All three models are updated every year. The free model gets better, the $99 model gets better, and the $199 model gets better.
Your point being what? You obviously know that Apple is doing this wrong, because they're getting 75% of all the profits in the ENTIRE PHONE INDUSTRY. Yeah, you know exactly what they're doing wrong. My STARS, man! You're whining about problems with Apple when its the European telecoms that are the problem!
It is, to a certain extent the "fault" of European telecoms - in that they don't subsidise the iPhone as much in Europe. Apple will be able to bypass said telecoms with PAYG sim free unlocked iPhones with the iPod form factor. I see this as inevitable, however it may harm margins, so they probably need something else to sell to make the margins back - I say a big old LCD Television with 50% margins, or $1000 per device. Then they can take a hit on overall iPhone margins.
Why don't you people just come out and say what you really think: you want Apple to sell cheap-ass Android phones pre-rooted and preloaded with spyware with 19" OLED screens that you can't fit in your pocket or see in modest sunlight?
It is, to a certain extent the "fault" of European telecoms - in that they don't subsidise the iPhone as much in Europe. Apple will be able to bypass said telecoms with PAYG sim free unlocked iPhones with the iPod form factor.
Why do they need a brand new product line. Why. I need a reason. There's nothing that can be done with one that can't with the existing models.
I see this as inevitable…
Just like in aught eight when the iPhone nano was "inevitable". Right.
…however it may harm margins, so they probably need something else to sell to make the margins back - I say a big old LCD Television with 50% margins, or $1000 per device. Then they can take a hit on overall iPhone margins.
And I wonder why, since that's the only big reason that makes people buy highend Android phones instead of the iPhone (they lose on everything else). Android itself offers nothing to the vast majority of users.
Then they must be going nuts for the iPad mini since anyone wanting a giant "phone" doesn't want a phone at all, they want a cellular data enabled tablet that's portable: AKA: iPad Mini!
Why do they need a brand new product line. Why. I need a reason. There's nothing that can be done with one that can't with the existing models.
Just like in aught eight when the iPhone nano was "inevitable". Right.
Completely nonsensical.
I never thought the nano was inevitable - I think you are harping on the nano as it is the only thing you got right in the last five years. As for the "nonsensical" part - thats the method to keep up overall margins - you protect overall margins by replacing the existing high end product with another over time. IPod to iPhone. iPhone to Apple TV.
You have a strange conservatism for a follower of a most innovative consumer electronic company, you were "right" about the nano only because your default position on any rumoured product is that will never happen, the most obvious being the mini. You didn't think the mini was happening when pictures of the parts were three a penny on the internet. And as for the TV, I mean Jobs said there will be a TV, and even then, you remain unconvinced. But let me say it here. There will be a TV.
You can believe that going forward Apple will only have one expensive phone replenished once a year, and no new product ever. Nothing else to see here. Put a fork in R+D. Tis done. From now incremental upgrades, and market share be damned.
I don't believe that and I say the will produce other iOS categories; and a separate model to the iPhone - one which is not last years model - is hardly the most radical suggestion ever.
Apple isn't willing to walk the extra step to work with carriers…
BZZT. Nope. You don't have subsidized phones because… that's the carriers' choice. It's ALL on them. The phones are unlocked because your laws require it. There's nothing preventing carriers from subsidizing.
You don't know what you're talking about. For starters, our laws do not require phones to be unlocked until we've fully paid for them, and secondly carriers not caring is an Apple issue, not a carrier issue; carriers have clients regardless of whether they subsidize the iPhone or not.
[" url="/t/154636/iphone-5-doubles-apples-share-of-us-smartphone-sales-to-surpass-android#post_2237447"]Screw Europe.
Apple can not do anything about the miserable economic situation in Europe. If and when it improves, then more people there will have more money to buy iPhones with. Until then, they are free to use bottom of the barrel Android junk. Apple should never sacrifice quality for quantity, and they should not release some crappy, cheaper model, just to make a few more sales.
I was taking the subway yesterday, and I was playing my usual, guess what smartphone people own game, which I happen to be real good at by the way. I saw this one real ghetto looking, trashy woman with a fat ass and a big mouth, and I just knew that she would be pulling out an Android phone, and sure enough, I was 100% correct. I saw this other woman, a decent looking Asian woman, and not only did I guess her phone before she pulled it out, I also guessed the color correctly, she pulled out a white iPhone 4S.
