Also lets face it Steve Jobs would have never allowed Google maps back on the iPhone this is an admission from Apple that their maps were awful.
How do justify this statement? Google has plenty of apps in the App Store and there were 3rd-party mapping apps since the App Store was formed. So long as they follow the rules there is no reason to keep them off the store. Is there even one example where an app wasn't allowed on the store that wasn't violating a rule?
Apple's goal is to sell more devices. Better apps on the iOS than on other platforms helps achieve that goal. I see nothing that would have prevented Google Maps on iOS if Steve Jobs were alive.
The Apple maps situation was a fairly big deal in the media. Also lets face it Steve Jobs would have never allowed Google maps back on the iPhone this is an admission from Apple that their maps were awful.
Now I know this forum consists of people outside of the US but when CNN and Foxnews both give an App time on their national news I find that to be a big deal. I also find it interesting when a topic doesn't support Apple this forum expands the topic. Quadra posts are a perfect example of that expantion to try and deflect from the core topic.
Apple has looked weak lately. Having several major releases back in October (I believe it was October) and then not being able to launch the iMac for months. The Apple Store now gives a ship date of Jan for the 27" iMac. Stock could very well drop under 500.00 when a few months ago their was talk of it going to 1000.00.
As of late Apple has not had a good stretch the only positive in the last few months at least perception wise was the iPad Mini. People can disagree this is simply my opinion. I am not saying Apple is Doomed or anything of that nature, just commenting that their have been some issues of late, when you are on top as I have stated before the media loves to pull you back down. Again just my opinion.
What do you mean not being able to launch the iMacs for months? People right now are getting their iMacs delivered - both models. The only real negative has been maps and the guy most responsible for them was fired. I don't think any of Apple's Mac products drive the stock price. All Wall Street cares about is iPhone and iPad and the mythical iTV.
And I'm glad there everyone settled on a fine instead of dragging this out in court, wasting taxpayers time. The thing is that without a proper trial, all we have is allegations. Maybe in a full trial it would have been proven that the cookies were inadvertantly generated.
I'm not going to claim that Google is 100% transparent (as these incidents show). However, compared to many other companies out there, Google's is a lot more transparent. Just the fact that there's a whole Dashboard that lets me see what they've collected and lets me limit what they collect puts it ahead of a lot of others in my book.
Note that Google is inherently untrustworthy, that's because they are interested in selling your data and keeping you as long and as often as possible in 'ad land'. It's comparable to MS first loyalty to companies instead of the customers they sell the software to.
How do justify this statement? Google has plenty of apps in the App Store and there were 3rd-party mapping apps since the App Store was formed. So long as they follow the rules there is no reason to keep them off the store. Is there even one example where an app wasn't allowed on the store that wasn't violating a rule?
Apple's goal is to sell more devices. Better apps on the iOS than on other platforms helps achieve that goal. I see nothing that would have prevented Google Maps on iOS if Steve Jobs were alive.
I remember some app being rejected "pornography" when it really sold bathing suits or something. I can't remember. That's the only time I remember them apologizing for rejecting an app on bogus grounds
How do justify this statement? Google has plenty of apps in the App Store and there were 3rd-party mapping apps since the App Store was formed. So long as they follow the rules there is no reason to keep them off the store. Is there even one example where an app wasn't allowed on the store that wasn't violating a rule?
Apple's goal is to sell more devices. Better apps on the iOS than on other platforms helps achieve that goal. I see nothing that would have prevented Google Maps on iOS if Steve Jobs were alive.
What Steve Jobs wouldn't have allowed was a native maps app that had Google's branding. Makes perfect sense to me considering Google is one of Apple's biggest competitors. It blows my mind that people would expect Apple to allow this.
If that were true, then what makes you believe that other companies aren't doing the same thing with the "switch that does nothing"?
I know it's only anecdotal evidence, but so far, I haven't seen anything bad come of the data Google collects on my browsing habits. Maybe some better targeted ads based on what I've recently searched, but nothing more.
