Noise i speak of, is a loud hum/buzz, when using the cable with a digital to analogues converter, such as the Algorythm Solo, http://www.moon-audio.com/cypher-labs-algorhythm-solo-dac.html which is non existent with the genuine Apple cable, this i believe is due to the lack of shielding on the Lightning plug.
This "noise" is also non existent on the genuine 30 pin adapters, but extremely bad when you use the adapter with the shielding removed, which is why i am "guessing" it is due to the lack of shielding.
I am not sure if DAC is inside of a data cable. I mean that is the point of putting DAC into cable which has lighting on one side and TYPE-A USB on another?
I was not clear enough and others have already corrected me, only the lightning to legacy iPod dock port adapter have the DAC inside the cable.
Other companies manufactured the 30 Pin connectors legally so I assume that we will indeed see some such cables. They will probably not be knockoff apple like this one, but will instead be branded to manufacturers. I assume that these will be available on Ebay for shipping from Hong Kong like most knockoffs though.
There will be licensed third party Lightning connector devices. The conference on Lighting connectors is happening in the next couple weeks, I think.
So, these cable sellers are actually getting a cheap version, spice it up and then reselling it at higher than usual prices? The inside still a cheap counterfeit.
MicroUSB is not "the sensible thing". It's a mechanically inferior connector which is less durable and doesn't do all the things Lightning can do. Lightning can support HDMI out and DVI out, and has dynamically-configurable pins so that it can support more interfaces in the future that don't even exist yet.
MicroUSB is also thicker, which is a consideration.
Apple knows what the sensible thing is far more than you.
I registered just to say that:
WHAT WE HELL IS "the connection is "very noisy""???
It is DATA cable, for digital data! Digital signal physically can be noisy by itself, but it never effects the data you send! That is one of the main purposes why we use digital signals!
Syncing and connecting to music player with USB-Lighting cable involves only digital signal, so WTF Frank Donghi is talking about? What you need silver handmade cable? Really?
Man, I'm so pissed as a student of telecommunication.
Noisy cabling in digital is just as important than in analog, sometimes, even more important. It depends on signal strength, as always. With analog, noise is imposed upon the signal, but the signal can still be used in a noisy environment. With digital, if the noise to too high, the signal is completely lost. This is why digital broadcasting cuts off more suddenly than does analog broadcasting.
It's also why we see digititus on Tv sometimes. When the noise rises above a certain level, the equipment can't distinguish between the noise and the bits, so we get random blocks appearing on screen. If the noise is too great, the signal disappears altogether. Really cheap digital cables cause a lot of problems, even though many people don't notice it. A 99 cent USB cable may seem fine, but it can cause a retransmission of the data a number of times, slowing everything down.
Where is audio in/out and Analog/Digital Video? While have about the same amount of PIN, those in USB ports are not dynamically assign to route multiple signalling through the same port. USB is only good for Host-Device peering, not device to device
USB3 is different from earlier implementations. It's more like FW in a number of ways. Transmission of audio and video streams is supported, unlike previously, where is was all packet based. It also relies less on a host for certain functions.
Still, it's much less versatile than the Lightning connector for third party hardware. Micro USB is almost useless for that purpose other than for some Midi equipment.
The real way to cutoff 3rd party cables is to have no cable at all. Wireless sync and charge. Not sure why Apple is not doing that and is playing games with the knock-off manufacturers.
As you should know, we can do wireless sync. Wireless charging is much less useful, even though some companies are making a big deal about it. You still need to have a charger plugged into a wall. Where's the advantage? So instead of having a small box at your wall outlet, and a thin cable to your device, you now need a device on your table to put your phone on to. That's supposed to be better? And it's less efficient, requires more hardware in the phone, and the charger costs more.