Why so much hate against anything that is not like you?
I've had a iPhone 3, 3GS & 4. Seriously getting tired of Apples miniscule upgrades and lack of customization in iOS. Seriously considering jumping to an android phone next go around as I will NOT be buying an iPhone 5 which should have been called a 4.1...
Three models, all updated every year, not last years stuff. If Apple ran their mac line like that there would be one model, a Mac Pro - no mini, or mac book - and you can have this year's model, or last years, or the model of the year before, and that would be it.
At some point saturation might make that the best move for the company but I don't think they do that to succeed.
I've had a iPhone 3, 3GS & 4. Seriously getting tired of Apples miniscule upgrades and lack of cusomization in iOS. Seriously considering jumping to an android phone next go around as I will NOT be buying an iPhone 5 which should have been called a 4.1...
4.1? So it's not just the 6th gen iPhone replacing the iPhone 4S but a downgrade from the 4S to be slightly above the iPhone 4. Makes perfect sense¡
Let's also note that the iPhone 5 is the most significant YoY change the product line has ever seen and yet you have deemed it just slightly above the iPhone 4. Again, makes perfect sense¡
4.1? So it's not just the 6th gen iPhone replacing the iPhone 4S but a downgrade from the 4S to be slightly above the iPhone 4. Makes perfect sense¡
Let's also note that the iPhone 5 is the most significant YoY change the product line has ever seen and yet you have deemed it just slightly above the iPhone 4. Again, makes perfect sense¡
Ok, should have been 4.2. Other phones in the iPhone 4 gen had LTE and apples refusal to let us customize the lock screen is well stupid.
if Apple release an 5inch iPhone X, with those sharp 1080p displays at 440ppi, they would have twice the demand they are facing now.
the other thing that is al certain,
Apple cannot keep with the current demand. Imagine how many sales they lose because of it...
So it's certain that Apple would have twice the demand if they doubled the screen size? Your evidence is......????
For me, I will be buying the iPhone 5, but would not buy one with a 5" screen - it's too big. So it's not a foregone conclusion that a larger phone would sell better (Verizon ads notwithstanding). So why are you so certain that there would be twice the demand? Evidence, not your unfounded, biased opinion, please.
And I wonder why, since that's the only big reason that makes people buy highend Android phones instead of the iPhone (they lose on everything else). Android itself offers nothing to the vast majority of users.
There are plenty of reasons why people buy Android phones besides the screen size:
1. Price. Some Android phones are extremely cheap and low quality (bordering on feature phone status). Only a tiny percentage of Android phones are in the same price range as the iPhone.
2. Spiffs. Many carriers offer spiffs (incentives) to associates selling Android phones. Because of this, the sales people often drive customers to Android, even telling lies to do so.
3. Availability. Some people need a phone at a time when the iPhone is in short supply so they buy an Android phone so they have something.
4. ABA. Anything but Apple. There are a significant number of people who simply refuse to buy Apple products because of some irrational hatred. Many of them are influential and convince their friends not to buy Apple products, as well.
5. FUD. There is an enormous amount of FUD out there about Apple. Every little glitch creates a $hitstorm of criticism. For example, the Maps issue. In spite of the fact that most reviews which actually attempted broad-based comparisons found that Apple Maps was about as good as Google Maps, the media made it look like Apple Maps would get you lost.
There are others, but that's enough to disprove your point. You can't simply pretend that people only buy Android phones because their screens are larger. If that were the case, why are so many Android phones with small screens still being sold?
Nor did I imply that. Apologies if you thought I was. I was saying that your insistence in this matter, as it pertains to the same subject, is akin to the thinking back then.
…I think you are harping on the nano as it is the only thing you got right in the last five years.
When depressed, the little moments where you laugh are the best, however brief. I laugh because its wrong.
As for the "nonsensical" part - thats the method to keep up overall margins…
A, not the. And I fail to see how, given that the target for both devices has almost zero in common.
You have a strange conservatism for a follower of a most innovative consumer electronic company…
Because it PAYS to be pessimistic. You start getting optimistic and fantastical, not only do people laugh in your face at how stupid your ideas are, you get others who don't talk all hopped up on the idea that it might be possible. Then it comes out and is nothing like what they heard and they're all mad and entitled.
