sorry bud, we know what he "publicly said". Which has no bearing on the reality of the situation.
Originally Posted by twistedarts
1.) public comments are just that, so much smoke.
So Apple is lying when they say they sold three million iPads in three days. And when they say they settled the patent dispute with HTC. And when they say Steve Jobs resigns as CEO. And when they say they announced the iPhone 5. And when they say they announced the iPad mini.
I'm literally just pulling titles from their PR page. These have no bearing on reality and are smoke, according to you.
So Apple is lying when they say they sold three million iPads in three days. And when they say they settled the patent dispute with HTC. And when they say Steve Jobs resigns as CEO. And when they say they announced the iPhone 5. And when they say they announced the iPad mini.
I'm literally just pulling titles from their PR page. These have no bearing on reality and are smoke, according to you.
We're weeks out. You cannot possibly say this.
It's only lies when they're convenient. What's funny is that people say SJ lied to misdirect the competition yet he was asked about the 7" tablet because that's exactly what the competition was already doing.
It's only lies when they're convenient. What's funny is that people say SJ lied to misdirect the competition yet he was asked about the 7" tablet because that's exactly what the competition was already doing.
No, he told the truth about 7" tablets, but did not reveal ("covered up" would probably be more your phrase) that they were more impressed with an 8" iPad. He was steering buyers and jounalists away from 7-inchers, and the competition away from the 8-inch truth.
Unnecessary idea. iTunes already has individual shows. Sure the timing, pricing etc needs work but the beginnings are there.
As for Channels, if they were to open up the Apple TV to user selected apps within select categories then ABC etc could release an app and set up their own service akin to Netflix/Hulu right out of the existing App Store. No need for a new division
Unnecessary idea. iTunes already has individual shows. Sure the timing, pricing etc needs work but the beginnings are there.
As for Channels, if they were to open up the Apple TV to user selected apps within select categories then ABC etc could release an app and set up their own service akin to Netflix/Hulu right out of the existing App Store. No need for a new division
You gotta remember Hulu is already a NBC/FOX/ABC app.
No, he told the truth about 7" tablets, but did not reveal ("covered up" would probably be more your phrase) that they were more impressed with an 8" iPad. He was steering buyers and jounalists away from 7-inchers, and the competition away from the 8-inch truth.
No lying was involved.
Belief or disbelief not an option. I stated the facts of the situation: what was going on, what happened, what he said. If you find the facts unacceptable, then present your alternate-universe view.
So Apple is lying when they say they sold three million iPads in three days. And when they say they settled the patent dispute with HTC. And when they say Steve Jobs resigns as CEO. And when they say they announced the iPhone 5. And when they say they announced the iPad mini.
I'm literally just pulling titles from their PR page. These have no bearing on reality and are smoke, according to you.
uh I think you missed the point of what I was referring to. basically that he said they would not do the small tablet all the while perfecting their version of it.
Unnecessary idea. iTunes already has individual shows. Sure the timing, pricing etc needs work but the beginnings are there.
As for Channels, if they were to open up the Apple TV to user selected apps within select categories then ABC etc could release an app and set up their own service akin to Netflix/Hulu right out of the existing App Store. No need for a new division
All the iTunes shows are purchase only though.
I would be against channels, virtual or nonlinear because that still ties shows together in bundles.
It's been 2 years since Jobs made that comment. Which of those 7" tablets are selling in decent amounts? HP Slate? Nope. RiM PlayBook? Nope.
Maybe Fire, but Amazon isn't saying how many they sell, so it's hard to say. It's possible that mini sold more in a weekend than several competitors combined in the last year.
I'd go along with you on the new definition of tablet, but I'd say that the new mini palm device is the real Pad, and the old 10-incher is the Tablet.
Anyway, holding the computer in one hand—one you can read on— is a fundamentally new experience, and should be recognized as a separate device category. If the medium is the message, the package is the experience.
Belief or disbelief not an option. I stated the facts of the situation: what was going on, what happened, what he said. If you find the facts unacceptable, then present your alternate-universe view.
