Jony Ive expected to replace iOS, OS X textures with clean edges & flat surfaces

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  • Reply 41 of 198
    steven n.steven n. Posts: 1,127member
    alansky wrote: »
    If Jony Ive places functionality above all else, why is the new iMac so thin that the RAM is now non-upgradable? How is that a benefit to anyone (unless you spend your time gazing fondly at the new iMac's slim profile)?!

    Weight.

    Size.

    Highly valuable functions.

    Next.
  • Reply 42 of 198


    Groan.


     


    New York Times discovers 'skeuomorphism', trots out some bogus experts!

  • Reply 43 of 198
    cpsrocpsro Posts: 2,516member

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    Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post


    I think Forestall is (perhaps unconsciously) aping his mentor again by getting "fired" at the peak of his career.  Remember, Jobs was an abrasive asshole as a young man also.  Now Forestall will spend a few years in "exile" doing some other project that won't work out, only to return to Apple after he has matured as a saviour of sorts in 2022 after Tim dies and Schiller has retired to his lazy-boy recliner. 



    Forstall (get the spelling right, if you really care) apes his mentor because he lacks originality, charisma and essential leadership qualities. Forstall is no Jobs and will not be coming back to Apple.


     


    Craig Federighi has a lengthy history that goes back to NeXT Enterprise Objects. Fed seems far more well-rounded, emotionally balanced, and genuine than Forstall.


     


    Did anyone else notice Bertrand Serlet, ex-Apple employee for over a year now, sitting in the front section with other Apple execs?

  • Reply 44 of 198
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 31,957member
    I disagree. The fake leather look is completely ornamental and non-functional. Even if Forstall stayed on, it would probably be replaced with some other thing texture-of-the-moment in 2-3 years, since it has no basis in function. I think it's completely at odds with Apple's philosophy and aesthetic. An "Intel Inside" sticker wouldn't hurt anybody either, but it would be a travesty on an Apple machine. Ditto ripped paper, glossy wood, etc. They're distracting to the eye and only stick around until some designer falls in love with the next cool texture, like OS X's pinstripes, glossy plastic, milky white, and brushed metal over the years.

    I don't agree. In moderation these things are fine. They should be subtle though.

    While some people bemoan this in a computing environment, they still buy much of their other stuff in traditional materials and designs. The Tudor house (which is what I have) is still one of the more popular styles, and we rarely see Bauhaus homes, usually only pretty expensive ones where the owner is making a statement. And leather seats are still the preferred covering in furniture and cars.

    I think there's a bit of hypocrisy working here. I don't see my computers as being anthing different from anything else I own.
  • Reply 45 of 198
    cpsrocpsro Posts: 2,516member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by melgross View Post



    The Tudor house (which is what I have) is still one of the more popular styles.


    The Threedoor house, which is what I have, is also quite popular.

  • Reply 46 of 198
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

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    Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post


    The only one that really bothers me is Contacts as I feel that the book metaphor (especially in OS-X), really gets in the way and actually detracts from the application.  



    They need to make up their mind what it is to be called, especially since it syncs with the other "Contacts". Might as well name it Contacts instead of Address Book.


     


    Edit: I see they already did that in ML I'm on Lion still at the office. Is it just as ugly in ML?

  • Reply 47 of 198
    pokepoke Posts: 506member


    I just want to hear Ive say that Windows Phone is absolutely the worst UI he has ever seen. That would be reassuring.

  • Reply 48 of 198
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,745member


    I've always liked a bit of texture. 

  • Reply 49 of 198
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 31,957member
    cpsro wrote: »
    The Threedoor house, which is what I have, is also quite popular.

    I'm not sure what style that is. I tried looking it up but didn't find anything definite. Do you have an example?
  • Reply 50 of 198
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,745member

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    Originally Posted by 1983 View Post


    Good, the sooner the better. iOS is looking dated, especially next to Microsoft's metro/tile interface. 



     


    It's best to let go of the whole MS tile interface idea. Metro is junk. It really does look like the interface was inspired by MS' worry about violating existing patents. Their entire mobile platform is in the toilet. 


     


    iOS rates highest in customer satisfaction. All the devices it runs on have ruled customer satisfaction since their inception. ALL OF THEM. Not some, but ALL. 


     


    iOS is the most viable mobile OS out there. It provides the best user experience. That's not opinion. It's fact. 