Im sure a lot of companies do lie about not tracking. My browser is set to send the do not track header but after logging into Facebook I get 8 cookies and 10 tracking cookies. Google and Facebook would be 2 of the worst as all their revenue comes from advertising. A wise man once said, when a product is free, you are the product. This is why Android has no licensing fee and the reason for its market share, not cause its good, just free
I love Apple Maps for what it does. Turn-by-turn is clear and practical and hasn't (yet) let me down in the difficult streets of Boston/ Cambridge. I prefer the layout and interface of Apple Maps to Google Maps. I like the Siri/ voice integration.
However, the public transit omission stings. Of the "third party solutions" that Apple has punted to, Google Maps is by far the best and the only way to use it is to be fully kicked out of the Apple Maps application. Street view is also missed (though not quite as much).
These last two points are the reason that I, personally, find myself using Google Maps a lot more than I'd prefer. It's easy to see how, for a lot of people, it makes more sense for them to use Google Maps as a one-stop that does everything they need wrt mapping.
I guess I'm missing something here. Everyone keeps complaining about MAPS by Apple, but I have never had any problems. I love the turn by turn feature. We put it up against our navigator in the car and it got us there, where the car navigator got lost. The place we were going to has been around for 76 years, so it's not like it was a new place, or new street to find. Apple MAPS just did it better. Had we followed the one in the car we would have had to call the place we were going to - it took us to the middle of the desert and said "You've arrived at your destination". HUH? Meanwhile, Apple MAPS kept going getting us there.
So maybe in some areas it's not good, but traveling in California, Arizona and Nevada - no problems on Apple's MAPS.
What Steve Jobs wouldn't have allowed was a native maps app that had Google's branding. Makes perfect sense to me considering Google is one of Apple's biggest competitors. It blows my mind that people would expect Apple to allow this.
What makes you believe Google could have offered one with Apple branding?
I remember some app being rejected "pornography" when it really sold bathing suits or something. I can't remember. That's the only time I remember them apologizing for rejecting an app on bogus grounds
i think that would still fall under breaking the rules for the App Store, it's just that app vetters were mistaken. It certainly wasn't spiteful.
I happen to really like Apple's Maps app. I downloaded Google Maps yesterday to try it out, but it is presently relegated to the last page of apps on my phone and I have no real intention of using it unless absolutely necessary. So far, even before yesterdays release, I have had no need to venture beyond Apple Maps.
And Samsung Galaxy series has outsold the iPhone 5. Don't put too much weight with what the customer satisfaction surveys say. If they weren't satisfied, they wouldn't continue to sell so many tens of millions.
And Time magazine named iPhone 5 the top gadget of the year. What's your point?
In any case, the cnet review wasn't ranking the phones - just suggesting gifts. The IP5 was also there, with the same ratings, and, if you narrow the category just to smartphones, appears before the SG3.
Let's face it, anyone who uses this in a post when they're not joking has completely invalidated whatever other point they had.
Let's clarify what you mean here. iPhone OS 1-iOS 5's Maps has Google branding.
Just because you say it doesn't make it true. For years to come people will be saying "if Steve Jobs was alive" and no matter how much you dislike it doesn't change perception.
Members of an enthusiast forum are not an accurate representation of the general public. For those that track Apple on a regular basis if they believe Steve Jobs would have done something differently and the outcome would have been better, perception is reality. Get a clue, people like you acted as if Steve Jobs was a God, guess what God doesn't get replaced for years, if ever.
I love google maps, however I tested yesterday to go to a meeting that I have for a job and the turn by turn was good but when I got close to the destination, google maps thought that it was in a corner the final destination when in fact was the next corner down and a right. It got me close but not exactly where I was suppose to go.
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Google maps turn by turn directions are terrible. I used them last night, and luckily I already knew where I was going, but Google maps had me doing U turns, and all kinds of crazy things.
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Agreed. Google directions in Australia are shocking. It's good to see they have finally entered some previously missing roads but it still directs you down one way roads the wrong way or to drive straight through a dead end.