…you were "right" about the nano only because your default position on any rumored product is that will never happen…
More lies. I was right because I knew people wouldn't want a screen that small on a touchscreen phone. I really want to try out the new iPod nano, since that's the size of screen people wanted for an iPhone. Can you even IMAGINE? My default position is conservatism, not that "any" product won't happen.
I have ludicrously "outlandish" ideas. I think different. I ignore the mold. And I get laughed at for it because people refuse to see more than five years out. My ideas are a vision for a better future, not a near-future. Not a present. I don't present them due to off-hand dismissal.
You didn't think the mini was happening when pictures of the parts were three a penny on the internet.
Man, you're not paying attention to me at all, are you? I specifically stated I believed it after having seen one.
…I mean Jobs said there will be a TV…
1) He said absolutely nothing of the sort.
2) He's dead. What he thought was meaningless. Hence the iPad mini.
But let me say it here. There will be a TV.
You and Ireland, man. Who in their right mind would buy a $2,500 40" TV that does the same thing as a $999 60" TV and $99 Apple TV… but WORSE?
…and no new product ever.
Ah. Yes. I believe that. ????
I don't believe that and I say the will produce other iOS categories…
Stay tuned. What iOS turns into will be beautiful.
…and a separate model to the iPhone - one which is not last years model - is hardly the most radical suggestion ever.
But so far it has been the most wrong. And if it happens, having said it right now will NOT have made you "right".
So it's certain that Apple would have twice the demand if they doubled the screen size? Your evidence is......????
For me, I will be buying the iPhone 5, but would not buy one with a 5" screen - it's too big. So it's not a foregone conclusion that a larger phone would sell better (Verizon ads notwithstanding). So why are you so certain that there would be twice the demand? Evidence, not your unfounded, biased opinion, please.
There are plenty of reasons why people buy Android phones besides the screen size:
1. Price. Some Android phones are extremely cheap and low quality (bordering on feature phone status). Only a tiny percentage of Android phones are in the same price range as the iPhone.
2. Spiffs. Many carriers offer spiffs (incentives) to associates selling Android phones. Because of this, the sales people often drive customers to Android, even telling lies to do so.
3. Availability. Some people need a phone at a time when the iPhone is in short supply so they buy an Android phone so they have something.
4. ABA. Anything but Apple. There are a significant number of people who simply refuse to buy Apple products because of some irrational hatred. Many of them are influential and convince their friends not to buy Apple products, as well.
5. FUD. There is an enormous amount of FUD out there about Apple. Every little glitch creates a $hitstorm of criticism. For example, the Maps issue. In spite of the fact that most reviews which actually attempted broad-based comparisons found that Apple Maps was about as good as Google Maps, the media made it look like Apple Maps would get you lost.
There are others, but that's enough to disprove your point. You can't simply pretend that people only buy Android phones because their screens are larger. If that were the case, why are so many Android phones with small screens still being sold?
I agree mostly. But there is a clear segment of the ABA crowd preferring the phablet over the slightly smaller Android phones. Those people are deliberately choosing the Galaxy Note over the Galaxy S3. And they are not all geezers. I am not saying Apple should make a bigger phone to go after that market. But that market clearly exists.
Let's also note that the iPhone 5 is the most significant YoY change the product line has ever seen ...
Is it?
The major changes are:
- LTE
- thinness
- weight loss
- larger screen
Personally, after using it for almost 2 months now, I barely notice it to be much different than the iPhone 4 (i.e. I have gotten used to the improvements). To be fair, I no longer feel the wow of the thinness because I purchased a case after 3 weeks. But I remember the first upgrade to Retina Display having a longer lasting impression.
All good points. But, to me, the sum total does not enhance my user experience as much as what Retina Display did. Furthermore, RD also catalyzed changes in (i) design of other phones (> 300 ppi is now the default), (ii) design of computer screens (RP ported over to tablets and now laptops), (iii) design of websites and apps.
To me (and I emphasize this is my opinion), Retina Display was the first step in a minor revolution across the computing industry whereas iPhone 5 improvements are all Apple-centric evolutions.
Having said this, iPhone 5 remains my favorite phone ever.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
All three models are updated every year. The free model gets better, the $99 model gets better, and the $199 model gets better.
Your point being what? You obviously know that Apple is doing this wrong, because they're getting 75% of all the profits in the ENTIRE PHONE INDUSTRY. Yeah, you know exactly what they're doing wrong. My STARS, man! You're whining about problems with Apple when its the European telecoms that are the problem!