  • Reply 51 of 198
    malaxmalax Posts: 1,598member


    I think people too often lump a bunch of extra nonsense into the (overused) concept of skeuomorphism.  For example, people if you compromise the functionality of an app by slavishly mimicing it's real life counterpart (an extreme example would be if the Phone app implemented a rotory dial), then that's (bad) skeuomorphism.  Adding some innocuous non-functional design elements (e.g., the much-discussed stitched leather) is not.  The app was going to have a background color/border, so adding stitching is a harmless, whimsical touch that makes Apple Apple.  Like any design choice, some people will like them, others won't.  But that's not skeuomorphism; it's just design.


     


    For example, the login screen for the Mac OS is beautiful in my opinion.  There's an understated cloth texture with subtle lighting.  By contrast, for years the Windows alternative was a blocky/bit-mappy Windows logo.  I'm pretty sure Ives would say the Apple way is better and would not invoke the term skeuomorphism as an argument to replace the opening background with some boring shade.

  • Reply 52 of 198
    mj1970mj1970 Posts: 9,002member

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    Originally Posted by netrox View Post


    Yes! I am glad to see them go away. 


     


    Some skeuomorphic designs make perfect sense but it's getting a bit carried away. 



     


    This.

  • Reply 53 of 198
    mj1970mj1970 Posts: 9,002member

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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    "Flat" doesn't sound promising.



     


    Why?

  • Reply 54 of 198
    malaxmalax Posts: 1,598member

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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post





    I'm not sure what style that is. I tried looking it up but didn't find anything definite. Do you have an example?


    three-door compared to two-door/tudor.  har har.

  • Reply 55 of 198
    drblankdrblank Posts: 3,383member


    When I pressed the Software Update button on my iphone 4 (iOS 6 to iOS 6.0.1 update) the gears in the Software Update windows started turning as the Software Update started downloading.  Some more animated icons would be cool. That's eye candy I can deal with.  Subtle, yet informative.  Gears moving, software's updating.  

  • Reply 56 of 198
    I like the fabric background on the login screen. I think Ive knows that metal and fabric can be bonded together, Fashion does it all the time with shoes and bags, albeit the metal elements are often precious metals and complement the design as it's primarily a fabric based industry/market, so, the other way around then for Ive as Fabric can be used to complement the design nicely.

    I am a proponent of skeuomorphic-ism and have advocated a vector based OS UI (which would be achieved easier if everything were 'flattened') and then it would be easier to allow users to have what they felt comfortable with.

    I'd like to see the option to slide a theme over the UI as one would pass a sheet of silk over an object with many corners and edges to coat it as it were, this would be the best of both worlds - customisation, but at no great cost as everything would be vector and therefore mathematical.
  • Reply 57 of 198
    mj1970mj1970 Posts: 9,002member

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    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post



    I believe dropping ALL the skeuomorphic designs would be a mistake.


     


    Agreed.


     


     


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    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post



    While it can certainly be overdone, I don't think that the current iOS or Mac OS X is anywhere near overdoing it.


     


    Disagreed.


     


     


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    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post



    People complain about the fake leather in the calendar. Just what harm does it do? Absolutely none.


     


    Untrue. By going down this route, it mentally (and design-wise) starts to constrain the UI from possible breakthrough innovations.

  • Reply 58 of 198


    Hate, hate, hate skeuomorphism. Especially that dreadful GameCentre. It is naff.

  • Reply 59 of 198
    mj1970mj1970 Posts: 9,002member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Steven N. View Post



    Weight.

    Size.

    Highly valuable functions.

    Next.


     


    Plus...I'm curious how many customers actually upgrade memory after purchase. I'd guess it is single digit %.

  • Reply 60 of 198
    I loathe GameCenter and Find My Friends.

    Some skeumorphism is OK, but those interfaces are so out of band that it is annoying.

    Skeumorphism needs to make sense. It shouldn't be there just because.

    Why the hell does Find my Friends need to be bound in leather? Are your friends located in the Necronomicon? GPS and location tracking are a *new* thing, there is no need to hide the modern aspect of the functionality.

    Game center at least relates to gaming in some fashion (although I contend that perhaps a board game look would fit better than a casino look).

    And of course Ive won't be personally designing UI. However he does set design guidelines and expectations, and he will have Veto capability.
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