How dare you suggest that Google is anything but 100% perfect or ever had issues. We all know that Google was birthed full form and issue free some 7 plus years ago and has been that way ever since. You are all liars and should be ashamed of yourselves.
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We didn't have to hear about mapgate before.
Anecdotal evidence tells me that the Apple maps issue, although annoying for some, was overblown by a press/blogosphere that leeches on Apple's blood to gain eyeballs.
Indeed. Folks forget that all mapping services have issues, particularly new ones. But some of the 'issues' aren't really at all. Things like the pin for the Washington Monument being 'at a bus stop' not at the monument is a factor of the 'legal' address being at that spot not in the middle of the park. These things are what were in the data provided, same as the whole two Mildura cities in the official gazetteer and will be tweaked and corrected as needed
That's why Google maps went to number one downloaded free app within 30 minutes of being released. Ya, the vast majority surely don't care.
Numbers? Without that then it's hard to really count 'doubled', 'number one' etc.
That list adjusts as time goes by so if every other app gets 1-10 downloads during a particular hour and Google Maps gets 11 then it is the top of the list. But it really doesn't mean much.
And ultimately what is the keep rate. A lot of folks will download any app that is free that they are curious about but that doesn't mean they will keep it on their device and use it.
So all this really tells us is that a bunch of folks were curious, not really anything beyond that.
And the original app was created by Apple, not Google. The only thing Google did was provide the background data. If you want to blame someone for the dumbed down app, blame Apple.
Not exactly. The lack of turn by turn etc was just as much because Google wouldn't provide the data as what was in the app functionality
Missteps, sure, there have been a few. The Maps apology was the biggest one in my mind... the firings "at this time" being the next... not Maps in and of itself but the introduction was far from smooth.
If you didn't realize it, AAPL is heavily manipulated... I'm guessing by the hedge funds.
... and, yes, the stock will probably drop below $500 before the end of the month, death cross and all... but January's iPad and iPhone figures will easily propel Apple to a record quarter... then AAPL will slowly rise to above $700.
Next year should be interesting for Apple. I believe it is a make or break year.
I have a lot of AAPL stock I never get confused that the stock market isn't manipulated. The only issue is people on this forum believe AAPL is the only one. The entire stock market is manipulated, just trend oil for a while if you want to see real manipulation.
As I stated in my other post, when you are on top a misstep gets more attention. I don't believe anything Apple has done in the past few months has hand any impact on the stock. What I do believe is when you have a President that is seen as anti business, and everytime you turn on the news there is 24x7 talk of a "fiscal cliff" that drives down the entire market, Apple being a victim.
The only point I was making is Google/Apple maps had above average media attention, so someone saying it's just one App in the App Store is incorrect. It may be one App but it has more weight than Angry Birds.
No, it's not a "mixed blessing", it's solely positive, no matter what these shit-filled analysts want to push in order to create controversy and drama. It's simply a secondary high quality option available to users, and now the situation on iOS is both Apple and Google competing to make the best maps possible on the platform, which couldn't be better. For the record I've extensively tested the app, and have no intention of switching to it as my primary mapping app- but its nice to have.
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How do justify this statement? Google has plenty of apps in the App Store and there were 3rd-party mapping apps since the App Store was formed. So long as they follow the rules there is no reason to keep them off the store. Is there even one example where an app wasn't allowed on the store that wasn't violating a rule?
Apple's goal is to sell more devices. Better apps on the iOS than on other platforms helps achieve that goal. I see nothing that would have prevented Google Maps on iOS if Steve Jobs were alive.
Note that Google is inherently untrustworthy, that's because they are interested in selling your data and keeping you as long and as often as possible in 'ad land'. It's comparable to MS first loyalty to companies instead of the customers they sell the software to.
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How do justify this statement? Google has plenty of apps in the App Store and there were 3rd-party mapping apps since the App Store was formed. So long as they follow the rules there is no reason to keep them off the store. Is there even one example where an app wasn't allowed on the store that wasn't violating a rule?
