I find it kind of funny (if its true) if the engineers are complaining about not taking the phone out for testing considering the hillarious, PR-wrecking stories of them leaving highly-classified phones in bars. That's just inexcusable.
I agree with some posters here that if anything, Apple really needs to tighten the noose around the folks in China that leak the photos. It's a tough, if not impossible, job to do considering the countless steps in the supply chain that I would not even begin to visualize.
If anyone can do it, Tim Cook can. Every tech company out there would love to have Tim Cook's expertise in this area.
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Originally Posted by iVlad
Apple really needs to tighten security in China, not in its headquarters and labs.
Easy to say. Impossible to do. Do you tell Foxconn that another leak from their factory and you'll go to someone else for manufacturing? Two problems - first, you have to prove the leak is from a Foxconn employee. Second, who do you turn to as an alternative manufacturer? Get real. It may be possible to improve but impossible to prevent.
"Empty your pockets before going on shift. Violators will be docked a day's pay." Just like anywhere else, really.
perhaps they send the leaked parts by cockroaches outside the building. We've heard in many reports that there are plenty in employees' room, so what if they trained some? hehe
And why would they care about people mocking stuff up? They're pitched as mock-ups, not the actual product.
Because they are often very correct.
I know folks love taking the piss on this security thing but the leaks are coming a lot later than they used to so Apple likely sees that as an improvement
I've been saying all along that all of these leaks are ridiculous, and heads need to roll. Tightened security should definitely be a priority.
The only way they will end all leaks will be to create apple run factories that do everything including component building and the workers aren't allowed to leave or talk to no one on the outside
I find it kind of funny (if its true) if the engineers are complaining about not taking the phone out for testing considering the hillarious, PR-wrecking stories of them leaving highly-classified phones in bars. That's just inexcusable.
To me it sounds more like 'don't blame us that they suck, we were allowed to test them'
And these are just the PHYSICAL pieces. You want to talk about how "correct" mockups are, we have to take into account all the digital ones, too.
Ah, for reference, in order:
iPad (the first one)
5th gen iPod (what became the iPod video, this one says "iPod AV" on the back)
iPad mini, at the original iPad's launch
No clue, some sort of Newton successor
iHome, a mythical Apple DVR (yes, DVR), built according to what people thought it "should be" back then (this was, what, 2004?)
Now, to be fair, the iPad 2 was pretty close (wrong, but close), and it's that orange mold thing that has sold me on the thought that they might even make an iPad mini, but that's really it. As far as physical mockups either claiming to be real products about to be released or just claiming to be mockups of how an expected product could look, way more failure than success. Take digital ones into account and the ratio skyrockets in the same way.
2. If you believe and/or can read Chinese, there was one. A shot of internals (showing a hard drive that, while a standard spinning disk, is even harder to get to) and a claim that it's being redesigned.
Originally Posted by AnalogJack
No, just get over worrying about the leaks that do get out. After all it doesn't hurt them.
All I know is the original iPhone was the last product to come out of Apple that surprised everyone at the keynote. Ever since then, everything else has been leaked out months ahead of time.
Lets consider some differences here. They make millions of ribbons for iDevices for launch day. This means they need a long ramp up and/or multiple locations to produce such a component. These are easy to sneak out in a pocket, shoe, thermos, or even one's colon. So we have 1) a longer amount of time, 2) a lot more components being made, 3) a much higher mindshare for iOS-based devices, a and 4) much smaller components. Come on, where exactly are workers going to hid an iMac pedestal?
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Originally Posted by sflocal
I find it kind of funny (if its true) if the engineers are complaining about not taking the phone out for testing considering the hillarious, PR-wrecking stories of them leaving highly-classified phones in bars. That's just inexcusable.
I agree with some posters here that if anything, Apple really needs to tighten the noose around the folks in China that leak the photos. It's a tough, if not impossible, job to do considering the countless steps in the supply chain that I would not even begin to visualize.
If anyone can do it, Tim Cook can. Every tech company out there would love to have Tim Cook's expertise in this area.
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Originally Posted by iVlad
Apple really needs to tighten security in China, not in its headquarters and labs.
Easy to say. Impossible to do. Do you tell Foxconn that another leak from their factory and you'll go to someone else for manufacturing? Two problems - first, you have to prove the leak is from a Foxconn employee. Second, who do you turn to as an alternative manufacturer? Get real. It may be possible to improve but impossible to prevent.
It is a bit harder to prevent leaks now, with everyone carrying phones with cameras.
Originally Posted by pt123
It is a bit harder to prevent leaks now, with everyone carrying phones with cameras.
"Empty your pockets before going on shift. Violators will be docked a day's pay." Just like anywhere else, really.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
"Empty your pockets before going on shift. Violators will be docked a day's pay." Just like anywhere else, really.
perhaps they send the leaked parts by cockroaches outside the building. We've heard in many reports that there are plenty in employees' room, so what if they trained some? hehe
Because they are often very correct.
I know folks love taking the piss on this security thing but the leaks are coming a lot later than they used to so Apple likely sees that as an improvement
The only way they will end all leaks will be to create apple run factories that do everything including component building and the workers aren't allowed to leave or talk to no one on the outside
To me it sounds more like 'don't blame us that they suck, we were allowed to test them'
Originally Posted by charlituna
Because they are often very correct.
Yep! Often correct!
And these are just the PHYSICAL pieces. You want to talk about how "correct" mockups are, we have to take into account all the digital ones, too.
Ah, for reference, in order:
iPad (the first one)
5th gen iPod (what became the iPod video, this one says "iPod AV" on the back)
iPad mini, at the original iPad's launch
No clue, some sort of Newton successor
iHome, a mythical Apple DVR (yes, DVR), built according to what people thought it "should be" back then (this was, what, 2004?)
Now, to be fair, the iPad 2 was pretty close (wrong, but close), and it's that orange mold thing that has sold me on the thought that they might even make an iPad mini, but that's really it. As far as physical mockups either claiming to be real products about to be released or just claiming to be mockups of how an expected product could look, way more failure than success. Take digital ones into account and the ratio skyrockets in the same way.
Make no sense to tighten down on Apple security in the US, when it is the folks in China doing the leaking. Idiotic, instead.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
"Empty your pockets before going on shift. Violators will be docked a day's pay." Just like anywhere else, really.
Or no clothing allowed, total transparency.
Apple, you're a 100 billion dollar corporation now, leaks will happen, get over it.
Get over what? Security?
Why no imac leaks
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Get over what? Security?
No, just get over worrying about the leaks that do get out. After all it doesn't hurt them.
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Originally Posted by AnalogJack
Apple, you're a 100 billion dollar corporation now, leaks will happen, get over it.
Get over industrial espionage? That's like saying, yeah, theft will happen, let's condone it by saying "get over it" instead of trying to stop it.
How does it not hurt them?
Originally Posted by AnalogJack
Why no imac leaks
1. Because it isn't happening?
2. If you believe and/or can read Chinese, there was one. A shot of internals (showing a hard drive that, while a standard spinning disk, is even harder to get to) and a claim that it's being redesigned.
Originally Posted by AnalogJack
No, just get over worrying about the leaks that do get out. After all it doesn't hurt them.
Falsehoods.
Lets consider some differences here. They make millions of ribbons for iDevices for launch day. This means they need a long ramp up and/or multiple locations to produce such a component. These are easy to sneak out in a pocket, shoe, thermos, or even one's colon. So we have 1) a longer amount of time, 2) a lot more components being made, 3) a much higher mindshare for iOS-based devices, a and 4) much smaller components. Come on, where exactly are workers going to hid an iMac pedestal?