It is, to a certain extent the "fault" of European telecoms - in that they don't subsidise the iPhone as much in Europe. Apple will be able to bypass said telecoms with PAYG sim free unlocked iPhones with the iPod form factor. I see this as inevitable, however it may harm margins, so they probably need something else to sell to make the margins back - I say a big old LCD Television with 50% margins, or $1000 per device. Then they can take a hit on overall iPhone margins.
Originally Posted by asdasd
It is, to a certain extent the "fault" of European telecoms - in that they don't subsidise the iPhone as much in Europe. Apple will be able to bypass said telecoms with PAYG sim free unlocked iPhones with the iPod form factor.
Why do they need a brand new product line. Why. I need a reason. There's nothing that can be done with one that can't with the existing models.
I see this as inevitable…
Just like in aught eight when the iPhone nano was "inevitable". Right.
…however it may harm margins, so they probably need something else to sell to make the margins back - I say a big old LCD Television with 50% margins, or $1000 per device. Then they can take a hit on overall iPhone margins.
Completely nonsensical.
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
And I wonder why, since that's the only big reason that makes people buy highend Android phones instead of the iPhone (they lose on everything else). Android itself offers nothing to the vast majority of users.
Then they must be going nuts for the iPad mini since anyone wanting a giant "phone" doesn't want a phone at all, they want a cellular data enabled tablet that's portable: AKA: iPad Mini!
Plus, no expensive voice contract!.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Why do they need a brand new product line. Why. I need a reason. There's nothing that can be done with one that can't with the existing models.
Just like in aught eight when the iPhone nano was "inevitable". Right.
Completely nonsensical.
I never thought the nano was inevitable - I think you are harping on the nano as it is the only thing you got right in the last five years. As for the "nonsensical" part - thats the method to keep up overall margins - you protect overall margins by replacing the existing high end product with another over time. IPod to iPhone. iPhone to Apple TV.
You have a strange conservatism for a follower of a most innovative consumer electronic company, you were "right" about the nano only because your default position on any rumoured product is that will never happen, the most obvious being the mini. You didn't think the mini was happening when pictures of the parts were three a penny on the internet. And as for the TV, I mean Jobs said there will be a TV, and even then, you remain unconvinced. But let me say it here. There will be a TV.
You can believe that going forward Apple will only have one expensive phone replenished once a year, and no new product ever. Nothing else to see here. Put a fork in R+D. Tis done. From now incremental upgrades, and market share be damned.
I don't believe that and I say the will produce other iOS categories; and a separate model to the iPhone - one which is not last years model - is hardly the most radical suggestion ever.
You don't know what you're talking about. For starters, our laws do not require phones to be unlocked until we've fully paid for them, and secondly carriers not caring is an Apple issue, not a carrier issue; carriers have clients regardless of whether they subsidize the iPhone or not.
Why so much hate against anything that is not like you?
At some point saturation might make that the best move for the company but I don't think they do that to succeed.
4.1? So it's not just the 6th gen iPhone replacing the iPhone 4S but a downgrade from the 4S to be slightly above the iPhone 4. Makes perfect sense¡
Let's also note that the iPhone 5 is the most significant YoY change the product line has ever seen and yet you have deemed it just slightly above the iPhone 4. Again, makes perfect sense¡
Ok, should have been 4.2. Other phones in the iPhone 4 gen had LTE and apples refusal to let us customize the lock screen is well stupid.
So it's certain that Apple would have twice the demand if they doubled the screen size? Your evidence is......????
For me, I will be buying the iPhone 5, but would not buy one with a 5" screen - it's too big. So it's not a foregone conclusion that a larger phone would sell better (Verizon ads notwithstanding). So why are you so certain that there would be twice the demand? Evidence, not your unfounded, biased opinion, please.
There are plenty of reasons why people buy Android phones besides the screen size:
1. Price. Some Android phones are extremely cheap and low quality (bordering on feature phone status). Only a tiny percentage of Android phones are in the same price range as the iPhone.
2. Spiffs. Many carriers offer spiffs (incentives) to associates selling Android phones. Because of this, the sales people often drive customers to Android, even telling lies to do so.
3. Availability. Some people need a phone at a time when the iPhone is in short supply so they buy an Android phone so they have something.
