additional models, such as a doubled-capacity iPhone, a Verizon model or another model of iPod with a bigger drive. I think iPod U2 was introduced a couple months later.
I really don't think it should be a big deal either way. But if Apple actually does it, then I would take it as a possibility that Apple might update all iDevices on the early fall annual cycle.
Unifying the technology isn't such a bad thing, and if the OCD people decide they must buy this, that's not Apple's fault, it's their own fault for not getting their OCD condition treated.
I think you should have tried to exchange yours. Mine has not had these issues. If your iPad is as warm as the bottom of a typical laptop, then it's defective and should be exchanged.
Originally Posted by melmel
The iPad mini is not the $399 iPad 2.
The iPad mini is also not the $399 iPad 3 next spring.
The mini and full-sized iPads belong to different lines of the same product category.
And? So what? Look at Apple's product lines.
The iPhone does not have any smaller models. It sells last year's model cheaper.
The iPod does not have any older models. It sells smaller models cheaper.
Why would the iPad have both?
Originally Posted by John F.
The new iPad is at best a stopgap. Why? Because…
…you're making things up to suit your fantasies.
I can say the same thing about the iPad 2, the one everyone loves. I can say the same thing about the iPhone 4 (not 4S). Doesn't make any of it true.
I'm guessing you misread, this is the current iPad getting the new connector not the mini.
If they do it for the iPad (3) I'd be very surprised if the iPad 2, iPhone 4, and 4S also get the Lightning connector update.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
…you're making things up to suit your fantasies.
I can say the same thing about the iPad 2, the one everyone loves. I can say the same thing about the iPhone 4 (not 4S). Doesn't make any of it true.
I'm just saying that if Apple did have IGZO, they didn't have to put in the 42.5 Watt-hour battery. IGZO rumors have been long running. Also the rumors about the problems with the yield. I don't think it's plan A to put in that big battery and increase battery charging time. I believe it's plan B. Plan A was having IGZO ready. But everything is possible. Could be plan A. It's just an opinion. No need to state: "…you're making things up to suit your fantasies." This is a rumor site. Everything is fantasy!!!
I think it's more likely that Apple knew that a more efficient display tech, better than Cortex-A9 tech, and 32nm chips weren't going to be possible for the Spring 2012 release but they wanted to counter the market with unit sales as well as profits — like the
PMPiPod market, not the iPhone and PC markets — so they made the unique decision to go thicker for this one release because Retina on the iPad was too big a pro to pass up when compared to the several cons that were required for its release.I personally wish it was thinner, lighter and the batter lasted longer but I wouldn't trade any of those three if it meant not having the Retina display.
This forged picture is just hillarious.
Unless they're going to make other changes to the iPad (like release a fourth generation), I don't think they'll update the current iPad with a Lightning port. Case in point: neither the iPhone 4 or 4S were updated and they still sell the iPod Classic, which uses the 30-pin connector. There's no reason to move all their products to the new port, especially since there aren't many 3rd party peripherals/accessories that support it yet.
It certainly would be unprecedented in many ways. If they do up date it to a 4th gen there are two things that would seem very likely to me. One, they are trying to cut off all competitors before they can get any foothold in the tablet market. Two, we might not get a Spring update but move to a Fall update. If the second is in fact accurate then that would then leave a hole in the Spring cycle which tells me we should expect a new product category then. Perhaps the long rumoured Apple HDTV or Apple digibox.
The tech world is spinning faster, and...
1. Apple sees the need to bump the specs on their products more often.
2. Newer tech can be folded into the products more often then once a year.
3. Apple wants to serve notice to the competition that they can (and will) disrupt the markets at any time; not just once a year.
4. Competition is heating up and Apple needs to retain market leader status by being more active at disrupting the markets.
5. Any or all of the above are possible before using "price" to own the market.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
Yeah, the iPad line unexpectedly is now half the speed of the iPhone 5. Typically, the iPad is faster than the current iPhone.
If they release an iPad Mini, they might use the A5X like in the iPod Touch for price but the big iPad could really use a higher-clocked A6 because the iPad Mini will be faster due to running a lower-res display. You can't have the iPad Mini being faster than the iPad. There's no reason to wait until next year for this.
This would be the iPad 4, it doesn't have to be updated at set intervals.
The usual schedule doesn't make much sense because the iPad is ideal for Christmas and people know the next one is out in March so why buy the old one for Christmas?