I believe SJ felt a certain way while others at Apple felt differently, Eddy Cue's email is proof of that. Plans for the iPad mini were probably set in motion after SJ's departure.
Maybe Fire, but Amazon isn't saying how many they sell, so it's hard to say. It's possible that mini sold more in a weekend than several competitors combined in the last year.
The Fire didn't exist when Steve Jobs made the qualified comment referred to current 7" tablets being DOA. I felt it was a clear sign that Apple was looking into smaller tablets when he restricted his comment about 7" tablets to refer to the current ones.
uh I think you missed the point of what I was referring to. basically that he said they would not do the small tablet all the while perfecting their version of it.
Of course he missed the point that it's only a lie when it's convenient for you. One lie begets another and another, when do we know when it's a lie and when it isn't?
I believe SJ felt a certain way while others at Apple felt differently, Eddy Cue's email is proof of that. Plans for the iPad mini were probably set in motion after SJ's departure.
Looking over the timing of Jobs's comments and Cue's email, it looks like you could be right. I've compressed the events in my memory, thinking they'd need much more than a year to get a new design like the mini out.
It seems they did it in about a year and a half, if they didn't start on it until after Cue's Jan. 2011 email.
Looking at the iPad Mini issue, it is sufficiently close to 8 " to make it [I]not[/I] a 7 " device. As JeffDM remarked above, it rather fits into a "Goldilocks zone" - which could be said to be defining [I]new[/I] category within tablets.
Also, there doesn't seem to be any recorded comment of SJ's regarding 8 " tablets - and I don't think that's splitting hairs.
On the other hand it's possible that the uses - new or existing - to which the iPad Mini is put, could define whether it is in another category than just '8 " tablet' (but that's pure speculation on my part).
Unnecessary idea. iTunes already has individual shows. Sure the timing, pricing etc needs work but the beginnings are there.
Yes, but they don't have simultaneous-with-broadcast download, day-of shows. The show should actually start to download a few minutes before it's available to be played, that way you can automatically play it (on your Apple TV or wherever!) exactly when it's on TV.
That, I think, is a feature worthy of the Apple name.
Originally Posted by twistedarts
uh I think you missed the point of what I was referring to. basically that he said they would not do the small tablet all the while perfecting their version of it.
Then why did you say the point was that nothing Apple says publicly can be trusted?
Yes, but they don't have simultaneous-with-broadcast download, day-of shows. The show should actually start to download a few minutes before it's available to be played, that way you can automatically play it (on your Apple TV or wherever!) exactly when it's on TV.
That, I think, is a feature worthy of the Apple name.
Then why did you say the point was that nothing Apple says publicly can be trusted?
Why not just watch it when it's being broadcast on TV? The closest thing to your suggestion is on HBO GO, shows are available for viewing after its broadcast, which has me curious. Can someone in California (west coast) watch Boardwalk Empire on HBO GO once it's broadcast in New York (east coast) 2 hours before it's broadcast in their time zone?
Why not just watch it when it's being broadcast on TV?
The idea is to not pay however much per month for hundreds of channels you couldn't care less about and instead have only exactly the shows you want, no watermarks, no ads, and actual ownership thereof, available at any time, viewable anywhere, and freely redownloadable.
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Originally Posted by twistedarts
sorry bud, we know what he "publicly said". Which has no bearing on the reality of the situation.
Originally Posted by twistedarts
1.) public comments are just that, so much smoke.
So Apple is lying when they say they sold three million iPads in three days. And when they say they settled the patent dispute with HTC. And when they say Steve Jobs resigns as CEO. And when they say they announced the iPhone 5. And when they say they announced the iPad mini.
I'm literally just pulling titles from their PR page. These have no bearing on reality and are smoke, according to you.
Originally Posted by nht
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We're weeks out. You cannot possibly say this.
It's only lies when they're convenient. What's funny is that people say SJ lied to misdirect the competition yet he was asked about the 7" tablet because that's exactly what the competition was already doing.
No, he told the truth about 7" tablets, but did not reveal ("covered up" would probably be more your phrase) that they were more impressed with an 8" iPad. He was steering buyers and jounalists away from 7-inchers, and the competition away from the 8-inch truth.