4. ABA. Anything but Apple. There are a significant number of people who simply refuse to buy Apple products because of some irrational hatred. Many of them are influential and convince their friends not to buy Apple products, as well.
5. FUD. There is an enormous amount of FUD out there about Apple. Every little glitch creates a $hitstorm of criticism. For example, the Maps issue. In spite of the fact that most reviews which actually attempted broad-based comparisons found that Apple Maps was about as good as Google Maps, the media made it look like Apple Maps would get you lost.
There are others, but that's enough to disprove your point. You can't simply pretend that people only buy Android phones because their screens are larger. If that were the case, why are so many Android phones with small screens still being sold?
Originally Posted by asdasd
I never thought the nano was inevitable…
Nor did I imply that. Apologies if you thought I was. I was saying that your insistence in this matter, as it pertains to the same subject, is akin to the thinking back then.
…I think you are harping on the nano as it is the only thing you got right in the last five years.
When depressed, the little moments where you laugh are the best, however brief. I laugh because its wrong.
As for the "nonsensical" part - thats the method to keep up overall margins…
A, not the. And I fail to see how, given that the target for both devices has almost zero in common.
You have a strange conservatism for a follower of a most innovative consumer electronic company…
Because it PAYS to be pessimistic. You start getting optimistic and fantastical, not only do people laugh in your face at how stupid your ideas are, you get others who don't talk all hopped up on the idea that it might be possible. Then it comes out and is nothing like what they heard and they're all mad and entitled.
…you were "right" about the nano only because your default position on any rumored product is that will never happen…
More lies. I was right because I knew people wouldn't want a screen that small on a touchscreen phone. I really want to try out the new iPod nano, since that's the size of screen people wanted for an iPhone. Can you even IMAGINE? My default position is conservatism, not that "any" product won't happen.
I have ludicrously "outlandish" ideas. I think different. I ignore the mold. And I get laughed at for it because people refuse to see more than five years out. My ideas are a vision for a better future, not a near-future. Not a present. I don't present them due to off-hand dismissal.
You didn't think the mini was happening when pictures of the parts were three a penny on the internet.
Man, you're not paying attention to me at all, are you? I specifically stated I believed it after having seen one.
…I mean Jobs said there will be a TV…
1) He said absolutely nothing of the sort.
2) He's dead. What he thought was meaningless. Hence the iPad mini.
But let me say it here. There will be a TV.
You and Ireland, man. Who in their right mind would buy a $2,500 40" TV that does the same thing as a $999 60" TV and $99 Apple TV… but WORSE?
…and no new product ever.
Ah. Yes. I believe that. ????
I don't believe that and I say the will produce other iOS categories…
Stay tuned. What iOS turns into will be beautiful.
…and a separate model to the iPhone - one which is not last years model - is hardly the most radical suggestion ever.
But so far it has been the most wrong. And if it happens, having said it right now will NOT have made you "right".
No, the 4th gen iPhone didn't have LTE.
IMO, it's stupid to be upset about the lock screen.
I agree mostly. But there is a clear segment of the ABA crowd preferring the phablet over the slightly smaller Android phones. Those people are deliberately choosing the Galaxy Note over the Galaxy S3. And they are not all geezers. I am not saying Apple should make a bigger phone to go after that market. But that market clearly exists.
Is it?
The major changes are:
- LTE
- thinness
- weight loss
- larger screen
Personally, after using it for almost 2 months now, I barely notice it to be much different than the iPhone 4 (i.e. I have gotten used to the improvements). To be fair, I no longer feel the wow of the thinness because I purchased a case after 3 weeks. But I remember the first upgrade to Retina Display having a longer lasting impression.
Originally Posted by ankleskater
The major changes are:
- LTE
- thinness
- weight loss
- larger screen
Case redesign, new port, new telephony, new CPU…
All good points. But, to me, the sum total does not enhance my user experience as much as what Retina Display did. Furthermore, RD also catalyzed changes in (i) design of other phones (> 300 ppi is now the default), (ii) design of computer screens (RP ported over to tablets and now laptops), (iii) design of websites and apps.
To me (and I emphasize this is my opinion), Retina Display was the first step in a minor revolution across the computing industry whereas iPhone 5 improvements are all Apple-centric evolutions.
Having said this, iPhone 5 remains my favorite phone ever.