Well we will see how long they last, the only sure thing is that it will still cost you far more than if you were allowed to use non-proprietary aka industry standard connectors, and that will remain an unfortunate constant. I am all for standard connectors, what Apple could have done is to merge the above mentioned standard connectors side-to-side on its cord/adapters, you will still have the direction "issue" but the convenience of a single cord and ubiquitous industry standards.
Those industry standards arn't very versatile when compared to Apple's. Why should they take several steps backwards?
So, these cable sellers are actually getting a cheap version, spice it up and then reselling it at higher than usual prices? The inside still a cheap counterfeit.
Not sure about other manufacturers, all my cables use genuine Apple lightning connectors.
I got these to have a look at and experiment with.
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Noise i speak of, is a loud hum/buzz, when using the cable with a digital to analogues converter, such as the Algorythm Solo, http://www.moon-audio.com/cypher-labs-algorhythm-solo-dac.html which is non existent with the genuine Apple cable, this i believe is due to the lack of shielding on the Lightning plug.
This "noise" is also non existent on the genuine 30 pin adapters, but extremely bad when you use the adapter with the shielding removed, which is why i am "guessing" it is due to the lack of shielding.
Pictures of both the 30 pin adapters i dissembled, can be found on post 11 and 18 here, http://www.head-fi.org/t/631228/apple-lightning-dock-adapter-abandon-all-hope-all-ye-who-enter
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Originally Posted by tickelo
I am not sure if DAC is inside of a data cable. I mean that is the point of putting DAC into cable which has lighting on one side and TYPE-A USB on another?
I was not clear enough and others have already corrected me, only the lightning to legacy iPod dock port adapter have the DAC inside the cable.
There will be licensed third party Lightning connector devices. The conference on Lighting connectors is happening in the next couple weeks, I think.
MicroUSB is not "the sensible thing". It's a mechanically inferior connector which is less durable and doesn't do all the things Lightning can do. Lightning can support HDMI out and DVI out, and has dynamically-configurable pins so that it can support more interfaces in the future that don't even exist yet.
MicroUSB is also thicker, which is a consideration.
Apple knows what the sensible thing is far more than you.
Noisy cabling in digital is just as important than in analog, sometimes, even more important. It depends on signal strength, as always. With analog, noise is imposed upon the signal, but the signal can still be used in a noisy environment. With digital, if the noise to too high, the signal is completely lost. This is why digital broadcasting cuts off more suddenly than does analog broadcasting.
It's also why we see digititus on Tv sometimes. When the noise rises above a certain level, the equipment can't distinguish between the noise and the bits, so we get random blocks appearing on screen. If the noise is too great, the signal disappears altogether. Really cheap digital cables cause a lot of problems, even though many people don't notice it. A 99 cent USB cable may seem fine, but it can cause a retransmission of the data a number of times, slowing everything down.
USB3 is different from earlier implementations. It's more like FW in a number of ways. Transmission of audio and video streams is supported, unlike previously, where is was all packet based. It also relies less on a host for certain functions.
Still, it's much less versatile than the Lightning connector for third party hardware. Micro USB is almost useless for that purpose other than for some Midi equipment.
As you should know, we can do wireless sync. Wireless charging is much less useful, even though some companies are making a big deal about it. You still need to have a charger plugged into a wall. Where's the advantage? So instead of having a small box at your wall outlet, and a thin cable to your device, you now need a device on your table to put your phone on to. That's supposed to be better? And it's less efficient, requires more hardware in the phone, and the charger costs more.
Some advantage!
Those industry standards arn't very versatile when compared to Apple's. Why should they take several steps backwards?
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Originally Posted by ipen
The real way to cutoff 3rd party cables is to have no cable at all.
Soooooo sloooooooow. Anywhere from 10-50GB over the air? It would take hours.
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Originally Posted by Splash-reverse
So, these cable sellers are actually getting a cheap version, spice it up and then reselling it at higher than usual prices? The inside still a cheap counterfeit.
Not sure about other manufacturers, all my cables use genuine Apple lightning connectors.
I got these to have a look at and experiment with.
Double post.