Apple's goal is to sell more devices. Better apps on the iOS than on other platforms helps achieve that goal. I see nothing that would have prevented Google Maps on iOS if Steve Jobs were alive.
I remember some app being rejected "pornography" when it really sold bathing suits or something. I can't remember. That's the only time I remember them apologizing for rejecting an app on bogus grounds
Originally Posted by extremeskater
Also lets face it Steve Jobs would have never…
Let's face it, anyone who uses this in a post when they're not joking has completely invalidated whatever other point they had.
Originally Posted by Rogifan
What Steve Jobs wouldn't have allowed was a native maps app that had Google's branding.
Let's clarify what you mean here. iPhone OS 1-iOS 5's Maps has Google branding.
If that were true, then what makes you believe that other companies aren't doing the same thing with the "switch that does nothing"?
I know it's only anecdotal evidence, but so far, I haven't seen anything bad come of the data Google collects on my browsing habits. Maybe some better targeted ads based on what I've recently searched, but nothing more.
Im sure a lot of companies do lie about not tracking. My browser is set to send the do not track header but after logging into Facebook I get 8 cookies and 10 tracking cookies. Google and Facebook would be 2 of the worst as all their revenue comes from advertising. A wise man once said, when a product is free, you are the product. This is why Android has no licensing fee and the reason for its market share, not cause its good, just freeI love Apple Maps for what it does. Turn-by-turn is clear and practical and hasn't (yet) let me down in the difficult streets of Boston/ Cambridge. I prefer the layout and interface of Apple Maps to Google Maps. I like the Siri/ voice integration.
However, the public transit omission stings. Of the "third party solutions" that Apple has punted to, Google Maps is by far the best and the only way to use it is to be fully kicked out of the Apple Maps application. Street view is also missed (though not quite as much).
These last two points are the reason that I, personally, find myself using Google Maps a lot more than I'd prefer. It's easy to see how, for a lot of people, it makes more sense for them to use Google Maps as a one-stop that does everything they need wrt mapping.
So maybe in some areas it's not good, but traveling in California, Arizona and Nevada - no problems on Apple's MAPS.
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What Steve Jobs wouldn't have allowed was a native maps app that had Google's branding. Makes perfect sense to me considering Google is one of Apple's biggest competitors. It blows my mind that people would expect Apple to allow this.
What makes you believe Google could have offered one with Apple branding?
i think that would still fall under breaking the rules for the App Store, it's just that app vetters were mistaken. It certainly wasn't spiteful.
"mixed blessing" is putting it mildly.
Google Maps is an outright malediction for iOS. I urge Apple fans not to use it.
But I think Apple Maps can eventually succeed to make it irrelevant to iOS users.
Time will tell.
I happen to really like Apple's Maps app. I downloaded Google Maps yesterday to try it out, but it is presently relegated to the last page of apps on my phone and I have no real intention of using it unless absolutely necessary. So far, even before yesterdays release, I have had no need to venture beyond Apple Maps.
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That's why CNet's top smartphone this year is a Samsung....
http://reviews.cnet.com/holiday-gift-guide/top-gifts/
And Samsung Galaxy series has outsold the iPhone 5. Don't put too much weight with what the customer satisfaction surveys say. If they weren't satisfied, they wouldn't continue to sell so many tens of millions.
And Time magazine named iPhone 5 the top gadget of the year. What's your point?
In any case, the cnet review wasn't ranking the phones - just suggesting gifts. The IP5 was also there, with the same ratings, and, if you narrow the category just to smartphones, appears before the SG3.
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Let's face it, anyone who uses this in a post when they're not joking has completely invalidated whatever other point they had.
Let's clarify what you mean here. iPhone OS 1-iOS 5's Maps has Google branding.
Just because you say it doesn't make it true. For years to come people will be saying "if Steve Jobs was alive" and no matter how much you dislike it doesn't change perception.
Members of an enthusiast forum are not an accurate representation of the general public. For those that track Apple on a regular basis if they believe Steve Jobs would have done something differently and the outcome would have been better, perception is reality. Get a clue, people like you acted as if Steve Jobs was a God, guess what God doesn't get replaced for years, if ever.
