So you actually want a $3.50 cable that is of poor quality and induces noise into the connection? How stupid is that?
About as stupid as assuming all knockoff cables will continue to be this poor quality. While they will never approach Apple's quality, I'd think it logical to assume these were rushed to market. In the long-term the mass-manufacture of the chips/boards will likely improve the reliability of cables that we can buy 6-12 months from now.
Lightning cables only benefit Apple. I'm glad someone has managed to do this and hopefully many more companies start making 'knock offs'.
Either that or Apple does a u-turn and does the sensible thing by adding micro USB to every device.
That's absurd! This connector is much more modern in the way it works, and offers all users benefits. If you can't think that through, then you'd better start from the beginning.
So someone can just buy a real one from the Apple store and swap it with this fake and return it? If it looks identical, the store will easily take it back. Just be sure to use cash so it won't be traced back to you, if the store even figured it out. Even if they catch you, you can say that's the original cable that came with it, but I doubt they'll track it.
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About as stupid as assuming all knockoff cables will continue to be this poor quality. While they will never approach Apple's quality, I'd think it logical to assume these were rushed to market. In the long-term the mass-manufacture of the chips/boards will likely improve the reliability of cables that we can buy 6-12 months from now.
Of course the generalization doesn't mean they're all bad. But there is a risk, at least of wasting money and time. Generally unlicensed dock connector cables fell apart considerably quicker than licensed ones.
So you actually want a $3.50 cable that is of poor quality and induces noise into the connection? How stupid is that?
Yes, just to have in the car to charge the phone and tablets. As long as it provides power correctly I don't care much about any noise in the data parts.
I registered just to say that: WHAT WE HELL IS "the connection is "very noisy""???
It is DATA cable, for digital data! Digital signal physically can be noisy by itself, but it never effects the data you send! That is one of the main purposes why we use digital signals! Syncing and connecting to music player with USB-Lighting cable involves only digital signal, so WTF Frank Donghi is talking about? What you need silver handmade cable? Really?
Man, I'm so pissed as a student of telecommunication.
So someone can just buy a real one from the Apple store and swap it with this fake and return it? If it looks identical, the store will easily take it back. Just be sure to use cash so it won't be traced back to you, if the store even figured it out. Even if they catch you, you can say that's the original cable that came with it, but I doubt they'll track it.
Apple employees are not as dumb as you think or hope that they are. I am pretty sure they can tell an Apple cable from most 3rd party knockoffs because they seldom if ever look identical. Obviously you ethics are less than ideal.
Lightning cables only benefit Apple. I'm glad someone has managed to do this and hopefully many more companies start making 'knock offs'.
Either that or Apple does a u-turn and does the sensible thing by adding micro USB to every device.
Why so many people thinking USB is enough for this kind of device? The USB ports is just one of many signal that comes out of the iPod port, the number of pins in the micro-USB port is not enough to output digital and analog audio-video and can't serve has a USB host port for connecting other peripheral like the iPod dock port or the new Lightning port can do.
WHAT WE HELL IS "the connection is "very noisy""???
It is DATA cable, for digital data! Digital signal physically can be noisy by itself, but it never effects the data you send! That is one of the main purposes why we use digital signals!
Syncing and connecting to music player with USB-Lighting cable involves only digital signal, so WTF Frank Donghi is talking about? What you need silver handmade cable? Really?
Man, I'm so pissed as a student of telecommunication.
As a telecommunication worker for a Docsis 3.0 operator, I can tell you that you've get it wrong.
Digital signal like any other kinds of RF signal running thru air or wire are sensible to signal/noise ratio, Of course with digital signal the output quality doesn't degrade with the noise until you met the threshold, but you can still experiencing throughput degradation and performance issue (common in digital telecommunication using QAM signalling).
I've seen many poor USB cable that reduce the transferts speeds or have weirds issues. Beside, with the new Lightning to old iPod dock port adapter the audio DAC is in the cable, so the analog audio stage within third party adapter can be noisy
Why so many people thinking USB is enough for this kind of device? The USB ports is just one of many signal that comes out of the iPod port, the number of pins in the micro-USB port is not enough to output digital and analog audio-video and can't serve has a USB host port for connecting other peripheral like the iPod dock port or the new Lightning port can do.