No lying was involved.
It's been 2 years since Jobs made that comment. Which of those 7" tablets are selling in decent amounts? HP Slate? Nope. RiM PlayBook? Nope.
As for Channels, if they were to open up the Apple TV to user selected apps within select categories then ABC etc could release an app and set up their own service akin to Netflix/Hulu right out of the existing App Store. No need for a new division
Oh those 2, then yes DOA lol
You gotta remember Hulu is already a NBC/FOX/ABC app.
I don't believe that for a second.
Belief or disbelief not an option. I stated the facts of the situation: what was going on, what happened, what he said. If you find the facts unacceptable, then present your alternate-universe view.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
So Apple is lying when they say they sold three million iPads in three days. And when they say they settled the patent dispute with HTC. And when they say Steve Jobs resigns as CEO. And when they say they announced the iPhone 5. And when they say they announced the iPad mini.
I'm literally just pulling titles from their PR page. These have no bearing on reality and are smoke, according to you.
uh I think you missed the point of what I was referring to. basically that he said they would not do the small tablet all the while perfecting their version of it.
All the iTunes shows are purchase only though.
I would be against channels, virtual or nonlinear because that still ties shows together in bundles.
Maybe Fire, but Amazon isn't saying how many they sell, so it's hard to say. It's possible that mini sold more in a weekend than several competitors combined in the last year.
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Originally Posted by Flaneur
I'd go along with you on the new definition of tablet, but I'd say that the new mini palm device is the real Pad, and the old 10-incher is the Tablet.
Anyway, holding the computer in one hand—one you can read on— is a fundamentally new experience, and should be recognized as a separate device category. If the medium is the message, the package is the experience.
Brilliant. agreed.
I believe SJ felt a certain way while others at Apple felt differently, Eddy Cue's email is proof of that. Plans for the iPad mini were probably set in motion after SJ's departure.
The Fire didn't exist when Steve Jobs made the qualified comment referred to current 7" tablets being DOA. I felt it was a clear sign that Apple was looking into smaller tablets when he restricted his comment about 7" tablets to refer to the current ones.
Of course he missed the point that it's only a lie when it's convenient for you. One lie begets another and another, when do we know when it's a lie and when it isn't?
Looking over the timing of Jobs's comments and Cue's email, it looks like you could be right. I've compressed the events in my memory, thinking they'd need much more than a year to get a new design like the mini out.
It seems they did it in about a year and a half, if they didn't start on it until after Cue's Jan. 2011 email.
Also, there doesn't seem to be any recorded comment of SJ's regarding 8 " tablets - and I don't think that's splitting hairs.
On the other hand it's possible that the uses - new or existing - to which the iPad Mini is put, could define whether it is in another category than just '8 " tablet' (but that's pure speculation on my part).
Originally Posted by charlituna
Unnecessary idea. iTunes already has individual shows. Sure the timing, pricing etc needs work but the beginnings are there.
Yes, but they don't have simultaneous-with-broadcast download, day-of shows. The show should actually start to download a few minutes before it's available to be played, that way you can automatically play it (on your Apple TV or wherever!) exactly when it's on TV.
That, I think, is a feature worthy of the Apple name.
Originally Posted by twistedarts
uh I think you missed the point of what I was referring to. basically that he said they would not do the small tablet all the while perfecting their version of it.
Then why did you say the point was that nothing Apple says publicly can be trusted?
Why not just watch it when it's being broadcast on TV? The closest thing to your suggestion is on HBO GO, shows are available for viewing after its broadcast, which has me curious. Can someone in California (west coast) watch Boardwalk Empire on HBO GO once it's broadcast in New York (east coast) 2 hours before it's broadcast in their time zone?
Originally Posted by dasanman69
Why not just watch it when it's being broadcast on TV?
The idea is to not pay however much per month for hundreds of channels you couldn't care less about and instead have only exactly the shows you want, no watermarks, no ads, and actual ownership thereof, available at any time, viewable anywhere, and freely redownloadable.