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I love google maps, however I tested yesterday to go to a meeting that I have for a job and the turn by turn was good but when I got close to the destination, google maps thought that it was in a corner the final destination when in fact was the next corner down and a right. It got me close but not exactly where I was suppose to go.
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Originally Posted by t2000tjt
Google maps turn by turn directions are terrible. I used them last night, and luckily I already knew where I was going, but Google maps had me doing U turns, and all kinds of crazy things.
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Originally Posted by geoadm
Agreed. Google directions in Australia are shocking. It's good to see they have finally entered some previously missing roads but it still directs you down one way roads the wrong way or to drive straight through a dead end.
How dare you suggest that Google is anything but 100% perfect or ever had issues. We all know that Google was birthed full form and issue free some 7 plus years ago and has been that way ever since. You are all liars and should be ashamed of yourselves.
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Originally Posted by island hermit
We didn't have to hear about mapgate before.
Anecdotal evidence tells me that the Apple maps issue, although annoying for some, was overblown by a press/blogosphere that leeches on Apple's blood to gain eyeballs.
Indeed. Folks forget that all mapping services have issues, particularly new ones. But some of the 'issues' aren't really at all. Things like the pin for the Washington Monument being 'at a bus stop' not at the monument is a factor of the 'legal' address being at that spot not in the middle of the park. These things are what were in the data provided, same as the whole two Mildura cities in the official gazetteer and will be tweaked and corrected as needed
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That's why Google maps went to number one downloaded free app within 30 minutes of being released. Ya, the vast majority surely don't care.
Numbers? Without that then it's hard to really count 'doubled', 'number one' etc.
That list adjusts as time goes by so if every other app gets 1-10 downloads during a particular hour and Google Maps gets 11 then it is the top of the list. But it really doesn't mean much.
And ultimately what is the keep rate. A lot of folks will download any app that is free that they are curious about but that doesn't mean they will keep it on their device and use it.
So all this really tells us is that a bunch of folks were curious, not really anything beyond that.
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And the original app was created by Apple, not Google. The only thing Google did was provide the background data. If you want to blame someone for the dumbed down app, blame Apple.
Not exactly. The lack of turn by turn etc was just as much because Google wouldn't provide the data as what was in the app functionality
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Originally Posted by island hermit
Missteps, sure, there have been a few. The Maps apology was the biggest one in my mind... the firings "at this time" being the next... not Maps in and of itself but the introduction was far from smooth.
If you didn't realize it, AAPL is heavily manipulated... I'm guessing by the hedge funds.
... and, yes, the stock will probably drop below $500 before the end of the month, death cross and all... but January's iPad and iPhone figures will easily propel Apple to a record quarter... then AAPL will slowly rise to above $700.
Next year should be interesting for Apple. I believe it is a make or break year.
I have a lot of AAPL stock I never get confused that the stock market isn't manipulated. The only issue is people on this forum believe AAPL is the only one. The entire stock market is manipulated, just trend oil for a while if you want to see real manipulation.
As I stated in my other post, when you are on top a misstep gets more attention. I don't believe anything Apple has done in the past few months has hand any impact on the stock. What I do believe is when you have a President that is seen as anti business, and everytime you turn on the news there is 24x7 talk of a "fiscal cliff" that drives down the entire market, Apple being a victim.
The only point I was making is Google/Apple maps had above average media attention, so someone saying it's just one App in the App Store is incorrect. It may be one App but it has more weight than Angry Birds.
No, it's not a "mixed blessing", it's solely positive, no matter what these shit-filled analysts want to push in order to create controversy and drama. It's simply a secondary high quality option available to users, and now the situation on iOS is both Apple and Google competing to make the best maps possible on the platform, which couldn't be better. For the record I've extensively tested the app, and have no intention of switching to it as my primary mapping app- but its nice to have.
Oh, and **** the stock. **** it up the ass.