I love Apple. I've owned Macs since 1994. But I have to say, the way Apple handled the launch of the lightning cable has been a big FAIL. Once they were set on the specs, they should have made it easy for partner companies to start making cables and adapters. It's crazy that we still have so few (if any?!?) iPhone 5 dock options, a month and a half after launch.
Luckily, this should be our last adapter change for many years.
Where is audio in/out and Analog/Digital Video? While have about the same amount of PIN, those in USB ports are not dynamically assign to route multiple signalling through the same port. USB is only good for Host-Device peering, not device to device
As a telecommunication worker for a Docsis 3.0 operator, I can tell you that you've get it wrong.
Digital signal like any other kinds of RF signal running thru air or wire are sensible to signal/noise ratio, Of course with digital signal the output quality doesn't degrade with the noise until you met the threshold, but you can still experiencing throughput degradation and performance issue (common in digital telecommunication using QAM signalling).
I've seen many poor USB cable that reduce the transferts speeds or have weirds issues.
I know all that. Digital or analog, SNR still has effect because signal is still signal and it has its' physical parameters. In this case noise can reduce the speed of data transfer, but not data quality. That is my point. Article claims that cable is working with syncing between PC and device, but with music player it has "noisy connection". What do they mean? Do they really mean that output sound has additional noise? Or they mean that connection between this two devices is so noisy, that it is not suitable to transfer data on decent speed for continious music playback?
I know all that. Digital or analog, SNR still has effect because signal is still signal and it has its' physical parameters. In this case noise can reduce the speed of data transfer, but not data quality. That is my point. Article claims that cable is working with syncing between PC and device, but with music player it has "noisy connection". What do they mean? Do they really mean that output sound has additional noise? Or they mean that connection between this two devices is so noisy, that it is not suitable to transfer data on decent speed for continious music playback?
I'm sorry I've change my post after your reply.
What is special about the Lightning to Apple Dock adapter is the audio DAC is within the cable's connector, a bad DAC or bad analog stage design can make it prone to analog noise if you're using the Dock audio output
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So you actually want a $3.50 cable that is of poor quality and induces noise into the connection? How stupid is that?
About as stupid as assuming all knockoff cables will continue to be this poor quality. While they will never approach Apple's quality, I'd think it logical to assume these were rushed to market. In the long-term the mass-manufacture of the chips/boards will likely improve the reliability of cables that we can buy 6-12 months from now.The only products sold by Apple with the company's legacy 30-pin connector are the iPad 2 and the iPod classic.
And the iPod touch 4th gen, and the iPhone 4S. All still available for purchase.
That's absurd! This connector is much more modern in the way it works, and offers all users benefits. If you can't think that through, then you'd better start from the beginning.
Not really.
There isn't any logic in troll posts.
I was wondering if anyone else noticed that.
Of course the generalization doesn't mean they're all bad. But there is a risk, at least of wasting money and time. Generally unlicensed dock connector cables fell apart considerably quicker than licensed ones.
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Originally Posted by lkrupp
So you actually want a $3.50 cable that is of poor quality and induces noise into the connection? How stupid is that?
Yes, just to have in the car to charge the phone and tablets. As long as it provides power correctly I don't care much about any noise in the data parts.
WHAT WE HELL IS "the connection is "very noisy""???
It is DATA cable, for digital data! Digital signal physically can be noisy by itself, but it never effects the data you send! That is one of the main purposes why we use digital signals!
Syncing and connecting to music player with USB-Lighting cable involves only digital signal, so WTF Frank Donghi is talking about? What you need silver handmade cable? Really?
Man, I'm so pissed as a student of telecommunication.
I think there are, but they're not enforced. Sometimes a lot will be confiscated and destroyed for PR benefit, but it really doesn't make a dent.
I don't really get the problem.
Apple OEM cables have been very good for me and any copies I have used have been terrible.
Apple's cable may cost 10x more but it'll last 10x longer and won't die and take your iOS device with it.
Since you get a cable in the box with the iOS device, you aren't required to buy another.