I think this is great because they will have to drop the prices of the old 'new iPad' and iPad 2 as they will be discontinued lines. If the new 'new iPad' is $499, the old 'new iPad' will have to be $399 and the iPad 2 $299 until they go out of stock. If this sort of thing happens, iPad sales will go through the roof. 90% marketshare incoming.
Unless there is some specific processor ready to be used in the wings, I don't think that they will change the processors at all.
If you assume they have that better screen technology available and that they are using it for both the new mini as well as the revamp of the iPad 3, then it's not necessary. If they use the better screen, then they don't need the bigger battery, then the device is thinner/lighter etc. This would also give Apple a unified line of two products both using the same screen/battery/processor technology and construction.
I still think Apple will unveil their TV in spring 2013 to take advantage of people getting their tax refunds and they won't be releasing any other NEW products to divide peoples money and attention (mostly just mild updates). So by Fall 2013 the TV would have been out for a few months and developers would have some time to create modified games and etc to take advantage of it's larger display and more powerful processor and won't have any other all-new products to split their focus.
Um if the world was like that you would get a new android Every Day!
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Originally Posted by ascii
So those of us who bought the original iPad 3 with it's overheating and short battery life can swap it for free?
Such a quick release of an update is surely an admission by Apple that it was a dud.
Um if the world was like that You would be getting an New Android Every Day!
This ipad update can remove the hesitation of everyone. Developers and buyers can put their own effort to develop and buy lightning gadgets.
I don't see why people is unhappy about this.
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
3. Apple wants to serve notice to the competition that they can (and will) disrupt the markets at any time; not just once a year.
Apple The Disruptor?
I like that.
Kind of like Gozer The Destroyer.
It makes less sense that Apple wouldn't update the retina iPad when releasing the iPad mini, at least to give it the Lightning port.
If they didn't then the larger, superior and more expensive model would have older, legacy technology. Apple doesn't tend to roll that way. I can't think of too many (any) examples where Apple concurrently sold a more expensive product in the same line that had an inferior specification.
The mid-year refresh, if it eventuates, will simply be a one-off, unavoidable by-product of releasing a new model coinciding with a once-a-decade update to their connection interface.
They will probably keep the specifications roughly similar, though I'm hoping for a smaller fabrication process and longer battery life!
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Originally Posted by s.metcalf
It makes less sense that Apple wouldn't update the retina iPad when releasing the iPad mini, at least to give it the Lightning port.
If they didn't then the larger, superior and more expensive model would have older, legacy technology. Apple doesn't tend to roll that way. I can't think of too many (any) examples where Apple concurrently sold a more expensive product in the same line that had an inferior specification.
The mid-year refresh, if it eventuates, will simply be a one-off, unavoidable by-product of releasing a new model coinciding with a once-a-decade update to their connection interface.
They will probably keep the specifications roughly similar, though I'm hoping for a smaller fabrication process and longer battery life!
The specs between the two, the lightning port, and compatibility with older accessories... these are things that YOU are very aware of. Not so for everyone else. Maybe they know one of the three. Maybe they don't know or care. They look at the price and its value as a tool in their lives.
As long as the product provides real or perceived value at a competitive/acceptable price, people will buy it. Don't worry.
There were people who paid $199 for the iPhone 4S a week before the iPhone 5 was released. Maybe even two days before. So what?
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Originally Posted by John F.
It is true, though, that Apple wanted IGZO, but had problems getting them in quantity. The new iPad is at best a stopgap. Why? Because of the battery. That is an 42.5-watt-hour battery in the new iPad. It makes the new iPad thicker, heavier and charging time is way too long compared to iPad 2. But more importantly, it costs Apple more money to put in a battery almost twice the rating of the iPad 2.
So Apple was in a pickle. They really wanted to give people IGZO with the thin form factor and 25-watt-hour battery that charges fast (very important in education environment), but they couldn't get it out the door in March. So Apple CEO Cook might have been the practical guy, more so than Jobs. He may have said, get this stopgab out, because we need something new; and we get the better screen and smaller battery later in the year. Unprecedented upgrade cycle for Apple? Maybe, but maybe Cook is a more practical man.
Very intelligent.
I don't think this is ALL fantasy. The story is logical and is based on some known facts: IGZO not ready for prime time, outside expectations, and Cook's style.