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Originally Posted by encino
So someone can just buy a real one from the Apple store and swap it with this fake and return it? If it looks identical, the store will easily take it back. Just be sure to use cash so it won't be traced back to you, if the store even figured it out. Even if they catch you, you can say that's the original cable that came with it, but I doubt they'll track it.
Apple employees are not as dumb as you think or hope that they are. I am pretty sure they can tell an Apple cable from most 3rd party knockoffs because they seldom if ever look identical. Obviously you ethics are less than ideal.
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Originally Posted by neiltc13
Lightning cables only benefit Apple. I'm glad someone has managed to do this and hopefully many more companies start making 'knock offs'.
Either that or Apple does a u-turn and does the sensible thing by adding micro USB to every device.
Why so many people thinking USB is enough for this kind of device? The USB ports is just one of many signal that comes out of the iPod port, the number of pins in the micro-USB port is not enough to output digital and analog audio-video and can't serve has a USB host port for connecting other peripheral like the iPod dock port or the new Lightning port can do.
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Originally Posted by tickelo
I registered just to say that:
WHAT WE HELL IS "the connection is "very noisy""???
It is DATA cable, for digital data! Digital signal physically can be noisy by itself, but it never effects the data you send! That is one of the main purposes why we use digital signals!
Syncing and connecting to music player with USB-Lighting cable involves only digital signal, so WTF Frank Donghi is talking about? What you need silver handmade cable? Really?
Man, I'm so pissed as a student of telecommunication.
As a telecommunication worker for a Docsis 3.0 operator, I can tell you that you've get it wrong.
Digital signal like any other kinds of RF signal running thru air or wire are sensible to signal/noise ratio, Of course with digital signal the output quality doesn't degrade with the noise until you met the threshold, but you can still experiencing throughput degradation and performance issue (common in digital telecommunication using QAM signalling).
I've seen many poor USB cable that reduce the transferts speeds or have weirds issues. Beside, with the new Lightning to old iPod dock port adapter the audio DAC is in the cable, so the analog audio stage within third party adapter can be noisy
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Originally Posted by BigMac2
Why so many people thinking USB is enough for this kind of device? The USB ports is just one of many signal that comes out of the iPod port, the number of pins in the micro-USB port is not enough to output digital and analog audio-video and can't serve has a USB host port for connecting other peripheral like the iPod dock port or the new Lightning port can do.
USB 3.0 has 9 pins too.
Luckily, this should be our last adapter change for many years.
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Originally Posted by mstone
USB 3.0 has 9 pins too.
Thank for the info,
Where is audio in/out and Analog/Digital Video? While have about the same amount of PIN, those in USB ports are not dynamically assign to route multiple signalling through the same port. USB is only good for Host-Device peering, not device to device
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Originally Posted by BigMac2
As a telecommunication worker for a Docsis 3.0 operator, I can tell you that you've get it wrong.
Digital signal like any other kinds of RF signal running thru air or wire are sensible to signal/noise ratio, Of course with digital signal the output quality doesn't degrade with the noise until you met the threshold, but you can still experiencing throughput degradation and performance issue (common in digital telecommunication using QAM signalling).
I've seen many poor USB cable that reduce the transferts speeds or have weirds issues.
I know all that. Digital or analog, SNR still has effect because signal is still signal and it has its' physical parameters. In this case noise can reduce the speed of data transfer, but not data quality. That is my point. Article claims that cable is working with syncing between PC and device, but with music player it has "noisy connection". What do they mean? Do they really mean that output sound has additional noise? Or they mean that connection between this two devices is so noisy, that it is not suitable to transfer data on decent speed for continious music playback?
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Originally Posted by tickelo
I know all that. Digital or analog, SNR still has effect because signal is still signal and it has its' physical parameters. In this case noise can reduce the speed of data transfer, but not data quality. That is my point. Article claims that cable is working with syncing between PC and device, but with music player it has "noisy connection". What do they mean? Do they really mean that output sound has additional noise? Or they mean that connection between this two devices is so noisy, that it is not suitable to transfer data on decent speed for continious music playback?
I'm sorry I've change my post after your reply.
What is special about the Lightning to Apple Dock adapter is the audio DAC is within the cable's connector, a bad DAC or bad analog stage design can make it prone to analog noise if you're using the Dock audio output